/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11555733
Wrong board, /pol/ is for you.
>Also
42%

>>11555733
I don't know anon, would you like to share your thought patterns with us?

>>11555733
Transgender people suffer from gender dysphoria. Their brain is structurally normal, it is purely mental issue, they feel that they do not belong to their sex no matter what sex they actually are. Sex change operation doesn't reduce suicide rate in transgender people.

Doesn't matter if they've got crossed wires in a shared sect of the brain, or the legitimate brain of the opposite sex in the wrong body. . . somehow.

Their body has the genitals it has and the belief that gender holds any significance toward anything in any way at all is a serious mental illness that needs psychotherapy and strong or stronger meds.

They should really get some help, and wealthy heterosexual women should stop enabling their bullshit alongside their cuck goons.

>>11555733
We need to advance this research to set transsexuals free.

More people should commit suicide so we can do more biopsies the let transgender finally reach what they are supposed to,

Gender dysphoria is a spiritual issue that science can't explain.

There exists "girl spirit" and "boy spirit", and some people find it revolting to act out one of those spirits, even if that spirit is typically forced onto their biological sex.

>>11556787
Transgender man that are not taking any transitional hormones, are required for blood test and we need brain of transsexual woman. ( gender they feel like )

>>11556788
Science explains it pretty well. Really well well well. But nobody would get cash for that explanation so we are letting it be.

>>11555733
Let's stop with the pseudoscience. Science cannot be extended beyond the realm of description! Biology is not an authoritarian ruler that controls language and the ways we identify ourselves. As human beings, we have the capacity to revolutionize the definitions of our concepts through technology and literature. In order to find, alternatives to what it means to be human, or to have a gender, and to make societies that are post-human and post-gender that do not fit within the current conceptions we have of those notions. I ask you all to consider the freedom to self-create! To invent and reinvent yourse!f :D

>>11556801
THANK YOU.

these edgelords don't realize that biology is only about genitals, chromosomes, etc. biology is male and female. It doesn't govern the socially constructed spirits of gender, such as "boy spirit" and "handsome man spirit" and girl spirit. Those are just personalities and characters that society decided to linked to sex.

Someone is gonna tell me i'm a full of shit basedboy.

>>11555733
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness that causes you to believe that you are in the wrong body for your self perceived sex.
It is somewhat similar to many other mental illnesses, like paranoia, which make you believe things are real which really aren't.

It seems a pretty awful illness and it deserves a good treatment. But just like telling a person suffering from paranoia that gang stalking really IS real and hiring actors to *actually* gang stalk him isn't a "treatment", so is bodily disfigurement and extremely invasive surgeries, coupled with irreversible puberty blockers, not a treatment.

>>11556808
>It doesn't govern the socially constructed spirits of gender
Yes. You are correct. The delusions that people build up around themselves, like paranoia or gender dysphoria, are not subject to biology, but to psychology.

I get this urge to howl during a full moon and like wearing fluffy anal buttplugs. I guess my brain's just wired differently. And that's just science, brother! Going on about "statistically significant genomic deviation doesn't imply causation" and "genetic predisposition doesn't necessitate behaviours" blah, blah blah.... is just unadulterated bigotry. Medical experts agree!

>>11556819
Actually you may be paranoid by the biological side of the coin... Just some collapse in some glands and you're full blown schizo.

>>11556815
Your example isn't congruent. Someone suffering from paranoia that they are being stalked will not feel happy or relieved from outside/3rd party affirmation that that they are in fact being stalked.

The "goal" of a transgender patient is for the world to recognize them as their preferred gender, and hormone treatments and surgeries are just means for that end.
>but then why are trannies still killing themselves after surgeries?
1. It's hard to come to terms with the fact that although you can fool the whole world into thinking you're the opposite sex, you will still know for the rest of your life that you were born as your birth sex. Your body will never function like a typical member of the opposite sex.
2. Honestly, the technology available for transgender patients is nowhere near perfect. Some people will never pass no matter how much money they have -- see caitlyn jenner.

>>11555733
>so do trannies actually have the brain of the opposite sex?
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

>>11556943
>Someone suffering from paranoia that they are being stalked will not feel happy or relieved from outside/3rd party affirmation that that they are in fact being stalked.
Of course they will, to an extent, be relieved to have enablers. Probably similar to the relief trannies feel when Dr. Phuong yanks their balls out of their sockets somewhere deep in the jungles of Apocalypse Now.

>>11557046
I'm honestly just curious, why do people hate trannies so much?

Is it because of the "fairy and wolf are genders" tumblrs? Is it because of actual predators like Jessica Yaniv trying to pass off molesting children as "progressive activism"? Is it because of some traditionalist bullshit about how male and female humans should just play their natural reproductive roles? is it because you only see the trenders and not just the people trying to make their lives a little more bearable?

For example, say you have a coworker who looks like a man, thinks like a man, sounds like a man, acts like a man, and has the interests of a man. You discover some legal documents that state their sex as female. Is it enabling them to refer to them as a man after finding out their birth sex?

>>11556943
>will not feel happy or relieved from outside/3rd party affirmation that that they are in fact being stalked.
What? They certainly seek affirmation that their delusions are real.
Just watch some gang stalking YouTube videos, these people want nothing more then others accepting that they are truly being stalked.

>The "goal" of a transgender patient is for the world to recognize them as their preferred gender, and hormone treatments and surgeries are just means for that end.
Exactly.

Both want nothing, but their delusions validated by others.

>>but then why are trannies still killing themselves after surgeries?
I didn't ask that question, but the answer is COMPLETELY obvious if you have seen some trans people who don't spend 20 hours a day styling themselves or are above the age of 30.

>>11557096
>why do people hate trannies so much?
They don't. I mean I do not think I could actually hate them any more than the medical establishment already does.

Imagine going to your mental doctor because you feel trapped into your own body, but instead of getting treatment you are put on life altering pills and your body is permanently mutilated. You manage to put up with that for a couple of years and even manage to look a bit like a women, but as you age you realize that you are a literal Frankenstein's monster and will never be an actual women so you decide to end it all.

I mean HONESTLY. I couldn't have come up with a torture that cruel even if I tried for years.

>For example, say you have a coworker who looks like a man, thinks like a man, sounds like a man, acts like a man, and has the interests of a man. You discover some legal documents that state their sex as female. Is it enabling them to refer to them as a man after finding out their birth sex?
Nobody cares about F to M's, at least no male will.

Other people gate them because they are a very small but very obnoxious community. Everybody going on about "respect my pronouns" and we need a "state enforced right that nobody is allowed to call me by these words" is just making the rest of the world hate them.
If they were just trying to be normal men/women they would shut up and if someone "misgendered" them ask them to please call them something different, but instead we need TRANS VISIBILITY everywhere.

>>11557100
GID/Gender dysphoria is not a delusion. Transgender people don't believe something that is objectively not true, unlike your example.

Transgender people feel distressed because their sex does not reflect their gender identity, and so they can't live a typical life of someone whose sex does match their gender. To alleviate this distress, they often choose treatments that will lead to their life experience more closely resembling someone whose sex does match their gender. There are also people who choose to repress the pain and instead try to be "normal" -- coercing their gender identity to match their sex.

Frankly I don't see the harm in allowing transgender people who have tried their utmost at being a normal person of their preferred gender in society to be referred to as a member of that gender in casual/normal, day to day interactions.

>>11557119
>is not a delusion
By itself it is not. But if you are trying to convince yourself and others that you are a biological female, when you aren't, it is.

>Transgender people feel distressed because their sex does not reflect their gender identity, and so they can't live a typical life of someone whose sex does match their gender. To alleviate this distress, they often choose treatments that will lead to their life experience more closely resembling someone whose sex does match their gender. There are also people who choose to repress the pain and instead try to be "normal" -- coercing their gender identity to match their sex.
And?

>Frankly I don't see the harm in allowing transgender people who have tried their utmost at being a normal person of their preferred gender in society to be referred to as a member of that gender in casual/normal, day to day interactions.
If someone asked me if I would use their terms to refer to them I probably would, although as things are going I might not, purely out of spite for the people trying to legally enforce that.
But that really isn't an issue.

>>11557111
>Nobody cares about F to M's, at least no male will.
Why? What if I changed my example to be the same thing, but replace "man" with "woman"?

>If they were just trying to be normal men/women they would shut up and if someone "misgendered" them ask them to please call them something different, but instead we need TRANS VISIBILITY everywhere.
The majority of trans people are in fact just trying to be normal men/women. You are right that there is a very vocal minority of LGBT groups that are like this. I can tell you that those people are very much hated within more mature LGBT communities because they make people who are just trying to exist look like absolute clowns.

So you're not wrong to think that part of the community is obnoxious -- they are. But I wish people in general would realize that they don't represent LGBT people.

>>11557122
Believing you are biologically female when you are in fact male (or vice versa) is indeed a delusion. But no one believes this. This is one of the most common misconceptions about transgender people. But it's a misconception

>And?
I was explaining why it was not a delusion.

>If someone asked me if I would use their terms to refer to them I probably would, although as things are going I might not, purely out of spite for the people trying to legally enforce that.
That's kind of an asshole thing to do. Someone is just trying to exist as a normal person and you're gonna do something hurtful to them on purpose just to stick it to some other people advocating for some dumb shit?

>>11557128
>Why?
It seems intuitively clear to me. I think the main point is that there is no sexuality involved if you know a F to M person, so it is very easy to treat him normally. But on the other hand if you are around an M to F Person sexual feelings may come up at any point, and those will inevitably at some point run into the issue that one person is not a biological female.

>So you're not wrong to think that part of the community is obnoxious -- they are. But I wish people in general would realize that they don't represent LGBT people.
The issue always is that people can only react to what they see. I can not say that I am "involved" in the trans community, so inevitably most of what I see of it will be what the loudest have to say.
But what the loudest have to say is obviously also what the law makers hear and I do think that some of those ideas are really bad.

>>11557153
But the person I made up for the situation is supposed to be someone you have a professional or casual acquaintance relationship with. So no, there is no sexuality implied in my example.

But yes, things are totally different in the dating world. Generally, if you are trans, it is the right thing to do to tell the other person as early as possible that you are trans. By "as early as possible" I mean if you are being hit on, or if you are trying to ask someone out, or even as late as first date or something. But not after that. It's obviously a deal breaker for many people and it's wrong to lead someone on. If you pursue a romantic relationship with someone but refuse to tell them you're trans, you are both a shitty person and putting yourself in danger.

>>11557133
>and you're gonna do something hurtful to them on purpose just to stick it to some other people advocating for some dumb shit?
I am just saying that the fastest way for me to stop respecting trans people is by trying to legally enforce my respect for them.

>>11557172
>So no, there is no sexuality implied in my example.
But the potential for it is always there. But again, this is mostly my intuitive feeling, so hard to explain or maybe false.

>>11557187
I mean I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't think it should stop you from having the "I can treat them normally" mentality if the person was MTF.

After all, assuming the trans person isn't a pos, if any romantic or sexual feelings start, they would quickly tell you "Hi Anon, I'm trans" and you can quickly decide whether that's a dealbreaker or not. Nothing lost, you aren't "tricked" or blindsided or anything.

Gender is a social construct, there is no difference between men and women.

>>11557218
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Not a single link to any scientific study, nothing but /pol/ memes around here. If you are going to impersonate /sci/entists, you should at least put some effort in it.

The basic tenets of transgender theory collapse on themselves when taken to their logical conclusions. This is because the entire framework is not grounded in reality and is rather the product of the never ending pursuit of easy wish fulfillment
One of them, for example:
>There is no difference between a trans woman and a "real" woman!!!!1!
If 'trans' and 'cis' are equal and completely the same, why do trans people need to transition? Isn't simply existing enough for them to qualify as a their perceived gender? Because, if they need to transition, that means that they acknowledge that there IS a fundamental difference that must be forcefully erased. And whenever these lunatics try to "transition" they almost always end up looking like sexist caricatures of cisgendered people. Why can't a woman have a beard and a penis? Why can't a man have e cup breasts and a vagina? According to trans theory, both of those are valid, and yet we almost never ever see it for some peculiar reason... except with queers, but that's a different discussion.
There is nothing morally wrong with crossdressing, or acting like the opposite sex. Although it is strange and is usually a red flag for other mental issues, the practice in in of itself is not problematic. The issue arises when these people try to change reality and call you a bigot when you call them out on their BS, and when they prey on confused teenagers to try and sway them to their delusional cult.

This trans bullshit is so stupid and has gotten so out of hand. Most people just say they support trans people for the sake of performative allyship. No one genuinely believes trans people are the sex they transition to, even trans people don't believe it, which is why they're constantly seeking validation, and act aggressive or even violent towards anyone who uses the wrong pronouns.

The dumbest thing about all of this is that another kind of body dysphoria like anorexia is treated with careful monitoring and therapy until the patient's mentality appears to improve, but the moment some dude wonders what it would feel like to wear a dress in public he's hooked up by the veins to horse piss and wasting his every waking hour doing shit makeup until he inevitably kills himself at 30.

The question you need to ask is, what happens to the career of anybody whose science says the "wrong thing?"

A pre-determined conclusion that you're not allowed to challenge is not and never will be scientific.

>>11557119
Then why do they keep feeling distressed, even after butchering themselves to "change" gender. IMAO, even if humanity had perfect gender swapping biotech they would keep changing genders because as you said their problem is not their biological gender by it self but their anxiety and sexual distress.


>>11557797
It's a trend. I'm guessing that most of today transformers become like that because of social influence. Although, there is also the theory that plastics and other chemicals are screwing with people's hormones.


>>11557819
Real science would not give a shit. Unfortunately science can be censored by simply not being funded once it becomes too unpopular or "unimportant".

>>11556801
Incredibly based transhumanist poster

>>11555733
>so do trannies actually have the brain of the opposite sex?
yes
but people mistakenly believe changing the body to the gender of the brain is the correct treatment.
the correct treatment is to change the gender of the brain to the gender of the body

>what does the science say?
>this many replies
>not a single source or fact
inb4 academia are Jews

>>11556801
>>11556808
Socially constructed does not mean 'just make up shit bro', quite the opposite, it's exactly that you can't make up shit independently and are restricted to social conditioning/currency. More importantly your made up shit doesn't affect what others think and perceive. Culture is not trendy ideas but a fundamentally embedded worldview and framework of terms incrementally developed over millions of years. A lot of it is near-imperceptable because it itself is the logic you use to perceive. The stuff that isn't is meaningless and obvious like clothing, which has nothing to do with the fundamental way you reason and parse the world on top of your senses/cognition.

Though in that case there doesn't seem to be anyone just saying that yea men can wear dresses and still be normal men, it's just clothing. No, instead it's 'i'm actually a woman' or 'you're a crossdresser' or 'you're a sexual fetishist'. So even if a man is wearing clothes in a normal sense, others will impose the genderedness making him one of the above regardless of what he thinks (and likely influence him to become one of the above anyway, indeed you could safely assume 99.9% would be by default). Crossdressing for women doesn't even exist because woman can pretty much wear whatever they want, including male underwear, and it's not a problem. There's no disparity between female body and supposedly male clothing. I'm aware there are women who 'crossdress' but this is so weak to nonexistent in impact that it isn't really. No one would think that it's male clothing and weird. There is no male clothing, more like a binary of female clothing and unisex clothing. That is to say, women don't really have gendered clothes as gender means nothing in this case but men (very strictly) do, 20th-21st century is the narrowest and strictest it's ever been.

As for trannies, they are neither biologically, behaviourally, or socially female so I don't know what you mean by muh social constructivism.

>>11559669
>inb4 academia are Jews
they literally are tho and liars.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Norse/comments/91gplq/misconception_tuesday_again_intermission/e2xwifu/

>>11555733
>Claim 1: Gender is a social construct
>Claim 2: Trannies have the brain of the opposite sex and must be treated as such

So, transgendered people's brain is in a state that only exist as a social construct.

Claim 2 is really clashing with claim 1.

>opposite

Gender in the brain isn’t binary. Some people are more masculine and some are more feminine most fall somewhere in the middle but we’re able to adapt to conventional social norms.
Transgender people are on the extreme end of that scale, but oposite of their physical sex.

>>11555733
A tiny number of people do. These people are honest to goodness cases of having gender dysphoria. Everyone else? Trans-trender.

>>11560079
>Transgender people are on the extreme end of that scale, but oposite of their physical sex.
Yeah, no, I'll need a source for that extraordinary claim.

>>11560079
Gonna need some good evidence for the "not binary" claim. Ass, titties, muscle density, sexual organs, chromosomes and DNA clearly suggests humans are sexually dimorphic, not trimorphic.
There really is no other space to take up as both genders are specialized, but internally diverse. All modern gender "theory" is based around psychology hogwash and quackery, it really shouldn't be referred to as theory since it's just pure conjecture. This shit is getting worse than miasma theory, with even less reproducibility and no fucking connection to any actual science. Just imagine - this post presents the same amount of actual evidence as the pea brained believers of this malicious cult do when they sterilize 10 year old boys and girls.
>tl;dr: kys

>>11560097
>extraordinary claim
What part of that is extraordinary?
It’s practically the same thing as what OP said, except non-binary gender scale suggests maybe everyone is a little trans? Relax dude, unless you’re willing to kill yourselve over it then your masculinity is secured. You’re masculine enough.

>>11560143
The part that says transwomen have extremely feminine brains and vice versa.

>>11560143
Brains are imperfect, we get it. But this supposed scale of "gender" really needs some proper verification in the form of brain connectome scans. We would expect to see brains lump up in two bell curves, one is female brain structure, and one is male. Transgender theory then suggests we would see some not insignificant overlap, and overall broader distribution in both curves to allow for the so called "spectrum". There is nothing emperical about conjecture regarding "gender identity". One of the damn subjects of study that supposedly "proved" gender is a social construct killed himself with a shotgun.
John Money is supposedly the farther of modern gender theory and his own fucking subject blew his brains out.

>>11560157
The entire thing is just an exercise in the Marxist true believer mindset that requires human beings to be infinitely malleable against our nature, or else the whole exercise of a Communist Utopia is impossible.

Guess why they're so into this transgenderist bullshit.

>>11560157
>own subject comitted suicide
Being transgender is hard cause not only do they gotta contend with their gender dysphoria, but they’re also constantly being gaslit by society.

Seriously, if the entire world tried to convince you we’re insane, how long till that drives you insane enough to kill yourself? Gaslighting is real and happens way more often than people are aware of.

>>11560079
Just because there is variation in perceived "maleness" or "femaleness" doesn't mean there gender isn't "binary".

>most fall somewhere in the middle
This is TOTALLY non-obvious and that is an extraordinary claim.
Far more likely it seems is that males vary around one peak and females vary around a different peak.

That all is assuming that this is even meaningful at all and that the spectrum's can be measured at all and isn't just the result of ordinary variation in the brain, being expressed essentially randomly in any given environment.

>>11555733
v

>>11555733
they have schrodinger's cat brain with >>11555741 chance rate.
https://youtu.be/6Fanea5kcfg

>>11556717
>Their brain is structurally normal, it is purely mental issue
Imagine saying 2 contradictory things side by side.

>>11560180
They botched a circumcision when he was a child, and Money saw an opportunity. He made the parents agree to a reassignment surgery and the boy was to be brought up as a girl. Cognitive dissonance and other mental issues drove him to suicide, as his body was well aware something was wrong, so apparently the body and brain knows when it's male(who woulda thunk). His brother even spoke out about it, but no one has listened and countless children have been sterilized and mutilated since then. There is no excuse for our inaction in stopping this insanity.

>>11556717
+ factor in the low testosterone / higher estrogen levels (caused by unhealthy diet, "fem-onions", phthalates and whatnot) + the issue may be far more deeply rooted into our DNA's legacy regulatory mechanisms of of feminizing males that are in state of deep loneliness, that are present in several reptile/fish species we share a common ancestor with. Even homo sapiens males, in case of extreme situations of no females around can develop functional mammary glands to, say, feed the offspring that has been left without a mother and no one else around to care for it.

Of course, there's also a propaganda machine, driven by such patient zeroes that exacerbate spread of perceived dysphoria among lonely (transitory state of mind) and / or malleable persons (it's much easier to convince a child than a grown adult).

>>11560207
they're not contradictory. You can have perfectly functional neurons that are firing up the "wrong" (from a perspective of traditional heterosexual relationship our species have been shaped for) ideas.

>>11555733

I worked at a LGBT youth center i'm straight and got to hear from thousands of young gays what caused these feelings and it was abuse or molestation overall and outside influence like the gay community telling them they are just "gay" thats why they don't like the opposite sex not the trauma.

Trannies are from molestation, mental illness, sexual fetish or cope sometimes all of them. The fact that trannies entire image is based on current male or female fashion make it more of sexual fetish currently. Womens only fashion is entirely derived from males old fashion skirts, dresses, makeup, heels, jewellery accessories were all male fashion before and some parts of the world still are, even womens lingerie designed by males were derived from jockstrap type underwear used in sports or horse riding, loin clothes...

In some cultures like in Albania if there isn't a enough men for farm work they raise one of the tomboy daughters as a male. The interesting part is these women end up looking like bull dykes but don't turn lesbian and many will still try to marry a man. Despite LGBT saying if that person felt like a boy should of turned out gay but, it goes to show being gay isn't just "nature".

Females that want to dress like men were 100% molested and dress like males do to childhood trauma triggers from female oriented activities they are absolutely terrified of males deep down so they make themselves unappealing on purpose.

Trannies entire identity of the opposite sex is hinged on whats popular for the the other sex but, not actually what makes the opposite sex a male or female which is a long list of biological differences beyond brain structure sexual stimulating nerves on womens nipples and thighs. . With the rise of porn and demoralization of young males has created a publicly accepted sexual fetish. Personally think rich people promoting is because many seem to having a thing for trannies, so they get off on the fact they are creating boi pussies.

a little bit of column a, a little bit of column b. i doubt anything major will come out against intersex brain theory given the current state of academia

>>11555733
No it's pure mental illness of sex abuse at young ages.

>>11560261
Such an underreported crime. But it explains the amount of self harming behavior in gay and transsexual circles. Mass orgies, drugs, fetishization of HIV, huge numbers of partners, self mutilation and suicidal tendencies. They obviously need some kind of help we haven't invented yet.

if he/she has had the hormonal profile of the opposite sex (or something close to it) since birth then yes, their brain would be closer to the other sex but not entirely the same.
if he is a guy that likes to jerk off wearing panties then no

>>11560297
Yes mental illness is greatly diminished for its importance to even function by far being the most widespread illness that healthy people even develop and doesn't have to be done purely through pills. Self harm from trauma in the past was often diminished by religion, gives them a sense of a community and a support structure, able to talk to someone like confession , prayer is a form of meditation, hope for the future and given meaning, a lot of functions in a normal Church I found had underlining trauma therapy which is why so many drug addicts become jesus freaks and in my experience those in the gay community who became part of a well rounded Church did become much happier after coming back to the youth center.

I know people like to cite the worst parts of certain religion or point out the worst ones like islam but good hearted religions are good for society especially for women since they get their moral ques from their social groups.

>>11560379
Wholeheartedly agree, religion is very conductive to the mental health of some people. And to broader society it gives rigid moral structures protected from "rationalization". It baffles me how people can just chose to outphase ancient cultural systems, like they don't expect a vaccum of unfulfilled needs to be created. Or maybe they do, but try to twist it in their favor and replace the religion with ideology to create cult like followers.

>>11556788
fag

>>11556808
Full of shit basedboy

>>11557119
>GID/Gender dysphoria is not a delusion
Correct

>To alleviate this distress, they often choose treatments that will lead to their life experience more closely resembling someone whose sex does match their gender.
THAT is the delusion

>There are also people who choose to repress the pain and instead try to be "normal" -- coercing their gender identity to match their sex.
And THIS is the cure.

>>11555733
>>>/lgbt/

>>11560226
>Even homo sapiens males, in case of extreme situations of no females around can develop functional mammary glands to, say, feed the offspring that has been left without a mother and no one else around to care for it
What the fuck, what's a source for this? Has it ever been observed? How does the mechanism even work? I mean, how can the body understand at such a "low level" that there's no females around.

>>11556792
Explain it to us then. We don't care about money here.

>>11555733
coming here for true data and info is a nightmare in and of itself. welcome to a bunch of crap to sort through but i guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

>>11555733
furries have human animal hybrid brains. lul. gimme a break. this neurology stuff is b.s. and you know it.

>>11560261
>tfw no strong Albanian tomboy farmer gf

>>11557541
>>There is nothing morally wrong with crossdressing
You may as well claim there is nothing wrong with blackface, because it's the same damn thing. Offensively imitating something you're not.

>>11561900
I know that's physically possible, because I saw a vid of an actual (obviously, non-pregnant) mtf tranny to lactate his tits.

Before that I've read about it somewhere ages ago, like, in 2008, maybe. I presume the mechanism is entirely self-regulatory - i.e. the brain informs the body that it's severely depressed over prolonged period of time (from loneliness or some other traumatic event), body drops testosterone, fires up production of estrogen and/or prolactin and voila.

>>11555733
we already know the mentally ill have brains with observable differences
>dilate