/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11545663
Whole food plant based, Vegan

>>11545663
For a redditfag like you? Giga so.ylus maximus ultra zero drink.

>>11545663
Cum

>>11545663
Eating everything, in moderation.

>>11545676
:c

>>11545682
found the plebbit aristotle faggot

>>11545663
>>11545667

> Here are their problems and why they usually quit:

> Some basics on vegetarians:
https://archive.is/uv5A6

> Vegans are deficit in B12:
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/784788
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16219987

> High fiber diets reduce serum half life of vitamin D3:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6299329

> Vegans have weaker bones due to lower calcium intake and vitamin D3 levels:
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/486478
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21092700

> Vegans have a worse memory compared to non vegans due to creatine deficiency in vegans:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118604
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14561278

> Vegans have less gains compared to non vegans:
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/6/1032.full

> Vegans are deficient in omega threes:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16087975
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16188209
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323090
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323085

> Vegans are deficit in carnitine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21753065
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2756917
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1628441/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11043928

> Vegans are deficient in taurine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3354491

> Vegans are deficient in iodine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12748410
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21613354

> Vegans are deficient in Coenzyme Q10:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16873950

> Vegans are deficient in iron due to the fact that iron from plant sources is less bioavailable than iron from meat sources:
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iron-HealthProfessional/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11269606

>>11545663
>>11545667
>>11545720

> Vegans are deficient in vitamin A:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19103647
http://m.jn.nutrition.org/content/137/11/2346.full
http://healthybabycode.com/why-you-cant-get-vitamin-a-from-eating-vegetables (studies linked in the article)
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091118072051.htm
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/betacarotene.htm
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/6/1545.full
http://www.fasebj.org/content/23/4/1041.full
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/beta-carotene-vitamin-a-myth
http://empoweredsustenance.com/true-vitamin-a-foods
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-vagary
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-saga
https://philmaffetone.com/vitamin-a-and-the-beta-carotene-myth

> Calcium in Rats:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3183773

> Magnesium and Oxalates:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15035687

> Vegans have a lower sperm count than non vegans:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257705/

> Vegans have lower testosterone than non vegans:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772
http://m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

> Veganism causes loss of libido and erectile dysfunction:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476

> Children who are raised on strict vegan diets do not grow normally:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4067152
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8005079

> Children develop rickets after prolonged periods of strict vegetarian diets:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874810/pdf/canmedaj01383-0052.pdf

> "There are some links between vegetarians and lower birthweight and earlier labour."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7788369

>>11545663
>>11545667
>>11545724

> Effects of vitamin B12 and folate deficiency on brain development in children:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3137939/

> "Particular attention should be paid to adequate protein intake and sources of essential fatty acids, iron, zinc, calcium, and vitamins B12 and D. Supplementation may be required in cases of strict vegetarian diets with no intake of any animal products."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/

> These next five are case studies:

> Cerebral atrophy in a vitamin B12-deficient infant of a vegetarian mother:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25076673

> Severe megaloblastic anemia in child breast fed by a vegetarian mother:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8442642

> Consequences of exclusive breast-feeding in vegan mother newborn - case report:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19748244

> Nutritional vitamin B12 deficiency in a breast-fed infant of a vegan-diet mother:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3948463

> "We report the case of a 7 month-old girl that presented with acute anemia, generalized muscular hypotonia and failure to thrive. Laboratory evaluation revealed cobalamin deficiency, due to a vegan diet of the mother."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18293883

> Most recent studies using more sensitive techniques for detecting B12 deficiency have found that 68% of vegetarians and 83% of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 5% of omnivores:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816782
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10966896
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10552882

> On paper, calcium intake is similar in vegetarians and omnivores (probably because both eat dairy products), but is much lower in vegans, who are often deficient:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21139125
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/3/543s.full

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>>11545727
I'm not a vegan but dude, how much of a try hard fag do you have to be to post all this shit? You think OP is gonna read this? Holy shit lol
>Types up a massive wall of text
>Carefully curated sources
>Nobody is gonna read it
Yikes

>>11545663
>>11545667
>>11545727


> Vegetarians and omnivores have similar levels of serum iron, but levels of ferritin—the long-term storage form of iron—are lower in vegetarians than in omnivores:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871479

> Fruits and Vegetables:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12064344

> This is significant, because ferritin depletion is the first stage of iron deficiency. Moreover, although vegetarians often have similar iron intakes to omnivores on paper, it is more common for vegetarians (and particularly vegans) to be iron deficient. For example, this study of 75 vegan women in Germany found that 40% of them were iron deficient, despite average iron intakes that were above the recommended daily allowance:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14988640
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.long

> many plant foods that contain zinc also contain phytate, which inhibits zinc absorption. Vegetarian diets tend to reduce zinc absorption by about 35% compared with omniovorous diet:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.long

> Thus, even when the diet meets or exceeds the RDA for zinc, deficiency may still occur. One study suggested that vegetarians may require up to 50% more zinc than omnivores for this reason:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.long

> The Naive Vegetarian:
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html#.WTTqMNwlEqT

> Onions decreases your testosterone:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15735098
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/10798211/

> Eating meat increases testosterone:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11103227

> Why you need dietary cholesterol:

> Very great total picture kind of lecture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1XsO3mxX8

>>11545734
>YIKES

>>11545663
Fast food is good enough unless you're a faggot

>>11545750
Haha I was just pretending to be retarded. Got you

>>11545663
>>11545667
>>11545747

> Saturated Fat Finally Vindicated in Long Buried Study:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/04/25/saturated-fat-finally-vindicated.aspx

> Medium Chain Triglyceride Oil Consumption as Part of a Weight Loss Diet Does Not Lead to an Adverse Metabolic Profile When Compared to Olive Oil:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874191/

> Why you need cholesterol for testosterone:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/435773-cholesterol-testosterone/

> Saturated Fat:
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.short
http://journals.co-action.net/index.php/fnr/article/view/31694

> Humans evolved a specific hunting mechanism recently:
https://www.nature.com/news/baseball-players-reveal-how-humans-evolved-to-throw-so-well-1.13281
https://phys.org/news/2013-06-chimps-humans-baseball-pitcher.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y__4xX8xp8

> Very wide and diverse amounts of similar research and current scientific consensus (look at the links at the bottom):
https://examine.com/nutrition/will-eating-eggs-increase-my-cholesterol

> Exercise lowers cholesterol:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2297284
http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/features/exercise-to-lower-cholesterol

> Europeans can probably digest fat better than other races:
https://www.nap.edu/read/11537/chapter/13 (also a generic good read on dietary cholesterol and dieting)
https://archive.is/HD6UZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRELldIuZyM
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/04/did-europeans-get-fat-neandertals

> Giant read through summarizing dietary protein:
http://www.catalystathletics.com/articles/downloads/proteinDebate.pdf

> Another giant read through as to why you are a lazy fuck and should move more (very high quality, provided by the EU):
http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/content/ehj/37/29/2315.full.pdf

>>11545760
ANON BTFO

>>11545764
You may have defeated me today, but I'll be back.

>>11545663
>>11545667
>>11545763

> It is not economically friendly, nor important for the world to forgo meat as we have a surplus of retarded niggers on this planet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubGzbj59_Xs

> How to go through paywall articles:
https://mg.scihub.ltd/

And finally,

> FREE EXTRA BONUS LINKS:
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/70/3/543s/4714998
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12936959
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/78/3/633S/4690005
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/82/2/327/4862944
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-on-trial-does-vitamin-a-cause-osteoporosis/

>>11545720
This fucking idiot again. How can I filter this idiot? All the studies he posted are about people who eat a very restrictive diet, not typical vegans.

Why are you so butthurt? Did a vegan rape you?

>>11545663
do your own research and nitpick articles

for each article against X-diet, there will be a article in support of X-diet

there isn't a straight answer

There's evidence caloric restricion helps you live longer and healthier. So eat a little bit of everything but only when you have to.

>>11545896
>There is ev-
>Source: My prolapsed anus from my wife's boyfriend bull
Nice try faggot.

>>11545663
the best diet for destroying humanity would be eating finely ground baby burgers every meal for the rest of your life

>>11545909
nobody:
anon: you retard nice try faggot

>>11545925
Who replies like this except twitterards? KYS

>>11545790
>nooooo!! don't post scientific articles which contradict my politically correct sọyboy brainwashing!!! NOOOOO!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! I CAN'T STAND IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT CLOSE MY EYES TO THE TRUTH!!!!!!!! PLEASE MAKE IT GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

>*unzips orange juice*

>>11545734
>You think OP is gonna read this?
That is the point of their wall, no one will look at them
A lot of their links are old, and some don't even refer to their claim
Also nutritional science, as a field, can pretty much be ignored. It's been corrupted by industry since its inception
>>11545663
>What is the best diet?
The (you) diet. Everyone is different. Start a food journal if you really care about it

>>11545790
Why are you angry?

The paleo diet, even though the concept is dubious at best, the content in the diet is objectively physiologically superior to all other diets.

>>11545909
>>11545937
>>11546155
imagine being this mad

>>11545720
i love you bro, vegans btfo'd eternally.

>>11545790
Fucking rekt

>>11546155
>reposts the same debunked "studies" over and over
>gets called out again and again
I'm not even vegan you faggot. Apply some cream to your anus to ease the pain.

>>11546310
Why are you gay?

>>11545663
I think research is pointing too your eating schedule being more important than what you eat (as long as you are not missing out major essential things you need)

>>11545663
Eat whatever but count your calories. Never exceed what your limit is and then adjust your diet accordingly to make sure you don't feel hungry all the time.

>>11545720
>> Vegans are deficient in omega threes:
Literally the only known effect is that the body starts manufacturing omega nines as a replacement.

>>Vegans are deficient in iodine:
I don't see how that could be possible
>> Vegans are deficient in iron due to the fact that iron from plant sources is less bioavailable than iron from meat sources:
Too much iron makes you ill.
>> Vegans are deficient in vitamin A:
How likely it is that vegans eat less green veggies than meat eaters?

>>11545747
Corona kills people with high ferritin levels.

>>11545763
I can't throw, therefore I'm a herbivore.

>>11548023
*red veggies

>>11545663
Quick rundown on "Is coffee good for you"?

>>11545663
Meat and organs

>>11548907
A /fit/zen posted this question every day with this image, after a while several people started to imitate him and then started the threads using images of hot girls

>>11545734
This post reeks of reddit-tier vegan faggotry.

>>11546327
>old > new
Fuck off grug

Bats, lizards, and rhino horn powder

>>11547067
>debunked
Which do you claim has been debunked?

>>11548023
>Too much iron makes you ill.
Too much water makes you ill. Your point?

>>11545663
For what?

Losing weight? Maintaining weight? Building muscle mass? Preparing for an Athletic event? Your health in general?

>>11545663
Vitamin pills + sugar water every day.
Nothing else.

>>11545663
Sperm diet

>>11550355
Pretty much all the studies he linked worked with very small N, some of them look at extremely restricted religious diets (people only eating oats and drinking apple juice) and just call it vegan despite average vegans eating quite balanced diets. Many of them ignore people who supplement.
The only ones which aren't very obvious shitshows are the ones about iodine deficiency and B12, but the latter also mentions that this can be easily combatted with supplements and that meat eaters are often also deficient.
The one about iron deficiency is also good, but does mention that vegans and vegetarians need less iron.
One of them says zinc is lower in vegans and vegetarians, but if you read it it also says they're still above the recommended levels.

Basically, that Anon never read past the first sentences in the abstracts and ignored statistical flaws.

>>11545663
Pound of meat, 0.7 pound of vegetables a day for physical health.
Cheese and Mountain dew that has been left to sit on a holy stone for spiritual health.

>>11550356
Just a vegan using cult deception tactics. Iron deficiency is the most common deficiency in the world including developed countries. Meanwhile, not even carnivorous tribes suffer from iron overload.

>>11545663
calorie in < calorie out

One thing I know for sure is that you should avoid foods that you are sensitive to but this isn't always so clear or obvious for some people.
For example when I drink milk my skin breaks out in pimples, my joints start cracking and get inflamed, my nose gets stuffy, mucus builds up in my nose, nasally voice etc.
Go on an elimination diet to determine if you are sensitive to anything.

I WAS 5 YEARS WHOLE FOOD PLANT BASED VEGAN AND ITS A STARVATION DIET. SV3RIGE IS RIGHT.

>>11551268
This guy is right. I was straight and only fucking girls for the last five years and suckling dick indeed improved my whole life. Do it like this fag and suck two at once.

>>11550356
Unless you only eat non-fortified flour and avoid red meat, you very likely eat too much.

>>11550356
Unless you only eat non-fortified flour and avoid red meat, you very likely eat too much.
>>11550543
Because the real healthy and safe normal was labeled 'latent iron deficiency'.

>>11545667
/thread
>pcrm.org
>nutritionfacts.org