/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11664390
because they are literal machines sine anima

>>11664390
theyre not.
Calculating is not math.

>>11664390
lmao i've seen this image before but i've never noticed the eyes.

>>11664390
DAS RACIST

parents

>>11664390
>Digit recall
>Speed of info processing
>Quantitative reasoning

No. Their parents make study a lot more. Different cultures.

>>11664390
Their public education system is actually based and teaches boys at a reasonable rate
You have to basically wait till middle school to start learning algebra in America because it would be racist and sexist to introduce it earlier
Meanwhile Chang is taking pre-calc in 6th grade

and this is?

https://clips.twitch.tv/CrowdedNeighborlyVanillaDBstyle

>>11664390
Largest brain size.

>>11664584
kek

>>11664390
>asian people better at math on average?
they are not. they just study harder and more seriously. that's because of cultural factors but also because of deep racism of which they are well aware. they know it is their only chance at getting out of the shit. similar with joggers and basketball or futbol* in european countries

(* just to trigger americans and euros the same)

>>11664390
not asian but I actually interact with people. All my asian friends were manipulated and forced into academia. "You are worthless in the eyes of whitey if you are not 2x as good as they are" (I have heard this multiple times). Their moms teach them to be insecure unless they are high achievers. Had an asian kid at school that was "good at math" and had top grades who hung himself. I dont buy "race and IQ"

>>11664390
-Dedicated
-Develop earlier (not necessarily a good thing in the long run)

>>11664618
Your example disproves your argument.

>>11664390
>this thread will get saged so whatever
I've posted this on /int/ before, Asian-American communities have phenomenally more resources to succeed in school relative to any other racial group in the US. Asian communities have more tutoring centers per population density than Latino, Black, and even upper middle class White communities, this even goes for the Asian-Americans (most of the time first generation) who are economically dis-positioned. This paired with the testing culture that preceded arrival onto the America mainland, it is no question why Asians have higher grades and test scores than other racial groups.

However, this comes with a consequence. Asian American students are less likely to be a part of clubs and activities outside of academia (sports, charitable organizations, the arts, humanities, etc). Asian American students are also less likely to integrate well into the "non-professional" labor force (blue collar work, retail work, etc). This is just an extension of their dedication to the purely academic route. What first generation Asian-Americans fail to realize is that the US has never been a society which collectively celebrates academia, it has always been a pro-entrepreneurial society, hence why employers and college admissions staff don't consider high grades as first priority when considering employment/admission.

>>11664848
Thinking that you can be an entrepeneur without knowing anything or just business is nonsense.

>>11664390
Asians aren't good at math... they can't building anything that doesn't fall apart and have had zero math discoveries.

>>11664871
>Thinking that you can be an entrepreneur without knowing anything or just business is nonsense.
This exact mindset is a staple in American society. If you go over what is called "flyover country" most American kids in school (with working class parents) do not pursue a formal education and end up learning a trade or some sort of craft to make ends meet. In other words, they don't learn anything in school, and get to immerse themselves into some sort of business (plumbing, landscaping, auto-mechanic, etc).

>>11664871
>>11664913
Also, the definition of an entrepreneur is very important in this instance. Today zoomers believe entrepreneur is equivalent to a future billionaire.

>>11664871
>Thinking that you can be an entrepeneur without knowing anything or just business is nonsense
Being less focused on academic results =/= being ok with knowing nothing

I don't know. Could be genetics. Could be cultural / Environmental. Propaganda and stereotypes could play a role. It's outside my circle of competence.

>>11664926
do they? or is that just what (((marketing))) tells them?

>>11664390
pushy parents, poor weighting of their education system compared to other nations, and their language is better designed for it

>>11664441
based and Asian-pilled

>>11664390
Actually linguistics can explain some of it. The number system of most asian languages is much more intuitive using dot and dash type notation. At early ages this is key to helping children gain confidence in math that snowballs later on. Combined with a cultural impetus on testing above all else you get a lot of Asian kids who are highly proficient in math because if they don't test well they disgrace their family and are sent to go work as a farmer.

There is also the gross overestimation of scores in many asian countries, looking at China and Japan, which gives a false sense that they are more intelligent. When in reality they only test the already known to be intelligent people.

East Asians have actually contributed very little to mathematical history.

anal sex.

>>11664390
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal
nope not many chinks here

>>11664390

Can't speak for any other Asian languages, but the Japanese counting system is more simple eloquent than that of Latin alphabets, in terms of basic arithmetic.

i.e. 'thirteen' is classified/pronounced as 'one-three', 'fourteen' as 'one-four', 1067 as 'one-zero-six-seven', etc.

This early advantage perpetuates over time, as the Japanese student quickly moves onto more advanced concepts.

>>11664390
Fear is a stronger motivator in China, I would say.

>>11664390
>Why are asian people better at math on average?

Well , despite dreaming of leftist idiots who are believing that ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL , genetics clears all doubts - the intelligence is MOSTLY HEREDITARY.

Intelligence in the normal range is a polygenic trait, meaning that it is influenced by more than one gene, specifically over 500 genes.Twin studies of adult individuals have found a heritability of IQ between 57% and 73% with the most recent studies showing heritability for IQ as high as 80% and 86%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270739/

https://www.medgadget.com/2009/03/hardi_scanner_says_intelligence_is_inherited.html

>>11667546
Not quite, Japan borrowed its Kanji counting system from the ancient Chinese, both remain virtually unchanged.
12 is "ten-two" or "juu-ni", 212 is "two-hundred ten-two" or "ni-hyaku juu-ni"
It IS pretty elegant though.

>>11667728
>Intelligence in the normal range is a polygenic trait

Also note that polygenic traits, if they vary at all, tend to vary along racial lines. Monogenic traits can vary quite randomly but it averages out to racial groups, as the largest genetic groups in human poplations, for many individual genes affecting trait at once.

>>11664610
Not a joke. Brain size correlates with IQ at .40 and east asians have both the highest average IQ and brain volume.

>>11667546
By that account the French should be worse at math than their European peers, since they have a fairly convoluted numbering system. But that is certainly not the case.

>>11667764
>Also note that polygenic traits, if they vary at all, tend to vary along racial lines.
>all people of the same race have the same IQ and IQ only varies along racial lines

>>11664558
>>11664584
>>11667728
>>11667784
Asians are more intelligent on average but the history of science and mathematics (really history of anything) is dominated by Europeans. How come?

>>11668976
that's a cherrypicked stat essentially
if you did the same tabulation 1000 years ago, it'd be the islamic caliphate
if you did it 2000 years ago it would be greeks
if you did it 3000 years ago it would be sumerians/egyptians or whoever
and in the modern age east asians are far more active with patents and inventions

>>11669041
>it'd be the islamic caliphate
Stopped reading right there.

>>11664558
That picture is racist and ranks blacks and hispanics consistenly lower. Please delete it.

i think in western countries it's entirely parenting related. also in asian countries the curricular math is much more difficult than western curriculum and their schools are much more strict and less forgiving.

>>11664558
And yet whites (and Jews) built the modern world, and established the technological basis which Asians now benefit from. It seems there's a lack of a lateral thinking and creativity aspect here.

I mean certainly there was a great deal of development in eastern Asia, but it's as though they lacked something that brought them over this certain threshold. They even had access to magnets and explosives long before the rest of the world.

Still, Asians are undoubtedly superior in their construction methods ie "building with nature, not against it". Something which is fading rapidly.

>>11664390
Because they're smarter than Whites.

>>11664390
because it's much easier than communicating with other humans

>>11667546
it sounds like that would be worse because instead of english, where we explicitly state what the remainder would be for different powers of ten, they just state the digits, leaving it to the listener to count the number of zeros or whatever

>>11669395
look i don't know whether you're an expert on architecture or whatever but name a single fucking building in the entire continent of asia and i swear to god i will go fish a turd out of your dads toilet and lick it. protip: you can't because they aren't notable for their architecture

>>11669395
If you're talking about the modern world a hundred years ago then sure. But the modern world right now has an enormous amount of input from Asia. Electronics and mass manufacturing are mainstays of the current era and it's just cherry picking to pretend like these aren't major factors in our lives now.

>>11669544
his general point is that east asians are under resented at the highest level of achievement despite having a higher IQ than europeans due to a lack of individual thinking/creativity. of course there are lots of semiconductor fab plants in east asia and whatnot. it's hard to argue against in good faith actually. check out this paper:

>Why Do Northeast Asians Win So Few Nobel Prizes?

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.2466/04.17.CP.4.15

>>11669544
No, I'm not an expert. I was just looking into their method of construction without nails or pegs, and the way they made their bridges. Many of their buildings used trivially available materials to make structures which lasted a very long time. Whereas in the west it seems rapid building, and infrastructure / supply chain heavy construction was favored, depending on the era. In China you can just go and hack down some bamboo, make a fire and some steam, and then make furniture out of it. Their construction ranged from this to the more ornate.

Many things. You're not understanding what I'm saying.

>>11664390
They're at that level of smartness that's near indistinguishable from autism.

>>11669551
I think this is largely to do with how underdeveloped Asia was just a generation ago. The average Chinese person isn't very wealthy and if they happen to have a gift for maths/science, they're going to channel that into improving their standard of living. That means becoming an engineer or going after other jobs which are perceived as high-paying. This usually means not working in research or academia.

Japan has the highest number of Nobel prize winners in Asia and they're also the most developed. The average person there has a much more comfortable standard of living and can afford to pursue more idealistic careers. It's also why you have a lot of art and music from there as well.

>>11669567
Quoted the wrong post.
>>11669501

>>11669544
Like this Anon stated.
>>11669551

These things all originated in the West. It happens obviously that there's a certain pulse-like flux in information exchange and so on where changing demands etc allows a different culture to see a new use for something. Despite this, to this day, the bulk of the novel discoveries still begin in the west and proliferate from there. I've seen no example to the contrary. In fact they're now even dominated and frankly subjugated by our mode of economic thinking. The same thing happened when they visited Rome and noted many curiosities alien to their way of thinking. whether they'll switch over to a leadership role depends. I think given the deliberate destruction of the west, they probably will regardless of any other factor.

>>11665197
this is pretty true desu. i do all mental calculations and arithmetic in chinese even though i learnt actual problem solving/proofwriting in english

t. asian

Here in the USA there has been a concerted effort to dumb down Americans, everything from vaccines, GMO foods, fluoride and common the core education system are all proven to be dumbing down the USA population. Know the evil you are facing people, if you look to China you will find the masters of the elected here in the USA, selling out their nation for filthy lucre sake, satanic deep state controlled media...

>>11664390
Jews have verbal intelligence. Asians have extremely high spacial intelligence. That's from the SAT tests. And mind you, some think that SAT might not be showing actual Asian's math limit since good chunk are sitting at near 100%. A proper test would show a normal bell curve, instead with SAT math, Asians only rise to the top and don't have a place to fall down to.

>>11666119
racist judges

>>11669358
800-1100 islam was just an afterthought.
After that islam took the center stage and oc the wheels fell off.

>>11669717
Just to be clear, I'm referring to this. All other race has a nice curve. Asians don't have curve, they are at a plateau. A proper curve would place them 100-200 points higher imo.

>>11668976
cause European Jews have been murdering the sciences, just look at all the top physicists, doctors, etc

>>11664390
They're only good at calculating.

There's literally no calculators used in asian schools. I've had to show so many asian international students how to use calculators in first year chem because they have no idea.

>>11668976
Asians lack critical thinking.
They can do calculations quickly but if you give them a calculator and ask them to do something that requires critical thought they're completely stuck.
They're only good as computers, not thinkers.

>>11670023
I've watched some pretty deep animes tho. The lighter skinned Japanese are different probably because they descended from Jews, or perhaps Aryans.

>>11670120
Animes are the outcasts of their society and not a reflection of the whole.

>>11669924
You are looking at the top 5% that moved to the US. You have a low IQ if you don't understand selection bias.

>>11668976

The actual answer is epistemology and scientific method. Without those Europeans would still be using psuedo mysticism logic that was prevalent everywhere else. It's has little to do with raw intelligence because just as you stated Asians had the advantage in that area.

Think about it, what exactly can you do with high intelligence if the thought processes (logic) you are working with is fundamentally faulty? Everybody here seems to be in love with muh IQ (probably because they're unproductive losers with nothing else going for them) but at the end of the day different thought processes dictates how one views the world and it's interactions.

If your thought process of the world is driven by the divine (doesn't matter which religion it is) you will rarely challenge various interactions between animals or the environment. Simply because you would view it as the will of a higher power and then design around that specific view point. That's what the ancient Chinese did when they developed IChing, their architecture and medical acupuncture. All three had good elements to them (binary code, structural symmetry and anatomical mapping) but the fundamental logic underlying it was faulty. Thus why all three are nothing more than cultural ornaments to spectate over today.

>>11670261
>blows his own fingers off
Woops.

>>11664390
chink here, because like the statistics , shit happens and every wave needs Fourier transform

>>11669395
Asians are pretty innovative in the modern world. It depends on what you consider more impressive, building on top of a monolithic giant or building the giant itself.

Japan still pumps out massive amounts of patents
Korea btfo's everyone per capita
A huge part of USA patents is actually asian americans
China is now the number one patent creator - probably because everything is made there now so they have incentive to innovate on products

>>11667546
You're so wrong.

千六十七
せん ろく じゅう なな
sen roku jyuu nana
Literally 1000 67, no different than English. If it were one-zero-six-seven like you thought, it'd be:
一ゼロ六七
いち ゼロ ろく なな
ichi zero roku nana

>>11667546
>the teens have special names
boo hoo
>Japanese counting system is more simple eloquent
Bait or weeaboo who hasn't even read genki?

They aren't. They just get better standard test scores because of their culture/education system. What they're doing is just rote memorization, not critical thinking.

>>11669041
But we still hear and are taught about Euclid, Archimedes, and Newton despite the fact that those people were born centuries away.
Where are the Islamic or East Asian mathematicians or scientists? They don't seem to be relevant or have that much of an impact.

>>11669395
>>11668976
Because they are more conformist. They score highest on social anxiety of any group. They are more collectivist. If you have an idea but are scared to tell people, and your whole society is terrified of change you're not going to invent the car are you?

>>11671075
Also they categorize differently,
see
https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/do-you-think-like-a-westerner/#comment-23151

>>11664390
Unironically down syndrome

>>11664390
Because Asians have genetically evolved to be better abstract thinkers compared to other races.

>>11669041
So what you're saying is that Asian is the new Jew?

>>11664390
Unironically smaru penisu

>>11669041
This is a meme.
>Islamic caliphate
Not true, they were not as inventive as Europe was in this time period (windmills, water mills, maintainable raods, selectively breeding plants, beginning of modern blacksmithing and glasswork)
>Greeks
Maybe if you said the mycean greeks 4000 years ago you'd have a point, but no industrial revolution
>egyptians
Ah yes, all thos influential egyptian inventions

At the end of the day no-one holds a candle to what Europe did post 1700, saying otherwise is just a cope

>>11668976
Because East Asians (excluding Japan) intellectual tradition emphasize passing exams and not actually being innovative. They see study mostly as a way to make money and advance status. Few dare to go further than that. Very self-serving in a way. Koreans are prime example of this

>>11665197
This.

My Psych lecturer when I was doing speech pathology explained why chineses disproportionately perform well in the math section of the IQ quiz because of their language. He asked a chinese kid to count 1-10 as fast as he possibly could and he did it in less 2 seconds.

Apart from that, Asian countries highly emphasise rote learning and with 90% of math being memory recall, it gives an advantage.

>>11667546
>>11665197
>>11671237
As a first gen chink (born in the States to immigrants), I fucking absolutely hated this claim in Gladwell's book. It's almost as terrible as his Langland cope.

I fit every the stereotype to a T, hell I'm doing a math phd for Christ's sake (against my parent's wishes, mind you). Yet I don't speak a lick of Chinese. I shit you not, I have to LITERALLY COUNT ON MY FINGERS whenever my parents start incorporating numbers while they speak in Chinese. It's that foreign to me.
So no, there's not even a subconscious notion of the Chinese language helping me or whatever meme shit Gladwell is putting forth. And besides, it implies that numbers even fucking matter to understand math beyond basic arithmetic.

So why's a chink like me "good at math"? Fuck it if I know. Pushy parents, an inferiority complex, and innate temperament are good places to start looking. All I know is, speaking and thinking in English are not why the average American kid is incompetent at math. After all, most people across every ethnicity are incompetent at math, including my own parents.

>>11670129
Not really, if you look at the the elite private high schools students where Asians dominate them by a wide margin, you'll see that most of their family survive on food stamps/subsidized food. They're mostly poor immigrants and not the richest elite kids from shanghai/beijing.

>>11671045

Ever heard of Algebra?

>>11664390
Big mystery

>>11671624
NOOOO YOU CAN'T STUDY. ITS CHEATING.

>>11671087
My first reaction was A. Thinking analytically though, the answer is more likely B.

>>11669362
They can ranked lower because they're worse at those things. They suffer because they're stupid, they're not stupid because they suffer.

Their school systems are such that most of the heavy duty studying gets done during early life and then difficulty slightly decreases, western schools do the opposite with primary/secundary education being rether easy with the big jump coming in at university/college.

Factor in brain plasticity decreasing over time and you've got yourself an answer.

I think that asian people have more tolerance for doing boring repetitive tasks in general.

>>11664390
The character language they use.