/sci/ - Science & Math

Harvard is the best. If you get accepted you could do whatever you want. Have a sociology degree? YOU'RE AN ASTRONAUT. Dropout? YOU'RE THE NEXT PRESIDENT BOY.

Seriously. It's that pompous.

>>1156365
hohohohoho.

Harvard is the best University. If you're an immigrant you will definitely get in. Just score an 85 and up you'll be fine.

>>1156393
OP here. I'm pretty sure I'll need a 95 and higher.

>>1156365

In other words: never underestimate the value of a good network.

>>1156393

You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>1156399
Naw man you just need a 50 and a pocket full of dreams.

military academy? the fuck is that shit

>>1156342
did you know moot is a thief? www.anonfalk.se except t instead of f in the middle because moot is a psycho 406249405d66a5e94e5f1ac166235a9d

im a grad student at a public ivy.. and let me tell you, there hasnt been a single relevant paper --at least in the field of ecology or developmental biology-- that came from harvard. The public ivies are the best universities to study life sciences.

Now if you want to go to engineering and physics probably you should consider Berkeley, Caltech, UT Austin or Penstate.
Harvard, Princeton, Yale and UPen is where the Federal government agencies and corporations train their CEOs..

>>1156420
It's a university that is connected to a national forces regime. So like "Canada Military Uni" or "U.S. military Uni". You get military training on top of your academic studies plus they pay for it all and guarantee a career. The issue is that at some point, you must serve. As an engineer or an actual marksmen fighter pilot whatever, you must. for x years they state.

>>1156451
USMA - Westpoint
is the only academy that isnt packed with rednecks

>>1156439
What do you mean train their CEOs? The guy who helped design U.S. nukes was a Harvard graduate.

>>1156458
Well what If I want to be an Astronaut/Supersurgeon/CEO/Cowboy?

>>1156459
>>1156459
SO what?.. yeah sure probably 1 GUY, 40/50 years ago help to build the bomb.
i guess you are aware that the people that actually made the discoveries AAAND build the bomb where deported from Germany/Austria/East Euro and 1 from italy (Enrico Fermi)


This is why fucking harvard tuition is 40k a year. because dumb people like you think graduating from harvard is a big deal. Yeah.. sure its a good university, but the public ivies are in the same level in alot of fields, and probably in some they are even better.

>>1156499
Only a person from an ivy school that isn't Harvard would say such bullshit. It's 40 grand because you're being taught by people who invented your goddamn century.

>>1156499
Back to the fields prole.

>>1156517
>>1156517
im not saying is a crappy university.. im just saying that theres alot of school with the same level or even better in some fields that harvard.. and you dont need to pay 40k

>>1156344
The Ivy Leagues are great (especially the big three, Harvard, Yale, Princeton) and a degree from one of them will open doors to almost anywhere, but there are non-Ivy League that are just as prestigious. MIT, CalTec, Stanford are extremely good, but others that are still recognized as a selective degree include Johns Hopkins, other Ivy Leagues like Columbia or Brown, Berkley and maybe Northwestern or University of Chicago. For a list of great universities see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_university_affiliation..

good luck OP, world needs more hard working, driven science directed people

The Ivy league is like the Pac-10 or the SEC. It's simply a college sports conference. Many of the schools are top tier but they more or less function like any other top tier school.

The only real difference is that the American aristocracy tends to send their kids to the Ivy leagues so it can be easier to network with blue blood types.

>>1156527
You you are concerned only with education, then yes, there are a lot many institutions that will gave you a comparable or superior education. However these universities are where there is a high concentration of people of influence and connections. So if you want quick advancement and good opportunities it is good that you get exposed to these institutions.

>>1156538
This.

People don't realize that the Ivy league is more or less a sport league.

>>1156544
>>1156544
>>1156544
OP here. This is what I wanted to understand. I'm begging you. Please elaborate.

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>>1156576

>>1156344

High ranking universities are mainly useful for networking. These are the places that the children of the rich and famous go to study... also places where societies like the Skull and Bones recruit.

The thing is... networking at places like that is only useful if you are ALREADY a member of the upper class. If you are not then it's just a very expensive ordinary school. The people that graduate from those places and get cushy jobs don't do so because of where they graduated from they do so because of family connections.

A military academy will offer a far superior learning experience with better opportunity to work on top secret projects afterwards. Much like the 'social elite' the military can be a pretty closed society. Also if you hope to set up your own business afterwards the US military is the largest closed market in the world. People make a fortune just developing and selling technology to the US army.

Do neither because why should you support the disgusting military industrial complex that our empire has generated. You're scum.

>>1156576
Since you are very focused in the kind of work you want to do, you should check where do the agencies you are interested in hire from and what companies are working with the government in your projects of interest. Regardless, go for the "better" names in universities, like said here before, that is where the "cool kids" are at and if you have not learned this already: the people you know matter. If you don't believe anything of what has been said here I suggest you actually look at the histories of people with lives you want to aspire to.

>>1156527
what you're paying for:

the name
the education
the connections
the opportunities

you're young and stupid, so you hugely underestimate the power of "the name" and "the connections"

tl,dr; it's worth it

>>1156576
The Ivy League unis, being as old as the nation (just about), have the money to bring world-renowned faculty to its campus, giving you access to people who you normally could barely get an interview with. Then, you also get alumni connections that tend to be very high up in their respective firms and that can get you various advantages.

Ivy league? For hard/applied science?
Very few are good at that. These are liberal arts and business colleges.

>>1156627

Exactly.

Networking isn't just about skull and bones. Academic networking is also critical and elite universities have the highest concentration of super bad-asses. Simply put: they can afford them.

Actually, that's another good thing about the Ivy's. They have shit tons of endowment and shit tons of grant money. If you need money for research or a conference, you'll have an easier time getting it at a rich school. I had no idea how important this could be until grad school.

The other thing that no one's owning up to here is that there's a huge chance that you're going to want to be doing something completely different in four years. A top tier school (like an Ivy or anything in the top 20) will have you covered no matter what you decide to do.

OP here

So should I stick to military studying If I want to make a living designing rockets and aircrafts for the forces? Will I still have the opportunities as a Harvard man?

>>1156644
Check where the agency you want to work for usually hires from. Honestly, the gubbmint doesn't really tend to care all that much. I'm at a state school that's nowhere near Ivies in terms of reputation, but a lot of people get hired into federal jobs from my school.

>>1156623


Ivy league schools CAN ONLY get world renowned names.

most people do not understand how research works in an academic setting:

1) you just finished your post doc and you get a job at XXXX university as an associate professor.

you have no research group yet.

you are given an office and a startup grant. the startup grant is used to buy some chemicals/tools/computers/whatever BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO GET LAB SPACE

lab space is not simply allotted to you by the university. you actually have to pay them to rent it from them.

you pay them for the lab space itself (rent), A/c heating, hazmat, DI water, janitorial services, etc.

you also pay for instrument use for shit you cannot afford (like expensive spectrometers and related stuff that is not a specialty of your field requiring you to own one for yourself)


2) you accept a few graduate students, who work as TAs in order to get money

YOU (the PI) have to pay for their tuition, or you have to get them to win Grants or scholarships.

Graduate level education in the physical sciences in the US is "free" for the student (in other words, you are not expected to pay it out of pocket, and incredibly few people do this)

3) after a few years and several papers, you get another grant.

you are building prestige, and soon you get offered a job at Harvard

Problem?

harvard's Graduate tuition is 7 times as expensive as it is at a UC.

each graduate student will cost you about $70,000/year AT MINIMUM, and the lab will cost a shitload, AND you will have to pay for a bunch of other crap.


the only people who can afford to do research at Harvard and Yale are professors who have the prestige that will easily allow them to get multimillion dollar grants REGULARLY without having to sweat.

>>1156344
Military ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
IF YOU CAN GO TO A REAL UNIVERSITY GO!
THE MILITARY IS MOSTLY KIDS WHO ARE TOO STUPID TO GET COLLEGE PAID FOR!

STOP BEING A FAGGOT!

>>1156641
is Bumfuck State U better for hard/applied sciences? Really? Think again about the scientific advances made at Yale, Harvard, Cornell and Brown

>>1156644
>designing rockets and aircrafts
the only rocket scientist i know (works at JPL) got his BS and PhD from U. of Michigan in mechanical engineering.

The military doesn't design their own rockets/aircraft, they buy the planes, rockets and missles from companies like boeing and lockheed. NASA does their own design though.

>>1156644
>>1156644
>>1156644


Military loves to send their people back to school.

there are fucking shitloads of colones with PHDs in multiple different fields.


the problem is that you get PHDs from random "academies" and you basically have to make a name for yourself (most of the faculty are not very well known)

>>1156642
But what If I'm a Canadian which I am? Will I be called a moose rider and be given financial wedgies?

>>1156664
Watch out, your retard-level arrogance is showing, kid who isn't in the Ivy League. There's a difference between "bumfuck-u" that no one's ever heard of and a main state school.
Granted, not every state has good state schools.

>>1156659
The fuck? Buzz Aldrin refused a full-scholarship from MIT to study at West Point.

>>1156659
Apparently you've never heard of West Point.

>>1156700
OP here

Wasn't Aldrin not allowed to walk on the moon because he didn't go to MIT and that the MIT guys wanted to screw with his dreams?

>>1156700

West Point is a top tier school academically and is the best military school in the country.

>>1156700
I'm confused, do you want to be in the military or do you want to build rockets? because >>1156665

>>1156711
What about the Royal Military College of Canada?

>>1156710
Aldrin walked on the moon.

>>1156726
Sorry, West Point is special. Most other academies are just places for career soldiers.

>>1156724
I want to get the opportunities of being a experimental pilot

>>1156726
RMC has a pretty solid reputation, but unlike West Point, it's not in the country's top-tier.

>>1156731
Sorry I meant Collins.

>>1156711
>West Point is a top tier school academically

LAMO, SURE BRO SURE. I image it is in the top 100 sure, but its still towards the 90's, right after bumfuck U.

The Military is for fags, who are too poor and stupid to go to a real college

>>1156741
then go into the airforce/navy for fucks sake, you think astronauts are all scientists and engineers? at least do some research

every space mission has a flight crew (military pilots) and a specialist crew (scientists)

>>1156752
Well I live nearby it...

>>1156741
Then go to the Air Force Academy or join Air Force ROTC you stupid fuck.

Don't specialize too early. You will loose nothing by going to a top tier school that has good programs across multiple disciplines. Which top tier school doesn't matter.

The military institutions have their own cultures which many people wouldn't be able to deal with. Going to an MI is a lifestyle choice: it only makes sense if you like their lifestyle. If you have doubts that take the other route.

But seriously, you have no idea what you'll be doing in ten years. Give yourself as much flexibility as possible,

>>1156766
The flight crew are usually also scientists / engineers.