/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11645543
So what's in and what's out? Let's assume (desperately hope) our student has basic arithmetic down.
Algebra, Statistics, Finance/Microeconomics in?
Geometry and Calculus out?
Set theory, number theory, formal logic, proofs, computation?

>>11645543

Have them start with these

>>11645580
I think more emphasis needs to be put on algorithmic problem solving, since computers are such a large part of our lives now

>>11645543

Arithmetic, probability and statistics. This is the essential stuff that everyone needs to know.

They don't need algebra since they won't use it. Takes too long to teach. If necessary, let students take algebra and calculus as an elective.

If you look at this website for example
vhttps://access.openupresources.org/curricula/our6-8math
It seems like middle school maths are mostly just filler.
But maybe it has to do with the fact that maybe a child's brain is not developed enough to understand algebra until the 9th grade maybe.

>>11645914
I'm sorry this does not comply with the "No Child Left Behind" policy. Any curriculum that does not allow everyone to pass must be rejected.

>>11645543
The thing is that school is something that was invented before we had access to the world's knowledge from our pockets. It might not be as necessary as we think in the modern world.

That being said if we insist on keeping school, I believe it should focus on educating the youth on things they'll actually need like for example economics. Beyond that school should be reinvented in such a way where learning institutions are entirely seperate from the institution that creates curriculums and tests. Stundents as individuals should be free to learn in any way they want, whether it be from self study, standard teaching, or through a mentor program.

The only obligation a student should have is to show up at tests, and each student is provided with the curriculum at the start of the semester. As such, students are free to learn however they learn best.

Regular teaching will also take place outdoors to a higher degree, since sitting in an isolated classroom with carbondioxide levels way above the national standard for 7 hours a day is not in any way good for your health.

Also, the wages for teachers should be raised so that it attracts more talent.

>>11645961
So a class on how to use wolfram alpha?

>>11646200
Probability, statistics, as in how to read someone's research paper is necessary? Or how to calculate your Bayesian priors is necessary? Algebra seems fundamental to abstract thinking, but I guess the formal system is not important so much as the ability to understand missing data.

>>11646238
>>11646256
School should be "up or out". That said, you still need to know how to use those tools. And many are not intuitively obvious. Other times you might not even know an answer could be found or such a field of study exists, so an overview for exposure would help. But which areas should we be sure to cover?
(Also the north isn't teaching outside, maybe they need co2 cleaners?)

zoomers are so far behind already because of zoom classes. they should just focus on holocasust and slavry studies

>>11645543
Freshman year: Algebra 1 and Geometry
Sophomore year: Algebra 2 and Probability
Junior year: Precalculus and Statistics
Senior Year: Discrete Math and Mathematical Finance

This can be done by either making each class one semester, or having 2 one year-long classes.
Calculus should be reserved for college, teaching it in high school has caused the quality of calculus teaching to drop a ton.
This is also at the level that everyone could realistically pass, it has both formal math and math able to usefully be applied by everyone, it meets all the requirements of today's curriculum standards while adding interesting areas of math most people never see.

>>11645543
>ITT: We redesign the high school math curriculum to better fit the needs of the modern student.

>>11645543
discord . gg/ukt4Reg

>>11645914
Is there a guide like this that covers computational/applied math and statistics? This is list posted is probably the greatest thing on the internet.

>>11645914
It's all the same shit

>>11646527
Let's say this is for generation alpha.

>>11646557
Why keep geometry? Above an anon ever wanted to do algebra. People need personal finance lessons and society might benefit from them knowing probability and statistics. But a class on informal logic seems way more useful than all of those.

>>11646594
This chart is ridiculous have you even looked at the words?

Wouldn't it be sick if instead of teaching kids how to calculate sales tax they taught them how to do taxes

Hey guys,

I like what you all are doing. I'd to throw this in here and if you guys like it then good. But basically

>be me
>both parents are math majors and engineers
>growing up generally better than kids at my age at math
>always hated school and never got the point
>never explored the philosophical and complex ideas behind the math and formulas
> continue in advanced classes up till calculus
> start having trouble around advanced precalculus
> mad that I am starting to suck despite being naturally good to some extent

I always felt as I started to fall off that there were certain things in my arithmetic that prevented me from truly diving into the world of mathematics. I could do certain complex stuff, but not others just because there was some operations/foundations that I never addressed.

Is there some material that goes over, example by example, increasing complexity of the rules of arithmetic? The less words and more examples the better

If the teachers don't understand it; the students won't either. You're underestimating just how incredibly dumb most high school teachers are. Even the most advanced pupil will falter and lag behind if their teacher is just reading facts from a book that they don't understand themselves.

This discussion about introducing set theory to high schoolers is a quaint one, but pretty futile when the teachers themselves can barely do linear algebra or understand points on a graph. If their curriculum consists of sketching curves by hand, never explaining what curves or numbers mean in the grand scheme of things; then it's just a bunch of chaff that the students reject the second the bell rings. Which is just as well, because that's how the teacher envisions it as well.

If you want better high school classes, I recommend getting real teachers instead of gym instructors with books.

>>11645543
Can we condense the first 8 years into just 2?

>>11647054
>Why keep geometry?
its useful, and a good transition to higher maths

>>11647101
The current situation may change things. Perhaps children distance learning from a more qualified teacher, then in class teachers working as facilitators. Plenty of homeschooling parents know very little maths (and are even scared of it) but still manage to have their children learn advanced maths.

>>11647102
We maybe could, though elementary kids often like memorizing things so it's probably the only chance to get people to memorize multiplication tables and such.

>>11647115
Useful for most people how?

>>11647297
>Useful for most people how?
Physics, higher algebra, linear algebra, calculus, etc.

Modern geometry curriculum has a lot of trigonometry, it's not really compass and ruler constructions anymore, though that's still useful for engineering too.

>>11647392
I majored in physics and I don't use most of those things. How are they going to be useful to most people compared to learning how to understand their mortgage?