/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11643947
>i find the nature of self/my own existence and nonexistence to be more interesting than the nature of the universes existence.
they are the same thing

>>11643958
How? I/my being is separate from the universe and it's existence. Even if the universe didn't exist, there's a chance I still would. We dont know.

>>11643978
and that's what keeps you from seeing the truth
the belief in self

>>11643947
>does it hold up scientifically
no bullshit about the purpose of the universe or ourselves does.

We are nowhere near the level of development for getting remotely scientific answers to these questions. Right now our only real option is to continue elevating out scientific and industrial capabilities in hopes that we someday can answer these questions.

>>11643947
>does a story about the afterlife and soul hold up scientifically?

>>11643978
you are just the end result of the universe, much the same as a star or any other organism. There is nothing unique in you, just one of its many machines but obviously among the most complex. A strong sense of individuality imparted on you for a specific reason prevents you from seeing yourself as anything other than something unique but you aren't.

>>11643978
Ego death. And you don't really exist. No one does. Existence doesn't even exist. Everything we think we know about ourselves and the world around us is false and beyond our comprehension. We do not exist. We only have this strange illusion of being.

>>11644021
Why does the universe exist at all? Why do we? Why does existence exist at all? It's all very strange. Why do we have consciousness? Why are we the way we are? Why is the universe the way it is?

>>11644033
Mathematics, science, logic, philosophy, "human knowledge" will never answer the simplest questions.

>>11644033
From our perspective the universe must exist because otherwise it is impossible to experience anything, and we are machines of perception. We exist only because it is possible to exist and all alternatives to existence are purely theoretical and cannot be experienced in any way.

There is a lot bias built into the brain biologically, its strong concentration on personal identity which is why people marvel at the anthropic principle wondering how is it possible that everything facilitates the fact that we exist so neatly. And yet you're looking at it as the end product of that as if anything else could result in you.

In simpler terms forget about the universe and think about your own self. You can only "exist" and experience as long as you are a brain that is essentially an apparatus made to perceive, so obviously, you do exist. But there is no death, no great sleep or great void or whatever. There can only be existence.

>>11643993
>We are nowhere near the level of development for getting remotely scientific answers to these questions
wrong.... hack
http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

all true OP and here is all the science to prove it in this article.

>>11644066
>But there is no death, no great sleep or great void or whatever. There can only be existence.

After we die, our consciousness ceases to exist. Nonexistence is a state.

>>11644175
Thats just a made up way for you to describe the fact that something was and now isn't. It is meaningless and only there for you to make sense of things.

>>11643980
>the belief in self
This. Self is just an idea, or a mental process thereof.

>>11643947
>>11643978

>>11643947
There's an understanding of causality that goes into this theory which makes for a profound realization of determinism in brainlets; Only to go off the deep end with some Buddhist reincarnation retardation.
In short, yet another example of people trying to fill their "god hole"

>>11643947
The worst amount of time I've ever spent in my life was taking any consciousness, spirituality and religion seriously outside of human interaction.

Long story short
>Some people have brain cells that are over worked by thinking
>Some people have brain cells that enjoy a workout
>People who get overworked enjoy those that workout so lift heavy thoughts or questions
FLEX

>>11643947
The Idea is 100% stolen from an Alan Watts lecture
and it's inspired by Taoist philosophy

>>11644530
wrong rofl, just because that is the only place you know it from doesn't mean that is where it came from. You can read about it in the Hindu, the Greeks, and countless other cultures as it all comes from the science/knowledge that predated all of those philosophies and civilizations

>>11644606
what the fuck are you talking about?
60% of the video is quoting Watts's lecture letter by letter, you must be thinking about something else

>>11644642
>The Idea is 100% stolen from an Alan Watts lecture
Ok you said two different things here both wrong. Just because it was from an Alan Watts lecture according you doesn't mean that is where it comes from, Alan Watts did not invent it and Alan Watts was not Taoist he was Hindu as I said. Also if it was Taoist how the fuck are you gonna say it 100% came from Alan Watts? You are directly contradicting yourself and still wrong on all counts

>>11644654
fuck off, autist

>>11644689
>expecting you to be logically consistent and correct with your assertions is autistic
fuck off schizo

>>11644902
GUYS STOP AND LISTEN TO ME.
YOU DO NOT EXIST. NOR DO I. NOR DOES ANYONE OR ANYTHING. NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS INCLUDING THIS SO CALLED EXISTENCE. NONE OF THIS IS REAL. IT IS FALSE. UNTRUE. YOUR ILLUSION OF BEING IS JUST AN ILLUSION. THIS IS NOTHING. PLEASE UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THIS. DEATH WILL BE THE END OF THIS ILLUSION OF BEING AND EXISTENCE. OUR BRAINS JUST CAN'T COMPREHEND IT.

>>11643947
Every time I hear this story I think of the nutty putty cave guy and how stupidly horrible a way to die that was. I know personally I would never be so much of an idiot as that guy so therefore your theory is garbage and so are you

Individualism is a responsibility so many want but are so unwilling to pay the price for.

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>>11644021
What potentially sets us apart from the rest of the Universe is the fact that we can not only think abstractly, but can also look inwards of the Universe as a whole. The single fact that I can think, therefore I am is a pretty big separation from other things.
>>11644031
I'm real enough to poop in my hand and throw it at your face while I fuck your mom

>>11644190
So what you mean is, there are no consequences for my actions?

>>11645122
Who is this?

>>11645162
/sci/

>>11645152
Yes