/sci/ - Science & Math

America has been wanting to do that since the 50s. There is like 400 thousand tons of NASA rubbish and cars up there too. Lets pollute and nuke every fucking damn thing in space. It`s the American way.

>>11510853

Maybe we should blow up OP ass with a BBC nuke.

>>11510853

There is an episode of the 90's comedy program "Mr. Show" on this very topic. I highly recommend that you look it up.

Storms and hurricanes would be helluva stronger
No more tides hence salinity and temperature of the water would no longer be in constant movement.
Dry places on earth would be drier and wet/cold places wetter.
Effects on the magnetic field is guaranteed and would destroy plenty of living creatures

>>11510853
>Blowing up the Moon would solve virtually every problem of human existence.
False
>A Moonless Earth wouldn't wobble,
False
>eliminating both the seasons
False
>and its associated events like heat waves,
False
>snowstorms
False
>and hurricanes.
False.

>>11510853
How small do you think the moon is

>>11510853
Seasons depend on axial tilt on earth and to a lesser degree, eccentricity of its orbit. One learns this one in school. The orbit of Earth and Moon do not have the same period as the seasons; from that you can infer they do not cause the seasons.

>>11511044
Well just fucking put a strong chain from the pole of the Earth, anchor it on the moon, and pull the Earth slightly to correct the tilt.

>>11511029
Hey bud, if the moon is so great than how come we aren't spending trillions of dollars to send material up there to increase its mass?
checkmate

it's not a great idea

>>11510853
If global warming is bad because it raises sea level, and the moon controls water on Earth by pulling on it with its gravitational field, why don't we just blow off parts of the moon to reduce its mass and therefore its gravity?

>>11510853
Enjoy your well-deserved mass extinction event caused by remnants of the Moon falling down to Earth

>>11511032
To add to that:
>blowing up the moon would absolutely devastate the ecosystems on our planet leading to mass extinctions.

>>11510853
Read the book or watch the movie "The Time Machine". Blowing up the moon is a very bad idea.

>>11511458
Who cares? Fuck ecosystems. All we need is farmland. Nothing else matters.

It's an interesting hypothesis that's been going for almost a century, the truth is, we would all live in a Miami climate, the consequences for wildlife would be utterly catastrophic and would trigger a mass extinction event so fast, it would wipe us all out not before long.

There would be huge effects to gravity dependant systems such as the sea level.

No, leave the moon well the fuck alone.

>>11511499
>the truth is, we would all live in a Miami climate

Paradise.

>the consequences for wildlife would be utterly catastrophic and would trigger a mass extinction

There is literally no connection between the health of wild ecosystems and human welfare.

>>11511120
Don't fix it if it ain't broke. Also, increasing it's mass enough would pull it into the earth, and naturally destroy most life, if not the whole planet.

>>11511514
>There is literally no connection between the health of wild ecosystems and human welfare.

No, they just provide all the chemicals you require to function.

>>11511519
>No, they just provide all the chemicals you require to function.

No, that’d be farms, which require the displacement of wasteful “ecosystems” to be created. Please try again, treehugger.

>>11511530
>farms can be fertilised and grown with man made oxygen and nitrogen

>>11511541
Farms produce their own oxygen because they’re, you know, plants, and we actually do fertilize crops using man-made nitrogen fertilizer. We get it from mines. Environmentalism is nothing but a religion for atheists.

>>11511550
>We get it from mines.
>man-made
I do not think that word means what you think it means.

>>11510853
What about a giant asteroid that comes falling down and we become extinct like the dinosaurs you dingus

>>11511558
>I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Semantics. Nitrogen derived from mines has nothing to do with the “ecosystem”, so your original claim remains wrong. Go worship trees somewhere else.

>>11510853
a moonless earth would actually flip around constantly

>>11511516
i see you opted for the fight brainlet with brainlet approach

>>11511514
>There is literally no connection between the health of wild ecosystems and human welfare.
Oh fuck yes there is, you idiot
85% of oxygen comes from planktons
60% of global carbon emission are contained by tress unto their bark
Loss of polinators have decreased production of agricultural produce by 80%
The world rakes as much $100 Trillion per year from the benefits obtained from nature such as medicine, tourism, natural resources, and research
For comparision:
AAAAAAALLLLLL the companies in the world makes only $10 Trillion per year

And this is not including the drastic effects on societal and cultural aspect of every nation. No sane person wanted to live in an underground bunker forever

>>11511596
>AAAAAAALLLLLL the companies in the world makes only $10 Trillion per year
Shit, my bad my bad. I just rechecked
Only the Top 50 companies.

>>11511596
>Loss of polinators have decreased production of agricultural produce by 80%

I know this is a lie, so I want to know your source.

> The world rakes as much $100 Trillion per year from the benefits obtained from nature such as medicine, tourism, natural resources, and research

That’s higher than the GDP of the entire world so I know that’s a lie.

> And this is not including the drastic effects on societal and cultural aspect of every nation.

I would be happy knowing that all life on Earth has gone extinct while humans live in rotating space habitats.

>>11510853
Imagine taking the moon away and observing the gravitational field. I feel like the gravitational force on Earth would increase thus slightly weighting maybe even crush us.

Gud b8 anon.

>>11511612
>An estimated 87.5% of the world's flowering plant species are animal-pollinated,[10] and 35% of crop production[11] and 60% of crop plant species[12] depend on animal pollinators. This includes the majority of fruits, many vegetables (or their seed crop), and secondary effects from legumes such as alfalfa and clover fed to livestock.[13]
>In 2000, Drs. Roger Morse and Nicholas Calderone of Cornell University attempted to quantify the effects of just one pollinator, the western honey bee, on only US food crops. Their calculations came up with a figure of US$14.6 billion in food crop value.[14] In 2009, another study calculated the worldwide value of pollination to agriculture. They calculated the costs using the proportion of each of 100 crops that need pollinators that would not be produced in case insect pollinators disappeared completely. The economic value of insect pollination was then of €153 billion.[15]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378014000685
Global GDP is $127 Trillion
$100 Trillion relies on nature such as agriculture, aquatic resource, and so on.

The fuck you mean migrate to space?
We ARE already in space and Earth is our Ship.
If you want an artificial spaceship that can acomodate 7Billion people, that ship would have an interior that is vastly inferior to Earth's landscape.

>>11511458
Citation needed

>>11511656
Basic meteorology

>>11511616
you mean the lunar effect on tides would stop, it's not strong enough for you to directly feel it

>>11511697
You don't feel the magnetic fields either but it sure a major thing that keeps Earth habitable

Without the tides waves would be bigger
The salinity and temperature of the water would stop its distribution and cause the nutrients to get locked in the frozen artic encircled by unhabitably salty water.
This uneven distribution of sality would also result into different effects on the weather as the cold water and air is locked in one place. The pressure between them would be fuckin gigantic and result into colossal storms with hails as big as bowling balls
The worst part is that the desert equator would be completely barren as the nutrient in the soil never gets refilled and result into a massive desert that crawls hastily

And so much more

>>11511632
I hate to tell you this but the western honey bee is a domesticated animal like chickens or pigs.

>>11511712
They are responsible for just $15B of agri produce
Pollinators in total have $24B
Wild ones are known for being better polinators precisely because they were not bred for the role of producing honey but were naturally selected to grow their hive tirelessly before the winter

They could easy topple the domesticated bee's contribution we gave them the same amount of habitat

>>11511710
magnetic fields don't keep the earth habitable in the short-term, if they suddenly disappeared it would take a million years for the environment to change severely, which sure is a reason why we're here since life has been developing for billions of years, but on a human time frame it's imperceptible

"nutrients" don't get locked anywhere, the only substances the biosphere needs are in the atmosphere and from tectonic activity

the ocean currents would surely change with a reduction of tidal forces, but again it's not something that you'd immediately see, you certainly wouldn't be "crushed" by it as you imagine

as for the equator, funny thing, that would be gone too, which is probably the most catastrophic effect the lack of the moon would have, as it's keeping the earth in a stable rotation, but it seems like you're just regurgitating some vague notion of environmental alarmism via buzzwords instead of trying to talk about what would actually happen

>>11511725
The magnetic field keeps the Earth from frying, you idiot.

>what is the Carboniferous Era and the Great RainForest Fall
Have you ever wondered how coals came to be?

Yes we would. High Tide and Low Tide happen every day. This time, it would be even more tremendous at selected places

>what is the Saharan Dust and its contribution to the Amazon Rain Forest

How many arguments have you lost so far?
How long do I have to wait before you could reply?

>>11511731
>rainforest fall
Sorry, I meant Carboniferous rainforest collapse

>>11511731
>The magnetic field keeps the Earth from frying, you idiot.
no it doesn't, you idiot

>Have you ever wondered how coals came to be?
coal is not a vital nutrient for the biosphere, you idiot

>Yes we would. High Tide and Low Tide happen every day. This time, it would be even more tremendous at selected places
uh no, if the moon disappeared the larger effect on the tides would disappear, so they would be less than half of what they are now, what are you even smoking

>what is the Saharan Dust and its contribution to the Amazon Rain Forest
a result of ancient tectonics

>How many arguments have you lost so far?
in this thread? none, you seem to be changing the topic haphazardly between a dozen different things, most of them don't even have anything to do with the moon, so it's not like you even tried to make an argument yourself

>>11510853
While I've seen a few studies disapproving this theory, to me it seems pretty obvious, the tidal effects of moon are what's keeping the inside of earth liquid and producing the magnetic field.

I mean earth is relatively small planet with disproportionately large moon and is also the most geologically active small planet we know of, with a fairly strong magnetic field.

If moon's gravity is enough to cause tides in the sea, I just seems natural, it would also cause tides inside the earth. Earth is basically a ball of lava, with a thin crust floating on top.

Also, if earth's core is solid, wouldn't moon's gravity sort of drag it around inside the liquid, stirring the lava.

TLDR; I'm a firm believer that moon keeps earth geologically active and helps maintain the magnetic field.

>>11511738
models, both theoretical and experimental with those magnetic sodium spheres they're doing, show that tidal forces aren't necessary for the earth to keep its mantle liquid and a self-perpetuating magnetic field running, though as you say the interior of the earth is surely strongly affected by the tides (of course i will remind you that the sun also comparable tides to the moon, only somewhat weaker ones)

>>11511736
>But what would happen if Earth's magnetic field disappeared tomorrow? A larger number of charged solar particles would bombard the planet, putting power grids and satellites on the fritz and increasing human exposure to higher levels of cancer-causing ultraviolet radiation. In other words, a missing magnetic field would have consequences that would be problematic but not necessarily apocalyptic, at least in the short term.
Do you know how Mars became so dry?
Because it's core cooled down

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
So you really do not know what happened in the Carboniferous Era and the extinction that happened precisely because the nutrients in the barks cannot be released back into the atmosphere because the

Because the northern winds totally have no effect on the Northern White Waters and how the Moon distributes those waters to ensure it doesn't get locked in one area

>Saharan and Morrocan phosphorous
>Tectonics
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
It's all from ancient sea shells that would all die once the minerals of the sea stopped being redistributed and got locked into the frozen poles

>>11511741
>Do you know how Mars became so dry?
yes, that was what my point was based on actually, the lack of a magnetic field would cause the atmosphere to deplete, but it would only happen over time spans much longer than humanity has existed or will exist... you wouldn't notice it yourself

>So you really do not know what happened in the Carboniferous Era and the extinction that happened precisely because the nutrients in the barks cannot be released back into the atmosphere because the
anon, there is no impending lack of carbon scheduled for the next half billion years, you again wouldn't notice it in your lifetime or even humanity's lifetime

>It's all from ancient sea shells
which come from tectonics, it's just the earth dude, damn you're dumb

>>11511744
Oh there it is
Another argument you skipped
Thanks

Really?
You mean I totally wouldn't notice the fact that the internet and many electric appliances would stop working, GPS satelites would all be disfunctional, and we get blown back to the era before electricity?

Yes there is. Once everything got locked into 1 place again because you removed the biggest distributor of the Earth's nutrients.

Sea shells did not come from tectonics. In fact, tectonics DISSOLVE sea shells via acid rain that causes more oxygen in the water and therefore causing the phosphorus to break down
Do you even know the Devonian Mass Dying?

What am I saying, of course you don't

>>11511749
you have no room to talk about "skipping" arguments when you don't even keep to a single argument of your own from post to post

>You mean I totally wouldn't notice the fact that the internet and many electric appliances would stop working, GPS satelites would all be disfunctional, and we get blown back to the era before electricity?
oh sure, you'd also notice it with a magnetometer, but you wouldn't personally notice any difference with your senses

>Yes there is. Once everything got locked into 1 place again because you removed the biggest distributor of the Earth's nutrients.
anon, the oceanic currents being disrupted is not the same thing as them being magically frozen, weather would still exist even without the moon, both in the atmosphere and in the seas

i can't believe i need to point this out to you

>Sea shells did not come from tectonics.
uh yes they did, the entirety of the earth can be described as coming from tectonics, all of the minerals on the surface are tectonic in origin with the minor exception of very recent meteoric impacts which are very negligible

>In fact, tectonics DISSOLVE sea shells
wow you really are retarded...

so then, you big brain you, how come we haven't run out of tectonic plates yet? it's almost like when old ones are dissolved new ones sprout from the same process, which brings new minerals to the surface

>>11511749
also, while we could argue about whether the earth's magnetic field is supported by the moon's tides or not, the moon disappearing overnight wouldn't cause the magnetic field to diminish overnight, it would take a very long time for the interior to cool that much, likely on the order of billions of years

>>11511758
Civilization dying can be seen even by a blind eye, HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Keep giving me excuses

Yeah, but have you even taken even the basics of meteorology and how the redistribution of cold and warm water is absolutely vital to the continued existence of most life on Earth?
Hint: it all starts at the planktons and the corrals
Oh, and the extreme pressure between the new temperature between the hemispheres would result into massive storms and cyclones.

Oh suuuuuure.
And the Ocean holds more precious metals than anything we have ever mined in history but we can never use them because they were far too dilluted
What are you gonna do? Invent a tool that can and uses no electricity?
It's all thanks to the wild life that they can compile them all into an actual usable pile

Say thanks to the wild life and leave the moon - their nutrient supplier - completely alone and unharmed

You're so funny

>>11511765
>magnetic fields don't keep the earth habitable in the short-term, if they suddenly disappeared it would take a million years for the environment to change severely, which sure is a reason why we're here since life has been developing for billions of years, but on a human time frame it's imperceptible

You're fault for being a veeeeeeeery easy target

>>11511776
anon, the time frames all of these things you are so worried about are so long that humanity will be gone one way or another before that, either by extinction or by evolution into something entirely different

>Yeah, but have you even taken even the basics of meteorology and how the redistribution of cold and warm water is absolutely vital to the continued existence of most life on Earth?
the redistribution of water wouldn't magically stop you fucking brainlet

>>11511785
>i was only pretending to be retarded
i will continue to call you retarded as long as you act retarded

>>11511792
It took you 10 minutes
TEN FUCKING MINUTES
And that's all you can say?

All you can say is that the nutrients in the water would continue to be redistributed when this completely false given by the fact that the poles already holds 99% of fresh water and kilometers worth of carbon and phosphorus are locked in the Permafrost right now?
Which would grow bigger without the moon.

DO. SOME. RESEARCH. RETARD

>>11511792
Oh, and civilization's death happened because you did doomed humanity by removing the magnetic field

So, yeah, fuck you

>>11511804
no, it didn't take me ten minutes, i immediately called you out on acting schizo, but i have no reason to not engage your "arguments", tearing down laughable nonsense on my second screen is entertaining enough

>All you can say is that the nutrients in the water would continue to be redistributed when this completely false given by the fact that the poles already holds 99% of fresh water and kilometers worth of carbon and phosphorus are locked in the Permafrost right now?
doesn't matter, weather wouldn't magically stop, there's a big difference between diminishment/change and the literal magical stasis you seem to be arguing in favor of

>DO. SOME. RESEARCH. RETARD
take your meds, you're incoherent

>>11511807
would have (is) happened before the effects of the moon being gone were felt in any meaningful way

>7 minutes
Yeah, fuck off.
You're taking too long to reply.

Goodbye, retard

>>11511816
aw, and we were just starting to have fun

>>11511697
Well yeah that too but I think of it in terms of relativity. If you have one mass on a mattress and another that's like 10x heavier taking away the small mass off the mattress may seem negligible but on large scale I think it would be somewhat noticeable. I don't think it would actually crush us but I do think it would increase the gravitational constant. I could be wrong though.

>>11510853
how would we blow up the moon

enjoy the meteorfall and the new belt motherfucker. And no spacetravel ever.

>>11511843
it wouldn't be noticeable directly, just like you don't notice the moon's pull cycle from pulling you down when it's on the other side of the world to pulling you upwards when it's in the sky above you, even though it technically is doing those things

>>11511341
Also...

>>11511032
>shilling this hard for moonists

>>11511341
Is this any good?
I only got a couple of chapters in, and it's very girly.

Obviously it's necessary else God wouldn't have put it there

>>11513069
It's amazing, but it was written by a woman so you might not be able to stomach that.