/sci/ - Science & Math

I just think the world is gonna want to put its collective foot up China's ass.

>>11490490
I'm curious to see how /pol/ backtracks on their initial assessment of the pandemic's severity. A lot of white men are going to die, so they'll definitely notice.

If genetic engineering regulations were lighter, we could solve this in a month. Just make the cell produce microRNA complementary to a conservative region of the viral mRNA and you get rid of the problem, without the need of dumping toxic shit in your body.

>>11490536
>just make the cell produce microRNAs
That would be a technological leap forward all on its own. In vivo modification in humans has only been done a handful of time and we have yet to see how well it works. Also how would you regulate the expression of these immuno-miRNAs since we have a fuzzy grasp of how regular miRNAs are regulated. I dont think the idea is bad, in fact I think it sounds amazing, I just doubt that this is possible with our current level of knowledge about genetic engineering.

>>11490536
uhh. Yeah that is not a good way to do that.

>>11490524
rent free

>>11490559
how will we ever fill this knowledge gap if we don't do it?

>>11490573
Imagine feeling insulted by an honest observation. How does it feel to find out your team's view of the world is demonstrably wrong?

>>11490490
it will also spur more automation. this pandemic has shed a lot of light on what a fragile house of cards this global economy is. can't even go a week of shutdown without it going to shit because we rely too much on human labor. so many industries don't need humans around at all anymore and would never need to shut down if they just went full auto.

>>11490603
you need to see and ophthalmologist if this is what you think you observed. /pol/ weren't the ones saying it's just flu bro nothingburger. those were soiboys. /pol/ called this the happening as they always do.

>>11490559
>>11490567
I'm not saying that it's something we could sit down and achieve after a few tests, but if the regulations hadn't suffocate the industry in the last decade, it would have already been in our grasp.

>>11490626
You're delusional if you think the default /pol/ opinion is anything other than unquestioning agreement with Trump - unless Jews are involved, obviously.

everyone who survived the different corona strains will develop superhuman capabilities
they will monetize fights between these monsters and it will save the entertainment industry

>>11490650
there is a whole catalog of threads that show otherwise. you can see them deriding the "just flu bro" downplaying that the soiboy msm was doing. not to mention many of their biggest yters also going after the msm for this shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqhJmsZC_a4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdaPXb1Weg8

>>11490676
>The Internet Aristocrat

LMAO, get off this board, kid

>>11490740
still salty about gamergate, ghazi?

>>11490750
I was on your side back then, but also I was like 19 and didn't know shit about the world. Most of us grew out of our /pol/ phase. It physically hurts me to imagine someone in their late 20s still lurking that shithole. Life is literally over for you at that point, my guy.

>>11490524
A lot of older white guys especially.

>>11490612
I think the total opposite is going to happen. Its not that we need more automation. Its that the average worker is what props up the ones at the top. Thats the problem. The ones at the top have to go. Thats the only option. If that happens the economy will naturally sort its self out. I mean literally naturally. Those who can do things can still do them. But all our priorities as a collective are whats going to matter. So chances are technology will change drastically. We care about technology mostly for its value in entertainment. Like how we are all using the computer right now to talk to each other. Or netflix to watch things. Humans will want that to continue.

Lets say this does take maybe a quarter of people. That means that everything will change from that point on. We all better start hoping praying and thinking about how much better the world will be only if we completely destroy technology as we know it now. There's no other way out. It's sad and scary but true. Im scared. But we cant do what we are doing now. We are killing the earth and this wont work. It just wont. Billionaires wont work. We better expect death if we dont change now. I mean. Now...

>>11490801
i'm not really on anyone's side, nor do i browse /pol/. i just remember back in early feb /pol/ was going ballistic here about the kung flu while they were getting attacked over it by posters who are clearly of the soilent variety. felt like doing an honest fact check here is all.

>>11490856
>I don't browse /pol/ but here's what was happening on /pol/ last month
people like you need to be publicly executed as an example

>>11490861
great reading comprehension there.

>>11490612
>automation
It's already forcing the dinosaurs in Congress to consider Andrew Yang-style ideas. Clearly, working from home is the future. It has been the future for a long time, but managers decided that people who go home to work get lazy. While they're not wrong, this is just a new hurdle that they simply didn't have the incentive to overcome. Now they do.

>>11490490
Patent laws will ruin everything.

>>11490931
do away with them
immediately

>>11490936
Hahahaha that's not going to happen, we're going to get human genetic modification with the tumor known as patents attached to it, ruining what could've been a wonderful thing.

>>11490939
It's already a shit show because of Monsanto.

>>11490835
>Its that the average worker is what props up the ones at the top. Thats the problem. The ones at the top have to go. Thats the only option. If that happens the economy will naturally sort its self out.

I agree. The whole name of the system is capitalism. Those with capital are suppose to be those on the top. Don't these business have capital they can use to pay the bills while the business shuts down for a month or two.

The answer is they don't. They loan all of their money at interest rates regular people can't get. Its a fixed system. Some people get to borrow money at next to zero percent interest rates to buy up everything. The rest of us have to use credit cards at 20% interest just to make ends meet.

Fuck the jewish upper class.

>>11490931
>>11490936

You are stupid children. Profit incentivizes. Absent secure profit (for a time), less gets done. Wah, but muh corporations being all corporationy, wah, people do wikipedia for free there's more to life. Yeah, as a fucking hobby, not a business enterprise.

HEY REMEMEBER THE POWER GRAB AFTER 911?

YEAH MULTIPLY THE PATRIOT ACT TIMES 10

THERE WILL BE A SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM PUT IN PLACE AND ALL THE TIMES YOU SAID NIGGER OF 4CHAN WILL PREVENT YOU FROM OWNING A BANK ACCOUNT OR INTERNET ACCESS!

ITS ALREADY CONFIRMED THAT THEY WILL USE YOUR SMART PHONE AS A SECURITY TOKEN TO BE USED IN QUARENTINES AND VERIFYING THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO MOVE IN AN AREA OR GO OUTSIDE PIC RELATED

https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo-is-being-suggested-to-id-vaccinated-kids
qZ4yT71w9hsHy4Rn1FAkkR8p

*PLASTIC COFFINS*

https://patents.google.com/patent/US10130701B2/en
>The present invention provides a live, attenuated coronavirus comprising a variant replicase gene encoding polyproteins comprising a mutation in one or more of non-structural protein(s) (nsp)-10, nsp-14, nsp-15 or nsp-16. The coronavirus may be used as a vaccine for treating and/or preventing a disease, such as infectious bronchitis, in a subject.

*PLASTIC COFFINS*

https://time.com/5804555/coronavirus-lockdown-uk/
>Tough Measures to Stem the Coronavirus Outbreak Could Be in Place for 18 Months, Scientists Say
>aggressive social distancing measures implemented now could “buy time” for the U.K. and other countries to eventually implement high-tech tracking and surveillance measures.

*PLASTIC COFFINS*

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/
>The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY.

*PLASTIC COFFINS*

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Coronavirus-and-homelessness-California-buys-15141873.php
>California buying 1,300 trailers, leasing hundreds of hotel rooms
>California building ghettos for homeless people
>California transporting homeless to FEMA camps

ALL THE THINGS YOU MADE FUN OF ALEX JONES FOR PREDICTING ARE LITERALLY CUMMING TRUE

>>11490964
While I understand that ants must be incentivized to build and maintain the ant hill, the greatest discoveries ever could be thought of as the result of someone's hobby. As re-popularized recently, Newton's greatest work was done under quarantine. What was the financial incentive there?

welcome to china 2.0

notice China gets more capitalist and the west gets more COMMUNIST

do you really think that the elites would do the right thing and decentralize the economy after this because it was too fragile???!?

or do you think they will use it as an excuse why "capitalism failed" (the most manipulated market in history) and then enforce draconian fascist policies that severely limit your freedoms and consolidate industry in the hands of the very few (the american CCP aka deep state?)

>>11490931
>>11490936
>>11490964
>>11490977
*Ahem*

SPEAKING OF PATENTS?!?!?

GUESS WHO IS AUTOMATICALLY ENTITELD TO THE MASSIVE CHUNK OF THE CORONA VIRUS VACCINE?!??!?!

IT STARTES WITH A "B"

AND ENDS WITH "ILL GATES"

(maybe) (i guess it might not be for this strain but still the ffact you can patent that is bullshit)

>>11490964
>You are stupid children. Profit incentivizes.
PATENT IS ARTIFICIAL PROFIT... JUST LIKE THE MILITARY CONTRACT FOR HTE F-35... ITS AN ARTIFICIAL MONOPOLY TOTALY INEFFECIENT

NOTICE HOW LINUX IS THE BEST OPERATING SYSTEM AND MICROSFOT AND MACINTOSH SUCK FUCKING BUTTHOLE AND LINUX IS FREE AS FUCK AND LINUS MADE IT FOR THE FREE FUCKING MARKET

>>11490979
>west gets more COMMUNIST
As Marx predicted, you must get through capitalism first before you get to communism. China, like Russia before them, tried to get there while skipping the necessary capitalist part. Big mistake.

>>11490964
this system is not working anymore

>>11490994
Why can't everyday people understand the big ideas that important philosophers put forward?
Are they really that stupid? Are they really dogs with the power of speech?

>>11490676
>>11490626
I'm pretty sure spewing blatant misinfo derived from misunderstandings of published research still falls under "being wrong"

>>11490971
Take your meds, schizo.

>>11490964
>Profit incentivizes
Cartels also de-incentivize, no less when it comes to how much of revenue goes back into research, and how much of the results of said research are shared between individuals collaborating for results that would render prior, and less effective, technologies less valuable by comparison. This is the reason that big pharma, the bigger and fewer the companies get, becomes more and more a mechanism for causing artificial scarcity in R&D, and less and less one for allocating resources for it.

>>11490524
>A lot of white men are going to die
Zero so far. Italians don't count.

>>11490971
>ITS ALREADY CONFIRMED THAT THEY WILL USE YOUR SMART PHONE AS A SECURITY TOKEN TO BE USED IN QUARENTINES AND VERIFYING THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO MOVE IN AN AREA OR GO OUTSIDE PIC RELATED
source?

>>11490979
>west gets more COMMUNIST

>and then enforce draconian fascist policies

ok

>>11490992
>GUESS WHO IS AUTOMATICALLY ENTITELD TO THE MASSIVE CHUNK OF THE CORONA VIRUS VACCINE?!??!?!


>(maybe)
>(i guess it might not be for this strain)

Le indecisive skizo

>>11490524
rent free

>>11490515
based

>>11490801
KEK I am 40 and I visit /pol/ since it started in 2011

>>11491573
https://time.com/5804555/coronavirus-lockdown-uk/
>aggressive social distancing measures implemented now could “buy time” for the U.K. and other countries to eventually implement high-tech tracking and surveillance measures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/coronavirus-location-tracking.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JADi2Px0xAg
>Coronavirus: China using app to track quarantined citizens

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/03/14/coronavirus-spy-apps-israel-joins-iran-and-china-tracking-citizens-smartphones-to-fight-covid-19/#2a68affe781b
>Coronavirus Spy Apps: Israel Joins Iran And China Tracking Citizens’ Smartphones To Fight COVID-19

see pic related it's Bill Gates talking about using "security tokens" to track vaccinated and quarinted people

the next step will be a social credit system and you will be prevented from staying out past a certain time because you said nigger too much of 4chenz

>>11491590
>west gets more COMMUNIST

>and then enforce draconian fascist policies

>ok

>implying there is any real difference besides aesthetics

Nazis: 20 million killed in camps

Mao and Stalin: 40 million killed in camps

either way the state will nationalize industry and you will need state permission to do anything

the point is that China is getting more "liberal" and the west is becoming more "fascist/communist"

>>11490994
>China, like Russia before them, tried to get there while skipping the necessary capitalist part. Big mistake.
china is doing great though?

see above comment

all nations are approaching and auhtoritarian average and the west is approaching it from a different level than china but they will end up the same

NOTICE THAT IN THE EU YOU WILL NEED A VPN STYLE HACK SOON TO AVOID UPLOAID FILTERS BECAUSE OF ARTICLE 13

LITERALLY THE GREAT FIREWALL TIER

>>11491169
this

>>11490650
As a /pol/tard, I resent this. I've been following WuFlu since 25th Jan and had to put up with nothingburgerers for almost 2 months before people started taking it even a little bit seriously (although many still don't). The /cvg/ threads were the most popular threads on that board and maxed out bump limit within and hour or two per thread - even though their take on the severity of the outbreak was contradictory to Trump's "everything is fine" attitude... an attitude shared by just about every other politician until their countries broke the 2k confirmed cases threshold.
>default /pol/ opinion is unquestioning agreement with Trump
The facts disprove your nonsense statement which amounts to nothing more an a disingenuous smear. Not only are you delusional, but retarded.

>>11491596
You are literally repeating the exact same phrase the other /pol/tard replied with. You people are sheep.

>>11491815
>The facts disprove your nonsense statement which amounts to nothing more an a disingenuous smear. Not only are you delusional, but retarded
There has been a PRESIDENT TRUMP GENERAL active *continuously* since before he was elected. That is a fact - one that is so obvious and contrary to your argument that I’m puzzled as to why you would prompt me to bring it up.

>>11490652
underrated post

>>11491815
Cool post. Now fuck off back to /pol/

>>11490626
how about you go back there and stay there retard.

>>11490992
>Arch
Cringe.

>>11490490
If anything, it will get worse.

>>11491954
funny because i only broke my installation twice in the last 6 years and they both were bullshit to do with X server and within 15 minutes i signed onto an IRC and they helped me diagnose and fix what was wrong

have fun with your ancient packages and overall shitty repositories that you have to add constantly meanwhile i will be chillin in the AUR

>>11490971
stop saying “plastic coffins” it is making me anxious

>>11491954
Imagine using an OS that gives you so much free time you can make images like that.


>>11492886
Don't worry, plastic coffins are too expensive now, we're switching to plastic-lined cardboard coffins.

>>11493139
>plastic-lined cardboard coffins
I think Iran is down to just the plastic lining by now

>>11490524
I quite clearly recall that it was mainstream "left wing" globalists and SJWs who were calling corona an "alt-right" conspiracy theory and telling people posting about it on /sci/ to "go to pol".

You guys don't realize it, but you are unironically 100% just as retarded, just as racist, and just as evil as the """Nazis""" you losers hate so much. Get a fucking life, and get a job you lazy, smelly, fucking tattoo covered loser.

>>11490650
100% accurate. I'm not an SJW, but poltard are basically just low IQ establishment neocon christfags. Of course, /sci/ is filled with ugly, bitter, pink-haired SJW losers, and that can be just as annoying, but the fact of the matter is that /pol/ is just as partisan as Twitter, Redit, or anywhere else on the internet, even if they pretend to be a bastion of free speech and independent thinking.

>>11490612
The problem isn't automation, or lack thereof. It's centralization and globalization. I'm not advocating closed borders or arguing against free trade, but there are much more economically and environmentally efficient ways to structure an economy regardless of whether that economy is automated or not. If the world were not quite so dependent of international trade, than restricting international trade and travel would not be nearly as difficult for the economy as int has been. In which case, countries would be much more inclined to take adequate precautions and restrict travel in the event of a global pandemic, since the economic consequences for doing so would not be as severe.

>>11493355
>I quite clearly recall that it was mainstream "left wing" globalists and SJWs who were calling corona an "alt-right" conspiracy theory
Bullshit. There’s no way you actually believe this.

>>11493256
Iran is down to dumping bodies in mass graves.

>>11490490
>My prediction is that when (and if) we get out of this nightmare, a lot of the stigma surrounding genetic engineering being used to alter/augment our genes will clear up.

Your prediction makes little sense. I'm not sure what kind of logic train you tried to use to conclude that after a viral pandemia we'll end up messing up with our genome.

>>11493477
>we'll end up messing up with our genome
Mistakes will be made. But it's better than what's going on now.

>>11493390
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a poltard, but if you've been paying attention, people were initially calling people "conspiracy theorists" for talking about it, and saying that it was "alt-right fearmongering" and described the virus as a "nothingburger". Right wingers were saying we should close borders, and many people on Twitter and YouTube claimed that this was fear mongering by "nationalists" who wanted to close our borders.

As soon as the first news reports of corona came out, poltards and other schizos were claiming that it was part of some sort of NWO population control measure. Again this should not be hard to believe, and can be verified by looking in the catalog to the old /cvg/ threads.

I completely agree that the poltards have completely shifted their stance, because now the epidemic is making Trump look incompetent, and even careless, which he is. But the fack of the matter is that poltards were in fact flipping out as soon as news of the virus became available. They were literally claiming that it was a bioweapon that was going to be used for population control.

Yes, I realize that the poltards have described it as a "left wing conspiracy", said that "it doesn't exist" and said that "it's just the flu". In fact, many of them are still saying that. Of course they're wrong and that's retarded, but it's simply a fact that their first reaction was to call COVID a "HAPPENING" and claim that it was going to kill millions of people. It was only after a few weeks that the poltard narrative shifted to "it nothing, the dems are trying to make Trump look bad, etc.".

>>11493501
>>11493390
For example, here is one news article from a month ago
https://thebiznews.org/2020/02/25/alt-right-group-coronavirus-was-originally-designed-to-kill-white-people/

>>11493417
>Iran is down to dumping bodies in mass graves.
[citation needed]

>>11493536
Look on the news, fucktard.

>>11490626
the italian newspaper "la Repubblica" published some article a couple of days ago blaming a football (soccer) match for the high number of coronavirus cases in Bergamo, in northern Italy

>>11490612
>it will also spur more automation
this. the whole trade war and then coronavirus will start making the leading classes to push for more (and cheaper) automation instead of hiring 3rd world workers.

>>11493355
>horseshoe theory but even stupider

bump

>>11490936
i think getting rid of them entirely is a bad idea. no-one has incentive to research without the ability to monopolise a discovery. the bad side of patents come from their abuse. things like slightly changing the chemical or finding a new use for a pre-existing chemical can confer an entirely new period of rights. this is abused heavily by pharma to keep medicines patented in perpetuity by just 'discovering' a new use for it when it nears its patent expiry date.

On the other hand, there is a serious line of argument that medical developments have never come as a result of directed research but tinkering and luck (byproducts of other research). If we have the balls we could do away entirely with patents with the expectation that tinkering and luck will give us new medicine like it has in the past. no-one needed directed research for penicillin for example. tinkering and lucky. tricky to sell though and i don't think anyone has the balls to do this.

>>11490939
That's distopian and ciberpunk ass fuck

>>11496216
>no-one has incentive to research
Honestly if you look at the scientists who actually do research, then you'll see that they hardly ever see the lucrative fruits of their work anyways. I think you mean ((investors)) have no incentive to fund research if they can't have the rights to it and make money off of it.

But it's not like relying on investors and the free market were a good mechanism to begin with for research: research and development is almost always a bad investment financially because of the timescales over which it can take to produce results and the stochastic nature of the product, which has led to more and more companies essentially shutting down research divisions because of diminishing returns, and stupid directives like the development of more animal antibiotics instead of ones for humans as they aren't lucrative. Wikipedia has a section on the risks of Business R&D that goes into more detail. If you want to optimize an existing product to streamline costs or increase performance (eg new iphones) then sure, patent law is great, but for most of the innovations that have tremendous financial impact patent law really isn't sufficient. More severe measures need to be taken unless all you really want is a faster cheaper iphone with more pixels.

>>11497017
i do mean ((investors))

>>11490490
Nothing will change
>>11490515
Okay kid.

>>11490490
Maybe people will have learned the value of spending time at home with their children.
I like to think that the Chinese will learn to blow their noses and cover up coughing and sneezing, but we all know that will never happen.

>>11490515
Friendly reminder to those who cry racism; Race =/= culture. You don't choose race but you do choose to uphold the values of a culture. Chinese culture is inferior and barbaric and is an existential threat to the human species. Those who still uphold Chinese values remain ignorant and inferior to the rest of the values of most of the developed world. They do not deserve respect, nor should we fall for apologists who will defend this culture and cry "rasism" without recognizing you can separate race from cultural values.

>>11497054
They never contributed much in the first place so it's not a big loss.