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frozen oxygen

>>11625073
It's a flake of ice, one of the propellants of that rocket is cryogenic and it tends to gather ice on the outside. If it were a rat, then it would've been dead by that point in the flight.

You realize that if this is a rat, it would be like 3 ft long right?

>>11625080
t b h with you it really looks like an actual honest to god no argument about it rat.

My counterpart is of the assumption it is green screened.

>>11625073
It's a space rat. They evolved to live on nasa rockets in low pressure and air environments. Their diets consist of dark matter photons and neutrinos.

easy, spacex is real, nasa is just trying to keep it's funding.

>>11625089
>t b h with you it really looks like an actual honest to god no argument about it rat.
Then ask yourself, why would there be a rat there?

>My counterpart is of the assumption it is green screened.
Why would SpaceX CGI in an animal onto their rocket?

>>11625109
I'm pretty sure reading comprehension would lead you to the fact that he means the entire thing is faked.

>>11625073
escaped onto set

>>11625122
So is it a physical model or CGI?

>>11625073
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTGlMltu6rw

>>11625073
Link the source.

>>11625085
Rats grow bigger in low gravity

My favorite conspiracy theory is that particulary retarded conspiracy theories, like space isn't real, flat earth, and so on, actually have glowniggers pushing them. They do this to tar by association anyone looking into more plausible conspiracies, like asking who did the CIA use its clandestine assassination tools on, what really happened with JFK's shooting, and such.

>>11625085
Maybe it's an opposum.

>>11625073
Have you ever seen a rat? they don't have cartoony ears like that.

>>11625073
>t. never seen a rat

And assuming that the footage is CGI or some shit, do you really think they would let a fucking rat crawl on set?

>>11625467
This isn't a conspiracy theory. ONI literally admitted to doing this. There's a documentary about it. It's called Mirage Men.

>>11625089
have you even seen an actual rat? They don't have mickey mouse ears, let alone being white and half a meter in size.

>>11625089
If you are willing to use this kind of reasoning then your epistemology is so deeply flawed that a lifetime of study would not be sufficient for you to become a functional human being.

>>11625073
Because Jews are astronauts too.

>>11625091
Pretty sure this is true

>>11625109
Obviously, in his conspiracy theory, the rat is simply lurking the studio

>>11626365
And the director didn't tell the cameraman to cut and chase away the rat? That's nonsensical, OP is surely mentally ill.

>>11625073
Stuart little: space adventure.
Coming this fall.

Also, how many refueling would a moon spec starship need in earth orbit?
And do we have any idea on what those midsection thrusters are?

It's a lump of LOX slush ice. It's an open cycle engine for fucks sake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

>>11626365
Yeah, makes sense. Have some elabroate CGI of a rocket launch, have many people involved to pull of this stunt.

>> AHH FUCKIN' JOHNNY FORGOT TO DO ANOTHER TAKE, NOW WE GOT A RAT RUNNING AROUND

Really?

>>11626298
lol

>>11627494
Yeah, the Amazing Melty Mouse running along the turbine exhaust manifold in a vacuum.

>>11625073
>an explanation for this
Ok. That is not a rat. anything else?...

>>11625073
It's not a rat, it looks vaguely like a rat but if it were it would be massive and very dead, plus real rats don't have ears that cartoonishly obvious, my first guess would be something like oxygen.
If it WERE some sort of movie set, wouldn't they just see it and do another take?
The idea that the government is so clever that it can fake the space program (and for whatever reason get hostile countries that would benefit from calling them out on their bullshit to accept it) but also has people release fake footage before checking the final product is laughable.

>>11625073
It is just a piece of Mylar, pushed by gases released by the engine.

>>11627582
Nope. It's LOX slush. Watch any SpaceX launch and you'll see blobs of LOX dribble along the exhaust manifold, especially shortly after an engine restart due to it being an open cycle engine. Open cycle throws out a bit of LOX and RP-1 to run the turbopump. That's what you're looking at.

>>11627582
spoiler alert

>>11625080
>If it were a rat, then it would've been dead by that point in the flight.
not if it's filmed in a studio :^)

>it's the ice mouse thread
>again

this was discussed to death when it happened
if you don't remember it's because you're too new to be posting, lurk for a year

>>11625073
Do you fucking know what a rat looks like you fucking retard?

Know what the saddest part is probably OP doesn’t think it’s a rat but someone out there does. They took their time to edit this video to show the fucking thing and zoomed in

>>11627690
im both entertained and scared of this possibility
desu

>>11625073
Where is the rat I don't see it?

>>11625073
he wanted the cheese from the moon.

>>11627768
that rocket wasn't going to the moon, that rocket was going to the international space station
and the engine that you see there is dropped off well before that and burns up in the atmosphere off the coast of Australia

>>11625073
>Trying to find an explanation for this. About to lose an argument hard if I can't explain this.
I think it's just ice... but if it's a rat damn bro fucking space rats

>>11625073
I can't watch the video... Please post a link to the full version with a timestamp

>>11625467
When it comes to people posting threads like this, it's often just playing devil's advocate to make people truly evaluate their knowledge. For instance an old thread about questioning the connection between nicotine and cancer resulted in some introspection and important questions about the nature of epidemiology studies even if it seemed like shitposting at first.

>>11627904
It's explained several times in this thread. Go look up several other SpaceX launches, pay close attention to the encircled part just prior to engine startup on the missions where they have several upper stage shutdowns/startups. That's the venting for the open cycle for the turbopump that vents out unused LOX and RP-1 to actually run and lube the turbopump. Before they start up the engine itself, they have to run some through it to get it running.
You seeing a rat/mouse there is a classic case of pareidolia.

When the engine is running like you see in the video, you see the venting gas. The "mouse/rat" in question is the blob that formed while they were priming prior to ignition.

>>11627911
it is a webm
solve your problems anon
you need webm in your life

>>11627920
anon there is no need to deny that it looks very much like a rat would like like, if that thing was a rat. this can be done while denying the reality of the rat.

>>11627926
Some people see Jesus in a piece of burnt toast too.

>>11627929
you have to let the toasts look like jesus when it happens.

>>11627902
You expect a rat to know that?

>>11627926
Rats don't actually look like that

>>11627920
I was just kidding... anyway thanks for the explanation!

>>11628131
No problem. It usually looks more like a space snake/cable. I've never seen anyone think space sneks were taking over from these launch videos though.

>>11627902
Poor fucking rat, all that effort and no cheese?

>>11625533
>>11625774
>>11625888
>>11627650
>>11628049
>>11627926

Black rats do. They are somewhat less common than brown rats, but they are 100% real.

>>11628450
yea, they are also more aggressive and less intelligent, so they rarely get used in labs

>>11625073
It's actually Space Frog.

>>11628468
Explains why it wanted to ride eternal, chrome and shine

>>11628429
there was cheese on the international space station but SpaceX took it back down

>>11625467
>like space isn't real,
Our most precise science, which actually is experimentally tested quantum physics agrees with this „conspiracy“ theory. We already know local realism can’t be true.

>>11628473
She/he died as they lived in the ways of metal.

>>11625073
I RECOGNISE THAT RODENT

>>11628580
bwaahaha good one

>>11625073
Its a rat carrying covid virus from 5G space

>>11625073
That looks more like rope than a rat

>>11625073
Ayy Lmaouse.

>>11625521
yeah those fuckers get into everything

>>11625073
Rats are smart. They can get into space if they want to.
But this is not that cartoon.

>>11628499
Rats love to climb.

>>11625073
Doesn't look like a rat, look at them ears.

>>11625398
lol

>>11628473
Fucking RIP lmao

>>11627920
Holy shit the gay opping of this is huge and hard.
Clearly NASA shills are here doing their best to explain why their is a rodant on a rocket.

>Its not a RAT LOL
>Its something else lol, cring, seeth, skitzo!
>HAHAHA anon this was already explained HERE lol

I wouldnt be so suspicious, but EVERY comment on this thread is in the same vein of denial, mitigation and insult.

>>11634729
it's just ice bro
relax bro

>>11625467
I have an alternative theory.
I believe that flat earth/space denial/ evolution denial/etc was started by academics specifically to troll both brainlets as well as other academics. Because your average person is aware that earth is round and that space and evolution are real but if asked to explain how anyone knows that, how to prove those things without an appeal to authority they will usually draw a blank, so when confronted by some person making bold claims that they know are false but is backing those claims up with what to a layman at least sounds like a solid argument that they cannot provide a stronger argument against it results in a particularly annoying kind of frustration.

Either the person or persons behind the flat earth/space denial/etc false flags was attempting to encourage the average person to have a better understanding of how things work/ develop better debate skills, or they were just trolling and wanted to see people get butthurt.

>>11625073
Why are those bags/wrapping inflating and moving? Aint no air in space.

>>11636550
the rocket produces gasses

>>11636550
There can be ice and air trapped under there + the rocket vents a bit of gas as it goes too. They are basically moving in the wind but the wind is coming from inside and not outside.

Space is fake :)

>>11634729
take your meds schizo.

>>11628450
They also aren't white and their heads don't melt and morph, eventually detaching from their bodies, as they scurry along

>>11625398
AHA WUBALUBADUBDUB WE DID IT REDDIT! xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>11628473

>>11625089
I work with rats and mice as part of my research. The 'ears' on this blob are 5x bigger than rat ears are supposed to be. Rodents only have giant circular ears in cartoons.

>>11638561
Research is on brown rats, retard.

>>11638589
your mom's a brown rat.

>>11638589
what's your point? there's no species of rat that has comically-large circle ears

>>11635501
Not only does the average person not know much about scientific topics in-depth the don’t know how to debate. If you are a slightly educated debater. Maybe took a couple classes in philosophy and other classes which debate is important Or you learn how to debate you can blow the average person out of the water in a debate even in obviously wrong stances. They just don’t know how to debate properly. They never learned how to.

>>11625467
this is a real disinformation technique. To what extent it is actually used by different governments I don't know.

>>11625467
this

>>11636550
Open
Cycle

>>11638803
The way you're talking seems to imply you think you're a good debater, but your punctuation made it difficult to understand fuck all.

>>11636759
Why do I need meds if I can collect 1500 dollars while renting out flats to aslyum seekers, getting that sweet government supsidary so I can shit post on 4 chin?
Really doesnt make any sense.

>>11625467
dude, you are on metaconspiracy theory
that's a godel level of conspiracy

>>11625467
How is that a conspiracy when you SHOULD know it's fairly easy to do and you've most likely used it against someone you disliked as an afterthought.
You should know it as an obvious propaganda techniques and the only conspiracy is wether or not some organization successfully managed to hide their use of it.

With the proper amplifier for human stupidity like a bot network on social network you can make millions of people act in a predictable manner without your bot looking relevant or menacing (because no one is dumb or believe fakenews, therefore they must be right).

Its just Grimes

>>11625073
>About to lose an argument hard if I can't explain this.
A retard losing an argument to an even bigger retard. Go back to >>>/x/ faggot.

>>11626934
Ralph S. Mouse > Stuart Little
Fight me.

>>11625080
My question is: why in the fuck would the video be cut off before it can be determined?

>>11625862
where can i find that?

>>11627554
If a conspiracy like this is true, there would be like one entity faking the whole thing, e.g. missions, nasa employees that coordinate said missions, etc. Everyone else would think we are actually going to space.
>hurr durr everyone would be in on it
No. Cliche but, that's what they want you to think. A sufficiently powerful imagination can imagine the feasibility of any conspiracy theory being real. Your small mind has no effect on reality.

>>11639775
Shhhhhsh!
You know the rule, you aren't allowed to be meta about it. Anon might deduce the whole thing!

>>11625073
Movements/shape don't resemble a rat at all. That's clearly a piece of frozen oxygen or debris.

>>11625073
>it is a mouse!!!
>...
>looks like a mouse drawn by a coked out Walt Disney
I've met people IRL who think it is a real mouse.

>>11625073
Kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnbSMjFebPk

>>11642310
as a mouse expert (read a lot Mickey Mouse comics) I call bullshit. first one is clearly a mouse that is followed by baby mices. they are obviously having a family picknick.

>>11625073
>there is mouse or rat what is not only way bigger but is not looking like real animal but closer to cartoon

>>11625122

the argument he is making is that the rat is real, the rig is real, but the background is greenscreen and a rat just so happened to get in without anyone noticing.

This leads into the flat earth conspiracy, which believes that humans never went into space.

>>11628473
>French can go into space too

>>11642310

So OP is a faggot that just showed a small segment of the full video

>>11643044
His friend is probably the faggot that picked this shit up on whatever social media people talk about this nonsense.

>>11635501
I almost agree but I think the theories themselves are kept alive by the expert for the very same reasons.
I had a physics teacher in high school who would offhandedly joke about the moon landing being a hoax in a way that you couldn't really tell if he was serious.
It was kind of like a wink to the smart kids like "I'm gonna blow these idiots' minds"

Fennec fox?

>>11625862
>>11639769
Yees, where can we find that?

>>11643037
I think its more that the entire space program has been gutted and they do shots like this to scab money from the government because NASA is now full of shitskins and cumbrains who dont know that the big white thing in the sky is the moon.