/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11482531
What is the draw of electrical engineering? I actually have no knowledge of it. Arent you just basically designing circuits for businesses? So youre like a really effective electrician? It sounds like very unrewarding work for me. Please enlighten me about this topic because to me it seems like the least rewarding field of science/math off the top of my head. Like if you were given a chance to change the world in a field your absolute last choice would be electrical engineering. Im not trying to shit on your field to be funny or anything. This is just the impression i have gotten through my day to day casual life.

>>11482531
>electrical engineering
not science or math

>>11482609
Well your impression is incredibly uninformed.

>>11482613
Yeah it's much more based.

>>11482629
I guess I want clear enough. I want to be informed. Im absolutely smart enough to be an electrical engineer, and Im going to be a STEM person, so you attempting to inform me of the virtues of Electrical Engineering would be worthwhile. So seriously, what am I missing about electrical engineering? Ubless you think your time is so valuable that you cant talk earnestly to someone about your field.

>>11482634
I'm willing to talk to you about it, but you don't even know the very basics, like you don't even understand what the field even is. Search online and do some basic reading. After that if you have more questions I'll try to answer.

>>11482642
I do know the very basics. Here, Ill copy and paste a section of an article I just read (I thought perhaps you were right about me not understanding)
>Electrical engineers design, develop, test and supervise the manufacturing of electrical equipment, such as electric motors, radar and navigation systems, communications systems and power generation equipment, states theU.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. "Electronics engineers design and develop electronic equipment, such as broadcast and communications systems — from portable music players to global positioning systems (GPS)."
The other stuff I found was about deaigning circuits and using basic tools like a coil or some other things you would jam onto a circuit for an effect.
Ill ask a more specific question because I think my main point is getting lost here. What is interesting about electrical engineering? If I was going to be a genius in any field, why would I choose electrical engineering? What would I breakthrough and change? My overarching question that I went to this thread and wamted answered is this "What makes electrical engineering interesting", something that is hard to have answered by a million faceless shills on the internet.

>>11482657
I respect your curiosity and all but I'm about to go to bed and don't really want to type out several long paragraphs explaining things to you. You replied to my post after 10 minutes, so you really didn't do any significant reading. I get that you want insights that won't necessarily be on the wikipedia page but you need to at least understand the basics about a field before you try getting too insightful about it. Even still, your questions are very vague. Read about it and pick it if you think it sounds cool. I'll check in tomorrow

>>11482609
hey

EE is not designing circuits for businesses - perhaps some people might end up doing that, if you have just a bachelors degree and they were unskilled during their education. But even if you do that, you are designing them at a very abstract level -- like the entire system from a physics perspective. this is nothing like what an electrician does. EEs get paid to sit around and think all day.

if you go into it for the right reasons (read: not for the salary after undergrad), it's a beautiful intersection of physics and math applied (mostly) for the common good. a lot of people do end up applying it to making intercontinental ballistic missiles, but you can also get paid to sit around and do math all day as a researcher, or a signal processing engineer, what have you.

me personally, I ended up working in machine learning for renewable energy as a researcher. EE is by far the most based field right now and I hope you check it out.

>>11482609
Traditionally, people associate EE with power generation or circuit design. However, the field has become much broader. Major subfields include nanotechnology, computer architecture, embedded systems, communication networks, signal processing, software engineering, information theory, machine learning, etc.
I know EE PhDs who spend all their time writing abstract proofs. I also know EE PhDs who spend all their time working in a machine shop. I would more appropriately define EE as "the manipulation of signal;" this definition changes drastically depending on your layer of abstraction.
After majoring in EE/math, I've developed a huge appreciation for how broad this field is. The concepts that I learn in a power generation class can be applied to shit like developing probabilistic algorithms to trade stocks in high-frequency. And that's really cool.

>>11482668
this guy EEs

>>11482613
>being this autistic

Hey I'm thinking of switching to EE from CS. Do you guys think it's worth it? I'm mainly worried about the extra year of study it will incur.

>>11482666
How did you end up getting that job? I'm graduating soon and that sounds really cool.

>>11482657
First of all, the thought process of "if I were a genius, what would I study" is a dogshit mindset because it's highly impractical and you're not a genius.

Second of all, no, a job description from BLS does not accurately describe an entire field of study. I'd say only about 10-20% of EEs actually end up with the job title "electrical engineer." The field is so broad that most people branch out to other careers that don't strictly overlap with EE. You can't capture all that variance with a single job description.

>>11482678
No. If you actually want to study CS go to grad school for CS. If you want a "software engineering" job you can get that with the BSEE

>>11482678
if you are 100% sure you want to code for a living, no need to switch. If you want the chance to work on hardware, or made want to code for/about hardware problems, make the switch.

>>11482679
Doing my PhD in that area.

So you guys are good with signals right?

Any help with Z-transforms? I've looked through and understood the derivation but working on examples (using the table) just stumps me.

>>11482687
>Doing my PhD in that area.
I'm thinking about jumping to a PhD, but I've been in industry for a while. Is there any stigma against later PhDs?

holes moving through wires can't make lights turn on. you guys are living a lie

>>11482678
shit i wrote this response incorrectly >>11482681
i thought you meant switching from EE to CS

>>11482687
good answer

>>11482666
>a lot of people do end up applying it to making intercontinental ballistic missiles
relatively speaking a very small number of people work on ICBMs

>>11482691
Not really. I could always tell instantly if a person was serious about it and had nothing to do with age. Just make sure you understand what you're getting into.

>>11482693
based

>>11482691
zero stigma dude. I'm pretty new to the phd game myself but one of the colleagues I got close with started at 26 after, what, 5 years in industry? It's never too late for grad school honestly.

to get into a phd you have to
>know vaguely what you want to research
>have enough brain mass left to write about 1000 words about that thing you want to research and make it sound like you have the right background for it
>mention 2-3 professors at the university in that essay and why their research interests are a good match with yours
>have 3 professors/industry mentors who are willing to also write 1000 words about how based you are
>score alright on the gre

>>11482700
The thing that holds me back is the rec letters. I'm 27 and don't really have connections with my old uni profs, and since I run my own company I don't really have like a boss or something to vouch for me.

Would other people in industry be a good idea in that case? That's really holding me back a bit and I don't really know what the etiquette is if you aren't an undergrad

>>11482688
literally just post the problem dude it's 4:30am and I don't give a fuck I'm ready to do some z-xfrms

>>11482687
Yeah thanks. I'm mainly interested in the intersection between the two fields. Like computer hardware or embedded systems. You don't really get too much of that in CS sadly. I think I'll probably make the switch

>>11482666
This is a great amd interesting answer to what I asked and I appreciate it greatly. I didnt think about these applications.
Your job is really interesting. I have the impressiom that machine learning is more about CS and I wonder what you do exactly. It sounds interesting.
>>11482668
Another great answer haha man sometimes it pours. Why would you define it as the manipulation of signal? My conception of engineering overall is that it is more of a machine shop setting than a proof writing setting, in general.
>>11482680
Im just asking what horizons there are to be pushed in electrical engineering. In medicine its "a cure for cancer" or cloning or extending lifespan etc... In CS its human ais, changes to the way we communicate, etc... Im asking what a genius would change in EE because Im not interested in what a below avergae public school grad does with a bachelor, obviously. I want passionate, interesting answers like the ones given above. So, I think it is a very, very practical way of looking at things. Im asking where does the field have to grow, its an obvious springboard for your personal interests in EE. Also, I domt believe anyone is a genius, Id say I, along with many people, have as much raw intellect/potential as Einstien, Plato, or any other person you could name as a genius. They just tapped theirs.
Finally, isnt it obvious that the quote I supplied doesnt accurately cover EE? Why would I ask for an EE's personal look on the field if I already had all the information? Where would I find an article that says "Id wager only about 10-20% of EE end up with the title Electrical Engineer", any article that supplied that information wouldnt be found by searching electrical engineering! It would be found by searching for the job title of that other 90-80%!
Since you seem so negative about this, maybe a more abrasive question would help you. Why isnt your field shit? (Not really necessary to reply now though, the previous replies were very good.)

>>11482613

EECS is literally godtier.

>>11482706
That is tricky since you don't have a "superior" that can vouch for you. congrats on starting your own company though, that's great.

For 2/3 letters, industry is fine. Any boss you had in the past 6 years who you really vibed with, who can say good things about you. If they happened to be doctorate holders themselves, it would help.

For the last letter though, I would definitely try to go out of your comfort zone and get one academia rec. If you're planning to apply next cycle, I would honestly start thinking now. Think back, was there one professor who you had a good relationship with. Maybe you did an extra project with one of them, or he/she was the advisor for a student org you were in. Somebody who knew your name. Then send them an email telling them you're interested in applying to graduate school, and maybe ask for a 15 minute chat on the phone for advice about good schools in your subfield, etc.

It is also good if the professor is in the same subfield that you want to research in. But this is not a hard and fast rule.

And lastly, the holy grail is a rec letter from a person who did their PhD at that very university you are applying to. If you can think back to anybody in your life who might have attended a program you would be interested in who you just so happened to also have a good relationship with in the past, that is the person you want to reach out to.

Hope this helps. happy to answer any more questions

>>11482726
any boss or mentor or coworker, to clarify

>>11482714
>I have as much raw intellect/potential as Einstein, Plato, or any other person you could name as a genius

It is only as I reach 30 that I realize how much time I have wasted and how far behind where I want it to be my career is. Anyone else getting these feels?

>>11482709
sneed

>>11482713
for an extra year i'd say it's not worth it. you're already in pretty deep. see if you can just switch to do masters in ECE department. then again you'd be missing out on some of the undergrad classes. maybe try taking them as electives

>>11482714
stop being lazy
https://www.google.com/search?q=big+problems+in+EE

>>11482706
>>11482726
New PhD students who have their own company always seem suspicious to me. You're gonna need to dedicate yourself to one thing or another.

Best way to get into any school is to build relationship with professor in advance, then you're a shoe in. Like get a letter of rec from your future advisor who has already agreed to take you on as a student; that's the true holy grail.

>>11482737
lol i skipped over that part

>>11482738
no i just wish i fucked more teenagers

>>11482738
why anon. surely there is still some based inside.

>>11482531
What the fuck do you actually do in the industry? I still haven't gotten any answers to the question and I'm in my 3rd year. By the end of the year I should have placement but I want to know what to expect before I start. I'm in Australia and looking for placement in Ergon Energy. It's just as it sounds, it's an utility energy company which runs massive fuck off power stations. What kind of work would an Electrical Engineer specifically do in such a place?

>>11482714
If you had read the previous responses properly, then you would have realized that there are no "big challenges" that unify all aspects of EE; the field is just too damn broad. Obviously, someone who fabricates transistors is not facing similar grand challenges to someone who develops face-recognition algorithms. I think someone with as much "raw intellect" as Einstein would have realized that.

Maybe you're not as smart as you claim you are? You seem like a pretty ignorant highschooler. Dunning-Kruger effect in full force I guess.

>>11482666
>intercontinental ballistic missiles
please, tell me more. I've always wanted to design weapons.

>>11482668
>software engineering
not engineering or science, or even math.

>>11482759
not sure about power, but if it's anything like the construction side of EE, it's fucking boring as shit.

>>11482775
What's the construction side like? Designing PCBs and shit or what?

>>11482759
>Ergon Energy
Not familiar with aussie utilities specifically. But in similar companies in the US, assuming you go directly out into industry without more school, you will likely be working as an entry level power systems engineer.

What this entails mostly is working off of/drawing one-line diagrams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-line_diagram))

They'll probably have you drawing some of these, verifying some, running some calculations. Writing some reports. Then they'll either push you to management or send you off for a masters or both.

If you go into management, you'll end up telling all the young people whose shoes you were in 4 years ago what to do. If you stay technical, you'll probably start making design decisions about the fuck off power stations

>>11482764
anyone remember the schizo posting about triodes and other retarded shit

>>11482759
It really depends. Could be substation design, monitoring systems, etc. Look on LinkedIn/Glassdoor and read the job descriptions for some of the positions. Even then it’s hard to tell because a lot of it tends to be fluff anyway.

>>11482777
Sounds cool. This semester we're doing a shit tone of power transmission stuff so I should have a better idea of it after this. I'm also curious about management. Do companies really stick any engineer then can get into a management position? We've had talks from people who've been working for like 2-3 years and they're already leading a team of a handful of people and getting paid 120k+ dollaridoos.

>>11482776
No, I think he means electrical designs for buildings. Controls and power generation/distribution systems in a building mostly. It is pretty boring imo, but it’s pretty easy as the work is generally all pretty similar.

>>11482768
fuck if I know. I swore off defense from the beginning. wasn't about to contribute to the brain drain of the USA into its military industrial complex.

>>11482791
>brain drain
some of the coolest shit comes from the mighty petro-dollar millitary-industrial complex. Not that anyone outside of it knows about it until 60 years later though.

>>11482786
in my experience they stick the least autistic engineer in the management position eventually and they get the phat dollaridoos. so basically talk to girls while you're in school.

>>11482799
>talk to girls
there's about 2 girls in all of 3rd year engineering and none of them are in electrical

>>11482798
you're precisely correct, and that's what I meant too. the whole system is designed to funnel people into working for the military in one way or another. even the smart ones.

>can't pay for college
enlist or rotc
>paid for engr. school with scholarships because I wanna "make the world a better place"
huge percentage of jobs are in defense.
>paid for engr. school with loans
might get them forgiven if you work for the government or military. whose biggest product is you guessed it, defense.

>>11482714
>I have as much raw intellect/potential as Einstein, Plato, or any other person you could name as a genius
You have to be 18 to post here

>First year EE
>Statics
>Calculus
>Physics 1
>Intro to computer

is this a good university?

>>11482913
>Intro to computer
no. run.

>>11482913
You forgot Chemistry.

>>11482531
What about the other EE, Energy Engineering? Is it a meme branch?

>>11482941

That too

>>11483165
Did you go to the same polytechnic I did or is that standard for all of them

>>11482738
>Anyone else getting these feels?
no its a waste of time. just do your best now and forget about the past. what is age even? i mean seriously, what is it? how do you even compare someone who will never have a wife and kids who started their bachelors at 30, who spends 8 hours a day studying to an 18 year old who never studied, who spends all their time partying and getting by, who will end up with a wife and kids who drains all his time for the rest of his days?

>>11482714
>I, along with many people, have as much raw intellect/potential as Einstien, Plato, or any other person you could name as a genius.
holy fucking based. big dick energy. godspeed anon

>>11482688
post the transforms retard. i want to do some fucking transforms now post them

>>11482531
Really like this thread

>>11482531
How do I start loving power systems?

In my uni you have to take power systems 1 and 2 and the professor who teaches both classes is a completely useless bitch that has just made me completely hate the subject. She makes it into a horrible fucking drag, she cant teach for shit so you never know why the fuck youre doing what you're doing and shes the biggest douchebag ever.
And its not just me, all my classmates hate her as well and a ton of people, myself included, were really looking to learn about power systems before taking the class with her and now we want to avoid it like the plague.

guys im applying for MSc's across the country and there are only 2 that have the exact program i want (control systems). one of them is a pretty decent uni with a really fucking well thought-out program (manchester) and the other is a top uni with an extremely difficult and unorganized looking program (not to mention expensive both tuition-wise and location wise aka imperial). is it always worth it to go to the better uni? manchester has a class for every major control strategy, perfectly blanketing all of modern control engineering. while imperial's program seems to be just a bunch of scattered electives on random topics that the professors are interested in.

what do

>>11483323
>How do I start loving power systems?
you don't. power systems is boring and retarded. nobody goes into the job market looking for power systems jobs, you only take them when theres nothing else

>>11483330
Then why are so many people with phds and shit about it?
My first circuit analysis class was taught by a power systems expert and he would always give examples of how what we were learning was used in the design and analysis of power systems and he was really passionate about it.

>>11483344
>and he was really passionate about it
notice how he isnt actually in a power systems job though. and if you have a phd you probably aren't either. perhaps there is some pervasive fundamental principles that make it interesting, but i never found them and god knows i wouldnt ever work in that field. also you sure it was power systems and not power electronics?

>>11483352
>Notice how he isnt really in a power systems job tho
..but he was, he was in charge of our countries interconnect power transmission system for 2 decades. And at the time he was teaching me he was doing projects and shit

>>11482693
Yeah but if I pretend they do everything works.
The power of belief.

>>11483365
>..but he was, he was in charge of our countries interconnect power transmission system for 2 decades. And at the time he was teaching me he was doing projects and shit
well then he's like those autists that are interested in trains for no reason

>>11482688
Discrete time signal processing by Oppenheim and schafer chapter 2

Took a really interesting DIP class, it had a lab though and corona-chan has probably killed it for this semester.
Now I spend my days jerking it to Lenna's tits.

>>11482531
>mandatory reads:
>>elements of electromagnetics, sadiku
You kidding, right? That is probably the worst electromagnetics books out there. Sadiku just throw a bunch of formulas here and there with weak explanation. Even Griffiths book is superior to his.

>>11482531
Should I do a phd? Im about to finish my undergrad in EE with a pure math minor and im definitely doing a masters right after im done in either control systems or signal processing.
Now I've always been very academical/theoretical and shit so doing research really appeals to me, i would do my phd in either control or signals as well. Id do it in Europe where the pay is pretty nice.
Thoughts?

>>11483394
>phd
no just get a masters

>>11482629
>>11482642
>>11482665
>>11482666
>>11482680
>>11482764
lmao I had no idea EE undergrads were the most pretentious pieces of shit out there. Really surprising tbhwyfamalamnegro, because all the EEs I work with are the dumbest fucking people I deal with. I am a mechanical engineer in a position where I am constantly interfacing with every type of STEM professional there is (electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, aerospace engineers, chemical engineers, physicists, mathematicians, etc.) and the EEs are consistently the worst, most unintelligent people I work with.

>>11482798
>>11482768
Weapons engineering isn't that exciting. The vast majority of it is developing test fixtures for component-level tests that do not do anything exciting.

>>11482531
How would you make or buy something that produces an ion beam for botanical usage?

>>11483406
Explain.
I wanna do signal processing research bro

>>11483394
I'm doing one, so I'd recommend it. Although I am only 1 year in. Also if you get in for a PhD in the US it generally pays like $30k a year. Does Europe pay more than that?

>>11483497
do a research MSc then. a phd is years of your life giving money to society so that you can progress it.. in a highly specialized field you can't talk to anybody about because they won't understand. also a phd immediately makes you overqualified for everything and doesn't even come with that much prestige. tell someone you have a masters in engineering and they'll jerk you off basically just as much as if you tell them you have a phd. in fact if someone tells me they have a phd im more likely to feel bad for them and assume they spend most of their time teaching

>>11483505
>>11483507
wait... you guys are getting paid?

>>11482807

You gotta socially integrate with the college campus as a whole (co-curriculars/clubs, lounge areas, etc.) or you just gotta get out of the college and not rely on it socially (clubbing, church/community, sports/non-autistic hobbies, etc.).

Engineering will continue to be a sausage fest for a while, so to broaden your horizons socially you need to get out there.

>>11482613
Die retard

Semiconductor devices PhD student checking in bros. Glad to see my fellow EE chads

>>11483627
>Semiconductor devices PhD
based. whats your research specifically on?

>>11483631
beta-gallium oxide FETs. won’t say much more as it could lead back to me

>>11483505
>Does europe pay more than that?
Yeah Around 36k for the first year and pay increases as you go on.

>>11483507
>Research msc
Wtf is that?
I dont really care if people are going to "jerk me off" or not, i wanna do research and obtain nice credentials

Btw how does having a very comprehensive math minor looks for job/grad school applications?
For the minor I took a bunch of analysis classes going from real analysis in metric spaces to complex analysis, an algebra class and a class on multivariable data analysis

>>11483627
Hey we were actually talking about if doing a phd is worth it, mine providing your insight? Im >>11483656

>>11483659
Sure bro, i’ll throw in my 2 cents. The reason i went for it is because after doing an internship after my junior year, i felt like any job i would get with a Bachelor’s in EE would be very boring and unfulfilling. Going for a PhD shows people that you have the ability to tackle complex problems in a methodical fashion while also being creative. For instance, in the semiconductor industry, lead designers will almost always have PhDs. Not sure about signal processing but i would assume it’s sort of the same. In terms of financial payoff, an MS will always be the sweet spot. However, if you really want to be an expert in the field and push the boundaries of that field, then a PhD is always the way to go. It comes down to whether or not you are willing to sacrifice earning potential and an easier lifestyle to really pursue your intellectual passions. That was my thought process.

>>11483676
Yes this lines up a lot with my line of reasoning and that's why im seriously thinking of pursuing a phd after my masters for the time being.

Unfortunately my electronics classes were a lot more practical and about learning current trends (working with arduino, plcs, etc) rather than theoretical so I dont really know much about semiconductors other than the basic working principles of all sorts of diodes and transistors so semiconductors isn't my really my field can definition see the appeal of it tho, hope you're having a good time in your phd bro.

>>11483645
>won’t say much more as it could lead back to me
sounds based tho. good work anon

>>11483656
>Wtf is that?
It's called an MRes, I think, or MSc in Research for short. It's a research-based MSc, rather than a taught one. I think you normally do two separate research projects, one after the other, and do papers on them both. I'm not sure if it's a meme or not, you'll have to check since I haven't done one.

>>11483689
Nice man. Hope you go for it.

>>11483423
You sound really mad right now

>>11482531
any microwave engineers here?

>>11483698
yeah ill post in a few years once i get accepted lmao.
thanks for your input bro.

>>11483693
will look into it, sounds appealing.
the thing is im actually looking forward to taking more classes into control and signal processing to further deepen my knowledge in those areas before I do research on them. as of now im definitely not ready to conduct research in those areas.

>>11482808
guess what motherfucker. I am a marine corps electro-optical ordanance technician. the nerdiest electrical engineering fucks in the marine corps. and when i get out, going into STEM, some college paid for. its great.

>>11482531
EE student here thinking of switching to ChemE. All the project work is killing me. I hate having to design and print and then solder my own PCBs. I loose so much time and then am too tired to sit and study. I really liked the topics but I wish it would just stay within the confines of the pen and pages. I heard ChemE work in the lab is pretty low. Some chemistry Lab and then some processess lab but that's it. No more spending 10 hours a day in the lab measuing with the oscilloscope and shit. Should I do the change? Or should i push through and become an EE?

Please advice

>>11483559
Any tips for someone already in industry who is kind of a semi-hikki on how to expand my social circle?

I kind of missed lots of college social for health reasons.

>>11484770
how many more years do you have?

>>11482764
>I think someone with as much "raw intellect" as Einstein would have realized that.
lol btfo

>You seem like a pretty ignorant highschooler.
that much was obvious from the start. he didn't even want to read for 20 minutes to learn anything on his own

>>11483423
Cry harder retard

>>11483676
>Sure bro, i’ll throw in my 2 cents. The reason i went for it is because after doing an internship after my junior year, i felt like any job i would get with a Bachelor’s in EE would be very boring and unfulfilling. Going for a PhD shows people that you have the ability to tackle complex problems in a methodical fashion while also being creative. For instance, in the semiconductor industry, lead designers will almost always have PhDs. Not sure about signal processing but i would assume it’s sort of the same. In terms of financial payoff, an MS will always be the sweet spot. However, if you really want to be an expert in the field and push the boundaries of that field, then a PhD is always the way to go. It comes down to whether or not you are willing to sacrifice earning potential and an easier lifestyle to really pursue your intellectual passions. That was my thought process.
This is true.

>>11483689
>arduino
find another school

>>11484770
in the "real world" most EE jobs are not soldering and fabricating PCBs. i haven't done that since undergrad

>>11484897
a post of that quality just demonstrates that I'm right.

>>11484929
Your post already demonstrated your butthurt and your retardation. Have fun making pipes.

>>11482666
>EEs get paid to sit around and think all day.
>>11483423
This.
Entered this out of curiosity only to find out this undergrad cringe.
KYS undergrad wannabes.

>>11484830
2 more years. If I switched it would be 3

>>11484902
>Find another school
Why? Literal best uni in my country.
Moreover those electronics courses were really fun and helpful, the shit i learned there was what I was expected to know during my internship on an IoT company and its not like it was an arduino course, we used arduino for a ton of stuff but it was mostly electronics. Some of the projects we did: (not in order)

>Build an adc-dac converter
>Build your own power supply
>Build your own function generator
>build a relay array and control something with it
>Build a fully autonomous self driving car
>Build an IoT controller using a rasp pi, a wifi connected arduino and do control and monitoring thru nodered
>A bazillion filters of all kinds

Those are just the ones I can remember, the classes were mostly explaining the projects and what you needed to know, you would then research everything on your own and spend a shit ton of time in the lab building and testing.
We also had a shit ton of official lab practices with the prof were we learned stuff about transistors, diodes, logic gates, flip flops, etc by building and testing circuits and stuff. It was a lot of fun and i learned a lot, but it was completely practical.

>>11482913
Seems normal m8

>>11484974
>>11484929
>>11483423
There is literally nothing more cringe than try hard nerds trying to claim superiority over their degree

My position this summer is for a utility company doing NetCom. Gonna have to fake it til I make it, because don't know diddly about it

I did a tech diploma, worked for a few years, then transferred back into school. 3rd year now.

It'll feelsoodman when I'm done.

>>11484969
>N-N-NO Y-YOU'RE MAD

>>11485018
Please, point out where I claimed superiority for anything.

>>11483423
lmao I had no idea ME undergrads were the most pretentious pieces of shit out there. Really surprising tbhwyfamalamnegro, because all the MEs I work with are the dumbest fucking people I deal with. I am a electrical engineer in a position where I am constantly interfacing with every type of STEM professional there is (electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, aerospace engineers, chemical engineers, physicists, mathematicians, etc.) and the MEs are consistently the worst, most unintelligent people I work with.

>>11485043
That's actually really sad that you felt the need to post that. I guess EEs are a bit hypersensitive, too.
>inb4 you copypaste this post, too

>>11485002
I'm sure you're fine. I'm just talking shit on arduino as people often do (for good reasons). Btw what country are you in?

>>11485029
You were clearly upset. It's going to be ok anon.

>>11485043
lol

>>11485073
cope

>>11485018
not an argument
you all are making claims like "we're paid to think" which is absolute pretentious cringe.
kys

>>11485085
I'm literally paid to think

>>11485073
No, I'm just showing you how your post can literally apply to any discipline. It's absolutely meaningless (and if we're being honest probably a lie).

>>11485102
I suppose the post can, but the observation I made cannot, which was the entire purpose of the post, you brain dead undergrad.

>>11485085
Both MEs and EEs are paid to think on how to implement solutions and tech.
The fact that you think that statement is pretentious lets us know how much of a fucking worm you are. Rethink your life faggot.

>>11485082
>What country are you in
Venezuela my dude, my uni is the only one holding up thru this crisis, ive been very lucky to get internationally acredited, high quality education considering everything.

>>11485125
>venezuela

Explains a lot

>>11485125
>>11485085
Id like to add that this thread has been really nice and comfy with everyone actually engaging in interesting discussion about things EE related whilst you've been a toxic faggot derailing the thread with your retarded superiority garbage.
If you weren't a freshman retard you'd know MEs and EEs work with each other a shit ton of the field and generally have a deep mutual respect for each other's fields as those are generally the forefront of engineering. Please fuck off this thread with your faggotry

>>11485125
>The fact that you think that statement is pretentious lets us know how much of a fucking worm you are. Rethink your life faggot.
Yeah he's probably a pleb tier grunt

>venezuela
oh shit nigga. Good luck with all that. Which side are you on (maduro vs guaido)?

>>11485134
Basically but he's going to come back. The high schooler was pretty annoying too but at least wasn't a dick

>>11485114
Your "observation" is entirely meaningless too, first of all even if you met every single electrical engineer in a 500 mile radius you still couldn't logically assume that electrical engineers are brain dead, second your "observation" can be entirely made up which was the original point of me copy and pasting your paragraph, my third and final point (which is admittedly detached from the first two points) is you're a retard if you think electrical engineers are any more pretentious then other stem majors. Most stem majors think their major is better then others which leads them to be pretentious about it.

>>11485136
>Do you support the evil genocidal communist regime that ruined your youth or the dude thats actually doing something to get rid of said regime?

Obviously guaido my dude

>>11485023
Just learn protocols and shit, its easy dude

>>11485125
I feel you, anon. All I ever do all day at work is just sit and think about circuits and computers and shit. I just sit and think all fucking day long. sometimes I get caught up thinking so hard that I don't even realize it's already 7:30 PM and I've been thinking for 11 hours straight. Other times my boss makes me work overtime just thinking and pondering and pontificating. Honestly, it's a really stressful job to just sit and think about electrons and 1s and 0s all day. My wife left me recently because apparently I spend too much time thinking. She said sometimes I even come home and just think and contemplate too hard and don't pay any attention to her or our kids. One time at work, my boss caught me sleeping, but I managed to get away with it by telling him I didn't notice he was there because I was simply thinking too hard. He actually gave me a raise and awarded me thinker of the month at my office. We actually call it "the thinkery" because we employ some of the best thinkers around. Professionals that have spent their entire lives honing their thinking skills, developing the best ways to think and deliberate and consider. It takes a special kind of person to think and not all are cut out for it.

>>11485149
Yeah I've been reading up. Should be good since its a company and job I could see myself working there long term

>>11485147
based. but presumably he has his share of supporters right

>>11485156
I really enjoyed reading this. I literally do spend a good portion of my work time "just thinking" about "circuits and computers and shit" though. I'm sorry if you think there aren't jobs like this, but there are. I would recommend getting one.

>>11485139
>I've noticed a thing
>ummmm acshuallly ill have you know youre wrong and thats meaningless and made up

>>11485156
it's okay anon, not every undergrad can get a good internship.

>>11485194
Well it was meaningless and it was definitely made up, and you're without a doubt wrong. If anything it reflects poorly on you. Oh and also
>No argument

>>11482531
Why do all the college girls want CHAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>11485205
You're going in circles here. Also, the fact that you keep implicitly stating that you don't believe things you don't like or that hurt your feelings is just... pathetic.

>>11485231
>You're going in circles here
What...?
>implicitly stating that you don't believe things you don't like or that hurt your feelings is just... pathetic.
More like I don't believe in things without proof, but sure try and spin it so it makes me sound bad.

>>11485239
I told you I made an observation and you keep bitching over and over about how it's meaningless and made up. That's congruent to me saying I pet a dog today and you calling me a liar because I didn't pet EVERY dog. I'm not "spinning" anything or making you look bad. You're doing that yourself.

>>11485268
>>11485239
Both of you shut up now.

>>11485156
Youre a fucking imbecile that doesnt understand what it is to think. Fun post tho.

>>11485170
Get the cisco course done if you can

>>11485175
Yeah the majority of the country supports guaido.
Its really shaky tho, theres a lot of doubt as the opposition is largely incompetent and corrupt as well. Some people even think guaido is controlled opposition and you can't really blame them.
But yeah, that isn't really the topic of this thread so i wont keep rambling about it.

So, /eeg/, what are you working on? What subfield do you like the most and why?

>>11485298
>But yeah, that isn't really the topic of this thread so i wont keep rambling about it.
It's more interesting than your argument with the retard

>So, /eeg/, what are you working on? What subfield do you like the most and why?
I work on embedded systems for aerospace

>>11482613
>>>/r/buddyretard

>>11485043
this

>>11483393
I liked Cheng's field and wave electromagnetics as an introductory book.

>>11485304
>More interesting than your argument with the retard
Ill give you that lmao

>Embedded systems for aerospace
Sounds fun, what kinda stuff do you do on your regular work day?

>>11482531
You forgot this

>>11482531
you forgot this

>>11482657
EE is cool in general, the vast majority of EEs i know do design jobs which is not the fun part at all.
Ill tell you about what i do which i find cool.
I work at an engineering firm and we do safety equipment for industries.(eg creating something so that a factory worker does not get his arm chopped by a huge ass machine) my team is currently divided into 2 design teams one which is in charge of the logic behind the circuits and other in charge of designing them.
I currently work under a mathematician who is the head of my team, the guy has got high academics and his phd was in mathematics for electrical engineering.
We are creating the core functioning of the the whole system.
Im happy to answer any question

>>11482666
What field I should look into to be accepted in the MEXT program? It's supposed to be something that is interesting both to my country and Japan, so I thought renewable energy was the best bet, but I don't want to be a researcher. Ideas?

>>11486431
What do you mean by a phd in mathematics of electrical engineering? Is that a phd you can get?

>>11486443
Basically applied maths

>>11482531
you forgot this

>>11486436
nuclear energy. i dont know what mext is but hitachi had/has internships for english speakers

>>11486392
Extremely based, marvelous, marvelous book

>>11485551
That is my favorite electromag book.

>>11482531
Is complex analysis used in EE?

>>11486709
yes

>>11486720
Examples?

I'm blackpilled on EE
I wanted to do circuit design but now in my last semester I found out that the only way forward to do a PhD with a professor who do RF design and collaborates with a major telecommunications company. But my grades are too shitty for that and I failed a bunch of classes.
At least I got this cool ring

>>11486786
IC design? In that case, yes a PhD is best. But you could still do board level stuff I think if you work your way up.

>>11482531
what does EE Chads think of Theodore Kaczynski?

>>11486867
>What do EE's think of a person who hates what EE's do
Not good lol

>>11486786
What, like as a career? sounds tedious.
Get an easy job and do your passion as a hobby, circuit design is ideal for that

>>11486867
Retard

>>11482531
LMAO I never succeeded in understanding any of that shit. I'm just in this for the photonics and solid-state.

>>11486941
based

Reposting from sqt

What is the definition of phase in the electrical sense? I can’t articulate the difference between split-phase, which I understand is a single phase system, and a two phase system with phases 180 degrees apart other than by appealing to the number of transformers used.

>>11486867
Unabomber is for /x/yards, nobody on /sci/ that likes /sci/ likes him

>>11487001
Relative offset of sinusoids? Phase is used in a lot of contexts in EE, but I'm guessing you're talking about it for power systems.

>>11487001
noob here. but it looks like split phase splits a single phase into two 180 degree signals, whereas a two-phase is already two 180 degree signals.
Different source, same outcome

>>11482531
I want to get into electrical engineering. I am already on the path to do so, i am in the military with an electrical related job, but I dont even start my classes for another 5 damn months because the school is backed up as hell. so I have a ton of free time on my hands.. any suggestions on what I should study first? any advice is appreciated as well.

>>11487370
a general book of electronics. art of electronics is very thorough but depending on how autistic you are it's kind of difficult to get through. with libgen you can download like 10 electronics books and pick your favorite tho

i can tell you this: if you get through a book like art of electronics cover to cover before you start your course you will start it knowing more than most EEs know when they graduate

>>11482531
Wide and full of subdisciplines as it is, how would you rank the different disciplines at? Either in terms of employability or simply how cool and how much potential and importance they have.

>>11487001

It's like how much slower or faster a wave of voltage/current/whatever hits a certain node of interest.

>>11487370
School will probably be different from what you're used to. More writing and math, less hands on. However, a lot of military guys were some of my best classmates in undergrad. I'm sure you'll do great. Maybe don't OP's link to "fundamentals of electric circuits" by Sadiku, that's what a lot of schools teach from for intro classes nowadays.

>>11486941
interesting. photonics and solid state are generally considered some of the harder areas.

>>11487567
They’re all s tier besides power systems which is f tier

you forgot this

Where can I find the scripts of the first two semesters of EE to study at home rn?

>>11487015
Yea in power systems. The different context thing is confusing. I know how it’s used in signal processing at least, but it doesn’t seem to apply here. It’s as if they’re in reference to separate entities rather than descriptions of signals. For example home power gets single phase and commercial/industrial usually gets three phase. I know true two phase in the rare places it’s still used has two transformers(or rather two secondaries in a transformer), single phase uses one, and three phase uses three, so there’s at least some objective difference. I just want to know what the term actually describes.
>>11487020
I don’t think the phase actually gets split. Current is moving in a single direction it’s just since the legs are hooked up to opposite ends the voltage they see is opposite in the way one side of a water pump sees a sucking force and the other sees a pushing force. At least that’s my rationale in trying to understand this, maybe someone can correct me?
> two-phase is already two 180 degree signals.
It’s usually 90 degrees in two phase systems. But Wikipedia says split phase Is not two phase because there’s no unique vector of rotation. I don’t think this is right though, at least not sufficiently, since a two phase system with phases 180 degrees apart also shouldn’t create any rotation. I could be wrong on that also I guess.

>>11483645
BETA gallium oxide vs chad diamond power fets

>>11487575
That’s what I would guess from signals but then split phase shouldn’t be considered a single phase. The entire numbering thing seems strange.

>>11487640
Hmm first year shoud cover something like this:

Math wise:
>Calculus:
>limits and continuity
>Derivatives, differentiability
>Simple optimization problems
>Integration
>Indefinite integrals
>The riemman-stieltjets integral
>Computing all sorts of integrals in one variable, basically integration methods
>Problems concerning integrals
>First order DEs
>Series
>Power series
>Taylor series, computing taylor series

Physics wise:
>Dynamics:
>Dynamics in one dimension, 2 dimensions and 3 dimensions
>Work and energy theorem
>Some mechanics
>Thermodynamics
>Thermodynamics systems
>Thermodynamic cycles
>Heat transfers
>Electrostatics:
>Everything concerning Gauss law and electric potential

Circuits wise:
>Dc circuits
>Ohms law, kirkchhoffs laws
>Mesh analysis, node analysis
>Thevennin and norton theorems
>Maximum power transfer
>Simple op-amps
>Rl circuits, rc circuits, rlc circuits in transitory state
>Time constants, nth order DEs solutions for circuits
>Circuit analysis in complex frequency domain, the laplace transform
>Impedance, capacitance and reactance
>AC circuits
>Rms values
>Phasors and phasors in circuit analysis
>3phase circuits
>All the 3phase configurations
>Transformer basics, dot notation and shit

Thats off the top of my head

might be more in the CE side of things but i just got pic related in the mail
currently reading through Harris' Digital Design and Computer Architecture and Free Range VHDL, not sure what projects i'm going to do besides the problems in the book with it to start off with this
any advice or resources for a wannabe hardware acceleratorfag?

Any advice on moving from software to embedded/EE?

>>11488186
Go back to uni and get a bachelors in EE

graduating this may
how the fuck am I supposed to find a job in this economy?

>>11488186
1. Learn digital logic / hardware (logic, 2s complement, gates, MSI components, sequential logic) if you don't already know it
2. Learn linear circuits and diodes, maybe transistors if you want
3. Buy a microcontroller (Atmel, Microchip, ST, TI, etc, preferably not an Arduino, you need to struggle) and a programmer / a dev board, download the datasheet, build the application circuit / plug it in
4. Start programming it in assembly, then C; make sure to reference the datasheet and assembly reference as much as possible for learning how to configure it, don't just use premade code/drivers/utilities for configuring it, even they're available
5. Learn to use RTC, interrupts, SPI, I2C, UART, DMA, external memory mapping, other peripherals etc. by doing projects. Basically understand how to use the micro at the register level, understand the assembly, and understand how C gets turned into assembly and how to use C language features common to embedded (volatile, function pointers, unions, bit level manipulations, fixed point math and the tradeoffs between it and floating point)
6. Write your own routines. Once you've written 10k+ LoC in assembly and are able to integrate assembly routines with C code you're probably good as far as assembly goes (understand calling conventions)
7. Buy some external hardware (memory, LCD, DAC/ADC, etc.) and figure out how to wire it and interface with it from a micro to do something useful
8. Once you get to this point you can start to use QoL shit like premade code and utilities to generate configurations since you understand what they're doing and how to fix them when they don't work or aren't available
9. Learn how a basic RTOS works and how to build one (context switching, scheduling and priority, concurrency and data structures used for concurrency, interprocess communication)
10. Do some performance intensive applications with limited hardware to get a better idea of the restrictions you're working with (DSP, Video, etc)

>>11483323
read the main books about it, if they're good. Even the first two chapter would do.

Really, I would recommend this with regards to any field. Good books just have a way of deeply motivating students.

>>11483324
your opinion is already settled, man. You're just trying to find people who agree with you.

>>11483508
Yeah man. The saying goes if you have to pay for grad school you aren't cut out for it.

>>11488119
Obviously do all the basic stuff, if you don't already know it (logic/minimzation, FFs/latches, adders (CLA/Ripple), multipliers (Looped/Unrolled), state machines, etc.)

Some projects:
Try to make a display driver (it looks like your board has HDMI, I was thinking VGA, but HDMI is okay, use a core if you can't figure it out) and create controller cores that support a protocol like SPI, I2C, etc. that will let you control your display driver. If you have a micro with GPIO or an I2C/SPI peripheral you can connect them and you've basically given the micro a display.
Definitely make a processor, MIPS is probably the easiest, but I've been meaning to look more into RISC-V. You can also create peripherals for your processor if you want and use it to actually do useful things (i.e. interface to external hardware using an assembly program).
Maybe create an encryption core (AES/Simon) that takes an input from a RAM and outputs the ciphertext to another RAM using a custom datapath.

I recommend >>11486457 for computer architecture and Digital Design by John Wakerly for intro to digital logic and design (on libgen)

For VHDL, Free Range VHDL is good but I'd also recommend The Designer's Guide to VHDL once you want to dig deeper into VHDL. I think it's much more important to understand digital design at the schematic level, so make sure you have an understanding of schematic design using SSI and MSI components (helps to not think of writing HDL the same way you would think of software, also gives you a better idea of what your HDL will synthesize to). Make sure to learn the 1 and 2 process models for state machines, for-generate statements, what is and isn't synthesizable, best practices

I would also recommend Sublime Text as an editor for VHDL with the VHDL-Mode package and the SublimeLinter package (needs other packages to use something like ModelSim to lint your code in real-time, helps a lot with speeding up development) (Sigasi also exists, but it's slow)

>>11488417
>Obviously do all the basic stuff, if you don't already know it (logic/minimzation, FFs/latches, adders (CLA/Ripple), multipliers (Looped/Unrolled), state machines, etc.)
should just come with the problems in the book?

>I recommend >>11486457 for computer architecture and Digital Design by John Wakerly for intro to digital logic and design (on libgen)
books on libgen are kind of old, still good?

>Try to make a display driver (it looks like your board has HDMI, I was thinking VGA, but HDMI is okay, use a core if you can't figure it out
it's one of those zynq arm + fpga boards cause i asked on /diy/ and some of my ee frens and they suggested it to me
no vga sadly, heard hdmi gets pretty hard with the encryption

>>11488499
>should just come with the problems in the book?
Do most of the practice problems and you can check your answers without having to learn VHDL using a schematic editor and simulator. I have more experience with Intel's toolchain so I know Quartus has these, I'm assuming Xilinx does as well, but you can always download Quartus just to do simulations and whatnot if it doesn't.

>books on libgen are kind of old, still good?
Yeah they're good. Fundamentals don't change much and libgen pretty much has every textbook I search for, usually in the latest edition too. Don't download mobi/azw/chm/ebook formats unless you can't find the book in any other format. PDF and DJVU are the best (for textbooks at least).

>it's one of those zynq arm + fpga boards cause i asked on /diy/ and some of my ee frens and they suggested it to me
no vga sadly, heard hdmi gets pretty hard with the encryption
Yeah that's a pretty beefy FPGA for a beginner and HDMI isn't easy, especially not compared to VGA. It also lacks some of the things I would recommend a starter FPGA should have (more GPIO, 7 segment displays, more switches and buttons, VGA, exposed DACs/ADCs) but has useful stuff for more advanced projects (ethernet, onboard processor, DDR3 memory). You can use it to get started and you can use it for more advanced projects once you get there, but I don't think it's the most convenient FPGA to start learning with.

>>11486669
I'm currently going through Balanis Advanced Engineering Electromagnetics, and while the content is great the book is quite difficult to read

>>11489197
I have never heard about this one. Would you recommend it?

>>11486771
If you want to solve the fringing fields of a capacitor it requires complex analysis. Also the entirety of filter design is based on residues of poles and zeros on the complex plane

>>11484817
Just do small talk when you can with people and try to smile more, that's literally all to it. People usually will want to be with someone they find nice.

>Set to graduate
>Things are finally looking up
>Virus smites the global economy and destroys my chances of finding a job
I don't know why I expected something good to happen

>>11489386
Hey it's me

>>11489197
in awe at the cranium on that lad

I've never been much interested in electrical engineering until I heard about DIELECTRIC ELASTOMERS and soft robotics.

It's basically two flexible electrodes with an elastic material between them. Supplying a voltage differential between the electrodes cause a contraction of the soft material and an expansion in the perpendicular direction. This is finding new use-cases as the understanding of the materials involved grows and develops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62JQ3DPJ9ek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SIUuGRv3R0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDqmGHHKkWw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp6h52xMQHY

EuroEAP is worth checking out if you are a student and feel inspired.

>>11486431

What machinery will your safety system be applied to? What are the relevant hazards, and why is your design superior to previous ones?

>>11489386
Economic crises are inevitable. You should be glad that you are living through it before you graduate and not while you are in the middle of your career.

>>11489525
>before
While

>>11483393
Wait wtf why is Sadiku shit? What would you suggest instead of Sadiku for learning basics of circuits then

>>11489551
>Sadiku for learning basics of circuits
His circuit books is really good(there are better works, of course), it is the electromag one that sucks. Cheng's field and wave electromagnetics is great, for example.

>>11489487
Coolest thing I have read recently, thanks anon.

>>11489525
>not while you are in the middle of your career.
isn't the usual trend to stop hiring new grads and cut senior devs? in the software side of things it seems the golden band for years of experience is 3-10 years

>>11489205
I like how Balanis deals with auxiliary potential functions and how he uses it for solving waveguide field equations. It is a bit more of an advanced text than Cheng but for anyone interested in a good in depth field analysis book I'd recommend it,

>>11489487
i want to dialectric that last girl's elastomer

>>11489809
That is great. The only advanced electromag book I know is Jackson's one, but his seems more aimed to physics graduate instead of Balani's book. I'll try it, thanks anon.

any my fellow ee chads also starting to worry that their PhD admit will be rescinded this fall?

on the other hand based timing to get out of the job market amirite

>>11491267
i already have my phd