/sci/ - Science & Math

Yes, but the psudes that post here will hiss and screech at you for not listening and believing.

>>11530983
They haven't taken the miasmapill

it's not true, go back to /pol/ with ur shit thread

>>>/pol/

>>11531026
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>>11531013
I'm really starting to sea the beauty behind the miasma concept.

>>11531026
Wtf does /pol/ have to do with this? Why are nerds on here so obsessed with screaming about /pol/?

What's going on in this thread?

>>11531393
anti-science circle jerking

Can a scientist in the field tell me why dosage matters so much for mortality and other factors.

why does it matter at all when the virus potentially goes exponential replication inside the host?

>>11530983
you overestimate how much we know, and underestimate how good we are at finding effective solutions when limited on information

>>11531400
Because an invading microbe has to overwhelm your innate defenses
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238819-does-a-high-viral-load-or-infectious-dose-make-covid-19-worse/

>>11531400
It takes time before the adaptive immune system finds an answer to the virus and before it does that the exponential growth of the virus may overwhelm the defense and in the time cause harm. That is why the suggestion that the amount of viral load at infection is sane.

>>11531029
https://www.trumpgolfcount.com/

Please don't derail this thread with a political flamewar. This is an important discussion.

>>11531067
#1 It's hilarious how often you bait retards when you bring it up
#2 It's almost always true when you invoke it

>>11530983
>based on questionable theories that can't be validated with today's technology?
ALL of science is based on questionable theories that can't be validated with today's technology.

Bump

>>11531506
Got back to /pol/ white boi

>>11531054
what is it about?

>>11530983
No it’s not true at all you idiot.

>>11531400
Your body can fight off a virus without any prior immunity if the viral load is initially small.

>>11530983
I thought the only question about viruses was where they came from?

>>11533730
No the smug idiots one here pretend otherwise but in reality we don't know anything about them. The entire method of them reproducing and attacking cells is a vague theory at best.

>>11533680
In the olden days they used to think that disease was caused by bad air. A miasma is like a cloud of sickness sitting around sickening people, like a fog of death. It's interesting in terms of the current fraudvirus plague because there seems to be a strong correlation between specific moderate temp and humidity levels that seems to facilitate the spread of bat aids.

>>11533680
It's about throwing out literally everything we have learned about medicine since like the 1600s.

>>11534413
Medicine has a long history of being useless at best and counterproductive at worst. Even today hospitals are plague ships filled with antibiotic resistant bacteria and superbugs and all kinds of nasty stuff. Doctors kill people constantly through either actual negligence or because modern medicine is still as deadly as bloodletting in its own way.

this post
god people are so fucking stupid

>>11530983
>Is it true that "scientists" hove no idea how or why viruses actually work
No
>all of virology is based on questionable theories that can't be validated with today's technology?
No

>>11531400
Because more viruses can kill more cells which puts more strain on your body.

>>11534441
Based as fuck. Additionally the 16 hour shift residency tradition is fucking medieval and obviously behind heaps of malpractices. Fucking ridiculous.

>>11531400

Two factors:

1) the virus has to infect your cells, and to do this it has to overhelm your natural defences and successfully replicate (which isn't a given, since viruses are naturally unstable, both a blessing and a curse)

2) Unless it is a chronic virus capable of eluding your adaptive defenses, the virus is on a timetable. Once you mount your adaptative response, it is done for.

Therefore, the higher the viral load, the higher the chances to successfully infect the host, and the higher the payoff from the infection.

>>11530983

No

>>11534317
>The entire method of them reproducing and attacking cells is a vague theory at best.

Where can I read more about this?

>>11531400
Virion dosage doesn’t make much of a difference in most viruses for the clinical course of infection, but there certainly is some relevance. More important is the route of transmission. In bacterial infections severity is much closer correlated to initial dosage.
>>11530983
No idea is a little bit much, but it’s certain to say little understanding is probably more fitting. The biggest problem is the definition of what a virus really is and how to even say the viruses aren’t just and extension of the host cells or a mechanism of them. One good indication of the host cells or organisms using viruses for their own purpose is cells always doing a knifes edge dance in letting some infection happen by lowering interferon levels and preventing others or at least stopping them from spreading to rapid. Some think it’s has to do with trying to save energy, but I don’t think so. It doesn’t cost that much energy it’s likely that we evolved to let infection happen, because if the body can control infections it overall has a net positiv outcome. I personally for example think that some animals use viruses for their protection against predators especially bats come to mind. Maybe it’s also viruses modifying animal/plant/bacterial genome in a positive way or even working as a communication way between organisms. We focused on negative effects of “viruses“ for too long, we already do know bacteria does many positive things in our body, if the infection is controlled. I think the same goes for „viruses“.

For more information on this topic and Covid19, please watch the documentary on Covid by Janet Ossebaard. She also made an excellent documentary on The Deep State. If you watch both, you'll have a deep understanding of our current economic and political situation.

Regarding viral theory, viruses are real and we use them scientifically. They are moreso like a solvent, a tool. CRISPR technology is an example, but there are other examples.

Interestingly, there is a DoD video leak about using vaccines in the Middle East to alter genetic expression and downregulate the genes associated with religious fanaticism. The vaccinated show behavioral changes to feel less religious/spiritual and thereby less aggressive and radical. Sounds amazing right? Vaccines, changing human behavior... hmmm

Ever heard of Henry Kissenger? "Once the herd accepts mandatory forcible vaccines, it's game over! They will accept anything - forcible blood or organ donation -- for the "greater good." We can genetically modify children and sterilise them -- for the "greater good". Control sheep minds and you control the herd. Vaccine makers stand to make billions, and many of you in this room today are investors. It's a big win-win! We thin out the herd, and the herd pays us for providing extermination services." -- Henry Kissenger, in a speech to the World Health Organisation (WHO) Council on Feb 25 2009. Bill Gates owns 15% of the WHO, which was created by the Rockefellers in 1948. Bill Gates has family blood connection to Rockefellers.

>>11531026
It's absolutely true and it has nothing to do with pol or politics at all.

>>11534317
there’s pictures of viruses invading cells.
You can analyze infected dna and find injections of rna that coincides with that of the virus.
You find more virus rna the longer you wait after infecting a cell.
What is flawed in the theory around these facts in your opinion?

>>11534441
[citation needed]

Viruses aren't real

>>11534317
They use viral vectors when doing gene therapy anon? I think they know how they work pretty well.

>>11530983
Literally none of that is true. We have footage of viruses invading cells ffs!

>>11535039
Where do you go to find this information online?

>>11535039
>>11538229
Oh NVM, its a Q boomer. The info they pump out is partially true and then they shift direction once you try to make them understand that the people they defend are part of the same fucking group.

>>11534441
yeah, nah