/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11624201
>sort of like a data point in the structure of your consciousness that cannot be further reduced.
meaningless word salad

>>11624204
I don't think so, maybe you don't understand what I am trying to say.
This is probably a horrible analogy but imagine it sort of like a basic binary turing machine trying to somehow dissect a single digit of instructions.
Your brain explains things in the world by creating high-level concepts, correlations. This simply will not work will Qualia, because Qualia are the most basic elements of your conscious experience. Because humans are intelligent in the way they are, they understand the existence of Qualia within their perception, but must fail in trying to understand them in the same way they understand the outside world.
Irreducible + Subjective are the key words

>>11624201
There is no problem with consciousness unless you are an idiot that can't understand simple science

>Rather than try to start from physical principles and arrive at consciousness, IIT "starts with consciousness" (accepts the existence of consciousness as certain) and reasons about the properties that a postulated physical substrate would have to have in order to account for it.
Interesting. Never thought about it like that.

so the universe is basically just information?

>>11624229
Yeah, all those morons with background in philosophy, neuroscience, psychology and A.I., who consider it an unsolved problem should probably call you up. KYS you schizotypal fuckface.

WOAH. A CONSCIOUSNESS THREAD.

DUDES, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE CONSCIOUSNESS. I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S CAUSED BY THE FLUX OF SPACIAL DINENSIONS IN THE FLOW OF CAPACITORS IN OUR BRAINS

WOAH DONT I SOUND SO SMART AND DEEP???

LETS ALL HEAD DOWN TO THE ARCADE BAR AND TALK ABOUT THIS SOME MORE OVER A HOPPY IPA

>>11624252
>Yeah, all those morons with background in philosophy, neuroscience, psychology and A.I., who consider it an unsolved problem should probably call you up. KYS you schizotypal fuckface.

>I don't think so, maybe you don't understand what I am trying to say.
>This is probably a horrible analogy but imagine it sort of like a basic binary turing machine trying to somehow dissect a single digit of instructions.
>Your brain explains things in the world by creating high-level concepts, correlations. This simply will not work will Qualia, because Qualia are the most basic elements of your conscious experience. Because humans are intelligent in the way they are, they understand the existence of Qualia within their perception, but must fail in trying to understand them in the same way they understand the outside world.
>Irreducible + Subjective are the key words

>>11624296
We are talking about a theory that postulates an existence of a concrete theoretical system with a mathematically defined minimal set of certain properties that would give rise to consciousness.
Maybe you should unwind after your shitty day by shitposting elsewhere.

>We are talking about a theory that postulates an existence of a concrete theoretical system with a mathematically defined minimal set of certain properties that would give rise to consciousness.

>Maybe you should unwind after your shitty day by shitposting elsewhere.
>QUIT MAKING FUN OF ME FOR MY WORD MUMBO-JUMBO AND PSEUDO-INTELLECTUALITY

OMG IS THAT THE HECKIN GOOD LISTERINO

THE KILLS 99.9 OF GERMIBOIS AND BACTERINOS?!?!

NOOO NOT THE HECKIN BAD BOI BACTERINOS!!!! NOT THE SMOL CAVITY BOIS!!!!!

>>11624320
Kek

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>>11624320
Basic knowledge of classic logic would allow you to prove that a "word mumbo-jumbo" is in fact "word mumbo-jumbo" faster than it took you to get all exited and find those HAHA SO FUNNEH pics on your drive. Your idea of arguing combined with your accusations is an irony that only a brainlet like you could miss.

>Basic knowledge of classic logic would allow you to prove that a "word mumbo-jumbo" is in fact "word mumbo-jumbo" faster than it took you to get all exited and find those HAHA SO FUNNEH pics on your drive. Your idea of arguing combined with your accusations is an irony that only a brainlet like you could miss.

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>>11624337
>counter-arguing memes with reddit-tier memes

>>11624296
Actually it's more likely due to postules causing ripples in the fabric of space-time interacting with the weak force in flow of the universe. Hence why it's comprehensible to say that consciousness is likely the causative result of us being in a simulation along the strings of the cosmos.

VERY COOL IDEA, BRO

>>11624393
why embarrass yourself further? you do understand that most people in here have some basic understanding of how real arguments are different from rhetorical tricks, not to mention rhetorical tricks in the form of low-level trolling?

Based wojak posters destroy another useless, pseud consciousness thread

>>11624204
I understood it very easily and understood it's meaning. Therefore it was not "meaningless word salad".
Maybe you are just a stupid moron?

>>11624427
>why embarrass yourself further? you do understand that most people in here have some basic understanding of how real arguments are different from rhetorical tricks, not to mention rhetorical tricks in the form of low-level trolling?

>>11624204
This. Consciousness posters are low-iq niggers who have to fluff their words to sound smart and try to make their pseudo-science sound credible.

Someone needs to give a single piece of evidence that falsifies the existence of qualia, because all evidence in the field shows that qualia exists and can be manipulated consistently.
Denying qualia is denying the current results in the field, and is thus anti-science. You are a flat earther on this topic if you deny qualia.

>>11624460
Except, of course, I understood everything being said and it was actually very easy to understand and didn't require any higher abstraction or difficult thought.
Maybe you are all simply stupid fucking morons who with low reading comprehension

>>11624464
>You are a flat earther on this topic if you deny qualia.

>>11624466
Spotted OP trying to defend his shit-post

>>11624460
>>11624460
OP here. No, actually I avoided words that would require a knowledge of the subject while trying to be straight to the point. So that
>sort of like a data point in the structure of your consciousness that cannot be further reduced
i.e. would be probably most accurately called a "grain". Just because a subject is vulnerable to pseudo-scientific discussion that operates on playing with empty semantics (something that I am quite sensitive) does not mean you cannot have a meaningful discussion about it.
I suppose new-age books with quantum babble also made quantum theory itself a pseudo-science?

>actually answering to trolls knowing they'll respond with a dumb meme
the fuck am i doing...

>>11624478
Yes
>>11624485
I am not OP, shit for brains. You are just a moron with no reading comprehension who couldn't understand a very simply worded post

>>11624485
I think you clearly don't get which side here cares about their ego's to do stupid shit like this.

>>11624486
>>>11624460 (You) #
>>>11624460 (You) #
>OP here. No, actually I avoided words that would require a knowledge of the subject while trying to be straight to the point. So that
>>sort of like a data point in the structure of your consciousness that cannot be further reduced
>i.e. would be probably most accurately called a "grain". Just because a subject is vulnerable to pseudo-scientific discussion that operates on playing with empty semantics (something that I am quite sensitive) does not mean you cannot have a meaningful discussion about it.
>I suppose new-age books with quantum babble also made quantum theory itself a pseudo-science?
>>actually answering to trolls knowing they'll respond with a dumb meme
>the fuck am i doing...

>>11624488
>>>11624478 (You) #
>Yes
>>>11624485 (You) #
>I am not OP, shit for brains. You are just a moron with no reading comprehension who couldn't understand a very simply worded post

>>11624490
>>11624485 (You)#
I think you clearly don't get which side here cares about their ego's to do stupid shit like this.

excellent thread, guys

>>11624488
I AM NOY OP, SHIT FOR BRAINS!!!!!!

>>11624528
Could have been if the fucking wojak posters did barge into it. They always have to ruin everything

>this whole thread

This is why consciousness threads are frowned upon on /sci/. They are created by smooth brains and then get invaded by smooth brains.

I think the mods should just ban consciousness posting from now on

>qualia doesnt exist because I can't explain it

its the damn cold nights
trying to figure out this life

Yeah I believe P-consciousness andaccess (A-consciousness) play major roles in the subcutex of determining whether or not free-will is the passive sense of electrical signals mending with miceocapacitors in the brain. But rather I would like to also believe that consciousness of a wave flow pertaining to partical physics that's spread among the universe. So it's certainly possible that we don't have free will.

This is very exciting thought process. Just imagine the implications it would have with alien life.

Perhaps consciousness is just the simple results of us being part of a simulation hosted by much higher beings that we cannot simply comprehend. Perhaps this could be compatible with religion? Because who's to say those higher beings couldn't be called God? Very fascinating, indeed

>things must be rigorously defined in order to have ontological existence

>>11624539
Consciousness is one of the most interesting areas of philosophy, and perhaps a key to unlocking advanced general AI

It's goddamn shame even /sci/ is filled with absolutely retarded children

>>11624576
lolololololol

>It's goddamn shame even /sci/ is filled with absolutely retarded children

>>11624580
>Consciousness is one of the most interesting areas of philosophy, and perhaps a key to unlocking advanced general AI

No, it's most certainly not. Kill yourself

>>11624252
I don't know what morons you think you are speaking for but get a better reading list if they don't understand what is in this article

http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

I "solved" consciousness a long time ago

>>11624588
go back to community college and finish your degree kiddo

you're not even qualified to post here

>>11624252
Sorry forgot to tell you that you are a hack pseud before hitting post, so kys you are just stupid and will never amount to anything

>>11624595
Oh I apologize. I shouldn't be insulting a philosophical genius such as yourself. After all you've clearly shown yourself to be a modern day Plato or Socrates.

Your thought is absolutely ground-breaking. Fucking revolutionary

>Sorry forgot to tell you that you are a hack pseud before hitting post, so kys you are just stupid and will never amount to anything

>OPs post is too hard to understand for me so it must be a word salad!

LOL THIS THREAD IS FUKKIN KILLIN IT HELL YA

>philosophy? I dont understand any of that, all I need is science I fucking love SCIENCE!

>>11624616
SHUT THE FUCK UP LOL

>SHUT THE FUCK UP LOL

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>>11624634
you're literally falling for this troll's trap. his goal is to turn this into a shit fest and you're just making it worse by acknowledging him

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