/sci/ - Science & Math

>HLS recap, to scale

Can spacecraft use ground effect to break?

>>11641109
things we know about the Dynetics lander so far:
it's cryogenic and uses drop tanks
it's personally my favorite lander of the bunch, but it's not suitable for building a moonbase, you just use it to do crew rotations on your moonbase
for comparison, a single cargo Starship can deliver double digit round trips worth of drop tanks and fuel to Gateway for the Dynetics lander, which I think is fantastic
>>11641113
no

KSP2 /sfg/ nations server when?

>>11641121
>everyone just nukes each other

>>11641121
KSP 2 has kind of just dropped off the radar recently...

>>11641185
They put out job offers recently, which doesn't bode well

what's the testing plan today for Sn4

>>11640866
>>11641003
Once I had to go back into the archive to find the old thread so I could link to it when I started the new thread

>>11641196
source?

>>11641209
Seems there's not much activity now, so maybe we'll get prop loading much earlier?

Tom cruise will be shooting a movie on the ISS it seems.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/05/nasa-confirms-tom-cruise-is-suiting-up-to-make-movie-in-space

I’m sorry for posting a nypost article but I actually good news sources haven’t had the time to write an article on it. The link doesn’t tell much besides the fact the brindeinstin (or however you spell it) confirmed on his twitter.

>>11641209
Road closure from 9 pm to 6 am. Static fire very possible.

Robotic swarm tower sticks into the ground, mines all nearby valuable material and builds a large, functional base from it
I’m telling you, this could work

>>11641321
you're thinking of the backstory to half life 2

the condom inflates to 3x the original cross-section, not bad for a small vehicle

>>11641185
Well the devs and publishers don't seem to be hyping the game all that much. There was only one trailer.

>>11641333
Not that small either, for a test flight. HIAD test article was 3.7m when inflated, Lavochkin's NTU (IRDT) was 3.8m.

>>11641185
theres an interview with scott manley in which he asks about lagrange point and the dev like goes nervous and say "noo, ok, we cant put those because the kerbol system wouldnt be stable".

that scott manley is a son of a bitch, pay attention to his videos and interviews, pay close attention, he will ALWAYS manage to say something agresive to or about whatever or whomever his talking about, always, and if you see his body expression youll notice that he loves it deeply, never cross that man im telling you.

>>11641216
Sorry for late
https://boards.greenhouse.io/taketwo/jobs/2138876

>>11641333
what a stupid fucking language. Really hope they don't win WW3. You'd see people join the resistance just so they don't have to memorize 5000 scribbles.

>NASA and its partners from around the world are building a moonbase with a "no chinks allowed" sign on it like Calvin's tree fort
This fills me with great joy.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/may/05/trump-mining-moon-us-artemis-accords
>The Trump administration is drafting a legal blueprint for mining on the moon

>The Artemis Accords, named after the Nasa’s new Artemis moon program, propose “safety zones” that would surround future moon bases to prevent damage or interference from rival countries or companies operating in close proximity.

>The United States is a member of the 1967 Outer Space Treaty and sees the “safety zones” as an implementation of one of its highly debated articles. It states that celestial bodies and the moon are “not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means.”

>In the coming weeks, US officials plan to formally negotiate the accords with space partners such as Canada, Japan, and European countries, as well as the United Arab Emirates, opening talks with countries the Trump administration sees as having “like-minded” interests in lunar mining.

>The Artemis Accords are part of the Trump administration’s plan to forgo the treaty process at the United Nations and instead reach agreement with “like-minded nations”, partly because a treaty process would take too long and working with non-spacefaring states would be unproductive, a senior administration official told Reuters.

>>11641428
so will I finally get to plink corpo fucks that creep too close to my moon regolith open pit mine with my sks?
What about low orbit satellites?

>>11641422
I wonder how russian module will get there.
They will have to pay for one of the US heavy lift rocket, like Falcon Heavy?

>>11641428
>a treaty process would take too long and working with non-spacefaring states would be unproductive
Literally the "come up here and fight about it fgt, OH WAIT YOU CAN'T" meme, but he's the President. God bless him.

>>11641443
Hey, we launched enough astronauts on Soyuz and bought enough RD-180s over the years. I can see it.

>>11641442
>“This isn’t some territorial claim,” said one source, who requested anonymity to discuss the agreement. The safety zones, whose size would vary depending on the operation, would allow for coordination between space actors without technically claiming territory as sovereign, he said.

>“The idea is if you are going to be coming near someone’s operations, and they’ve declared safety zones around it, then you need to reach out to them in advance, consult and figure out how you can do that safely for everyone.”

>>11641449
So it's like owning land, but you call it something else?

>>11641449
that's some really roundabout wording to say "yes we're creating territories"

>>11641449
I feel like the people who drafted this don't really understand how space works or what a "safe distance" would actually entail
>>11641452
yeah, I guess it's just a stopgap to not slow down progress while the outer space treaty is renegotiated

>>11641452
Trump is a real estate developer by trade. He has a lifetime of experience of following the letter of the law around building and land ownership while spitting in the eyes of the spirit. If anyone complains we'll probably just leave the Outer Space Treaty.

>>11641406
China's military is pathetic, their hardware is either garbage or ancient. The country will also splinter immediately in the case of large-scale war. Hong Kong and Taiwan would more or less volunteer themselves as forward bases for people looking to subdue China (the US and allies), and China's forces would not be able to prevent that from happening.

>>11641459
I wish this were still true

t. /k/

>>11641442
It all about keeping China and Russia away from the Moon.
Basically, you put a base on Lunar South Pole and tell chinks and ruskies to fuck off because they are not part of Artemis Accords.

>>11641442
>soon you would be able to defend your lunar property using a flare gun repurposed to be a gyrojet launcher
Best timeline.

https://youtu.be/TwSfIMWSG7E
SN4 static fire in just a few minutes! SpaceX filming drone flying

4-ish minutes

>>11641462
t. chinkshill
every single branch of the chinese military is unproven and their development efforts are almost entirely based on stealing and reverse engineering instead of innovating.

>>11641462
>t. Chinese shill from /k/

>>11641471
>tfw can't watch because internet is shitting its pants
REEEEEE

>>11641449
It’s like maritime law then.

>>11641471
>this is rocket voodoo

>>11641471
WE HAVE A GOOD STATIC FIRE

>>11641475
>>11641477
Here's the issue.

Chinese equipment is inferior to American equipment in basically every category.

Our tanks can beat their tanks, our planes can beat their planes, so on.

The problem is, in order for us to fight them, we need to be able to get men, equipment, and cargo into the theater.

They've spent all of their money on ballistic missiles in order to make it harder for us to do that.

So at the outset of a war, they hit all our ports and airbases with DF-15s, DF-21s, and DF-26s. Probably blow up some expensive shit in the process. And they just keep pegging US bases in the region over and over again to slow down the US reaction.

Meanwhile, our naval forces are dealing with ballistic anti-ship missiles, diesel subs, and mines. Not enough to win outright, but enough to bloody us and slow us down.

So we could probably win over the long term, but it would take a long-ass time, and kill a lot of Americans.

BRAAAAAAAAPPPPPPP

>>11641471
BRRRRRAAAAP

>>11641484
>SovCits in space with Moonbase Alpha TTS
Oh fuck.

she's still standing

What was that a 5 second burn? I hope we get some close up footage

very nice

>>11641497
implying WW3 will be fought with tanks and planes
I went through a bunch of defense contracts the other day and everything was about drone swarms, counter swarms, drone facial recognition, autonomous drones, etc

BOING ON SUICIDE WATCH

So, when is this tin can flying?

>>11641520
>a contender for a NASA moon lander contract did a static fire test less than a week after contract award
IT ALL COMES BOEINGLING DOWN

>>11641497
Using ballistic missiles that are hypothesized to be nuclear capable would be basically suicide.

>>11641497
The minute we see multiple inbound ballistics from chink launch points we're glassing Beijing.

>>11641524
And blue origin is doing fine too.
Niggas we moving to space. Start saving now!

feels good man

von braun would be proud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39AuRjJ0Gfs

>>11641513
>implying WW3 will be fought with tanks and planes

>implying it won't

Nobody is automating air to air combat and air to ground in hostile airspace, because that shit is complicated, and the planes are expensive, and nobody wants to let an AI fuck it up.

WW3 will be F-35s vs Chinese fighters and IADS, plus a lot of missiles.

Like, a lot a lot of missiles.

DF-15s smothering anything nearby in cluster munitions, DF-21s and DF-26s hitting bases in the region, DF-21D and DF-26D trying to kill carriers, Tomahawks trying to nail Chinese IADS and C2 sites, LRASM trying to sink Chinese ships, Taiwanese AShMs trying to hold off the Chinese invasion fleet.

Really, more missiles than anything else.

Keep the americoping and chink shilling space flight related.

>>11641527
>>11641533
It's easy to tell tactical ballistic missiles from ICBMs.

We aren't launching a nuclear strike unless they actually use their theater missiles to launch nukes, or if there are ICBMs headed towards the US.

>>11641534
>And blue origin is doing fine too.
Amazon is certainly hiring for Project Kuiper (satellite ISP) like they expect to have New Glenn available.

https://www.amazon.jobs/en/search?base_query=kuiper&loc_query=

>>11641543
Hopefully New Glenn turns out to be good after years of hushed development. There needs to be a second reusable rocket company.

>>11641542
IRBMs and ICBMs are both nuclear threats and where else would they be aiming DF-26's than american soil?

>>11641549
>IRBMs and ICBMs are both nuclear threats

Not if we know a decent amount about their nuclear arsenal and doctrine and know they don't have enough warheads to ever benefit from a nuclear first strike.

>where else would they be aiming DF-26's than american soil

Guam and Okinawa.

The DF-26 is actually known colloquially as the Guam killer for this exact reason.

>>11641543
And bezos is into O’Neil cylinders too.
God I’m so excited for the future.

>>11641546
This.

As much as I like SpaceX for their meme value, a pure monopoly in the market wouldn't be good.

>>11641555
We're finally gonna make it.

Everyday’s astronaut next video is on sustainable space exploration. Tim said that it’s almost ready at the end of the starship vs sls video. Anyone here is in his patreon and can tell us when it’s coming out?

>>11641536
Jesus, ferry was fucking insane, pure hypergolics for every goddamn stage.
>Imagine the NTO smelle

>>11641449
lol it's territorial claims and I love it

THE MOON IS AMERICAN CLAY

>>11641554
You don't consider Guam US territory?
Though I suppose you meant US mainland in your original post.

>>11641593
Americans think Alaska is in Canada and Puerto Rico is in Mexico.

>>11641589
THAT'S RIGHT

Musk's latest tweet about JD made me lose all respect for him.
Hey at least the SpaceX engineers are doing good

>>11641449
This sounds like the 5km safety zone around the ISS.

lol Elon's new avatar is an A-12

>>11641599
Caring about the people and not about the technology is a trap(of the bad kind).

>>11641599
lol how so

>>11641475
So mao's rag tag band of 180,000 volunteers with small arms beat the US led UN force (230,000) how exactly?

Come on now you know you're retarded. China would bury you.

>>11641593
if it's not the mainland it doesn't matter
Guam is expendable

>when the tin can is still in one piece

>>11641608
So I realised

>>11641593
That or Hawaii.

We might get rustled if somebody launches a missile at Hawaii.

>>11641536
>we could've had reusable rockets as early as 1955

>>11641625
J U S T

>>11641587
dose ISP numbers doe

>Tom Cruise filming an action movie on he ISS
>Trump pushing the Artemis Accords to create space colonies
>SN4 static fire
>Chinese condom launch
What a wild day in space news.

>>11641628
we let him down, we owe it to VB to put the hammer down and open the Eternal Frontier.

>>11641449
As another Anon pointed out, it sounds like "ship domain" as is the case in naval operations. All ships have a zone around them defined by their hull dimensions and speed in which collisions are possible, it is expected that ships stay at least as far apart as the boundaries of their domains so they can't possibly collide, unless there is some extenuating circumstance. The same goes for oil rigs and other offshore structures, which usually have a 2-500m safety zone which ships must enter at dramatically reduced speed and according to a plan. It does make sense for space stations and ships, since there's even less margin for error in space compared to at sea, any significant damage to a spaceship will be a major incident until there are much larger supply outposts in space. This is doubly true for spaceships meant to reenter Earth's atmosphere, who can't really afford any significant damage at all.

>>11641628

>>11641615
>>11641628
One of the most based men to ever enter into the domain of spaceflight. It's not every day you get someone so talented they actually make government projects work properly for a time.

>>11641636
Hahahaha, oh, you've made me sad now.

We all know by now how he is with Elon on Twitter, but what if he's got it right and is better at networking than any of us ever will be?

>>11641652
i think twitter algos probably just put this moran at the top of elons feed with how often he tweets at him & gets a reply

>>11641630
Yup, quite a based day indeed. Loving this timeline so far.

>>11641652
Musk was wearing his raptor shirt once right? I think musk is kind of happy to get interviews about rocket shit, he genuinely likes it and wants to be known for the actual rocket stuff he does. Everyday Astronaut is a conduit for that. I'm sure EDA does it for personal benefit as well but Elon could just ignore it but he doesn't. Spergs love talking about what they sperg about.

"This person is wrong. Why does JD want to believe he got cucked so bad anyway!?"

Elon Musk is 4Chan material he calls other people cucks

>>11641599
To be fair, Johnny Depp is trying to drag him into court to testify against Amber Heard's alleged infidelity. He basically wants Elon to publicly admit he cucked him and his fans are forcing the issue.
>>11641608
>trap(of the bad kind).
Yikes. All traps are bad and also very gay.

>>11641665
>To be fair, Johnny Depp is trying to drag him into court to testify against Amber Heard's alleged infidelity

What possible legal relevance is there to whether or not they fucked? Who cares?

>>11641652
He probably is.

>>11641665
>All traps are bad and also very gay.
Wrong board flat earther >>>/x/

Obsessed
>>11641671
Probably divorce shit. Elon keeps delivering with random tweets. Imagine being his kid and seeing this lol.

>>11641671
Hollywood's entire social credit score is based on who fucked who and when. When they want to bring someone down, their first approach is to claim that so and so fucked so and so when it wasn't okay to do it.

>>11641660
>>11641652
I think Tim’s videos are pretty good. The fact that he is set taught is cool too.

>11641679
Twitter trends are so manipulated it's a joke.

>>11641671
I think it had more to do with the divorce lawsuit that has now been settled than the upcoming libel lawsuit but I don't follow this bullshit enough to know if Johnny himself is still trying to force the issue or if it's purely the work of his fans.
>>11641675
Space is real, traps are really fucking gay and a waste of space.

>>11641679
>Probably divorce shit.

They’ve been divorced for years now.

> Imagine being his kid and seeing this lol.

I’d be pretty proud if my dad cucked movie stars.

>>11641628
He didn't expect a certain population to fuck up the world even further.

>>11641663
>Spergs love talking about what they sperg about.
Sperglord here, I can confirm. Don't mistake people like me (or Elon) for the faggots who unironically call normalfaggots "neurotypicals", they're the kids that would correct you if you use simple words instead of stupidly complex words to jerk their ego off.

>>11641692
Depp got some new audio recordings of her admitting to abusing him so he's trying (and succeeding) to ruin her life now

>>11641671
you can nullify alimony that way

>>11641699
Yep. Elon gets bombarded with dozens of bullshit questions about dumb normie shit and then EDA asks him something about Raptor performance tuning and they're off to the races.

>>11641692
>be Elon's kid
>look up your family's history
>watch pirates of the Caribbean with mom and dad
>see Johnny Depp
>dad starts laughing
>time passes
>look up various actors
>find that your dad, the man who's singlehandedly revived spaceflight, cucked the main character from the movie you watched as a kid
>yfw you ended up the son of an absolute legend

>>11641713
I wish I could be even a hundredth of that level of based.

>>11641694
Infinitely based space weedman.

>>11641680
That’s pretty dumb, but I have no concept of fidelity so I wouldn’t know. A little sex seems to make people mad like nothing else.

>>11641298
That ain’t gonna happen, iss is tiny nor could it handle the 5 people or whatever you would take to film it

>>11641721
That's because your a degenerate Anon, don't feel too bad though it's not your fault really, your authority figures simply failed miserably to instill any sense of loyalty in you.

>>11641725
it's not unprecedented—there have been tourists to the ISS before and they don't really need 5 people, just Cruise and a dude with a camera and they dub over all the sound in post. You don't NEED a huge crew of people to shoot a movie with a digital camera.

>>11641725
>inb4 Tom Cruise uses his Scientology money to get more modules for the ISS just so he can shoot his movie

>>11641709
I don't really know EDA himself, but I'm wondering if he's even really a bugman. I mean, he does take at least adequate care of himself, knows what he's talking about without coming off as overly smug and full of estrogen, and he doesn't mindlessly consume (((product))).(AFAIK)
Perhaps he too is a sperg, and that's why he and Elon get along so well.

>>11641740
I think part of it is an affectation to be more approachable to his bugman audience, but he is in fact a good old fashioned dweeb.

>>11641733
Actually, monogamy is degeneracy. It’s a perversion of our ancestral bonobo-tier orgy lifestyle, which was revealed through DNA sequencing a few years ago.

>>11641628
You’d honestly be delusional to think that, it would be the same as thinking the fucking SLS leads to anything other than some meme landings

Nothing was reusable in the Apollo missions, nothing reduced in costs, the only way to do more is to spend more, which wasn’t happening

>>11641745
>ywn reintroduce orgies on the moon

>>11641745
you write like such a fucking retard
I recognize your posts every time because you have such a distinct lack of intellect that permeates every single one of them

>>11641745
Yet the most advanced technology came from periods with monogamy. Then again, Elon seems to be handling multiple wives pretty well. Guess that's the key, multiple wives, one man.
However, some long nosed villagers want the opposite to happen so men have no control over themselves.

>>11641753
>you write like such a fucking retard

Why so mad?

>>11641752
>ywn

Don’t think like that, anon.

>>11641745
I only see human satellites in the night sky you fucking deviant, when the Bonobos start sending up rockets I might start to respect their way of life a bit more.

>>11641766
He's probably a jew that's wanting us to act primitive so he can rule us.

>>11641735
You need something like a director, you need other people because what sorta action movie is this without other people or the romantic interest
You need a makeup and props person.

It’s not just two guys with a camera

>>11641754
>Yet the most advanced technology came from periods with monogamy

They also came at the same time Venezuelan turtle-birds migrated to Nebraska. Correlations are fun.

> Then again, Elon seems to be handling multiple wives pretty well. Guess that's the key, multiple wives, one man.

The human genome showcases a long history of polygyny. Most men are simply not desirable when stripped of monogamy-enforcing social traditions, and you can look at all the young incels if you want evidence of that.

>>11641778
>Venezuelan turtle-birds migrated to Nebraska. Correlations are fun.
The fuck's your point?
Nice strawman, Goldstein.

>>11641771
Depends on the story. It may just end up being a 15 minute segment that just requires minimal crew. And if this happens during a crew swap, there's probably 5 other NASA astronauts onboard that can help out during their free time.

>>11641782
>The fuck's your point?

That’s a correlation, not a causation.

>>11641778
Monogamy IS a technology. It's pussy rationing to guarantee that men don't check out of society and go fishing all day instead of contributing their mental and physical labor to society. The breakdown in monogamy thus inevitably led to today's NEETs and MGTOWs.

>>11641766
>I only see human satellites in the night sky you fucking deviant

Yeah, and humans are already pretty close to bonobos behavior-wise. The stars themselves will one day shudder with orgasmic pleasure as we birth Slaanesh into the world.

>>11641788
>The breakdown in monogamy thus inevitably led to today's NEETs and MGTOWs.

It is inevitable that men exist who don’t make the cut. Why inconvenience the lions by forcing them to share their food with weasels?

>China successfully testing Moon spacecraft

Well, it's over, folks, China is beating US in space.

>>11641796
Just because it can conceivably go there doesn’t mean it will.

>>11641796
The Orion has already been tested. It's waiting on SLS to get its decade in the making leak fixed.

>>11641793
>It is inevitable that men exist who don’t make the cut. Why inconvenience the lions by forcing them to share their food with weasels?

Because the weasels will outnumber the lions, get violent, and murder the existing society as soon as someone promises them something better in exchange for providing manpower for their revolution.

>>11641803
Yep, this was the same kind of test that the Orion did, only the Orion is waiting for the SLS, whereas the Chinese spacecraft already has a rocket ready.

>>11641815
>whereas the Chinese spacecraft already has a rocket ready.
Their Long March 9 is ready?

>>11641801
>2 years later
And just because they can go to moon doesn't mean we can't go there either.

>10 years later
And just because they colonized the moon and mars, doesn't mean we can't either in 50 years

>50 years later
And just because China now owns the entire solar system, doesn't mean we can't go to the moon in 100 years.

>>11641810
>Because the weasels will outnumber the lions, get violent, and murder the existing society

Anon the beta uprising is a joke, not a serious idea.

>>11641820
You greatly overestimate China’s ability to achieve anything.

https://www.space.com/jupiter-moon-europa-chaos-terrain-detailed-photos.html

Europa when?

>>11641820

>>11641819
That's for Lunar launches?

>>11641834
IIRC LM9 is China's equivalent of SLS.

>>11641803
No it wasn't. It wasn't the full MPCV in 2014 but a fairly bare prototype, just like this chinese spacecraft. By the way it took them 5 years to make it to this test from the concept, whereas the MPCV is a repurposed/downgraded CEV and arguably took about 8 years.

>>11641815
They don't have a rocket, and won't have it for a long time. They can launch this spacecraft to LEO, but this is a lunar vehicle.

>>11641827
>50 years ago when China was breaking relations with Soviets and US wanted to court em
>Thinktank: China can potentially become our natural rival and replace the US as the sole power
>You greatly overestimate China’s ability to achieve anything, American #1. China will collapse.


>30 years ago after Soviet collapse and China remains the sole Communist power
>Thinktank: If we give the money, resources, access to world trade, there's a chance they will become an even more authoritarian country that we can not contain
>You greatly overestimate China’s ability to achieve anything, American #1. China will collapse.


>10 years ago, after the collapse of world economy
>Thinktank: China is using the collapse to build their military assets and infrastructure necessary to fight a war against the US
>You greatly overestimate China’s ability to achieve anything, American #1. China will collapse.


>5 years ago after China passed the US as world's largest economy
>Thinktank: War is built on economies, stronger economy wins out. China has now surpassed the US.
>You greatly overestimate China’s ability to achieve anything, they only surpassed PPP, American still #1. China will collapse.

>Today after world economy is collapsed due to China virus
>Thinktank: China will overtake American military/economy/scientific output in 10-20 years by absolutely
>You greatly overestimate China’s ability to achieve anything, American still #1 today. China will collapse.

All I see is heads ducked under the sand for the last 50 years or so of short sighted strategic decisions.

Wow, Orion capsule is pretty huge. It makes the Mark 3 command pod from KSP like tiny. They need bigger command modules in KSP2 because even the Apollo module was bigger than that

>>11641862
>Wow, Orion capsule is pretty huge.
It has to be to justify the SLS existing.

>>11641863
Dragon 2 has a four meter diameter whereas the Mark 3 command module is just 2.5 meters. Orion is even bigger at five meters. Guess you can fit a lot of people in there....

>>11641860
Based, China will take everyone else with them if they continue to grow and attach themselves to every other country economically. The nations of the world would serve themselves well if they rose up and struck China back down to third world failed state tier.

>>11641845
>They don't have a rocket, and won't have it for a long time. They can launch this spacecraft to LEO, but this is a lunar vehicle.
It's going to transport people to the new space station? There's a LEO version and a Lunar version.

>>11641860
Also, McArthur was right. We should have nuked China when we had the chance to solve the future communist problem.

>>11641879
The versions are just configurations with different modules as I understand it. The capsule is the same.

>>11641860
>meanwhile back in reality

Starship should launch nuclear reactors

>>11641870
well, humans are just under 2 meters tall, and kerbals are three quarters of a meter tall

>>11641860
>>11641894
China in its current sociopolitical form must die for the benefit of humanity. We need a US president to draw some arbitrary line in the sand- something regarding military action in the South China Sea would work- and wait for China to inevitably cross it. Then, actually respond to the violation with force, unlike all those times the US has talked tough about DPRK missile tests but done nothing. If China retaliates, you push onward into war. If they back off, you draw the restrictions tighter and wait for them to try something again. Eventually, you deal with the China Problem outright. The country is balkanized and you invest diplomatically and economically in key areas like Shenzhen.

>>11641920
>The country is balkanized and you invest diplomatically and economically in key areas like Shenzhen
That's basically how we got here now. Kill all of them. No exceptions.

>>11641925
That's not at all how we got here, you moron

>>11641862
>Fully fuelled Orion is 25 tons
>Orion + LES is 33
What the fuck were they thinking?

>>11641821
>Anon the beta uprising is a joke, not a serious idea.
It's not the betas who drive the uprising in any visible manner. You end up with a lot of social discontent when you have shittons of young men who can't get laid.

>>11641913
*bombs at china

>>11641938
> You end up with a lot of social discontent when you have shittons of young men who can't get laid.

Those are the betas. Anyone can fuck if they make an effort to fuck, so the problem lies with psychological ennui of the non-fuckers.

>>11641937
I like lobbing big things into space, but I’m not sure there’s any utility to the larger scale in the context of the intended uses of Orion, but maybe I’m wrong.

>>11641920
>>11641925
fear of the chink rising is palpable

SN4 static fire test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp2oaguCzN8

good shit

>>11641694
What's funny is Elon is saying that BILLIONAIRES own the press and these goobers jumped straight to Jews. The context of the conversation is not at all about Jews. Blue check mark twitter are hilariously stupid.

>>11642106
News sites are just another business like McDonald’s. Why they are attributed some magical significance, I don’t know.

>>11641740
Man people are so hateful about tim, i don't get it

>never talks politics
>makes content-heavy videos that involve in depth research
>highly skilled photographer

>>11642035
Thank God I can finally fucking COOM

>>11641796
bruh, china's earliest human missions are in the 2030s. We are MILES ahead.

>>11642035
So when is the first real flight?

>>11641428
>as well as the United Arab Emirates
I thought space was haram?

>>11641611
You left out like a million angry chinks and a bunch of jet airplanes and artillery, but ok

>>11642117
Think of how a show for very young children might grate on you as an adult. The overacting, the presentation that you might perceive as condescension, etc. It's not a perfect analogy but he used to be kind of like that. He's gotten much, much better in the past two years though. He doesn't wear the flight suit constantly (even he now thinks that was dumb), his presentation style has matured a lot, and he (generally) no longer acts like a furby on meth. People are slow to forget Cringemeister Dodd, and any hint of that in current material just sets people off because they like being mad.

>>11641793
Because there aren't enough lions to maintain civilization. If you can't focus the productive potential of weasels towards the betterment of the group you end up with the "natural" state which is lions spending their effort protecting their harem and weasels spending their effort fighting lions.

Civilizations practicing monogamy is a human universal for a reason.

>>11642157
>Civilizations practicing monogamy is a human universal for a reason.

You must be an alien, because that is not Earth you are describing.

> Because there aren't enough lions to maintain civilization

Not at its present numbers, which is fine. The weasels will die without children and their inferior genetic makeup will cease to be expressed in the population, leaving only lions. Such is natural selection.

Did he actually name his kid X AE A-12? Hilarious if true.

>>11642176
Yes.

>This person is wrong. Why does JD want to believe he got cucked so bad anyway!?

My fucking sides what a madlad

>>11642179
lmao wtf

>>11642127
Why? There has been many muslims on visits to the ISS.

>>11641428
>>11641442
>>11641469
>>11641470

Holy Shit Let's Go!

>>11641615
>>11641628
BELIEVE

Are there any asteroids that are close to earth, rich in metals, and able to fit in the starship cargo bay? Asteroid mining could be a gold rush that could fund space exploration for years but very hard to get started. Would it be easier to bring small asteroids back to earth whole?

>>11642106
even if it is Jews he would still be correct

>>11642229
asteroids don't stick around earth
even the ones that share our orbit around the sun get flung out into heliocentric orbits by the moon relatively quickly
and our telescopes aren't good enough to spot objects that small

>>11642127
The UAE is sending a probe to Mars this year. Finally using that oil money for something interesting.
https://www.mbrsc.ae/emirates-mars-mission

>>11642217
Get that retard out of that picture and fuck off back to /ptg/ you fucking boomer rebbit refugee.

>>11641536
Beautiful.

>>11642127
Arabsat 6a, a big geosync comms bird for the UAE with a ha(ra)m radio repeater, was the first Falcon Heavy mission for a paying customer.

>>11642250
Go back to Discord.

>>11642237
Lander?

>>11642273
>if u no like my zionist puppet u r discord tranny
>haha libs owned

>>11642250
Seethe

>>11642285
Yes I'm seething that I voted for a populist who was going to close the border, drain the swamp, pull out of wars, etc... and has done none of those things but sucks bibis dick incessantly and whines that the mean democrats won't let him do anything while ignoring his vast suite of presidential powers to do those things.

>>11642287
go cry about le trump somewhere else

>>11642292
go post your cringe /ptg/ memes somewhere else

>>11642142
Some of his scripting is a bit corny, like the 'Did I mention I'm a hick from Iowa?' lines in the last video. I did like the tractor he posted though, quite taken with those triangular tank tracks.

RIP chinese condom
http://www.cmse.gov.cn/xwzx/zhxw/202005/t20200506_46489.html

>>11641533
>inb4 SpaceX makes an orbital-class vault to save elon-chan

>>11642275
Just an orbiter

>>11642354
it had one job

>>11642117
>In-depth research
>aka copypasting what his discord feeds him

That being said I do appreciate the lack of politics even though he is pic related incarnate. Seriously he just needs to ditch the shit attempt at facial hair and look presentable.

>>11642371
We're now all pregnant with space sperm

>>11642375
if that's the kind where the baby hatches out of your butt, I'm out
not going through that again

>>11641608
the patrician's taste

>>11641369
I saw Scott Manley at a grocery store in New Mexico yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

>>11642354
>Anomaly

Boing BTFO

>>11642418
>(((MAYBE)))

kek

>>11642418
WHEN I SAY BOING YOU SAY BTFO

BOING

>>11642449
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>11642449
BTFO

>>11642460
Are you a Boing employee being devoured by flames perhaps?

>>11641406
If you know the writing you don't need to know the language, they're separate which was the reason their bureaucracy existed for 3000 years.

>>11642460
>NOO THIS WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN BOING BROS, FUCKING ELON REEE

>>11642477
>>11642501
I HATE ALL OF YOU MEMEX FAGGOTS
WHERE IS MY SNIPER?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Starlink for Alaska

>>11641494
>>11641498
>>11641499
yay

>>11642418
inb4 Congress passes a law making it illegal for NASA to use non-SLS/Orion rides to the Moon

>>11642528
The sniper has been taken care of. You thought we hired Tom Cruise just for show?

>>11642563
Better not if they want to be there before chinks.

>>11642542
I didn't know they were going that high up?

>>11642564

>>11641819
The Russians had a rocket ready too.
It didn't fly so good.

>>11642564
>>11642570
And now you are making movie with him in space
REEEEEEE

>>11642542
>tfw New Mexico
kek

I didn't know there was a community run map of all the Starlink ground stations.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1H1x8jZs8vfjy60TvKgpbYs_grargieVw

>>11642610
are you not entertained?

>>11642390
kek

>>11642354
>>11642418
Man, today is looking like it's gonna be just as interesting as yesterday

>>11642571
Bane?

>>11642665
So, 2-3 more stations in Alaska for full coverage and 1-2 more in that little uncovered area in the middle of the US, and service for most of US can begin in full.

>>11642774
I don't imagine they're actually covered with launches at this point either... probably a few more to go (and waiting for them to raise orbit)

>>11642565
The chinks being there could guarantee sls funding for a decade!
If it weren't for the commercial side projects draining away all the money we could have been on the Moon already.

>>11641629
What are it’s ISP numbers?

>>11642964
35 at sea level 51 in vacuum

>>11643025
How does it compare to other hyperbolic-fuelled engines? Also NERVA?

Mars aristocracy will be autistic retards but they will be our autistic retards.

>>11642566
Full Alaska coverage was requested by the FCC as part of the approval process.

>>11643025
>>11643040
that can't be right, the typical isp for hypergolic engines is around 300 in vacuum, and nerva is 840

>>11643056
did they really fucking name their child that?

>>11643067
Yep. I’ve only used the names of gods.

>>11643067
what's in a name?

>>11643056
oh, you can just call him Archie. That's not too bad.

>>11642418
>NASA awards Artemis lander contracts
>Starship static fire tests a week later
>the next day NASA says "hey guys maybe SLS isn't the path forward"
And Congress isn't in session so Shelby can't do anything.

>>11643079
I hope Jimmy is taking this opportunity to put down several impenetrable layers of bureaucracy between congress and canceling Artemis

>11642287
Go away Shareblue.

>>11643067
Probably not.
If it's true I can see him killing off his parents when he grows up.

>>11643084
Not the least of which is the veto pen.
>pic
As cool as the ISS cupola is I can't wait to see the view out the window from larger habs in orbit or the lunar surface.

>>11643092
to be fair it's not worse than Blanket. At least it's interpretive so he can basically go by whatever he wants.

>>11638735
RIP

>>11643092
>noooo you can only name your child a name present on the party-approved list of fifty patriotic names noooooo

>>11643092
Just like my Korean cartoons!

>>11643102
F

>>11643079
>Coronavirus was all part of Jimmy's plan

>>11643056
X is a good first name.

>>11643191
easy signature to forge

>>11642676
Does it piss off Jeff bezos that Musk will always have better fame and adoration than he ever will or is he so above the average pleb that he couldnt care less about being liked?

>>11641584
Nobody here gives a fuck about the estrogen astronaut's clickbait, we only watch his spaceX livestream stuff.

New Space Force recruitment ad. Note the X-33 and the massive goddamned spaceship with rotating habs.

https://twitter.com/SpaceForceDoD/status/1258067536509317128

>>11641860
>thinktank

You could buy stuff from think tanks that actually came out under a mountain of stuff that didn't.
Feels like your nitpicking.

>>11641920
>If China retaliates, you push onward into war.
that's very curious, i always thought americans liked new york and prefered it over a radioactive crater, but what do you know it seems at least this particular want really wants new york to be a radioactive crater

>>11642361
>Not a vault on mars.
You had one job.

>>11643254
>i always thought americans liked new york and prefered it over a radioactive crater
lmao you don't know Americans at all

>>11643067
Probably a placeholder.
i hope.

>>11642960
>throwing even more money at SLS will make it work

>>11643254
Nah, the CCP are scumbags but if they nuke LA and NY I'd personally pin a metal on Xi.

Gateway elements delayed until 2023, but they (PPE and HALO) will be launched together on a Falcon Heavy.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/nasa-planning-to-launch-an-integrated-lunar-gateway-in-2023/

>>11643254
Worth it for a billion dead insects

>>11643268
>>11643276
kek

>>11643231
I thought that the Delta IV is being retired?

>>11643280
SpaceX cleaning up, holy shit

>>11643231
>X-33
First of all X-33 was a sub-scale suborbital prototype that got cancelled when it became clear that the technological leaps required to make the actual finished vehicle possible (Venture Star) were out of reach.
Secondly that's not even an X-33, it's an X-37B, a satellite platform that looks like a space-plane but gets launched enclosed inside a fairing, so really it's just a reentry sled.

>>11643280
>"Let's be very honest again," Bolden said in a 2014 interview. "We don't have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. Falcon 9 Heavy may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. SLS is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis... I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry."
Friendly reminder.

>>11643254
>implying new york wouldn't be better off if it were glassed
cesspit of predatory landlords and false economic opportunity, burn it down

>>11643285
It is. It's being replaced with Vulcan, though ostensibly it's already been replaced by Falcon Heavy.

>>11643280
>>11643290
There’s nothing saying it will launch on Falcon Heavy, just NASA stating that an existing vehicle (FH) is capable of launching the stack. Also it states that FH would only be able to launch it with the planned longer fairing (which currently doesn’t exist).

>>11643285
>X-33
You mean X-37b? I'm glad they put it in there, they should promote it more since it's the most
visible 'military' space thing we have. Kind of disappointed in the ad overall though, because there's too much focus on what if's and not much focus on what is. Either way their slogan is pretty good.

>>11643298
>We have all the engines done
..because they are literally using the re-usable Shuttle engines (expendably of course), and the SRBs are only slightly different from Shuttle.
>Our new automobile is real, we already have the tires and fuel tank!

>>11643056
Bobby Tables was a better idea

>>11643298
God I love it when private beats politics

>>11643056
SR-17?

>>11643056
>Grimes has anime mascot icon
Normies BTFO

>>11643056
Until I see an actual birth certificate, I will continue to believe that both of them are trolling as hard as diamonds.

>>11643309
So what is the X-37b anyway?
i have my money on a small satellite grabber.
And probably the testplatform for making a big brother in the future.

>>11643343
It does science experiments for the government.

>>11643343
It's been in space for over a year at a time already so it's pretty clearly a platform of some kind.

>>11643343
should grab and deorbit chink satellites if they don't pay up

>>11643348
That’s interesting, but sounds impractical. You can’t gather very much science using mystery goo observation unless you bring a scientist to reset the experiments

>>11643231

>>11643231
>and the massive goddamned spaceship with rotating habs.
The fuck, are they working on something we don't know about?

>>11643357
That's why it returns to Earth and they send it back up again...

>>11643369
It's meant to appeal to teens who are addicted to entertainment like Halo and Star Wars.

>>11643377
Make it real.

>>11643356
>Space Italian mafia charges you for their 'protection'
>The Godfather Part IV filmed entirely in orbit
>Cyborg Don Corleone

>>11643231
for a bunch of satellite babying chair jockeys, that was pretty good

>>11643380
This.

I would sign up for Space Force in a heartbeat if it meant that I serve in Starfleet

>>11643356
We can do that a lot faster and cheaper with SAMs. All of our Arleigh Burke DDGs that carry SM-6es are now mobile anti-sat platforms.

>>11643357
That's very practical. ISS doesn't provide microgravity sufficient for some biology and crystallography experiments, you need to have a separate spacecraft with no disturbance. For this reason, Russians planned OKA-T2 for some time, a co-orbital companion to the station that would fly apart and dock from time to time. They have Fotons and Bions as well, for precisely this purpose. X-37 also provides quality microgravity and space environment exposure if needed.
>unless you bring a scientist to reset the experiments
That's why you bring the entire spacecraft back.

>>11643298
Was that really 6 years ago... jesus christ... reading the Houston article is embarrassing...
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/nasa/adrift/2/
>proponents of the SLS point out that only four big engines need to be lit for its launch, whereas the Falcon Heavy needs 27.
>SLS won’t be ready to fly until the end of 2017
>In short order NASA has invested tens of millions of dollars into facilities at Michoud. One reason, of course, is to build SLS as quickly as possible.

>>11643401
Does she actually have no separate service module, meaning the whole thing is reusable if launched from a reusable launch vehicle?

>>11643191
https://youtu.be/DMf7WyKwHbw

>>11642106
No, Elon accidentally proved antisemitism true when the checkmark jews exposed THEMSELVES after he talked about billionaires. It's like a court case where the judge claims the culprit is a very sick man who should face death penalty, only for one man in the jury to start autistically yelling about how he's soooo hateful to someone he doesn't even know. Case in point, the Minecraft villagers are the billionaires.

>>11643254
New York would be an infinitely better place if it were a pile of radioactive glass

>>11643281
i dont think you grasp the situation, in a mad scenario most chinese and us cities get bombed.

main differences is the chinese have been planning for nuclear war forever.

not measly soft fallour shelters but massive underground hard shelters, huge decentralized stocks of emergency supplies, grand scale realistic plans to reimplement industry after a nuclear attack.

unlike americans who are so attached to their comfortable way of life that they think no one else would go against it, the chinese are really legit unironically ready to die by the hundreds of millions and have the survivors endure the consequences.

Make no mistake amigo, in a nuclear war the civilization who throws a hissy fit if it can't go to the hairdresser in 3 days is instadisqualified

>>11643231
SPACE SHUTTLE DOOR GUNNER MOS WHEN

>>11643415
>the chinese are really legit unironically ready to die by the hundreds of millions and have the survivors endure the consequences.

No they aren’t dumbass. Sociopathic party officials are.

>>11643410
X-COM units and Space Marines when?

>>11643405
>In short order NASA has invested tens of millions of dollars into facilities at Michoud. One reason, of course, is to build SLS as quickly as possible.
>But Peter Wilson, a national defense analyst with the Rand Corporation who tracks space issues, believes there is another reason as well.
>“They’re throwing the money into this program, into places like Michoud, to make it very expensive to change course,” Wilson said.
What a shit show.

>>11643425
hmm

>>11643419
americans, you have already commited this mistake

>invades vietnam
>hey sargent, are you sure we should be doing this, we are just brutally raping and murdering them for no reason, they are bound to get mad
>dont be an idiot private, you think these cowardly farmers are disciplined enough to being buried alive with snakes for the chance to kill one of ours? dont be silly, im an american soldier and i wouldnt do taht, and noooooo one is braver and more determined than an american soldier.

americans need to learn that all you have is money and technology, youre coward and undiscipliend in any extreme situation you would be instantly obliterated because of your addiction to comfort.

seriously, if you dont get the special kind of topping you want for your subway sandwich youre not motivated enough to work and riot

https://soundcloud.com/jake-heartbreak/entanglemints-im-in-the-space-force-now

>>11643323
Grimes fucked up

>>11643435

>>11643434
>hey sargent, are you sure we should be doing this, we are just brutally raping and murdering them for no reason, they are bound to get mad

Yeah, they should have completely eradicated the local population from the air.

https://twitter.com/AuerSusan/status/1258085184827723783

http://SpaceIntelreport.com reports that bidders for defunct company include:

2 Chinese companies (!)
#Eutelsat
#SpaceX
#Amazon
Cerberus (the Hegdefond)

>>11643434
Vietnam was a series of tactical victories turned into a withdrawal by idiots back home in the administration. Our current President considers "bomb the shit out of them" and "annihilation tactics" to be reasonable ROI, and the results back that up.

>>11643298
>SLS is real
Oh no no no no

The thread about O'Neill Cylinders >>11640806 has me wondering: how do we make our radiation shielding less shit?

>>11643445
I live down the road from an office of oneweb, I was *this* close to applying before the quarantine happened. Dodged a bullet there, my relief is immeasurable and my day is brightened

>>11643427
someone should do that list with some cartoon-like classical music and have the the scrolling speed start out very slow and slowly accelerate as the music progresses

>>11643456

>>11643457
What makes the quote even better is that the core stage is on the test stand at Stennis right now, but the test is being delayed due to "tank leakage".

>>11643445
>2 Chinese companies
Won't happen because of national security concerns.
>SpaceX
They're just going after the spectrum rights.
>Amazon
They want the spectrum rights, possibly the engineers and satellites and everything else.
>Eutelsat
I guess...
>Cerberus hedgefund
Why? To try and resell to SpaceX/Amazon?

>>11643460
you can't
next question

>>11643460
Become robots that don’t need anu

>>11643445
>yfw SpaceX buys them up, deorbits all their sats, and repurposes company leftovers into the Starship 0g toilet manufacturing division

>>11643456
We lost in Vietnam because we had no way of permanently putting North Vietnam out of commission, short of a land invasion, and we couldn't do a land invasion without getting into a war with China.

The VC got fucking dabbed on after Tet, but it didn't matter because the Chinese and Russians kept shipping in supplies and the NVA was able to pick up the slack.

Unless we wanted to keep bombing them indefinitely, and keep having pilots going to the Hanoi Hilton, hundreds of thousands of civilians getting killed every year, and our military distracted from theaters that were actually important, like Central Europe and Korea, we were eventually going to have to pull out.

Based Nixon realized this, which is why troop withdrawals began almost immediately after he came into office.

>>11643486
Fuck civilians.

>>11643497
What launch is this?

>>11643486
>hundreds of thousands of Communists getting killed every year
Oh no, that sucks.

>>11643480
They're the dead horse bidder or something I think. If nobody bids to a certain threshold they get the assets.

>>11643486
Yup. Can't fight an enemy you can't touch.

>>11643491
It was really more the pilots thing than anything else desu

A lot of people got shot down during Linebacker. A lot of the pilots then ended up in North Vietnamese torture camps, which was a pretty demoralizing thing for the armed forces and for the people back home.

We were able to temporarily shut down any North Vietnamese ground offensives by launching air offensives over North Vietnam, but we would have to do that literally every time the North Vietnamese launched an offensive, with our Air Force taking pretty nasty casualties every single time.

We eventually decided it wasn't worth it, because it simply wasn't. In order to ramp up the fight in Vietnam, we had to draw down our forces in Europe to the point where the Soviets could have waltzed into Paris. Our armed forces were in tatters. It was to the point where the commissioned officers couldn't visit the enlisted barracks without an armed MP escort.

We made a rational decision to write off South Vietnam. It sucks, but you can't be sentimental when you're fighting a Cold War.

>>11643500
idk, it was on the Space Force twitter

>>11643482

>>11643464
kek. I second this

mfw i be to old join the US Colonial Marines

>>11643491
Civilians won the Vietnam war.

>>11643515
at least you're american, some of us are stuck with glacial paced ESA

>>11643513
Go back to MeatChan

>>11643518
I'm pretty sure SpaceX will just let the ESA bring their own missions on BFR flights. I wouldn't be that surprised if the next people on Mars after the Americans were ESA and Japanese, because SpaceX is actually willing to rent out space to them, as opposed to China and Russia.

>>11643526
i wonder if Elon will branch out and have a starship factory in Europe

>>11643533
Foreign nations are forbidden from working in US launch vehicle construction.

>>11643437

I mean, in her defense, she literally just had a kid. An honest mistake.

>>11643536
ah really thought perhaps UK or France, but fair enough

>>11643538
I wonder if they doped her up on painkillers

>>11643533
doubtful, if you want to launch something you ideally launch from the equator which is why the French launch in Guiana and why the US launches in southern California, Florida and soon to be Texas (literally on the southernmost tip, 5 minutes from Mexico)

>>11643536
I'm sure that Elon could DM Trump on Twitter and ask for some kind of ITAR exemption.

We let Japan build F-35s, it's not like we don't let sensitive information out if we think it's in our strategic interests.

>>11643536
ITAR?

>>11643544
going polar (the point of Vandenburg, CA) is easier the farther away you are from the equator

>>11643526
>as opposed to China and Russia
you... what? US literally rides Russian spaceships right now, as well as other countries' astronauts. China also run joint probe missions with EU institutions. Only the Americans are autistic about Chinese.

>>11643547
Yep.

>>11643545
Canada just puts all its payloads on US built rockets and Elon already has Japanese passengers lined up for Crew Dragon (JAXA astronauts) and Starship (the moon meme tour). Since Europe already does their launches from South America anyways I don't think there's anyone who we'd allow to build them that wouldn't just use American launches anyways.

>>11643566
I wish the Sutherland spaceport plans could be upgraded to send and receive Starships

>>11643356
>should grab and deorbit chink satellites if they don't pay up
already possible

>>11643351
Imagine what the USAF could do with their own Starship as a platform.

where would I have to move if I joined the space force? Colorado?

>>11643595
Fuck off, Colorado is full. Go away.

>>11643598
I recently moved out of Colorado and don't want to go back

>>11643589
They've already implied interest in it as a sub orbital troop carrier. Space Marines delivered anywhere in the world in three hours.

>>11643564
>Only the Americans are autistic about Chinese.

China is evil, and should not be diplomatically recognized.

>>11643445
>One web with amazon money and new glenn
Oh shit musk, better start ramping up the starlink launches.

>>11643615
*should not exist

>>11642278
how dense are you? He's the sole reason for the US to now have a permanent manned presence in space. And once people start living on other planets the USSF will have to expand there as well

>>11643615
>communism is evil, and should not be diplomatically recognized.
Fixed.
And just look at taiwan, they are chinese, but democratic and chill as fuck and bro's to the west.
I'm white and from central europe btw if you want to claim i'm a taiwanese chill.

>>11643231
>the Netflix Space Force promo in the replies
Space Force is one of those things that is simultaneously awesome and silly. And Steve Carrell is the man to bridge that gap.

>>11643655
there's unironically nothing silly about it—at least no more silly than the "air force" would have been when it was first announced. Certainly less silly than calling moving picture shows "movies".

>>11643298
>he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry
struts go brrrrrrrrr

>>11643659
i think people are just making a joke out of it because "orange man" announced it.
If hillary did it as president they would probably praise it.

Trump most likely never even had that much to do with this decision.

>>11643564
>US literally rides Russian spaceships right now, as well as other countries' astronauts

Because we have no choice

Once we have leverage, we can tell them to fuck off.

Will SN4 hop w/ nosecone?

>>11643663
Dry mass 17x the wet mass

>>11643672
That's kind of pathetic.

>>11643460
Arm cannon on the wrong side, god dammit

Also you make rad shielding less shit by making vehicles so large that a ten meter thick layer of HDPE enclosing the entire thing doesn't add more than 1% dry mass ratio.

>>11643673
SN4 won't have a nosecone iirc, but SN5 will.

>>11643685
Fuck 'em.

If they want to be an authoritarian shithole and fuck with the countries that aren't authoritarian shitholes, then we should only let them use authoritarian shithole technology, and not any of the good, non shithole country technology like Starship.

>>11643615
>>11643642
>>11643708
>>11643672
you have to be 18 to post here

>>11643724
>US shouldn't use technological superiority to advance foreign policy goals
>you shouldn't talk shit about Russia and China in a thread about US having technology that BTFOs Russia and China

>>11643724
You have to actually have an argument if you want to post here and not resort to meaningless ad hominems.

>>11643231
>dat terrible editing
Just spoon out my eyes already.

>>11643435
I like it, but it would be nice if they hadn't used a potato to record it. Pic related.

>>11643617
>Oh shit musk, better start ramping up the starlink launches.
Yes, before Jeff Who launches something better than New Shepard that can actually reach orbit. Any year now...

>>11643695
>a ten meter thick layer of HDPE
That's a lot of milk jugs.

>>11643731
>in a thread about US having technology that BTFOs Russia and China
That's a spaceflight general on a /sci/ board. You can always visit /pol/ for your personal crusades against political systems, countries, etc

>>11643744
Buttmad chink confirmed

>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TALK ABOUT HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY WILL BTFO MY COUNTRY IN A THREAD THAT'S SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY

Get corona

>>11643724
Stop defending evil communist dystopias.

>>11643748
>Buttmad
It's not me who's sperging out at a slightest mention of some country and going on a /pol/ tier rant though
Not a chink as well

>>11643756
>being tired of the autists means defending someone

>>11643774
>>11643780
You've derailed this entire thread because you got triggered because someone was talking negatively about a certain country. You don't even have a real point, you're just shitposting. Just fuck off already, you stupid faggot.

spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace

>>11641793
Maybe this could be true if the Lions were actually the most optimal mates. Unfortunately women are retarded, and so the people reproducing more with polygamy are not the people you want to be reproducing.

Not to detract from the discussions about cuckoldry, baby names, and other dumb shit, but when is Starship going to hop?

SPACE

>>11643821
Late this month. We could get a Starship hop and DM-2 in the same week.

>>11643799
>Maybe this could be true if the Lions were actually the most optimal mates

They are by definition. Study biology.

> Unfortunately women are retarded, and so the people reproducing more with polygamy are not the people you want to be reproducing.

I want people with traits that encourage fertility to be the ones reproducing, and this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The genetic makeup of the future belongs to Giga-chads like Elon Musk and Ujumbo the Congolese farmer, not soulless apatheists who live in western countries and decide to die childless because of “climate change”.

>>11643834
The optimal mates as defined by women and society and the optimal mates as defined by who produces offspring that eventually get us to the stars are very different things anon. The few gigachads like musk reproducing don't make up for the vastly greater fertility rate of the retards making up the bottom brackets of IQ in this country.

>>11643843
>The optimal mates as defined by women and society and the optimal mates as defined by who produces offspring that eventually get us to the stars are very different things anon.

Low fertility rates don’t get us anywhere whatsoever.

> The few gigachads like musk reproducing don't make up for the vastly greater fertility rate of the retards making up the bottom brackets of IQ in this country.

Actually a higher IQ demographic than the average in 60’s America.

>Why yes I post on /sfg/ messages about women, IQ, communism and minorities, how did you guess

>>11643894
Is that some poor Cosmonaut who got fried?

>>11643900
No, astronaut. That's the corpse of Chaffee.

>>11643681
>tank of fuel weighs 17 times more empty than it does when full
Wet mass doesn't mean what you think it means, anon

>>11643908
It’s a new technology that uses topological manipulation.