/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11534732
Nah US is fucked because normalfags trustee the CDC. We will be in nightmare mode in a couple of weeks :^)

Absolutely not. If china lies about this so much it means they desperately needs export from their country. They are fucked beyond repair. China is literally done.

Considering that as soon as the lock-down measures get lifted, the spread explodes again, we are far from sunshine.

>>11534732
It wasn't even a happening.

>>11534732
https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/?scale=linear&country=France&country=Germany&country=Italy&country=Spain&country=United+Kingdom&country=US&country=Iran

>>11534740
Kek cope harder Amerifaggot. USA is finished not China. USA will have the highest death toll in the world at the end by several millions. This event is what triggers the Chinese century, you are already seeing Europe pivot towards China and away from US. Every other country is looking at USA and dumb ass Trump and asking wtf are those retards doing.

>>11534732

No, the peak will be a while from now once we have

>>11534744

I'm skeptical that will actually happen because a lot of people will have caught it before or even during going into lockdown but would have recovered and gained some immunity at home by now, so the amount of people who can spread it will be reduced.

We just need to wait for the descending limb to begin and then stepwise release restrictions slowly to allow the economy to recover and restructure. If it goes up again we put them back on.

i.e. At first we let no-vulnerable people under 30 outside of the entertainment / restaurant industry go back to work one day a week, then two, three, etc until we're back to a normal working week, then we start with people 30-60, then we open up the entertainment sector again then we allow people 60+ back to work.

But we maintain social distancing and hand washing practices the whole time.

The real issues is a potential winter spike and if this spreads to the main food producing regions of the world but the virus thankfully doesn't seem to be very seasonal. Xmas travel may cause one anyway.

>>11534755
USA were retards since beggining of time. Look what side they joined during ww2. But their country and population is spread more and are not so close to each other while china is litearally packed and have nearly no farm lands while USA has so much framland it feeds whole world even China.

USA even if they die in millions has far bigger chance to survive. Unless balkanization happnes which will then shit hits the fan.

>>11534757
>a lot of people will have caught it
In most countries it's still way under 5% of the population. And that's not even counting the possibility of mutation.

>>11534732
My overall assessment is that Corona only seems to be an issue when you do nothing within the first few weeks and you have western-like demographics. (i.e. highly urbanised, lots of elderly). The only countries which will be hard hit are going to turn out to be China, the US and Iran.

I'm not worried about Italy etc as they are counting ALL people who die with corona as corona deaths no matter how sick or frail they are. That's largely why some European countries have equal numbers of infections as others but their death counts vary wildly.

However I think it may turn out to be that the economic damage will be worse than the actual virus by far.

also expecting a second very slow but even higher rise in south America then Africa as this progresses that will last through next year. That will be either nothing or extremely devastating. The nock-on effect on food production will be bad for us.

I have concerns about a southern hemisphere dustbowl and mini-ice age in the first half of the decade.

With lingering global cooling with a hard snap back to warming looking as far out as I'm comfortable to make a prediction.

>>11534764

Yes, but having 5% being incapable of spreading it combined with people now taking social distancing seriously will effectively put the control rods in.

What I'm suggesting is we actually do adopt a herd immunity strategy once we have a control over this. If it's going to hit everyone let it hit the population least likely to get sick first and let it roll out slowly while linearly growing health capacity.

The alternative is we crash the economy indefinitely only to have the virus fuck us hard anyway
. We should have ramped into lockdown hard and fast, but now we have to ramp out slowly.

>>11534778
Herd Immunity is a retarded idea. Not only you accept unnecessary deaths, but you also help the circulation of mutated variants, which means the mass immunity might not even work at all with big populations (something the flu has already proven true). Viruses have evolved to avoid immunity, there's no reason to believe luck has smiled on us with this one. Don't believe me herd immunity is a bad idea? Watch what happens in Sweden and Brasil in the next few weeks.

>>11534778
Shoo Boris Johnson, your plan backfired and now you have corona

Coronavirus will define the world for the next 10 years. It was a test from God for us to be able to handle the 2030s test which is massive simultaneous crop failures

>>11534732
>logarithmic chart still showing exponential growth
>is di hippining cincillid?

>>11535272
this much is obvious

>>11534809
It will reach bat populations in the Amazon and mutate into a deadlier strain. Thanks, Brazil.

>>11534732
UK government always did say that we were about 4 weeks behind Italy. If Italy is plateauing now, then we still have another month of this before we peak.

>>11534732
Why was there a panic and all that overreaction in the first place? South Korea, Japan and Taiwan all handled it with no major impact on everyday life. Italy and Spain have a small health crisis but let's be honest their general incompetence would turn everything into a crisis. And it's not like those countries have people dying in the thousands in the streets. It's still a number that is well within regular average daily death rates. The crisis comes from the economic shutdown not from the sickness itself. And now all western politicians try to scare everyone with that Italian spectre.
The happening is selfmade but will largely cease to exist in two months if it weren't for the fact that people will have major holes in their finances that will impact their lives for at least 2-3 years.

>>11535327
Because to make a government close off more than half the country, you better have damn good reason for it.

>>11535327
>And it's not like those countries have people dying in the thousands in the streets.
Hospital systems collapsed is not something that happens with a flu. Having to choose which sick patient to treat is not something that happens with a flu. And if the spread was slowed there it is only thanks to the shutdowns.

>It's still a number that is well within regular average daily death rates.
No, North Italy has experienced two to three times the regular death rate.

>The crisis comes from the economic shutdown not from the sickness itself
No, the shutdown comes from COVID-19 which is quickly growing to be one of the largest causes of daily deaths worldwide.

>>11535327
>>11535344

>>11535346
honestly it's the CDC and WHO's faults for crying wolf so many times about absolutely nothing. If they had proper threat assessment it would give them the level of credibility needed to have mitigated this sooner.

>>11535344
>-m-m-Muh flu is so dangerous

Lol Coronavirus is irrelevant

>>11535334
>Because to make a government close off more than half the country, you better have damn good reason for it.
They probably based their assessment on the false numbers from China that painted a more dangerous picture with higher mortality. But proper data shows that mortality is much lower.

>>11534732
The header of that graph... "... more new deaths ..."
Are there repeat deaths?

>>11535432
Are you people fucking retarded? First China fakes their numbers to be less severe, now they fake them to be more deadly? People like you will just make up anything to make a point. You shouldn't be allowed to vote.

>>11535432
>But proper data shows that mortality is much lower.
What data? What the fuck are you talking about retard? Mortality has been going up worldwide and even when you count the asymptomatic cases that leaves you with a 1% mortality BEFORE the hospitals collapsing.

The speculations about having flu-like mortality are long past. Even Germany has a death rate above 1% now.

>>11535433
As opposed to previous deaths, I suppose, though it does sounds retarded.

>>11535437
It's a fact that they only counted people that tested positive AND had typical symptoms. This way the number of reported infections was ultimately lower and the ratio of deaths/infected was skewed. Only later was it confirmed that more than 50% of all infected showed no symptoms which makes it dramatically less dangerous.

The surgeon general telling people masks won't help and the CDC fucking up on test kits will not be forgotten. People should be executed.

>>11535487
Surgeons are masters of one thing and have shit all understanding for any other medical field.

>>11535475
>50%
So the world death rate is 2% instead of 4%? Still extremely dangerous. This argument was over a month ago.

>>11535502
the surgeon general is an anesthesiologist. Usually, they are general practioners....

>>11534755
China hid their numbers, and the public information is clearly disinfo.
I'd say try again, but just don't.

>>11535530
>China hid their numbers
Not exactly. They hid truths. We really don't know what the numbers are, including whether they're correct and they might be, especially in terms of percentage.
What IS correct is that Trump IS abdicating America's involvement and influence in the world, does not recognize R and C are gaining influence, and that isolationism is ultimately not in the best interests of America.

Consider only the 'concluded' rates. For example in Italy there have been 15,362 deaths versus 20,996 that have recovered of the 124,632 cases reported.
We don't know what will happen to the 71% who haven't either died or recovered.
So if you consider only those whose disease has run its course, you are looking at a 42% mortality rate.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Now project the numbers for the US: the current rate would imply as many as another 104k people will die.
The good news is, there are countless (literally, because there is no way to gather statistics) numbers of people who have/had the disease and show(ed) no or minor symptoms. Adding their recovery numbers would lower the mortality rate.

>>11535503
Most countries have less than 1% of the population tested. The real number of total infected is much higher which makes the fatality rate even smaller.

>>11534732
Maybe, but how many people who recovered have permanent lung damage?

I've seen a lot of people claim that it takes many years off of your life span but idk how common it is to get permanent lung damage

>>11535664
>Most countries have less than 1% of the population tested.
That number is pure speculation. To operate on an assumption like that is irresponsibly risky.

>>11535475
Are you fucking retarded? China has been saying asymptomatic rate is 80%. The rest of the world is saying it's way below 50%. How is China fearmongering again?

>>11535664
You said you had "data" showing this.
Where is the data nigger?

>>11534755

>>11534732
The US has an 11 day lag time compared to Italy Spain, We should peak around the 16th-18th.

>>11534755
Is it a good bait if I have a doubt that you're retarded?

>>11534735
>trusted the CDC
The CDC is right about the masks. Conspiracy schizos will make up whatever delusional, evidence-free shit that comes into their heads and post it on the internet, but hopefully normal people will ignore it.

Are the rumors true that coronavirus is just like HIV?

That it can stay with you forever and come back whenever?

>>11534732
>is the happening cancelled?
only if other countries start doing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfsdJGj3-jM

>>11535502
>>11535513
The surgeon general is political operative like any other. We all know that the Chinese hide and obfuscated facts to their benefit, why do we think any different of Western governments? The difference is in the degree they are willing to lie and blatant their extortion is.

>>11535992
No.

>>11534732
It's over. Daily deaths are stagnating and actually going down a little.

>>11536129
Is it really over though?

I'd say it's over when people can actually get out of their house. so long as there isn't any treatment that reduces the mortality and severe cases rate buy a large amount, I don't think we can say it's over. Yet.

How serious is this virus? For February and March 2020, 1,150 people in New York died from coranavirus, out of 446,778 total deaths. There were 24,741 deaths from pneumonia. Coronavirus deaths surged in April, but still represent a tiny part of dying New Yorkers.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

Have you seen "news" stories about trailers full of dead bodies in New York? Are we to believe that an increase of less than a half of 1% in NYC deaths has overwhelmed the mortuary system?

>New York is not reporting flu deaths this year.

https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/communicable/influenza/surveillance/2019-2020/flu_report_current_week.pdf

>Pediatric influenza-associated deaths reported (including NYC) Weekly Influenza Surveillance ReportLocal health departments report pediatric influenza-associated deaths to NYSDOH.Flu-associated deaths in children younger than 18 years old are nationally notifiable. Influenza-associated deaths in persons 18years and older are not notifiable.

This is not a national ban, that adult flu deaths "are not notifiable". Why? The CDC certainly wants that data. Nevada state stats are reported and show that Flu deaths still exceed Coronavirus deaths.

media.southernnevadahealthdistrict.org/download/epi/influenza/2019-2020/Influenza-Weekly-10.pdf

Claimed coronavirus deaths in NYC are several times higher than all other cities. Might the New York Democratic political machine manipulate data to make Trump look bad, especially Governor Cuomo with presidential ambitions who could be chosen by party delegates should Biden's mental condition worsen? Notice that Cuomo is holding frequent news conferences covered by all the national news networks.

>>11536129
It is way too soon to say that definitively. You could have equally said that on March 30th, where the deaths were stagnating, until the next day when they weren't.

>>11534732
Turkey is also getting wrecked

>>11534735
lmao
>2 MORE WEEKS

>>11534809
>Not only you accept unnecessary deaths
So people on life support or were so frail die sooner. Boo hoo.

>>11536171
Oh no anon, don’t say that kind of thing around here. You will disturb the retards.

>>11535907
Lmao you and your normal friends are idiots. Masks have been effective since the beginning and the US is behind like always, other countries ignored the WHO and started mandatory masks a month ago. Smart ones have actual respirators they bought months ago while normalfags will still get sick with their homemade Gucci masks and wonder why it didn’t work

>>11536423
Are you retarded? The CDC recommends masks.
>Smart ones have actual respirators.
An insignificant minority of the population has them. Respirators aren't the solution to anything here.

>>11536375
Well Trump did say it would peek in 2 weeks here this past week so...

>>11536435
No you’re retarded. The CDC is useless and has been proven so time and time again. They are extremely behind and will be responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths after all is said and done. Go back to Facebook you normalfag

>>11536444
it'll always be 2 more weeks. it's just a chant at this point. Statistically there will be a moment when it peeks and they'll say "SEE THE APOCALYPSE IS HERE", and then it'll decline and we'll be over this. Thats how this shit has gone for thousands of years.

>>11536457
So is it the CDC's fault, or the entire executive branch's fault and especially Trump's? Bringing up full respirators like more than 0.01% of the population has them proves you are a clueless moron.

>>11535684
>That number is pure speculation.

No - that number is grounded in facts obtained from countries actually testing their populace e.g UK. Germany etc.

>>11535678
>I've seen a lot of people claim that it takes many years off of your life span

Based on what? It's only been around less than half a year which means appropriate longitudinal studies aren't available. Any claims of years knocked off are pure speculative and should be taken with some skepticism.

>>11536472
>”But it’s t-trump’s fault”
>The quintessential faggot back up argument
The fucking seething after getting BTFO

>d-dude just wait another 1-2 weeks, it's gonna be bad!
How long until happening fags give up?

>>11536510
They've already shifted to
>y-young people will die a few years from now just wait it's like HIV...

>>11536512
They were unironically predicting million deaths awhile back and now they're trying to spin a couple thousand deaths in a week as a tragedy.

>>11536507
If it's the CDC's fault, it's Trump's fault.
>faggot backup argument
Nigger what? You're a fucking retard and your posts are idiotic. Stop replying to me, bitch.

>>11536171
Now that it's fizzling out they're gonna start juking the stats to make it look worse than it is.
Prepare for a year of high death totals after they start counting every barely related or similar death as Covid.
Then the meta analysis will run the numbers in 2021 and point out how everything else dropped and there was marginal increase in deaths.

>>11534744
This. In my country there will most likely be very few or no cases in 2-3 weeks ant they will lift the quarantine soon after. But it doesnt even matter, since like 0.5% population will got it, and they say we need two thirds is minimum for herd immunity. So whats stopping virus from spreading once the measures get lifted?

Happening never was going to happen. It's a literal nothingburger that was overlyhyped up by people on the internet. This is the problem with people having their lives revolve around the internet.

>>11536520
Pretty sure /pol/ predicted that all of humanity was infected and 500m dead by like first week of february. It's been "just 2 more weeks" since 15.1.2020

>>11534758
>USA were retards since beggining of time. Look what side they joined during ww2.
You mean the winning side?

>>11536534
I take solace in the fact that you people have been getting humiliated daily as the virus takes hold worldwide and governments steal shipments of masks off each other.

>>11534735
>YOU CANT JUST TELL ME TO WEAR A MASK WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>11535664
>keeps ignoring the freight trucks full of bodies in NYC and Ice arenas used as morgues in Spain
When has the flu done that?

>>11536171
Typical Trumptard thinking the world revolves around the orange man and what's happened in Europe is to make him look bad

>>11536507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfPk1HIBLfM

>>11535344
>Media creates exaggerated panic
>Every idiot with a cold or sniffles or a smoker's cough floods the hospitals thinking they must be about to die
>"hurr durr, the hospitals being busy proves how much worse covid-19 is!"

>>11534758
>Look what side they joined during ww2.

Weaboo-like typing detected.
Your "yellow fever" is showing.

>>11534757
>a normal working week
4 day week when?

>>11535299
That is batshit crazy

>>11536383
>Mutations lad.

>>11535327
>The crisis comes from the economic shutdown not from the sickness itself.

t. Toby Young Economics

>>11536547
Be interesting to see how many nothingburger anons have ever left their homes and been to A and E
Have several family working in hospitals; much worse than reported.

When will it be safe to go back to work ?

>>11537077
dude my uncle works for nintendo and we've already got coronavirus vaccines
I can't show you though he made me promise not to show anybody

>>11537098
Nintendo can't even sort out a proper next gen Goldeneye sequel

>>11534732
based and screen-redden-pilled

>>11537131
kek this
Blue light BTFO

>>11535614
>The United States is exactly the same as Italy!
The truly frightening prospect illustrated by COVID-19 is how people this stupid have managed to multiply so successfully

>>11536435
>Are you retarded? The CDC recommends masks.
Yup, they started recommending them a few days ago, when they should have been recommending them months ago.

>>11534732
The curve flattening is not the virus dissipating, it's the control measures taking effect, this takes longer than the orders because you have to wait for individuals to take the virus seriously and change their behavior. Were society to return to normal practices it would skyrocket again.

The happening is never canceled. It's only over when governments release the control measures and allow the remaining population to be infected. Probably after the best treatment is known and hospitals are stocked.

>>11535327
>Why was there a panic and all that overreaction in the first place?

>bad thing is going to happen
>you prepare for bad thing and mitigate the problem
>wow that wasn't as bad as you said it was going to be wtf

retard

>>11536808

The all cause death rate has exploded. It has nothing to do with this death or that death getting labeled "Coronavirus". If they didnt label any of them Coronavirus it wouldnt change the fact that regions of italy saw a 4 fold increase in the number of deaths total.

So, unless you have some better explaination, its probably the deadly virus that showed up recently. In fact, there is probably bias against labelling deaths as coronavirus. If some old fellow gets pneumonia and dies, it might not occur to anyone that its coronavirus.

>>11535327

What panic? There is anger and frustration that the west didnt respond as Taiwan or South Korea did. Thats not panic.

Current number of deaths in NY state: 4,159.
Has already reached the average yearly number of deaths for flu/pneumonia.

Where can I see reliable mortality of age groups?
It's seems that sooner rather than later I'll be on the front-line to see covid19 patients.

>>11535614
this table looks suspiciously high on /pol/-levels

>>11537869
have some numbers for NYC

>>11537869

This is with quarantine.
Unless it's eradicated (practically impossible without a vaccine) then as soon as shit goes back to normal it explodes again.

>>11537938
>>11537944
Thanks lads

>>11537938
man 45-64 with no underlying symptoms are unlucky af

So what counts as an underlying condition in relation to Covid?
Obviously people with neuro diseases and the like aren't similarly affected, but where does it begin, tooth infections? obesity?

>>11537949
>Infection and death rates slow down
>OMG guys the virus is gone we can go back to normal now!!
>Infection rate skyrockets


What's so dangerous about coronavirus isn't just that the death rate is somewhat high (granted not so high it's the end of the world), it's that it's so infectious that thousands can contract the disease easily over a short period of time. With no treatment or vaccine, hospitals will no doubt get overwhelmed with cases until there is something to combat it outside of "herd immunity" which sounds like bullshit desu

>>11535433
>Are there repeat deaths?
Only in Democratic counties, anon.

>>11537938
>female 920
>male 1550
t-thanks corona chan

>>11537976

>>11537938
Do you have a link?
>>11537974
Usually most commonly mentioned:
Cardiovascular disease, Diabetes, Pneumonia, Cancer

>>11537987
I only got it from there:
https://gothamist.com/news/coronavirus-statistics-tracking-epidemic-new-york

>>11537984
Probably simply due to higher life expectency (median age of death cases almost everywhere above 80) of women. A hypothesis which also the italian "instituto superiore di sanita" shares.

>>11537993
Thx!

>>11537734
>>11537736
Why do people redditspace? There's no need to space here. Are you that used to reddit posting? The 'it just looks nicer' argument is not applicable here either.

>>11535327

Because the virus is literally just a new strain of the flu. Mortality rates are comparable to the flu. Of those hospitalized for flu, 7% die, just like Covid-19. We only test for Covid-19 among those in the hospital so mortality is skewed.

So why the overreaction? Because this benefits the elite for a number if reasons:

1) gives them excuse to pump trillions into their private markets. The cratered stock markets will go back up, only now the companies are trillions richer.

2) the unemployment rate gives all the power to employers. We are witnessing the greatest attack on the working class in American history as workers will be forced to fight for scraps given by the private industry pumped with newly minted trillions.

3) this gives the West a powerful propoganda tool in their upcoming war against China.

All I can say is that if the working class at don't at least get UBI out of this, then they are literally slaves, and should prepare themselves for a life akin to that of slaves.

>>11538003
>it’s just the flu
Will the meme ever end

>>11537026
This. I have no intention of returning to the exact same shit schedule

>>11538016
most flus are zoonotic, and the seasonal flu is a coronavirus

>Best case scenario is now only 50k as opposed to 100k
>Worst case down to 130k from 240k
>was initially at MILLIONS

It keeps dropping and dropping

>>11538064
link?

>>11538064
Protip: You can make models say whatever, make new ones, and also throw out the ones that disagree with reality. It's really the shotgun approach to statistics.

>>11538064
Well yeah, because politicians finally woke up and did something.

>>11538064
>>11538075
All models are wrong, some are useful

>>11538092
Yeah lol.

>>11537029
Wait until it hits the vampire populations of Transylvania and mutates into some really serious.

>>11538057
BASED
People will realise you're not a muh commie for advocating that with technology we should be looking to actually live and use our time better

We work to live not the other way around.
WOrk 5 to enjoy at bst 2?
Nah, not anymore kiddo
Should be 3.5/3.5

>>11534732
Yeah. Death projections are down, peaks have been reached, quarantines are lifting, stocks are going up, etc. Seems everyone is now done with this flu and are ready to move on.

>>11538877
>2 more weeks!!!!
>exponential!!!!
>italy italy italy!!!!!

>>11536129
lmao the red arrow
this is your brain on /pol/

>>11534732

The more things change...

>>11535361
It's not so easy to tell a successful containment from a nothing burger. Imagine what people here would think of COVID19 if the Chinese had somehow contained it perfectly. We wouldn't understand its potential. CDC and WHO may have already saved us from several of these oubreaks.

>>11536171
I mean the virus is probably thriving in NY due to the population density and the number of surfaces that so many people touch all the time. I don't know or care about political fudging, but higher numbers there shouldn't surprise us.

>>11534732
Wave 1 might be. The second wave is usually larger

>>11539238
Be American...

On that note, will masks be compulsory for workplaces and school if/when we're ever allowed out of house arrest? It would make regular flu season a lot less stressful. Can that many masks be made in time?

>>11535607
>We really don't know what the numbers are
because they're hiding them.

>>11540735
proof? no they are not

>>11536531
>herd immunity
>being legitimately so retarded that you actually, seirously, unironically believe in this pseudoscience in the year of our Lord two thousand and seventeen plus three

>>11540735
Question you have to ask yourself it's who would benefit from hiding the numbers.

You could say that people holding stocks benefit from hiding the numbers to avoid panic, but that would be totally asinine and inhumane further proving that the elites did you would rather make a dollar then save a life


This makes less sense though since they could easily profit from saving lives. Then again we're talking about the degenerate psychopaths on blackmail leashes.

>>11535344
Mfw If we reacted this way to bad diets the leading cause of death could be dramatically reduced
>tfw big pharma and big what/corn/onions/sugar would never let it happen

>>11536129
Dips every weekend mong
Less people working so less people processing tests/labs

>>11541018
big mac would never let this happen

>>11534732
Its just a flu

>>11534732

>>11541117
AMERICA NUMBA WAN

>>11541117
Completely meaningless. We need that with infections/deaths/recovered per million citizens.

>>11541177
See >>11533853

America is not looking good compared to countries that took early action. (South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Russia, Australia, Argentina, New Zealand, Colombia, etc)

>>11541038
SHUT THE FUCK UP WE GET IT

IT ISNT JUST A FLU HOLY SHIT YOU ANNOYING PIECE OF HUMAN GARBAGE WE GOT IT THE FIRST TIME JUST SHUT UP ALREADY

>>11539321
a million times over this

>>11535907
Hi CCP.

>>11542073
do you have a source on this for those of us who can’t read chinkshit?

>>11542083
try https://www.newocr.com/

>>11535327
>South Korea, Japan and Taiwan all handled it with no major impact on everyday life.
>Japan
This post didn't age well.

>>11534809

>two more weeks i swear

>>11542127
how and why
>olympics was cancelled
yes it was

>>11534755
Based chink poster.

>>11535869
Yes.

>>11536524
Epstein didn't kill himself, you complete brainlet.

>>11541997
It's just the flu, bro.

>>11535346
this is the most useless graph ever

>>11542127
>>11542606
Of course they're handling it well, Tokyo decided to adopt the famous flatline the curve strategy other nations have doing. They'll be fine, especially since it was one of the first international countries to have had it and took it seriously.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

>>11543645
AMERICA IS FOR WHITES
CHINA IS FOR CHINKS
SEND THOSE CHINKS BACK TO THE FACTORIES
SHIP THOSE CHINKS BACK

>>11543645
>US will have more deaths than recovered because lack of health care
KEK

>>11534744
This. The problem is that it only took a literal handful to explode into this WITH social lockdown measures.

What do you think will happen the second we lift the measures with the disease still in the hundreds or thousands? We'll be right back to square one.

Herd immunity won't do shit until a large portion of the population are immune; There is over 350 americans in the US. Look at how many are infected. Its not EVEN 1%.

>>11534768
>as they are counting ALL people who die with corona as corona deaths
Uh, yeah. that's how it goes man.

Would you somehow not say an 80 year old died of a car accident if that killed them because "Well, they were going to die anyways!"?
The corona is what caused them to die, even if they were frail they wouldn't have died without it.

>>11534755
Look, I'll be the first to shit on China, but that have just as much farmland as the US, and a greater proportion of people living in rural areas.
That said, yeah, the chinks are fucked. They're throwing people that going into fever seizures in body bags and cremating them alive and they are still getting creamed by their own bioweapon.

>>11535475
This guy gets it. The point was to scare other countries with inflated death rates so their economies got hit as hard as the chicom's own.

>>11543929
Meant for
>>11534758

>>11538877
I believe it. I had a stuffy nose for two weeks, then I went on a three day bender and got an unproductive, harsh, dry coof for two days. Now I already feel better after sleeping for like 12 hours each night, though I still have a low grade fever.
Still sucks for 80+ year olds that would normally be protected by herd immunity.

Bcg data
https://www.mnhrl.com/mortality(covid19)-bcgvaccinationpolicies-2020-4-1/

I'm japanese.

>>11543941
To add to this, I drink like a fish and smoke like a chimney every day, so a bender for me is drinking to the point you end up in metabolic acidosis and sometimes your leg kicks to wake you up because you stopped breathing in your sleep.

>>11543926
But it's more like having cancer and dying in a car accident and then being counted as cancer death.

>>11543645
I really wanted to go to Boston in June. Guys, can you please fix this asap?

>>11543904
As someone on medicare that pays $0 for hospital bills, what the fuck are you on about? Yeah, the same homeless people that would rather smoke crack than go to a halfway home are fucked, but that's their choice.
I honestly don't get where this shit comes from. The media?

>>11537987
>Diabetes
America and Brazil is fucked

>>11534732
death wise, yes. economically? no this is just the beginning.

>>11545435
>Brazil
>800 deaths
>tfw it was at 400 a couple of days ago

>>11534732
LOG PLOTS ARE SO FUCKING STUPID

IT DOESN'T SHOW TRUE PROPORTION

USELESS

US is fucked

>>11534732
No dude we're definitely all gonna die

>>11545712
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>11534732
i dont see how anyone can reasonably claim that any country has reached the peak. these countries have been locked down for the past 4 weeks at least. this isn't the natural peak. as soon as lockdown is lifted it will find its way back and they will be in the same position again. somebody refute this.

>>11545735
>implying the lockdown will be lifted

They'll keep extending it for longer and longer, cutting more corners in the process to lift the economy, and in the process shit will start spiraling out of control.

>>11545770
Hell yeah, finally we can end it.

>>11537049
I would argue that the virus would help economically in most countries if they let it run its course, what with the homeless and pensions and all.

>>11537972
they're the smart ones that don't want to be triaged out of a respirator

>>11534768

Just for your info: Germany for example has verified that they are counting all individuals who die with coronavirus as corona deaths. But non-the-less their numbers are far below average. Somebody just started a rumor on 4chan that Germany counts Covid 19 related deaths differently compared to Italy or Spain. This is simply not the case.

>>11546168
>far below average
Not anymore. Germany's death rate has climbed from 0.1% to 2% in the past month. Now it's well within the range of the world average.

>>11538060
>seasonal flu is a coronavirus

>>11534732
Its just a flu

Sweden did a 1000 random person Coronavirus test. About 780 responded.
Between 27th March and 04th April.

The results, they say of the random sample, 2.5% tested positive. The tested random people where selected only to be Stockholmian. They didnt say what they thought was the population of Stockholm. Did they do this study for Urban population only or Metro, 940 000 vs 2 600 000 wider area.

Now within the given interval when they did the random sampling, the average cases was 4961 per day and median 4833, these are confirmed cases who had to seek medical attention and got tested at the hospitals.

If we assume those needing attention are within 10 to 20% of all infections, the numbers match.

There is not a very wide spread of mild or asymptomatic cases. 2.5% of total Stockholm population, 15% of those, would require hospital care, and indeed it looks so.

Bad news.

>France, Spain, Italy, England ans Switzerland are getting hammered
>Belgium and Netherlands: hammering has stopped (maybe)
>anyone else: Nothingburger (yet)

>>11548939
Here in Spain, some morgues are reporting that they won't be able to incinerate every corpse until 2 years.

>>11534732
NEGATIVE CAPTAIN

CORONAVIRUS FOREVER 2020

OPEN BOOK EXAMS FOR ALL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjJB1_hlyX0

EVERYONE GETS 900K STARTING SALARIES

MILLION DOLLAR SIGN-ON BONUS

>>11549577
so that means the holohoax was indeed a hoax

>>11537029
CARLOS

start applying vaccines already
I don't care if we all grow boobs

>>11549851
Bruh... I don't know how to feel about this comment.

>>11536171
where are you getting these numbers?
446,778 people died in NYC in just two months?

>>11549851
>>11550309
they're running out of morgues because they want to treat the bodies individually and with respect

if you want to burn a million bodies industrially you just need a big pit

>>11549851
Oy vey. Nazis built special furnaces that burned everything to gas that's how 6 million of my people were genocided and disappeared off the face of the earth.

>>11536507
wat? Do you just type random letters into "sentences" and hope they make sense lmao. Go back to /pol/ you imbecile.

>>11534758
>USA were retards since beggining of time. Look what side they joined during ww2
The side that did not spend millions killing ethic minorities rather than on war efforts and never had a chance in winning due to the lack of oil

>>11549851
>>11550849
https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU?t=1m

>>11534735
>in a couple of weeks
The next couple of weeks for sure. You nutjobs have been saying this since January.

>>11538003
>just a flu bro

Do normal people die this easily with "just a flu"?
Do perfectly healthy young people end up intubated and subsequently with permanent lung damage when they get the flu?

>>11550869
>P-POL
Silence pup.

>>11543972
American healthcare leaves a small but very vocal number of people absolutely fucked with medical bills. Also people in general tend to feel super pissed off when they go to the doctor to get prescribed some cheap ass pills and get charged out the fucking ass for 5 minutes of the doctors time. It's definitely a racket here.

>>11534735
I've been hearing "two more weeks" for the last six weeks.

>>11534755
gr8 b8 m8, i'd r8 an 8

>>11553527
And every prediction has turned out to be true.
America is about to top Italy and become the #1 in number of deaths. Probably will be fact by the time I wake up tomorrow.

>>11534732
>Adjust for population size
>China is lying
>Russia, Africa, and Latin America don't have the capability of recording accurate statistics

>>11553537
What is "per capita" for $500, Alex?
>US population - 331 million
>Italy population - 60 million
>China - big fat liars

>>11537869
Our World in Data

>>11538003
>1) gives them excuse to pump trillions into their private markets. The cratered stock markets will go back up, only now the companies are trillions richer.

this is so dumb, I won't even bother to explain why it's wrong. Read your paragraph again and witness how much of an imbecile you are

>>11534758
> Look what side they joined during ww2
This triggers the kikes
notice
>>11536545
>>11536836
>>11550894

i LOST MY FUCKING JOB

>>11534757
The financial system simply can't handle that kind of start and stop degree of uncertainty beyond a few months. The bare necessities will keep running throughout this crisis but unless we all start taking the jobs seasonal and temporary visa workers do there simply won't be workplaces for people to return to.

Basically the governments worldwide will be forced to go all in at this point even if the virus itself is not that deadly. The economy is already past the point of no return and walking back on the measures would mean figurative or literal lynchings for sitting politicians and officials. Like the human body, after a certain amount of time without oxygen (cash flow/revenue/debt servicing) the economy as we know it enters brain death (stagflation). Who knows what comes next.

>>11534732
>flattening
>using a log graph

>>11534778
Herd immunity is one of those misguided, practical-sounding ideas that sounds right to the layman, just like the idea that a rise in global temperature is a good thing because we can grow food at higher latitudes. It ignores the complexity that ultimately buttfucks us and nullifies any silver linings.

>>11554969

… this is how humanity has always adjusted to any new given disease. We get progressively immune to it. We lose some people in the process. Life goes on.

>>11554978
Alright. I hope you and anyone else who might be unlucky enough to need hospitalization are prepared to die at home then. Because that's the kind of "adjusting" that will be necessary if you want to keep trained medical staff alive through this. Everyone has your blase attitude about disease until they feel like they're drowning and the ER tells you to fuck off.

>>11538064
Millions was the estimate for if we did nothing retard

>>11554969
>Herd immunity is one of those misguided
that really depends. herd immunity is the reason why vaccination is so effective. you can afford to be a vector for diseases while living a society where no one is a vector for diseases.
and whoever needs to get coronavirus will get it in time. there is no stop to this chain of events.

>>11536375
>>11536468
Fucking retard

>>11536457
Obviously this statement was because the finite supply of masks needed to be secured for medical workers and first responders, and not sitting in some random idiot's storage closet. If you can avoid people during your day you don't need a fucking mask.
>>11536472
Anyone who blames Trump is a pure retard. The President does fuck all compared to the local bureaucracies, and giving a shit about the puppetheads at the capitol is nothing but political bullshitery.
>>11538002
I started to disregard any posts where there is a double linebreak after a quote tag, and my experience has greatly improved.
>>11543972
People are obsessed with America but know little about it; or at best learn a few things and attribute it universally across a continent with hundreds of different political jurisdictions and several subcultures.
>>11550849
To be fair it is easier to mass cremate bodies if there is no need to collect individual ashes for families.
>>11555004
Explaining the function behind the idea of herd immunity doesn't mean one has to break guidelines and intentionally spread disease. You're so mad and polarized about it that you wish ill on someone for pointing out history and how people deal with disease.

>>11552412
not an argument

>>11538778
honestly 3 days a week should be max

>>11555363
Explaining the function behind the idea of herd immunity doesn't mean one has to break guidelines and intentionally spread disease. You're so mad and polarized about it that you wish ill on someone for pointing out history and how people deal with disease.
Nope, explaining the logical consequences for the healthcare system of an idea like attempting herd immunity on an RNA virus without a vaccine doesn't mean that I wish ill on the waterheads (you) that advocate it. But we should probably stick you in a padded cell at least.

>>11555363
Nope, explaining the logical consequences for the healthcare system of an idea like attempting herd immunity on an RNA virus without a vaccine doesn't mean that I wish ill on the waterheads (you) that advocate it. But we should probably stick you in a padded cell at least.