/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11594889
no. the lawmakers are controlled by a pedo cabal that sacrifice children to moloch.

>>11594897
this but unironicaly

>>11594889
It's borderline. Ephebophilia is perfectly natural though.

>>11594889
It is natural, just like shitting wherever you want is natural, natural doesn't mean good, as humans we have evolved for a very precise kind of environment and technically what's "natural" for us matches what we could do in that context. >we live in a different society and a different context, so we have to choose between our primordial instincts and the laws we give ourselves not to destroy what we've built.

>>11595037
/x/->

>yemen
>9yo
>must be married

>>11595101
This. If something occurs naturally it is natural. Septicemia and asteroid impacts are natural but they aren't good

>>11595186
probably from this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage

>Sahih al-Bukhari's hadith says "that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old."

Hebephilia is an artificial categorisation, a concept, and so it is unnatural.
Attraction to adolescents happens, so it is natural.

>>11595273
lol so everything that happens is natural?

>>11594897
This but unironically

>>11595466
/pol/->

>>11595597
>/pol/->
Funnily, here the political party that has been in power for most of the post war years, has a summer camp where the youngest are 14. It is essentially a major sex orgy that only the police and the press pretends not to know about.

>>11595461
How else could you define natural ?

>>11594897
This but unironically and stating in addition that the pedos are akin to middle management. A buffering, insulating layer.

>>11594889
No, it's caused by trauma or otherwise arrested development. It's not unlike the divide between the narcissist and the codependent. The pedo is the narcissist, and the self-inserting sort is the codependent. Both use the child as a proxy for themselves as a child.

>>11594889
Yes, but that doesn't mean it's right

>>11595746
isnt it morally ok then?

>>11594889

Literally yes
sexual maturity = attraction
It's that simple
Basically if you are not attracted to 12-14 year olds you have been brainwashed by society

>>11594889
if she bleeds it’s natural

>>11595784
Or you're gay

>>11594889
is rape natural?
is murder natural?
is war natural?
just because exists in nature or is a natural aspect of human nature doesn't mean it's not immoral

>>11595775
no see >>11596049

>>11595775
Appeal to nature is a fallacy, so no, it's not morally ok

>>11596075
>lack of proof that it is good means it is bad
nice fallacy

>>11594897
This, and the /pol/tards willingly enable them thinking they'll get a virgin, barely pubescent wife.

No. All p*dos should be v& and neutered in jail by a huge nigger with a blunt razor blade

>>11596177
Google immunocastration.

everyone who disagree with me is an occult pedo murder who sucks blood. this is why im smart and you should follow me instead of them. and no im not projecting.

>>11596049
Wow, a 16 year old fucking a 19 year old is completely comparable to brutal subjugation and stripping of human autonomy

>>11596049
it doesnt mean it is immoral either

>>11594889
Holy fuck what is Mexico's problem?

>>11596216
>16 year old fucking a 19 year old
not hebephilia (and not even illegal in my country and many others). There's a very big difference between adolescents having consensual sex, and the rape of children. Hebephilia is attraction to pubescent children, typically between the ages of 10 to 14. Children of that age cannot consent to sex.
>>11596235
True, and I didn't claim that.

>>11596239
That's in some states, but the federal law has an age of consent of 15 and all states are subject to it.

Seems like another cringe attempt by pedos to normalize their shit

>>11594889
Based Yemen being true to Muhammad (PBUH).

>>11595101
Cringe and bluepilled. We should make it right and return to our natural way of living and environment. Attempting live a purely rational life is obviously not working out. Tradition, heritage, and tribal living is the safer bet because that's what has worked for a very long time and hasn't fucked up everything unlike what we live in now. Fuck bugmen, fuck science and technology, and fuck civilization.

>>11596290
makes me think that patriarchy can be measured by age of consent

>>11594889
Yes it is, There is a reason we did it for thousands of years; that reason isn't because it's unnatural. Don't let fags and roasties convince you otherwise.

>>11596371
hebephilia =/= having sex with teens

>>11594889
Yes but in terms of say pregnancy it's safer to wait 17+ maybe 16.

>>11596664
Fuck I mixed up the terms. Ephebophilia is what I meant. For hebe safety risk is notable factor in carrying a child.

>>11594889
>It can be fucked, therefore it should be.
>It bleeds, therefore it's ready to breed.
>Man is designed by God.
That's about the gist of people saying it's natural. The stupidity is obvious when you consider the risk of death in childbirth in early teen years.

Hopefully the people pushing this are like 17, max of 20. Normal people look at children and at most think "cute kid, she'll be hot when she's older". But little in terms of sexual content beyond that. Not sure why this even needs to be said. Pedos get the rope.

>>11596245
Fourteen year olds can, but they're on the edge of the boundary. Just because the age of majority is set where it is doesn't mean people become more or less rational suddenly. And plenty of 14 year old girls actively seek it out. If they end up having a family and staying together there's literally nothing wrong, but it shouldn't be exploitation either, and there's a lot of men who will do it.

>>11596239
It's a bullshit wikipedo map.
Japan and Argentina are wrong too.
Real AoC is 16 with restrictions and 18 with no restrictions in both countries.

>>11596664
dont worry, i will die as a virgin

>>11596049
what is moral?

>>11598016
things that dont harm others (mental harms arent real)

>>11594889
maybe, maybe not, but it's really fuggin fun :DDDD ;^) hehe

>>11594889
>the consent argument
At a certain age, sex development will happen in a person. Around or before that age, most people are educated in sex. Around or before that age, most people have experience with sexual pleasure. I consider sitting in the backseat of a car that goes up and down a hill and feeling that feeling to be sexual, as it usually leads to masturbation. Now for my anecdotal experience.
As a minor, I have lived in the wealthy white suburbs of california, where the AOC is 18, and the poor rural and urban areas of Mexico, where the AOC is defined as "puberty," but in reality that's 11-12 for most girls and boys. There was never any shortage of young boys trying to get laid. As for the girls, in both areas, I've seen girls as young as 13 whore themselves out to men with money. You can't claim that they were forced into it, nor that they made a choice out of economic necessity, because that clearly doesn't apply to rich white girls in the suburbs who know they're getting a brand new lexus from daddy on their sweet 16. As for the poor Mexican girls, it is true that some of the more impoverished ones are forced into it, but in most cases, these girls are born into a loving family, with both parents present, and with a strong Christian upbringing. Furthermore, in my experience, if you ask nicely, most girls are willing to do it for you, especially if you have something to offer, such as friendship, laughter, looks, love, or money/gifts. I suppose the more popular girls can choose guys who can offer all of the above.
As for the question of nature, you tell me: Are these successful, wealthy, good-looking, charismatic men unnatural? They will do it whether it risks their freedom or not. So is nature making them do it, or do they do it because they know it's really fuggin fun?

>>11598016
Good question, and one which is the primary motivation of the field of ethics. I can't do justice to the wealth of thought developed over millennia that comprises ethics, but here are some of the main ideas grossly oversimplified/bastardised:
1. The moral action is the one that maximises happiness and minimises suffering for the largest number of people (utilitarianism)
2. The moral action is the one that satisfied a set of rules about what is good and bad (de ontology)
3. The moral action is the one which the virtuous person would do (virtue ethics)
all of these are in some way flawed. For example, 1 would imply gang rape was morally good if the perpetrators' combined pleasure outweighed the suffering of the victim. 2 would imply that telling the Gestapo where the Jews were hiding would be morally preferable than lying to them if one of your rules is that dishonesty is bad. And 3 doesn't really give you any specific guidance about what to do in any situation, and some virtues might conflict with others.

>>11598016
The behaviour a group of social organisms adopts in order to survive and reproduce.

>>11597992
why do you think that?

>>11599428

In my view:

>1. The moral action is the one that maximises happiness and minimises suffering for the largest number of people (utilitarianism)
When beings are alive, the morality increases according to "utility" (utilitarism).

>2. The moral action is the one that satisfied a set of rules about what is good and bad (de ontology)
Between a part living well and everyone living badly, the morality is in most of beings living.

>3. The moral action is the one which the virtuous person would do (virtue ethics)
When the axioms '1' and '2' are respected, the morality follows "virtue ethics".

>>11599614
im 25yo kissless virgin diagnosed with schizotypal personality disorder, i also have depression occasionally and phimosis permanently

mary had jesus when she was 12
it's all fine

>>11596897
>Japan and Argentina are wrong too
Japan yeah.
But Argentina doesn't have proper laws. It has a body of ambiguous legislation that is interpreted in completely different ways by different judges. It's what happens when third world monkeys who can barely read try to do something which is way above their level. Not too long ago a female school teacher got away with fucking a 13 or 14 year old boy, because who would punish a woman right? In the end for Argentina that map is both right and wrong at the same time.
And that's for something which should be easy to legislate like age of consent. You don't even wanna know what the laws regarding more complex stuff like budgeting public works or opening a company are.

>>11595687
Which country?

>>11599428
Eastern philosophy throws all these systems out, by letting the most subtle intuition guide your very specific situations through perfect presence. Millisecond virtue, no system of mind necessary.

>>11594889
everything is natural. everything constituting the toxic sludge produced from silicon wafers to make your phones came from nature. "natural" is a word you haphazardly throw around to affirm your confirmation bias

>>11596897
>implying mexico is wrong
Mexico city is 12. Nayarit is puberty. I know this because I'm a Mexican; I'm from these areas. Baja California and the other northern states are actually 18 because of american pressure. The reality is once you get to central and southern mexico in the rural parts there will be plenty of Juans out there with 10 kids willing to trade a young daughter for 6 cows. Laws don't exist without the enforcement, the legislature, and the judiciary. You can go to a small town where there's not a single cop in any direction for 50 miles. So there you go. And let's be real. If you're a poor farmer, you're telling me you wouldn't jump at the opportunity to own livestock, and sell your daughter to a richer man? The girl might not like it, but eventually she'll understand that she's better off being a fuck-maid than the alternatives: hard agricultural work, prostitution, etc. school teacher if she's smart and lucky, but that still doesn't pay enough for survival.

>>11599879
you ain't mary.

>>11594889
yes, but unironically

>>11600000
why do juans have so many children?

>>11595172
>>11595597
>doesn't know how to link to other boards
stupid newfag

>>11600092
I don't get it.

>>11600224

>>11600224

>>11600045
Je needs more jelping jands on the farm.

>>11599938
>Not too long ago a female school teacher got away with fucking a 13 or 14 year old boy, because who would punish a woman right?
This happens in America too, retard. It's because of modern third wave feminism, not because of the country is underdeveloped. In fact it's among the most developed in South America.

https://books.google.com/books?id=iQK4Z_QdYxUC&pg=PT62&lpg=PT62&dq=teacher+student+relationship+13+year+old+not+punished&source=bl&ots=86rGM_98cS&sig=ACfU3U1JlaORQek-mnJRQeVkXlz-geE2rw&hl=es-419&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjZ6djbyoLpAhWRHbkGHePqDSoQ6AEwAHoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=teacher%20student%20relationship%2013%20year%20old%20not%20punished&f=false

Is America a third world country?
Or maybe the opposite, modern feminazism takes over the judiciary of cucked postindustrial states? I bet it's the latter.

>>11600000
Nice numbers

>>11601561
Yep, after years of being on the 4chan, I've finally earned it. Now calculate how long I've been here by the probability of my get.

>>11596683
>Normal people look at children and at most think "cute kid, she'll be hot when she's older". But little in terms of sexual content beyond that. Not sure why this even needs to be said. Pedos get the rope.

>>11596216
What about a 16 year old fucking a 46 year old?

Is DiCaprio immoral, or just handsome and rich and eager for tight virgins?

>>11601592
Normal people also vote for Trump, eat fast food and believe in Jewish sky zombies

Define normal.

>>11601723
"normal" usually means "the most common"

>>11596245
>Children of that age cannot consent to sex.

Sure they can, and there is a huge moral difference between sex with children and rape of children.

>>11596683
>The stupidity is obvious when you consider the risk of death in childbirth in early teen years.

the risk was not enough to outweight the evolutionary benefit of starting to fuck early and thus on average making more children, hence why sexual attraction to early teens is natural and normal

heck, even fucking prepubescent kids was evolutionary advantageous because they get used to sex that way, and thus some pedophilic tendencies in humans are normal as evidenced by phallometric studies

>>11601854
my professor of anthropology said that in ancestral conditions prepubescent girls were taking advantage of being not yet fertile and they were exchanging sex for goods from adult men, i dont know if it is true tho

>>11601899
Make sense desu

>>11601846
redpilled

I mean no any age under fourteen is ick to me and at fourteen they should only be with people a year older than then at max. fourteen is too young its just the youngest possible I can think we're its like, sort of make sense if you have a chrush who's fifteen. seventeen is the best.

i am more in favour of Ephebophilia, thats jailbait level

>>11602419
In my experience 19-24 is just tolerable as well. I do not know what that perversion/sickness has for its name.

>>11596683
op here
sorry i wanted to ask about ephebophilia

>>11601854
bumping the redpill

>>11601720
The latter obviously. Is this some sort of trick question supposedly?

>>11601720
or what about roman polański...

>>11601720
>What about a 16 year old fucking a 46 year old?
based and redpilled

>>11594889
Anything less than 18 is "go directly to jail" and rightfully so. The rule is like this, if you're between 18 and 20 it's two years younger at the youngest. So 18-16 is ok and 19-17 is ok. This is proper and respectable.

>>11594889
it is mentally ill as fuck

>>11603676
stop being intolerant you bigot

>>11601720
>What about a 16 year old fucking a 46 year old?
>number gap big therefore bad
if the younger of the two had been alive for two more years it would be perfectly fine though.

>>11603729
Why? Because in your particular country that's what the law says? In most of Europe (all?) fucking a 16 yo is legal and girls aren't growing up with mental issues, so it's not like you can argue that you're hurting the women.

>>11595101
t. buttshattered shitshamer

>>11603732
in some western european countries age of consent is 14yo

>>11603732
unable to detect sarcasm?
pal the point is I don't want the government to decide when you're ALLOWED to have sex.
I really hate that people always use the massive age gap argument because it's a shit argument that just plays off immediate feelings. If a 16 year old wants to fuck a 46 year old who the fuck cares. If a 9 year old wants to fuck a 60 year old who the fuck cares.

>>11596334
>fuck science and technology, and fuck civilization

>t. person on computer who could go to the woods right now

>>11604199
>pal the point is I don't want the government to decide when you're ALLOWED to have sex.
is this what foucault thought?

>>11595701
Normal

People are liars because this is an uncomfortable topic but pretty much every male responds to all sexual stimuli maybe with the exception of literal babies and toddlers. Someone post the graph.

>>11605841
/r/ the graph

>>11595745
Underrated. Attraction to self extensions you can manipulate and mold is more indicative of psychologically arrested development.

>>11605941
wat

>>11606062
It's egalitarian piety cope. Everyone who is attracted to young, post-pubescent women is a psychological manipulator and has mental deficiencies according to egalitarian moralists.

>>11606067
they fear it because young post-pubescent girl who is in a relationship with adult man is less prone to feminism

>>11605733
Who?

>>11606271
michael foucault, french philosopher, famous, postmodernist and poststructuralist

>>11606405
If he wants the age of consent abolished and cp legalized he's based, never heard of em tho.

>>11606471
>he has never heard of foucault
dumb burger

>hebephilia
this is called being heterosexual. yes, it is normal.

>>11606507
You didn't read my favorite book, means you're dumb

>>11606543
>you don't believe in my religeous interpretation, means you're wicked
best way to spot the pseuds, imo

>>11606543
what book?

>>11606673
Whichever ones Foucault wrote.

>>11594889
WTF so what does this map mean? A 40 yo can go to one of those light blue countries and fuck those girls at that age? gross.

>>11606728
knowing about this very influential philosopher doesnt mean reading any of his book

>>11595101
>9
>Must be married
uhm... based?!

>>11606840
im pretty sure every penetration at age of 9 is harmful

>>11606816
>gross
tits or gtfo

>>11595101
fuck off with moralising, i asked about biology not about ethics

>>11605758
That’s a bad definition of natural.

>>11595775

>>11596245
>cannot consent
>"hey wanna fuck?"
>"sure"
Consent.

>>11595775
>>11596049
>>11596075
>>11599428
Morality is a spook and should never be treated as objective

>>11595687
The giant owl thing? Also this is /x/ territory

>>11595784
Not necessarily. Sexual attraction varies based on the individual and just because something is natural doesn't mean you are "brainwashed by society" for running with it.

paraphilia is not real, psychology is pseudoscience

>>11607344
>psychology is pseudoscience
incredibly based

>is sex with kids wrong because it's kinda weird?
it's wrong because children can't consent

>>11607376
can children consent to do gender transition? :D

>>11607394
It really is both or neither, and I lean towards both.

>>11607344
what about evolutionary psychology dude?