/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11523515
They told everyone right back in January that more testing is important and pretty much everyone ignored them.

>>11523912
Whom are you quoting?

What are you actually calling for OP? The WHO to be better funded? To be able to force nations to comply with their advice?

>>11523919
They also told everyone that masks aren't effective in stopping the spread.

>>11523931
Source?

>>11523926
I wasn't green then for a second.

>>11523940
Isn't most of WHO activity vaccinating 3rd world children or something? Is it not enough for these people to hate in their local niggers they'll go after foreign children.

>>11523934
My bad, I was either mistaken or they've corrected their guidelines. Now they're saying it's ineffective unless combined with hand washing and social distancing, which is reasonable.

>>11523973
This is blatant misinformation on the FDA's site:

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/n95-respirators-and-surgical-masks-face-masks

>For the general American public, there is no added health benefit to wear a respiratory protective device (such as an N95 respirator), and the immediate health risk from COVID-19 is considered low.
>no added health benefit

>>11523940
Explain their utter failure in preventing this pandemic and why they suck up to China instead of making baseless adhoms.

>>11524071
>Accuses poster of doing adhoms, but using a adhom against WHO.

The irony is real.

>>11524098
When did I make an adhom?

>>11524102
Attacking a Intergovernmental Organization with little to know power other than to influence sovereign states that are often stubborn to conform to internationally beneficial norms is a adhom.

>>11523951
Using the N word is a adhom.

>>11524115
So? How is that an adhom when it's true. Did you watch the video in the OP? Tell me how that's not a problem.

>>11524121

>So?
That's a minute cut without context with a blatantly bias title.

>>11524128
>literally dodges a harmless question about Taiwan and rage quits when asked again
>out of context
Holy shit dude.

>>11524121
Plus, dismissing an entire organization because of the complexities of international politics seems a little much, don't you think?

>>11524136
Here's the thing with the UN.

>>11523912

I don't give a shit about territories or power dynamics, I give a shit about making sure these SDG's are the international goals.

>>11523635
He might have said that, but He DID NOT SAY it WAS A GOOD THING. Mr dissinformation agent.

>>11523940
>"than seeing things from multiple perspectives."
>knee jerk dismissal to perspectives he doesn't like
this self awareness

>>11524115
>Attacking a Intergovernmental Organization with little to know power other than to influence sovereign states that are often stubborn to conform to internationally beneficial norms is a adhom.
that's not what an adhom is, attacking an organization that is tasked with informing the world of pandemics where they failed miserably is calling a spade a spade.

>>11523515
>Can the WHO still be considered a legitimate organisation after their complete and utter failure at fulfilling their mandate?
not until the ccp infiltration has been removed. and it goes beyond just that doctor, the top brass is literally a ccp plant.
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/487851-china-and-the-whos-chief-hold-them-both-accountable-for-pandemic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwFTZawOc9k

>>11523940
>Everyong who disagrees with me is conservative
>Anyone who questions the integrity of multinational corporations and national governments is a schizo
>Anyone who researches news reports on their own and doesn't just trust whaterever Rachel Maddow or Stephen Colbert says is a NAZI INCEL

Cringe and low IQ. I honestly doubt you have any interest or aptitude in the natural sciences. People questioning official narratives shouldn't rustle your jimmies as much as it seems to anon. A surprising as this maybe to a community college gender studies major like yourself, sometime the media lies, sometimes governments are run by retards, and sometimes corporations don't have your best interests at heart.

>>11524355
>attacking an organization that is tasked with informing the world of pandemics

What is the media? What is lack of UN funding? Who is Bill Gates?

I'm sorry, I just don't think you're putting your eggs in the right basket when playing the blame game.

>>11523919
no they did not. they downplayed the situation from the start and didn't call it a pandemic for weeks after it was obvious to everyone. they acted like it wasn't transmissible from human to human even though it fit the model of infectious disease. they did not suggest the precautionary principle and told health commissioners around the world china had it under control. then they bitched at countries for doing the obvious thing like shutting down borders.

>>11524373
>What is the media?
lol, journos just parrot talking points from the who.
>What is lack of UN funding?
fucking bs, it's really not hard to apply the precautionary principle.
>Who is Bill Gates?
what does he have to do with this?

>I just don't think you're putting your eggs in the right basket when playing the blame game.
you can think whatever you like but in actually you are just making excuses for the culprits of this pandemic.

>>11524373
>whataboutism

>>11524379
>Why don't just like blame a religious deity, or science? An outbreak obviously isn't anyone's fault.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI

https://youtu.be/Xe8fIjxicoo

>>11524394
>>Why don't just like blame a religious deity, or science? An outbreak obviously isn't anyone's fault.
who are you quoting there? it's the who's fault. who also pushes bs pseudoscience as medicine. looks like they should've listened to bill gates. mang was on top of this more than those retards at the who.

>>11524379
Instead of blaming, you faggots need to go get a sustainability (or the like) degree and fucking learn how to put local policy to prevent disasters from happening in the future.

>>11524115
>Using the N word is an adhom

I hope this is tongue-in-cheek. You sound like someone from the YouTube "skeptic" community ca. 2014. . . people just throwing out the term "logical fallacy" left and right, often in contexts where it doesn't make sense. Not to mention, the ad hominem isn't even a formal fallacy (meaning it's not really a fallacy at all, in the sense of formal logic).

By the way, if you'd like to add another informal fallacy to you repertoire, you just committed a tu quoque (which is, to be fair, about as logically harmless as an ad hominem).

In actual academic circle the main fallacies people worry about are fallacies like denying the antecedent, affirming the consequent, fallacies of ambiguity, non-sequiters, and statistical and inductive fallacies. Informal fallacies aren't really even addressed, because it's just rhetoric, by another name. What you really have to worry about are formal fallacies like the ones I listed above, because they can actually lead to incorrect conclusions.

>>11524399
It seems pretty intuitive that Bill Gates works with The WHO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNbBDrceCy8&list=PL1HPN8SoyDKna5I_tx51A3CrPvWIzHm3T

>>11524402
blame needs to be placed on the who because they are at fault here and we need competent people in charge of that institution. not corrupt retards like teddy.
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/487851-china-and-the-whos-chief-hold-them-both-accountable-for-pandemic

the fuck is wrong with you? why are are you defending them when they fucked up this hard? don't you want the who to be a trustworthy organization or keep on track bungling up pandemics left right and center. ffs get a grip on your apologia.

>>11524412
>https://thehill.com/opinion/international/487851-china-and-the-whos-chief-hold-them-both-accountable-for-pandemic
>https://thehill.com/opinion/international/
>/opinion/

Does anyone have the excel sheet that the colleges sent out with each news sources individual credibility?

>>11523515
Keep in mind 4chan likely has some CCP infiltration doing massive damage control for the who rn. Those not calling for accountability of the who after they fucked up this hard are either retarded or CCP shills.

>>11524115
>>11523912
>>11523919
>>11523940
>nationalism is ok when it's for the ccp

>>11524435
>Keep in mind 4chan likely has some CCP infiltration doing massive damage control for the who rn. Those not calling for accountability of the who after they fucked up this hard are either retarded or CCP shills.
ALEX JONES HERE

>>11524444
Quads for blaming the UN for the genocide in Rwanda as well.

(Sorry for not creating a spoiler for the image & soft eyes)

>>11524428
>/opinion/
it's based on established facts. the opinion is what should be done about it.

>Does anyone have the excel sheet that the colleges sent out with each news sources individual credibility?
mang you are such a retard. you can't think for yourself and need to be told what is credible. you are the kind of retard who bought into solar freakin roadways because it's "backed by science".

btw many universities have been infiltrated by the ccp like the who throughout the states.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2133274/fbi-chief-says-chinese-operatives-have-infiltrated

>>11524456
>>11523912

Bro, don't tread on my solar punk ideas.

>>11524444
>financial times
>infowars
yawn

>>11524461
https://www.economist.com/
https://www.npr.org/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvqKZHpKs-g

These are my superior news outlets.

>>11524465
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/28/728659124/fbi-urges-universities-to-monitor-some-chinese-students-and-scholars-in-the-u-s

>>11524472
So basically the red scare?

>>11524465
>>11524472
https://www.npr.org/2020/02/13/805548681/harvard-yale-targets-of-education-department-probe-into-foreign-donations

>>11524475
it's warranted.

>>11524485
What is? Enabling a class divide between the workers & the owners of capital?

>>11524498
rooting out foreign infiltration into our institutions who try to sabotage and/or even kill us so that their country gets a leg up over ours.
https://news.yahoo.com/suspected-sars-virus-and-flu-found-in-luggage-fbi-report-describes-chinas-biosecurity-risk-144526820.html

look, dude. i'm not happy about the class divide in the us but china is that much worse when it comes to inequity. the fact you would suck winnie the pooh's dick so blindly tells me you don't care about anything but labels. just like with science, you just need that good 'ol sciencetm seal and it's legit to you. but i digress on communism you're like "oh look the ccp has communist in their name they must be exactly what marx wanted." meanwhile i'm sure marx wouldn't want to be associated with the likes of dipshits like you actively pervert what he stood for.

>>11524518
All I'm saying is that the UN needs support, not to be beaten while their down.

You are the UN, I am the UN, we are the UN. We create the change we want, ourselves. If we choose to take initiative.

>>11524534
they need support for what? to be incompetent corrupt brainlets who at best fuck up this hard or at worst blatantly lie to us and fuck us over? no thanks. i'm not that stupid and gullible. the un needs to be cleaned up. all that corruption and incompetence rooted out. then they can have my support. till then you're just making excuses and relying on something untrustworthy at your own peril. no, dude. the most help we can give the un is call for a much needed investigation and restructuring so they do what they were intended to do. not be the liability that funnels our money from us that they currently are.

>>11524572
I'm pretty sure that statement is easily applicable towards your domestic government.

Unless of course you're a blind nationalist.

>>11524581
not nearly as applicable as it is to the WHO. even orange cheeto while an incompetent nincompoop did more to protect the US than the WHO. weeks before the WHO admitted this was a pandemic despite being blatantly obvious, blumpf shut down air travel to china. and what did the WHO do? bitch about it. so even orange cheeto is more trustworthy than they are.
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/who-chief-urges-countries-not-close-borders-foreigners-china

>>11524603
Haven't you even taken an international relations course? The United Nations has no power other than to influence sovereign states.

>>11524142
I'm criticizing their effectiveness as an organization and their integrity. Their handling of this crisis and their dick sucking of Chinese authorities should alarm you.

>>11524615
yeah and their influence is toxic. they are essentially an advisory board no thinking person should trust.

>>11524475
>>11524498
Holy shit you /leftypol/ retards stick out like a sore thumb. I realize you don't have a patriotic bone in your body and the idea that foreign spies stealing scientific data and other classified information doesn't bother you but it's in the national interest of any country to stop what's going on here.

You're more pathetic than a janny dude. Imagine doing shill work on behalf of the CCP for free.

>>11524624
You know what man

Fuck you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF0Mia7oYvA

>>11524649
Not him but this is what absolute defeat looks like.

You lost. Consider suicide.

>>11524657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdPU_VnC6UI

>you in pic one day
UN is ANTIFA, bitch.

>>11524664
>Why would an organization with no actual power be able to prevent the pandemic?
because they are responsible in advising national health ministries on how to respond to pandemics.
> Literally all they can do is recommend a course of action that can be ignored by retards who run countries and claim it was a hoax.
funny how what they recommended was keeping air travel open, that china had this under control, and countries should just go about their business like it wasn't transmissible from human to human. and calling an obvious pandemic weeks late. also on blumpf calling it a hoax:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/
>Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

>>11524664
Governments trust their information and that gives them influence you stupid faggot. They don't need to literally have executive authority over governments to have power. Imagine coming to /sci/ and being this much of a fucking retard. No wonder you shill for the CCP and the WHO for free.

>>11524673
Completely disregards Trump wanting to open the economy up. You're obviously buying into the white nationalist blame game, nazi.

>>11524649
>>11524668
no one cares about your shitty punk rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xyp_YFknLg

>>11524677
>deflects to Trump
Not an argument. He's a blundering fool but how does that make WHO not worthless in their own right.

>>11524677
>Completely disregards Trump wanting to open the economy up.
no shit he would want to, we all want to go back to work. i guess you don't because you live on state handouts anyway.
>nazi nazi
my best friend is jewish.

>>11524688
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/
>Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

Here's some science for you

>>11524693
not an argument

>>11524688
Imagine spreading false information just so you can score some political points against Cheetoh Hitler. Do you have no shame? Really nice deflection though, I guess you didn't have a good response.

>>11524668
>ANTIFA

>>11524707
This is what uneducated hicks actually think anti-fascists aka liberal art students are like.

>>11524708
so why did he establish the task force to deal with it if it was a a hoax? why did he act on it before the who called it a pandemic? because "this is their new hoax" doesn't refer to the virus itself, brainlet.
> why do you need a third party to parse that for you? Are you an actual NPC?
lol says the npc brainlet who needs an excel spreadsheet for what is and isn't credible news. the only reason i posted snopes is because it is expedient.

>>11524712
they're not wrong. i walked by their faculties every day on my way to my stemlord lectures and can confirm.

>>11524719
how about you show me your source for this instead.
>>11524720
yes at the WHO offices.

>>11524724
>muh Taiwan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKaUnCSGXlw

It's not called the progressive party without a reason.

>>11524736
https://youtu.be/sMDxK_Su_n4?t=225

>>11524736

>>11524723
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/tucker-carlson-on-how-he-brought-coronavirus-message-to-mar-a-lago

read up you dumb bitch, but I bet you're gonna cry that it isn't from infowars or breitbart

coof

>>11524754
White nationalist's ego are hurt because their priorities are all fucked up.

Conservatards are too busy looking at China when they should be looking at Denmark.

>>11524739
good on tucker, looks like he is more reliable than the WHO too that downplayed the transmission of the virus and then went on a spegout when blumpf acted on it rationally by closing down air travel.

>>11524764
Are you really this fucking brainwashed & stupid?

Goddamn

>>11524761
>Denmark
https://www.gisreportsonline.com/opinion-the-danes-know-that-uncontrolled-immigration-would-damage-their-welfare-system,politics,3078.html

>>11524768
>Are you really this fucking brainwashed & stupid?
no but you are.
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/who-chief-urges-countries-not-close-borders-foreigners-china

>>11524774
>https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/who-chief-urges-countries-not-close-borders-foreigners-china
>preparedness, not panic.”
>Tedros said only solidarity and cooperation among all countries will defeat the coronavirus outbreak. He said everyone is in this together and the only way to stop the virus from spreading is by working together.

>>11524772
>https://www.gisreportsonline.com/opinion-the-danes-know-that-uncontrolled-immigration-would-damage-their-welfare-system,politics,3078.html
a)opinion is in the link
b)this is more white nationalist propaganda towards a nation with a superior neoliberal ideology, similar to that of the United Nations.

>>11524784
>>Tedros said only solidarity and cooperation among all countries will defeat the coronavirus outbreak. He said everyone is in this together and the only way to stop the virus from spreading is by working together.
ok and shutting down air travel from the point of origin is the rational thing to do. doesn't stop them from cooperation despite what this obfuscation may have you believe.

>>11524784
>b)this is more white nationalist propaganda towards a nation with a superior neoliberal ideology, similar to that of the United Nations.
https://time.com/5504331/denmark-migrants-lindholm-island/

>>11524789
https://twitter.com/benyt/status/1245529084534366208

Blame yourself faggot

>>11524831
>January 14th
You're obviously subscribing to the black and white fallacy when blaming the WHO for a natural phenomenon.

>>11524847
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

>>11524849
you don't have to provide me that link. i've been looking at the john hopkins database since you were on about it being "just flu bro".

>>11524868
Who said I was trying to pin it on trump?
Bitch I'm an egalitarian. Egalitarians (the ideology of the United Nations) see things from both sides, that why they stand for WORLD PEACE which is SDG #16.

>>11524878
>Bitch I'm an egalitarian. Egalitarians (the ideology of the United Nations) see things from both sides
lmao, sure you do. i'm a centrist. i actually see things from both sides. and i know for a fact you live in a bubble on twitter along with your other tankie friends. hence your knee jerk dismissal of conservatives and nationalists as evidenced throughout this thread. i actually give them an ear as i do to leftists when they are honest. and lemme tell you, you are as bad as those dishonest nazis you screech on about.

>>11524892
>i know for a fact you live in a bubble on twitter along with your other tankie friend

I don't even have a twitter.

>>11524901
That's surprising given the incredible amount of retardation you display.

>>11524901
>>11524892

tl;dr you base your arguments in assumptions.

>>11524901
i really don't care. you are blatantly dishonest one way or another. you started off with all this whataboutism about trump to distract from genuine criticism of the WHO then go onto say "Who said I was trying to pin it on trump?" ffs it's pathetic.

>>11524908
so desperate to use an off the cuff remark as evidence for anything. pathetic. grasping at straws.

>>11524915

>>11524915
>Questions the integrity of someone who studies Confucianism.

Okay
>Keep assuming

>>11524920
>>11524936
look mang, don't pin yourself to any ideology. free yourself from those chains. sometimes the left has good pts, sometimes the right does. sometimes authoritarians. sometimes libertarians. sometimes commies. and sometimes even fascists. liberals, conservatives, egalitarians, nationalists, confucianists, falun gongs, etc. be your own person. there is no reason to go defending something when it fucks up. the goal is for all of us to be happy and healthy, right? all ideologies have their strengths and weaknesses. but being a zealot is a one way street to misery. you should treat politics like an a la carte menu, not table d'hote. but i get it, you put a lot of investment into this so it's hard when you have your heart wound up in it. you want to defend it so badly like someone going through an abusive relationship denying it to their friends and family when they point out the black eye. but trust me bro the second you sever the tie you'll be on a better path.

>>11524962
You're trying to convince a deeply brainwashed /leftypol/ refugee. I admire your dedication but it's probably a lost cause.

>>11524962
I respect your words, and I will take them seriously.

That being said, I will stand by those Sustainable Development Goals for many years to come, because I know that those SDG's are justified common morality.

Test

>>11524966
hey those are good goals but if you want them realized you need to be critical of the organization too. bad actors will weasel their way into institutions like that and sabotage it. stay vigilant. and sorry for getting heated in places. i'm just really angry at the state of the world's public health systems other than sk and taiwan. after the the dust settles we as a species really need to restructure everything from local hospital administrations all the way up to global public health organizations like the who to make sure something like this never happens again.

oh noes i got the e-coofs again. re-infected. shit.

>>11524974
You're right anon, and we had a very productive conversation which I appreciate. We're in this together.

Remember our roots.

The real disease is the reading comprehension of americans.

>>11524991
likewise appreciate it, senpai. together we can beat this.

>>11523515
>WHO warns world of potential pandemic months ago
>Trump spends ages denying it and promising Americans it's nothing to worry about
>America gets it hard
>Trump criticizes China for not being serious about it
>Trump loving Americans start blaming China and WHO
Why are these brainwashed low IQ luddites allowed to vote?

>>11527117
>>WHO warns world of potential pandemic months ago
by telling them china got it under control and there is no evidence of human transmission of a virus ffs.
>>Trump spends ages denying it and promising Americans it's nothing to worry about
by closing down air travel which drew screeching from the WHO weeks before the WHO called it a pandemic.

>>11527117
>>WHO warns world of potential pandemic months ago
by telling them china got it under control and there is no evidence of human transmission of a virus ffs.
>>Trump spends ages denying it and promising Americans it's nothing to worry about
by closing down air travel which drew screeching from the WHO weeks before the WHO called it a pandemic.
>>America gets it hard
because america was taking advice from the WHO and thus didn't act on time.
>>Trump criticizes China for not being serious about it
which he has a point since china spent months hunting down whistle blowers who were labelled "rumormongers" when they were trying to sound the alarm.
>>Trump loving Americans start blaming China and WHO
and people who aren't braindead smoothbrains who weren't paying attention to what was going on since january.
>Why are these brainwashed low IQ luddites allowed to vote?
at this point you are more retarded than the average blumpf voter.

>>11527117
Trump is 100% right on the China issue.
He is a moron and a scumbag in every other respect. But he's right on the money on China.

Even a broken clock gives the right time twice a day.

>>11523515
Jan 29th
emergency task force started
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-presidents-coronavirus-task-force/

Jan 30th
WHO finally declares COVID19 a global emergency.
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/30-01-2020-statement-on-the-second-meeting-of-the-international-health-regulations-(2005)-emergency-committee-regarding-the-outbreak-of-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)

looks like even blumpf was on it before the WHO.

>>11523515
Who the fuck considered them a legitimate organization before this clusterfuck?
They're a part of UN for fucks sake. The most corrupt entity in recorded history. The same entity that puts the worst offenders of human rights on the human rights council.

>>11527232
>They're a part of UN for fucks sake. The most corrupt entity in recorded history. The same entity that puts the worst offenders of human rights on the human rights council.
They do this to hold them accountable. That's why the Security General is from Portugal.

>>11527253
Great theory, except they don't.

>>11528174
Tell my professor that.

>>11528179
Professors are full of shit all the time. Feel free to tell him yourself. You're the taking his classes.

>>11528182
>assumes gender

>>11528186
I assume lots of things. I assumed I was talking to an adult too, seems I was wrong on that count though.

>>11528193
just like how you also assume your core argument amirite

>>11528196
My core argument was that they're not holding them accountable.
Tell me, are they really holding Saudi Arabia accountable for human rights violations? No, not even slightly. The security general coming from Portugal is there because he misappropriated funds from his home country to get there, just like every other former politician who ends up in the the UN.

>>11528202
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/technical-guidance

>>11528205
>claiming accountability is the same as actual accountability
absolute midwit