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mcdonalds is cheaper than whole foods

Poor people are less intelligent so they don't realise cooking your own food is cheaper and healthier than McDonalds.

>>11525476
Interesting then how Japan kickstarted the post war era: children were given priority for proper food.
Also Korea slogged it way out of poverty in a way few can do.

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>>11525476
This.

>Hurr poor people can't afford $2 vegetables so they HAVE to buy $10 burgers and fries

But I also think that blacks skew the averages by being both fat, poor and dumb on average

>>11525458
sugar and carbs
junk food spends money on marketing and its almost as shelf stable as military rations
most poor people dont look for ways to improve themselves and are more impulsive, also their primary healthcare is the emergency room, a doctor there telling them to shut their fat mouth and stop eating crap is a ghetto lottery lawsuit
its not fast food either, people on ebt spend it on crap in the grocery store

>>11525726
99cents pizza in NYC vs going to the fucking supermarket

also no time to cook

>>11525476
>cheaper
maybe
>healthier
depends

>>11525833
They have no jobs and live off welfare. They have all the time in the world.

You know who's busy? A scientist who spends 2 hours a day commuting, 8 hours working, and 1 hour studying.

>>11525844
chicken is 1.99 a lb at walmart, there is no room for argument

>>11525719
based

>>11525879
they spend it sitting on the couch watching maury not working out

>>11525888
1 chicken is garbage health wise and even cheap eggs are a better source of protein
2 especially cheap broiler chicken from walmart fed shitty feed

>>11525832
>carbs
Literally the staple food of any civilization since the beginning of time. But yeah sugar is bad for you.

>>11525964
>staple food of labor slaves with stunted growth

>>11525964
>beginning of time
There's a reason average height dropped once we switched from hunting & gathering to agriculture.

>>11525458
Poor people are less intelligent, intelligence is positively correlated to delayed gratification, self control and self projection in the future.

>>11525476
This
>>11525833
>no time to cook
lmao at American workers having a 9 to 5 job and thinking that they don't have time

>>11525933
This
If it weren't for lazy niggers who would boost daytime TVs viewing numbers and keep quality content on the air?
Just goes to show no matter how useless and garbage you may be, you can still serve a purpose. Chin up, OP!

>>11526060
>Yes goyim, waste your own time after you are done throwing away half of your lifetime earning me money.

>>11526060
Woah woah, you forget the hour commute both ways, and also an hour lunch makes it a 9hr day, so really you're gone from 7am-6pm and responsibly in bed around 10/11. You think I'm gonna waste my 5 hours of 'me time' slaving away more in my own kitchen?? I think not. World War 1 was not won in a couple hours good sir. That's at least an 8 hour campaign, and hours more in multiplayer.

>>11525941
1-Don't talk shit about chicken
2-He's talking about raw chicken breasts for you to cook

>>11525458
Deficiencies in magnesium and copper are.

>>11526100
american broiler the chicken species, which is the most common chicken raised
it grows abnormally fast and most of the time its fed shitty chicken feed
it has fuck all in nutrition per lb, good luck thinking eating an animal that grows faster than the average american to the point it dies from a heart attack is "healthy"

>>11526087
>World War 1 was not won in a couple hours good sir. That's at least an 8 hour campaign, and hours more in multiplayer.
Obviously didn't play EU4

>>11525476
Poor people tend to have a high time preference which would explain their poverty and dietary choices.

>>11526069
>waste your own time
Have fun wasting your health.
>>11526087
5 hours is a lot of time, and we know that nobody goes to sleep around 10/11. You have weekends to chill, too. And unless you're driving, you can keep yourself busy with something while commuting. Stop making up excuses for eating pig food.

>>11525458
Because they use their welfare checks to buy McDonald's and sleep around all day

>>11525458
They think more about calorie/dollar

>>11525941
>he thinks chicken = KFC

>>11526248
Is it shitty? Yes. Is it both better and cheaper than fast food? Also yes.

Because less intelligent people tend to be in poverty and lack impulse control.

>>11526571
>shitty supermarket chicken is better than kfc chicken
imagine being retarded

>>11525844
You are a dumb.

>>11525832
>sugar and carbs
They're the same thing, you fucking retard.

>>11526754
Chemically yes, culinary no

>>11525458
There's something incredibly attractive about those women and I wish I could spend a passionate night together with all of them at the same time because I'm sure it will be an experience to remember.

>>11526248
It’s not really that bad

>>11526979
its also really not that nutritious and a waste of money and calories

>>11526858
>women

>>11526991
Are you saying it lacks the protein of regular meat? Disregard the hormones and vitcuams, its still a hunk of grilled meat, that’s way better for you than some packaged chips and soda.

It all derives from traits being greatly polygenic, which means all traits are impacted by many genes. You dont have like, just a gene that makes you tall. Theres a gene, and it has a slight impact on your height, and your liver function, and your sleep cycle, and every other trait.

What this means is that traits generally come together, and that genes evolve to be good at many things.

So, the end result of this, is that people who have crappy diabetes genes, generally also have crappy hypertension genes. They generally have both because generally the same genes are responsible for both problems.

But this extends to every trait. So people who had crappy hearts also have crappy metabolisms, and crappy attention spans, etc.

Dumb people who dont make very much money are also generally unhealthy, because dumbness and disease stem from the same genes.

>>11525476
/thread
>>11525719
also based

>>11525458
Wow, these SEA thots are attractive, but way less pretty than their cousins to the north in Korea, Japan, and even China.

To answer your question, OP, its a combination of a few factors, (1) poor people are stupid and don't care as much about things like health, education, art, etc.
(2) eating healthy, working out, spending time outdoors, etc. is expensive.
(3) poor people tend to be lazier and are less willing to spend time cooking healthy food or exercising. They would rather watch TV or use social media.

Basically, what these guys said
>>11525460
>>11525476

>>11525458
I think it's because

A. If someone works on a job that pays poorly, their food budget fluctuates on all the other needs you have (utilities, transportation, children if they have any, etc), so in general they want food that gives them more bang for your buck
B. If someone works minimum wage, they are often working on some front line job that's more physically demanding job than someone working a purely administrative job so after a long day, therefore fast food is seen as a quick cheap option than to cook a 40 minute meal after returning home from work.

TL;DR: Fast food is seen as cheap and convenient for someone earning minimum wage, therefore leads to a poor diet which causes diabetes and hypertension

>>11525726
>Hurr poor people can't afford $2 vegetables so they HAVE to buy $10 burgers and fries
Do you realize how much cheaper junk food is per calorie than vegetables and decent meat?

>>11525458
People cope with their situation by overeating.

>>11527597
Poor people are fat so its not like the difficulty of affording calories is the problem.

>>11527616
Take the same money they spend on junk food, put it toward fresh produce and meat, and they'll starve.

>>11526858
Just get money.

>>11527081
>hormones
theres no hormones, im pretty you cant give chickens raised for commercial meat hormones anyhow, it literally fucking just grows so freakishly fast that theyre on the verge of death, its primary problem, is its fucking bland as hell and barely has any taste whatsoever. so yea its a fucking waste of time to deal with cheap ass chicken unless its going in a pot of rice or something

>>11527629

You can avoid diabetes by just eating less and less sugar.

Having diabetes, being in absolute poverty, and being fat are not like some "pick one" trade off. You can avoid all three.

If you are spending $20 a day at McDonalds, you could be getting fewer calories and be getting better nutrition by just spending that money in any other way. Or just not spending the money.

>>11527235
theres no type 2 diabetes gene, its literally from eating and drinking shitty american junk food to the point your pancreas tells you to fuck off and die, native americans and africans werent passing out in the plains from hypoglycemia, they have high diabetes rates because they spent 5000 years living without refined carbs

>>11525458
Have both,owe 41,000 in Fed taxes this year. Where is your point now?

>>11527646
you can also just not order soda and fries at mcdonalds and you magically dont fucking wreck your blood sugar

>>11527647
You are wrong, there is DNA data that supports genetic disposition towards diabetes. And you're a filthy nigger.

>>11527647

> theres no type 2 diabetes gene,

You are retarded. Last time I checked type 2 diabetes was 50% heritable. So, there are in fact many genes that have implications on type 2 diabetes.

>>11527660
>type 2 diabetes was 50% heritable
its 100% environment you fucking nigger
ching chong tyrone and running bear get it at 30, bob mcwasp fuckface gets it at 40, everyone gets it if they impulsively eat around american grocery stores and restaurants

>>11527675
case in point Japan just starting "magically" getting higher diabetes rates when cheap industrial carbs started getting into more and more food

>>11527685
and the same thing in UAE and saudi arabia, never seen before diabetes rates, but yeah, you fucking dipshits tell yourself habitually drinking mountain dew will only fuck your body up if you have "bad genes"

>>11525476
"And as to the rumors about poor families stuffing themselves full of sodas and sweets? Members of the bottom quintile emphasize fruits and vegetables more than any other income group. In fact they dedicate almost 2% of their budget to that section of the food pyramid compared to the wealthy's 1.1%."

>>11527675
>>11527685
>>11527694

Right, so diabetes started showing up when people started eating a lot more carbs.

BUT, the variation in diabetes is not explained by carb intake alone. Most of the variation is genetic in origin. High sugar diets will cause diabetes for white people and native American people, but the sensitivity native Americans have is much much higher, and indeed most of the difference in diabetes comes down to ancestry, rather than diet.

Just showing that when diets changed diabetes incidence changed is not enough to rule out genes, because the same diet change doesnt necessarily have the same change in diabetes incidence for another group.

>>11525458
Which one has the biggest dick?

>>11527675
>its 100% environment you fucking nigger
Genetics determine predisposition to it. You can have person eat like shit and never develop diabetes, and another person eat a decent diet and get it.

>>11527715
>>11527717

no it fucking doesnt, native americans have more efficient livers that doesnt magically fucking mean everyone else isnt fucking up their insulin levels, why dont fucking jack asses go stand in a cloud of asbestos and take deep breath since certain groups of people are more susceptible to cancer than other groups

>>11527725
>no it fucking doesnt
It does. The Japanese example is apt, because Asians have generally eaten very high carb diets in the form of white rice. Start throwing in a bit of dietary fat and they run into significant problems. Give them a standard western diet and they develop diabetes at far greater rates than other races.

>>11527725

> "Diabetes among Pima Indians is associated with the HLA-A2 phenotype (Williams et al., 1981), and genetic markers on chromosome 4q and 7q have been linked to insulin resistance (the underlying abnormality in NIDDM) among this population (Prochazka et al., 1993, 1995)."

> Acting like its not genetic when this science is so thoroughly studied, and indeed we are at the point where the impact of individual genes is documented

>>11527732
>>11527737
>"I smoked for 15 years and got COPD and cancer"
>"its not smoking its your genes bro, look at this dipshitniggerQ5 expression "

>>11527742

No one is saying that.

Both I and the other fellow who is arguing with you have acknowledged environmental impacts.

Its about variance. How much in total are different variables like genes and environment responsible for the differences over all. That is completely different from whether or not a particular environmental effect would have any impact on any individual over all.

>>11527742
>"Every day I still smoke two to three 'pills',"—local slang for tobacco tightly rolled into a cigarette-length piece of newspaper—Blom told the BBC in Afrikaans. "I use my own tobacco because I don't smoke cigarettes."
https://www.newsweek.com/worlds-oldest-man-guinness-world-record-smoking-tobacco-fredie-blom-947687

>>11527749
half of america is diabetic or on its way to being diabetic, wheres these fucking historical accounts or cave drawings about everyone passing out after they have a meal?

>>11527759
There's a difference between saying environment has no impact, and saying a predisposition determines the severity of the impact the environment will have. How do you explain the many people who are fat and eat horrible diets, yet avoid diabetes, yet others exercise and eat well and still develop it?

>>11527768
>eat well
theyre not fucking eating well, what are you about to blame indian scalping on being grouchy from low blood sugar?

>>11527775
>theyre not fucking eating well
You're not even dealing in reality at this point, because there's definitely people living healthy lifestyles who still end up as type 2 diabetics. Meanwhile there's literally 300 lb. fat asses with normal A1Cs.

>>11527790
>half the country is stepping on a land mine
>"nah bro, theres nothing inherently wrong with these land mines its healthy, you shouldnt avoid unpaved areas, you just got a genetic predisposition to blowing off your legs bro"

>>11527759

>wheres these fucking historical accounts or cave drawings about everyone passing out after they have a meal?

Why would there be? Especially considering their diet and lifestyle were so different back then.

The variance in diabetes has nothing to do with ancient native american diets. Ancient people and ancient diets are by definition not a part of modern variance.

Do you understand that?

>>11527804
>by definition not a part of modern variance.
almost like modern diets, by definition, are fucking garbage, you understand?

>>11525458
Cheap foods are loaded with sugar.

>>11527808

Perhaps they are, but, to the extent they are, they apparently dont explain all the difference between white and native american diabetes incidence, which suggests that modern diet has little to do with the problem of diabetes over all.

>>11527803
Are you legitimately mentally challenged? No one is arguing against the impact the environment has, and no one is recommending everyone go eat like shit because their diabetic destiny is predetermined, but it's a fact that genetics determine our sensitivity to our diets and our likelihood of developing diabetes.

You're the one who's arguing genetics play absolutely no part in determining diabetes when there's study after study to prove otherwise.

https://www.futurity.org/obese-people-diseases-833182/
>“Our goal was to have research participants consume 1,000 extra calories every day until each gained 6 percent of his or her body weight,” says Elisa Fabbrini, an assistant professor at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis.

>Before and after weight gain, the researchers carefully evaluated each study subject’s body composition, insulin sensitivity, and ability to regulate blood sugar, liver fat, and other measures of metabolic health.

>After gaining weight, the metabolic profiles of obese subjects remained normal if they were in the normal range when the study began. But the metabolic profiles significantly worsened after weight gain in obese subjects whose metabolic profiles already were abnormal when the study got under way.

>“This research demonstrates that some obese people are protected from the adverse metabolic effects of moderate weight gain, whereas others are predisposed to develop these problems,” says senior investigator Samuel Klein, a professor of medicine and nutritional science and director of Washington University’s Center for Human Nutrition.

>“This observation is important clinically because about 25 percent of obese people do not have metabolic complications,” he adds. “Our data shows that these people remain metabolically normal even after they gain additional weight.”

>>11525458
Lack of money to buy proper nutritious food leads to diabetes. Cheap processed food gets the job done instead of buying expensive food. Lack of money leads to constant worry + shitty sugary food and that leads to hypertension/high blood pressures.

>>11527803

No, thats just not the right analogy.

Here is a better one. Suppose I smoked and I got lung cancer. Suppose 5 other people got lung cancer, but none of them smoked. Suppose the 6 of us account for all lung cancer.

Smoking _definitely_ caused lung cancer. But it explains only _very little_ of all lung cancer.

Do you see the difference between variance and the practical cause and effect of smoking? Smoking definitely causes lung cancer. However, lung cancer as a whole phenomenon cannot be explained by smoking alone.

Same with diet and genes. Diet definitely does something. But compared to genes, it is doing very little because most of the variance comes down to genes and not diet.

>>11525964
Ah yes all those ancient hunters hunting wild carbohydrates running through the fields

>>11526069
Cooking is one of the most natural parts of being human. It's one of the few things in life that isn't a waste to do yourself.

Healthy food costs more.
Poor people can't afford good food = eating shit cheap food, decreasing their intelligence and health even more.

>>11525941
>chicken is garbage health wise
How

>>11527817
>Lack of money leads to constant worry + shitty sugary food and that leads to hypertension/high blood pressures.
so wealthy people are based and poors are cringe?

>>11525833
>also no time to cook
It doesn't take very long to boil water.

>>11527938
I don't always like waiting for water to boil, so what I'll do is boil very large batches and freeze it so it's ready the next time I want spaghetti.

>>11527939
I thought you were talking about making a bunch of spaghetti then reheating it later then I saw what you did there.
You got a smirk from me.

>>11527936
Yes. Literally poorfags cringe everyday about money worries.