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learn the tones an phonenes first burger. chinese is literally one of the easiest languages on earth grammatically

you can learn the commonly used characters in a week. you can study their etymologies, which makes them much easier to remember

no idea why you think these languages that are quite distinct from each other are particularly hard. korean is a normal language, no ideograms. jap uses 3 different writing systems, and isn't grammatically turbo simple like chinese, so that one may pose the most problems for a learner. and easy phonemes and no tones tho, so learning to not sound like a retarded american is easier in jap

>>11572230
The difficulty of learning a new language depends on how different it is from your native language. IQ is not as important a factor here.

>>11572258
Well what about learning the insane amount symbols? I can't believe billions of people speak those languages from a young age, no wonder asians are smarter. Maybe this is literally why, because they're forced to memorize fuckloads of shit when they're really young so it develops their brain capacity.

>>11572230
Not very high considering the bug-people can do it.

>>11572276
they learn them slowly during the span of elementary and high school. learning the ideograms is easier for an adult. as said earlier you can literally do it in a week. this isn't a joke or an exaggeration

>>11572294
alright, I guess I know what I'm doing for the next week

...although you should make some anki deck or something after cramming them, because you will forget a good part of them eventually otherwise. in japan and china prisoners forget them during the years they don't have access to reading material

>>11572230
Chinese is easy except for the tones since you won't be used to it. Characters are easy and the grammar is nothing. People just get intimidated by it.
Korean writing is extremely easy but the grammar is harder.
Japanese has both difficult grammar and requires you to learn a large amount of characters which vary their pronunciations far more frequently than in Chinese. Japanese will almost always be the most challenging of these 3.
But idiots can learn all 3 no problem.
I'm a dickhead and learned them all, I learned Korean when I was 10, Japanese as a teenager and Chinese recently. I don't recommend learning Chinese though since employers will make you interact with more Chinese people and you'll lose your will to live.

I tried learning Japanese. The grammar is easy, but the goddamn motherfucking chinese characters are impossible to memorize. Fuck chine and thier goddamn hieroglyphics.

>>11572230
>What is the minimum IQ to learn one of these languages?
I never did an IQ test, just a PhD in Physics
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>Mine is 128 and I'm having a hard time with Chinese
I did 2 years in Japan as post doc and can confirm Nihongo is hard. I was only able to reach Nihongonouryokushiken levels 4 and 3.
Learning to enjoy Japanese green tea was easy, though.

0 since asian children learn it. All you have to do is go back in time and become a child again!

>>11572337
>chinese characters
Can confirm

I met a few telling me how easy it was. So purely to counter that, I learned this one: 鬱

>>11572346
That's actually easy once you know how to memorize them
It's normally just written as うつ anyway because it takes too long to write

The Asian takeover of the world is coming, and retards know it. Too bad asians are not attractive. I've had so many prostitutes on OnlyFans and just a few of them are Asian, all the rest are white. How did white people sexually select for attractiveness, but the more intelligent Asians didn't? I will never know. I guess it's all Genghis Khan's fault (their international hero)

>>11572346
fuck how many strokes is that?

>>11572364
>once you know how to memorize them
Okay, what is your secret, then?

>>11572372
The future is brown lmao

>>11572392
don't remind me. brown people are all gross-looking

>>11572389
probably memorizing by radicals or something, except 3/4 of the kanji don't make any logical sense radical wise so you're still memorizing
tree + tin-can + tree + cover + single strokes x5 = depression

>>11572389
It's not a secret, it's just what everyone does. Just remember the main few chunks. You'll learn enough characters you'll just spot them by sight and you'll recognise radicals and shit easily since they only ever appear in a few particular ways. It's not as if they just chuck these characters together from random strokes, so you can just remember the main bits. Instead of remembering 28 strokes just recognise the 6 or so pieces that it's made of.

>>11572392
>tfw Europe will be brown by 2050

>>11572404
>memorizing by radicals or something
Yes, that's how I was taught. It didn't work.

>>11572306
here's a good list, more frequent to less frequent, with the etymologies explained:
http://www.zhongwen.com/pinlu.htm
you can also use mnemonics, but learning the etymologies is almost the same effect

if you're talking about chinese i really recommend learning the tones and phonemes first tho if you don't want to sound like zuckerberg
>>11572337
>>11572346
>>11572389
etymology and mnemonics
genetickanji.com
website seems to be down but there are plenty of other options for the same stuff on google
>>11572318
>I don't recommend learning Chinese though since employers will make you interact with more Chinese people and you'll lose your will to live
lmao this

>>11572411
You have to learn enough characters first for it to be effective. It's the same as sight words in your native language. You'll be able to glance at a character and remember it right away eventually.

>>11572410
Europe is less brown than Ameirca, currently. Yet still poorer, somehow.

>>11572415
I guess I just didn't try hard enough. My threshold for difficulty was different back then than it is now.

>>11572418
European society has more welfare for the people so you have a more comfortable life at the expense of not making as much money.
At least until they decided open borders could coexist with our welfare state.

>>11572430
This is why Sweden had a social democrat party in charge for 90 years, until the borders opened and they fell out of power.

>>11572426
I'll give a dumb example so you know what I mean
If you know 木 then you don't memorize 林 or 森 stroke by stroke, you just remember them as being 2 or 3 of the one you already know, so even though the last one is 12 strokes it's not hard right
Same thing with all the more complicated ones. Just learn some basic ones first and don't worry about it. Then you'll get to a point when you're struggling to move up but it won't last too long. You'll start to see more and more familiar faces in the more complicated ones and it will all be ok for you. I'm really not lying or trying to show off, we all learn how to do this eventually and you're going to be just fine as long as you stick with learning what you can.

>>11572430
pretty soon learning mandarin characters will be mandatory for europe
europe is china's second colony after africa
that's what one belt one road is all about

>>11572445
Fuck I fucking love you right now. Thanks, guy

>>11572445
These are the trivial examples though. It works because the radicals are the semantic components of the things they represent. (forest, grove). It's not as straightforward for non ideographic things like "荷" (grass, person, possible = baggage?) Yes it's easier to recognize so it solves half the challenge, but it doesn't make the meaning any easier and you've still got to deal with multiple ON + the KN readings.

Why can't we force China to learn the Roman alphabet? It's so much easier. We still have the military might. We can use it to make them lose the goddamn hieroglyphics.

>>11572480
Because the modern Zhangs like to larp as the descendants of an ancient cultured civilization and their language is the only tie to when they actually had some achievements.

>>11572475
Your example is also trivial. Just the grass radical plus 何. These things go together in fixed ways. So the more characters you know it becomes easier to just combine stuff you know into a new character and you can remember a new character instantly.
Of course you have to learn the reading separately. This is how he should learn to recognise a character though.

>>11572486
Ancient Chinese are not Han. Western and northern Chinese even had red hair. Han just killed all the non Han until they were nearly the only Chinese left. Their main achievement is genocide.

>>11572496
Cite?

>>11572364
>That's actually easy once you know how to memorize them
Do you use Heisig Remembering the Kanji?
>It's normally just written as うつ anyway because it takes too long to write
Also a reason is that people can remember it for reading but not everyone can remember it well enough to write it, in my experience living in Japan.

>>11572383
29. It is brutal.

>>11572276
are you retarded look at english spelling it's far more inconsistent and you have no problem. kana are easier than alphabets and reformed recently enough that there's few inconsistencies. kanji are made of smaller parts which evoke concepts or phonetic information. in the case of japanese extra mileage is gotten out of kanji by combining with kana/context.

>>11572230
languages have nothing to do with IQ. a dedicated brain faculty is present to handle grammatical processing. a literal retard can learn, it's only their retardation that affects the quality and clarity of words chosen. indeed, because that faculty uses the same basics you pretty much already know other languages just the distribution and triggering of rules is different. it's trivial to change settings but it can be hard to adequately decouple languages so settings will get mixed up and mess up your languages.

>>11572276
>I can't believe billions of people speak those languages from a young age, no wonder asians are smarter.
Not sure about China, but in Japan you cannot expect anyone younger than 13 to read a normal newspaper. Youth rely on furigana to understand.

There is also a (controversial) theory in Japan that their use of ideograms (Kanji) as well as phonetic symbols (Kana) somehow exercises both halves of the brain and promotes intelligence.

>>11573880
>are you retarded look at english spelling it's far more inconsistent and you have no problem.
This argument is broken on many levels. First of all there are languages other than English that are more consistent, such as many Germanic languages. Secondly nobody said there are no problems with English. Why do you think we have US and UK spelling?
English has the advantage of being easy to get started with but after that it is plenty complex and full of inconsistencies.

>>11572230
It isn't about IQ, it's about having the systematic cognitive ability. If tou have it and live in the west, you are probably hardcore autist or otherwise considered defective.

>>11572230
Minimum IQ for these languages is 129. You're out of luck.

It isn't about IQ, it's about having the systemizing cognitive ability. If you have it and live in the west, you are probably hardcore autist or otherwise considered defective.

>>11572250
>>11573880

>learn the tones an phonenes first burger. chinese is literally one of the easiest languages on earth grammatically
Whites have literally no cognitive capacity to learn it see

>>11573910
Yes, thats a myth. Aspies/asians always use both hemispheres. It isn't because of the writing.

>>11572230
It isn't about IQ, it's about having the systemizing cognitive ability. If you have it and live in the west, you are probably hardcore autist or otherwise considered defective.

>>11572250
>>11573880

>learn the tones an phonenes first burger. chinese is literally one of the easiest languages on earth grammatically
Whites have literally no cognitive capacity to learn it seeabove.

>>11573910
Yes, thats a myth. Aspies/asians always use both hemispheres. It isn't because of the writing.

>>11572230
I think Japanese is a bit easier to start with, bit more structured and all, Chinese is kind of a fucking mess, it used to be even worse.

>>11572372
>The Asian takeover of the world is coming
Found one

>>11573949
That's the phonetic system used in Taiwan.

>>11573955
Could be, I learned it growing up in the bay area sort of. My family is from Taiwan, not sure how many others were. In any case I hear it's not used much anymore, though I dropped out of chinese school in like middle school.

>>11572480
>>11572486
Characters can be read much faster. I think it's because more information is packed in the line of the same length. Also there isn't that many words in chinese, you only need some hundred radicals and 3500 characters to read pretty much everything, so it's just not going to happen.

>>11572230
>only 128
Thats where you fucked up.
These asian people are very very smart it requires minimum 150 to learn mandarin after all like a billion people speak it.

>>11572230
It's not the IQ, it's more about your cognitive flexibility. Related but not the same.
English speakers are typically forced to be monolingual and when they grow up it could be too late.

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>>11575229
Linguistics is a "science"