/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11467659
pseud electric universe crap

Haven't they been harping on this for years, with nothing to show for it? Anyhow, electric universe 'theories' can be quite difficult to properly debunk since none of them have sufficient mathematical rigor to actually test their predictions properly.

>>11467659
>no documentation of the process
>no publication associated
>only boomers involved
>pseudo science the bigger marketing hook than the actual product
>btw pls donate 20 million
red flags, get your red flags here, buy one get 5 free

>>11467863
Yeah but they're smart boomers - they can basically transmogrify elements into whatever

>>11467659
Proove it.

>>11467669
Why does their reactor work then?

On par with thorium salt generators

We don't need them
We have goys and dirty sources to deplete first

>>11467712
doesn't mean its wrong or not useful. the problems you described could be worked on by honest people in order to either constrain the field of possibilities or find insights.

>>11467659
sounds interesting. i hope its funded to see where it goes. nothing like good ol theoretical competition to fuel research and understanding

>>11467659
so if they can develop it in large scale will all researchers and deniers be btfo?

>>11469515
>>11470431
reminder: it is completely fictitious and bullshit

>>11468101
What do you mean by "work?"

>>11469511
It can't be worked on since it isn't even defined scientifically. It's just a bunch of quack talking points and literal scams.

>>11470453
Have you seen the video? Look at the list of things they've already accomplished

>>11468091
can they make gold?

it's a plasma at 110c....on par with one of those plasma globe toys

>>11470520
A list of things in a youtube video is meaningless. Where's the peer reviewed published paper?

>>11470536
With what they're trying to achieve, they don't need gold

>achieve fusion
>at 110C
>positive energy production
wait, why has nobody said the buzz word yet?
this is cold fusion

There I said it, and I'm not ashamed. It's only a meme until it stops being a meme.

>>11470619
EUtards don't say "cold fusion" because they know that that is a buzzword that is debunked. their entire strategy is rebranding the same thing with different vocabulary

>>11470520
pic related screenshots from the video
wouldn't say that's an accomplishment
>dont spend all 300 photons of green light at once and careful with the reactor, we're reaching micro watts per cubic centimeter
and i do get that these are just meme shots for the video (that the boomer investors targeted at arent supposed to understand, just give money to our patreon and that's it) but you were talking about accomplishments - the video and they themselves dont provide the data
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

NASA's worst enemy; the truth. Expect a flood of disinformation. TPTB doesn't desire fusion energy for the public.

Op, just believe everything the government and military industrial complex(NASA) tells you. There is no way to replicate the sun in a bottle. We need to spends billions of dollars to even try. The sun is mainly 99.9% helium and hydrogen with a magical core. Einstein's gravity model are from God. Ignore Tela's gravity model. Luminiferous ether doesn't exist. Use Einstein's version of the Luminiferous ether (space-time)instead. Ingore those crackpots with plasma discharge free energy devices. Trust in your governent and love him. They know best. Now go back to sleep.

>>11471214
>>11472142
>don't trust scientists
>but trust me for no reason
Why do schizos have zero self awareness?

>>11471214
>doesn't desire fusion energy for the public.

I've been sitting on an idea now that'd allow for just about everyone to build their own 40 foot giant mecha using parts they source from local Home Depot. (build price think around mid sized car) but the part that was lacking was power source. If everyone had cold fusion reactors in their home then you could easily baba yaga everyone homes. People could live in literal walking fortresses. When you move your home, you literally move your home. In a situation like COVID19 you could seal it off, live in it for as long as you need. If you need to go somewhere you just move the freaking house instead of leaving it.

I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

>>11467659
>New technology that will remove money from investors.
Been done before.

>>11468101
>>11470520
>they said it works, so it must be real
>what do you mean people can tell lies?

holy fuck you're naive

i thought about it and i get it now
the entire project is designed to fail. here's the trick
they present the tech as working with a flashing video and without actual results or specification to lure in investors who also come from the same pseudo science background they do
after reeling in money the project will fail as expected and they blame shadow organisations or big oil, big energy, whatever to manipulate their work
rift between "us" and "them" is strengthened, gaining bigger support within their group for other cash grabs
it's just designed to encapsulate their filter bubble once more, and the enemy is made clear once again, giving them purpose to continue
canetti would have his joy with this

The Sapphire Sun burns bright in our future

>>11467659
You can buy your own for $19.95

>>11472142
If such devices are possible, why aren't countries that don't give a fuck about what the US government, oil, and industrial complexes want using them? China being the big example. The PRC's biggest strategic weakness is that they import 2/3rds of their oil, mostly from middle eastern & African countries. Very vulnerable to naval blockade, given the geography involved. Now, the Chinese have been spending tons of money trying to reduce this weekness - big incentives for electric cars, buying tons of electric buses, their state-owned rail company has racked up $700 billion in debt setting up high speed rail, and so on. If some cheap energy device existed this spending would all be unnecessary; even if it is too bulky for mobile use, it would make synthetic fuels possible. So why would the Chinese government make themselves weaker? Cheap energy wouldn't destabilize their government; if anything it would make their system more robust & less susceptible to outside influences.

>>11467712
>Haven't they been harping on this for years, with nothing to show for it?
Now
>have a patent
>have model
>have prototype
>looking for investors

>>11472336
This

>>11467863
>no publication associated
They filled a patent and it was granted

>>11470448
reminder: you speak from your ass without any useful critique

>>11474594
obviously we both, as well as most other people, know it is not possible.
Electric/plasma universe and other anti-relativistic physics "theories" are philisophically motivated rather than agnostic. Meaning, when you actually just accept the universe for how it is and use empiricism and the scientific method to unravel how it works, you get relativity and QM. EU people don't like the idea that light is constant in all reference frames despite the fact that this is true, so they make up bullshit because they desire, ultimately, a classical universe that doesn't exist.

>>11472336
Actually an oil company is funding them

>>11474594
>why aren't countries that don't give a fuck about what the US government, oil, and industrial complexes want using them? China being the big example
>china developing bleeding edge anything
I mean thats as bad an argument as the one you're replying to.

>uses electricity to turn hydrogen into bigger elements
wait, that doesn't sound any different from a farnsworth fusor?

>it also generates it's own layered magnetic containment with elements being trapped in separate layers
what the fuck!? how?

>>11474599
>>have a patent
>>have model
>>have prototype
So they have nothing.

>>looking for investors
And they're trying to scam people.

>>11474618
Patents are meaningless.

>>11474619
The fact that they have no scientific results certainly is a useful critique and indicates it's bullshit.

>>11474905

Go right ahead and invest as much money in this as you want anon-you know better than all those dumb plasma physicists that say this is nonsense.

>>11474905
lmfao

>>11474905
>Scientific "concensus" won't let it get pass peer review because it contradicts previous papers while at the same time being consistent with observational evidence
>"screw it we're building fusion reactor"
>succeeds
>Nothing
Ok boomer

>>11475532
>>succeeds
this is where you're wrong

>>11475532
Do you even know if they submitted a paper? I doubt they even have the intelligence to put one together. Do keep making shit up as it makes it very easy to argue against you.

>"screw it we're building fusion reactor"
I don't think you understand what a reactor is. Nothing they said even implies a reactor, let alone whether what they say is true.

>succeeds
Considering you don't even understand what they're claiming to have done, I seriously doubt you know they've done anything.

>>11467659
Big if true, hope they get the funding. And with the amount of shilling on this thread I'm sure they have found some new unexpected experimental insights that current models don't predict.

>>11467659
I asked a simple quesiton on where are there papers, what their Q value was etc, nothing
>crickets.exe
my bullshit meter was at an 11

>>11474849
well plasma is self organising, true but at the temps they need to achieve to transmute elements I don't believe them :)

>>11467659
probably nonsese
here's a good video on arc and sparc that shows the temps and attempts so far to reach a Q value of 1.0
https://youtu.be/L0KuAx1COEk

>>11477683
>Do you even know if they submitted a paper?
Look at the papers submitted by Thornhill and scott.
>reactor
If you visit aureon webpage you will see different photos and images of the protoype, also how its different from LENR and Tokamak
>success
The experiment claims to be a success, you have never been to the moon but you know it true that the apollo missions succeeded, scepticism is healthy, discarding stuff ad hoc isn't.

>>11479876
>Look at the papers submitted by Thornhill and scott.
Which ones? What journals did they submit to?

>If you visit aureon webpage you will see different photos and images of the protoype, also how its different from LENR and Tokamak
I see vaguely labelled pictures and article making vague claims about producing energy. But neither seem to have anything to do with what they built and what they claim to have shown. It's not a reactor. Why do you so gullibly swallow every claim they make if you think skepticism is healthy?

>The experiment claims to be a success
So now you're backtracking from "it succeeded" to "it claims to be a success." Of course, uppity can't actually explain how. Actually it seems you don't understand anything about what you're promoting since you refuse to explain anything.

>>11479947
>Spoonfeed me wah wah wah
No, google is your friend
>Why do you swallow their claims?
I'm not, I'm just not dissmising it as instant bullshit
>I don't understand shit so you that mean it can't be explained
No, try harder and read about electric sun theory and their model of experimentation

>>11480157
>electric sun theory
fucking hell

>>11480157
>No, google is your friend
So you're just making shit up.

>I'm not
But you are. You are claiming they succeeded, have a reactor, and are getting rejected by journals.

>No, try harder and read about electric sun theory and their model of experimentation
I already did and it's pure pseudoscience.

>>11467659
Serious question. Clearly there are a bunch of people working on this project, and they must have a reasonable modicum of intelligence. So, if this is indeed quackery, what are they all doing all day? Are they all in on the scam? Are they all deluded to think something that doesn't work, works? Why does not one of them say 'Oh hey hang on a second guys this actually doesn't work'?

Thoughts?

>>11467863
>only boomers involved
All scientific shit is mostly boomers, they're the people with experience.
Not saying it's real btw.

>>11481522
>they must have a reasonable modicum of intelligence.
I guess you've never met an EUtard.

OH SNAPP
https://youtu.be/AHRSKkz8qEs
EU BRUTALLY BTFOOOO

>>11481522

Doesn't matter how smart you are, every human being is subject to the effect of cognitive biases and the cost of mental shortcuts.

Much as I hate 'The Rationalist Community', they do have a great example of this on their Nobel Disease page.

>>11481639
So whats the explanation when they run an experiment and they all 'see' good results?

>>11481606
who is this virgin lol

>>11481653
i donno i just found him today by googling "Wal Thornhill Debunked"

>>11481645

Why does anyone get taken in by a cult?

From the video they have
>Big flashy mechanism with lots of complexity. >Big promises about energy production at low cost
>Identification with Tesla - 'An unfairly marginalized genius, like us'
>Thriving 'Us vs Them' mentality

All the usual ingroup - outgroup hallmarks and absolutely no formalized science or descriptive mathematical systems to keep them honest.

I suspect many of them are earnest, they've just been taken in by the promise of an accepting group that makes them feel good and important - Just like every other cult.

I'm equally sure that others, probably the leaders, are just in it to develop a cutting edge way of scamming scientifically illiterate investors out of their money.

>>11481695

There's also the other obvious question of 'Why is no one else doing it if it works so well'

They'd probably insist that everyone else too closed minded and arrogant, that the 'establishment' is too strong to allow it, 'follow the money' memes etc.

This despite the existence of DARPA, where the whole reason for the group's existence is to throw money at scientifically tenuous technology and see if it can work. Plus similar other groups in every developed nation and academia for decades at LEAST.

>>11481695
many of them are earnest (Steven Crothers is just a buttblasted brainlet gardener who tried to get a PhD but got flunked and now he wants revenge) but not their leader Wal Thornhill. Wal Thornhill has made appearances on antisemitic conspiracy theory youtube channels. my suspicion is that he is a conman trying to make money off the anti-science fad amongst the alt-right, but alternative he might be a genuine antisemite

>>11467659
some of their plasma stuff probably worth looking into

their worlds collision stuff is cringe and embarrassing

>>11472200
Assuming they're genuine schizos and not just scam artists who hired some poos to spam schizo nonsense to raise their SEO profile is way too generous

>>11467659
Safire Project and electric transmutation. Dont be hilarious, we all know what you saw was just a weather-balloon.

>>11481715
>There's also the other obvious question of 'Why is no one else doing it if it works so well'
Look up LENR

>>11481739
why the fuck am i not selling jew repellent to alt right retards?

>>11467659
>The sun is the source of all power on earth
That was the first line of the video. It went downhill from there.

>>11468091
>transmogrify elements into whatever
So they're alchemists?

>>11467863
>only boomers involved
Zoomer pseud detected

>>11467659
yes you alchemist retards go a real since like fusion.... 1 trillion years later...

You know what this reminds me of?
>New answer : The one we have already indicated previously. The spacetime we are considering is the 5-dimensional spacetime whose metric is of the form x,y,z real and t complex. As we said before, the superposition space of the metrics can be described by the separated quotient topological space R3,1 cross R4 diagonally quotiented by SO(3). So we are considering the orbits of the action of SO(3) on the total space R3,1 cross R4. The dimension 3 of this action gives the foliation (here our quotient topological space is "sliced" by a 3 spacelike surface. But note that the timelike parameter-which is out of the orbit of the action of SO(3)- is *complex* so that the slicing is giving an evolution in real or imaginary time).

>>11481695
>>11481715
Fuck off back to plebbit