/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11456904
Because for every post like this, there is a YouTuber or other anon espousing the merits of non-Vegan diets. I'm not a nutritionist, and nutrition science is a cluster-fuck of jargon and questionable results. The lack of consensus makes this shit impossible, so I avoid absolutist diets (like carnivore, or vegan) and hope I'm doing the right thing. The only real thing I can do is lifelong dietary experimentation.

>>11456904
>The "arguments" that you see anti-vegans make are so stupid and genuinely retarded that I can't believe these people actually believe them
Yeah, I noticed the same. Not vegan tho.

I think it's because many people see their lifestyle threatened and are scared that things might change.

>>11456904
Its because of militant vegans like you who pretend to not be vegans or vegetarians online. Fuck off with your death diet shill.

>>11456904
base

>>11456904
Come back when plants taste good.

Show me a vegan foodstuff that packs as much nutrients into a half pound of food. Then show me anything vegan that tastes better.

>>11458422
Liver is such a clusterfuck of imbalances though. You can't eat something with 10000% of your DV for one mineral and 3% for another with any regularity without developing deficiencies due to absorption competition

>>11456904
That pic is missing so much stuff. Also humans are primates that evolved after learning how to cook stuff with fire (including meat) which in turn changes the bioavailability of food.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/24875-meat-human-brain.html
Also I'm not even gonna post the studies of children on vegan diets and their neurological problems. Fuck their irresponsible parents.

>>11458444
trips of truth

>>11458444
checked

>>11458444
>https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/24875-meat-human-brain.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6983330.stm
>Also I'm not even gonna post the studies of children on vegan diets and their neurological problems
For your sake, it's best you don't try to post cherrypicked studies from the 70s about select children developing rickets due to low vitamin D, blamed on veganism as if that's something inherent to it and doesn't happen to anyone else

>>11456904
NOOOO. STOP SAYING WE'RE A ONIONS SPECIES

>>11458417
All the stuff you like about meat is actually from plants or rocks - the salt is a rock, the spices, and sauces you put on meat are all plants.
Go and kill a rabbit and eat it raw right there and tell me it tastes good.

>>11456904
>Whole food plant based diets are the best for human beings, humans are omnivores that heavily lean towards herbivore and can get everything we need to not just survive, but thrive, while eating nothing but plants.
lol nope
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6611390/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6611390/

>>11458499
Spoken like a true vegan. I like my meat unfiltered.

>>11458508
If you want to do an argument from nature ("natural" source of B12), it's less natural for a human to get B12 by eating meat, or especially dairy as per your link, than to get it from natural water sources contaminated with b12-producing bacteria. With modernization comes water treatment, and the solution being B12 supplementation, not eating meat and increasing chronic disease risks in the process while still being at risk of b12 deficiency due to malabsorption from food.

>>11458422

>>11459162
here's something good
>>11456904

>>11459164
another one
>>11458521
>>11458513
>>11458508

>>11459164
>>11459167
I prefer this, but go eat disgusting shit faggot, i bet you i will get based replies than you'll ever get.

>>11456904
All that may be true but I don't believe humans are naturally frugivores/herbivores. Definitely omnivores. To get the amount of calories I would need in carrots I would have to eat 12 lbs of carrots every day. That's a lot and definitely not natural. I don't even really like any kind of fruit. It's bad for you for the same reasons that candy is bad for you and it doesn't even taste as good as candy so there's no point.

>>11459176
it's pretty hard, i think we were herbivores at first, then turned into omnivores, due to the amount of IQ we got from our brain, we decided to hunt... instead of using our weak hands, and small legs which aren't able to hunt predators.
so i would say both, you wouldn't ever eat unfiltered meat without plants, would you? but you wouldn't be able to survive due to how easily defict you can get

>>11458410
>death diet
Link a single case of someone dieing from a balanced vegan diet.

>>11458521
it's not about natural, it's about readily available. sure one day we can eat lab grown food, i'm all for that. just for the time being i will have my steak thanks.

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/meat-physiology-stress.shtml

american meat, like many american things, is garbage, not only due to how it was raised but also how it was slaughtered and stored

>>11459198
Any grocery store where you'd buy steak has cheap b12 supps

>>11458508
You didn't even read the studies you posted, retard. B12 in the meat you eat comes from supplements too. Unless you're hunting game, which I highly doubt, since I've never seen a faggot hunt.

>>11459205
look dipshit, you are at risk of nutrient deficiencies because you are a slave to your dumb moral system. it doesn't matter if the meat products on market get their b12 from supplements, it's what's readily available for us to purchase. now i'm gonna go eat more meat today just to spite you. actually i'm gonna go buy a cheap skirt steak and throw it in the garbage while i'm at it too, it'll still be cheaper than the "organic" vegan bullshit you waste your money on anyway.

>>11459219
You can't find b12 supps?

>>11459221
oh i could but then i wouldn't be making you vegans cry.

>>11459219
>/sci/ - Emotion & Spite

>>11458444

>meat-tards think vitamin D is primarily sourced from animal products
>doesn't even realize our bodies produce it when our skin is exposed to sunlight

peak american edumacashun

>>11459198

enjoy your t2 diabetes, CVD and ED.

>>11459223
Losing an argument doesn't usually lead to your opponent crying

>>11459229
enjoy your anemia. if you wanna talk about cvd and ed lol.

>>11459233
and where was the argument lost? oh yeah the part about the fact that vegans are anemic faggots that can't get their dicks up because their b12 is shit low. so yeah i didn't lose shit.

>>11459240
>makes point about being unable to get b12
>learns that you can obtain b12
>taunts and jeers instead of accepting the information

>>11459244
>Notably, the risk of vitamin B12 deficiency increases when consuming a diet low in animal products.

>>11459219
>look dipshit
lol, you are literally mad that some people don't want to eat meat.

>you are a slave to your dumb moral system
We are arguing about plant-based diet, not morals. I'm still not vegan btw.

>it doesn't matter if the meat products on market get their b12 from supplements, it's what's readily available for us to purchase.
Supplements are everywhere. You can even choose the form. Liquid, tablets, capsules, you name it. Btw, vegans are much less likely to have B12 deficiency, because they do supplement. Meatslaves often don't get enough because meat quality is so low and plants aren't eaten from the ground anymore.

>cheaper than the "organic" vegan bullshit
Yeah, and if you used your brain just for a moment you'd know why meat is that cheap, although a several hundred kg animal had to be supported for life for that.

>>11459246
>unless supplemented

>>11459246
What part of "vegans supplement B12" do you have problems understanding?

>>11459249
>>11459251
Watch, now he'll start yelling "that ain't natural!" after specifically saying it's not about being natural

>>11459248
>lol, you are literally mad that some people don't want to eat meat.
lol wut? i couldn't care less. this was about you taking a civil reply and making it uncivil, dipshit.

>We are arguing about plant-based diet, not morals. I'm still not vegan btw.
and it's cheaper to eat meat to get your b12.

>Supplements are everywhere.
and the price of supplements compared to a cheap meat product is what?

>Btw, vegans are much less likely to have B12 deficiency, because they do supplement.
what was that about not reading the study? right there in the abstract.
>Notably, the risk of vitamin B12 deficiency increases when consuming a diet low in animal products.

>Meatslaves often don't get enough because meat quality is so low and plants aren't eaten from the ground anymore.
>I'm still not vegan btw.
lol sure not vegan. the only person who is a slave here is you to your morality. i am free to eat as i please. hell i'd even eat human if i knew it was clean. be an interesting experience.

>Yeah, and if you used your brain just for a moment you'd know why meat is that cheap, although a several hundred kg animal had to be supported for life for that.
it's still cheaper for us you dumb fuck.

>>11459249
>>11459251
cost of supplements vs a cheap burger. do the math.

>>11459255
i don't care about what is or isn't natural. i am all about artifice. you vegans on the other hand are all about your organic nonsense.

>>11459256
>cost of supplements vs a cheap burger. do the math.
3 cents per 5,000mcg tablet vs $2 burger with 6mcg

Friendly reminder that "hurr supplements" isn't an argument because most non vegans are deficient (even in B12) and because supplements are extremely easy to take unless you're retarded.

>>11459259
source on supplement price? also the cheap burger is more than just b12.

>>11459256
>i couldn't care less
>dipshit
Haha, sure.

>and it's cheaper to eat meat to get your b12
Wrong. Also, as said, you still don't get enough from meat.

>what was that about not reading the study? right there in the abstract.
Me calling you retarded is not uncivil, it's a fact. What is so difficult about understanding that people take supplements?

>the only person who is a slave here is you to your morality
Attacking strawmen seems to be the only game you got going for ya. I have a hunting and fishing license. You never killed an animal for feasting on it in your whole life.

>it's still cheaper for us you dumb fuck.
That reply doesn't even make sense. I guess you are below 18 years of age?

>>11459265
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/21st-century-high-potency-sublingual-vitamin-b-12-5000-mcg-110-tabs?SourceCode=INTL4071&DFA=1&UTM_Medium=Shopping&UTM_Source=GOOGLE&UTM_Campaign=SWAN_National_Gen_Shopping_Null_Null_All+Products+4055-01+B+Vitamins&UTM_Content=PRODUCT_GROUP&SourceCode=INTL4071&ds_rl=1262629&ds_rl=1263854&ds_rl=1262629&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4PSLlYSS6AIV0MDACh2LxQXHEAkYAyABEgLBdfD_BwE
110 tablets for <$7, each tablet is like 208,000% of your DV, which although it's water-soluble, still stores in the body, allowing you to take one every 1-2 weeks, so 2-4 years worth.
>the cheap burger is more than just b12
Yeah, it's also a heart attack and tit fat

>>11459267
>Haha, sure.
about who eats what. so then by your logic you care becaue:
>retard
ok, be a whiny dipshit. i'm gonna go eat that steak.

>Wrong. Also, as said, you still don't get enough from meat.
wrong, since we find:
>Notably, the risk of vitamin B12 deficiency increases when consuming a diet low in animal products.

>Me calling you retarded is not uncivil, it's a fact.
projection

>What is so difficult about understanding that people take supplements?
i get that sure you can make your life more difficult because you are a slave to your morals and are desperate to post-rationalize your stance.

>Attacking strawmen seems to be the only game you got going for ya.
>What is so difficult about understanding that people take supplements?
rich

>That reply doesn't even make sense. I guess you are below 18 years of age?
no you just are retarded.

>>11459272
well obvs it's water soluble because taking 200,000% of lipid soluble would kill you. fair enough, that price is not bad at all. tho i still find vegans spend crazy amounts on food, every vegan restaurant i've ever been to charges exorbitant prices for shit that isn't even filling.

>>11459280
Like with anything else, you spend more for fancy things, but the basics are some of the cheapest food around. Rice, wheat, beans, potatoes, greens, lentils, bananas, etc.

>>11459286
that is true. but it does necessitate that one cooks for themselves. i have yet to find a cheap vegan restaurant. not that it is necessarily a problem, but it can be an inconvenience. it's so much easier being omnivorous. there is no denying that being vegan is limiting.

>>11459194
>No true Scotsman
The vast majority of people quit veganism. It's easy to portray your diet as perfect when you just pretend that everyone who left didn't do it right.

>>11458455
>when I post is perfect
>when you post is cherrypicked
Go back to kindergarden

>>11459226
You meant B12 retard
https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/nutrients/vitamin-b12/what-every-vegan-should-know-about-vitamin-b12

>>11459436
Yeah its basically the same "it wasn't real socialism/liberalism argument"

>>11456904
ah yes veganism, a diet so healthy you need supplements to survive

>>11459276
>you care becaue:
>>retard
Nah, I just loathe illogical ramblings.

>wrong, since we find:
Again, you're extraordinarily retarded. I suggest working on your reading comprehension.

>i get that sure
You obviously don't, see your argument above this.

>you can make your life more difficult
What's more difficult? Using supplements so you're not deficient, or not using them and being deficient, but suffering from consequences? You don't make any sense here.

>rich
?

>no you just are retarded.
kek, sure. You're the one constantly moving the goalpost tho, so it seems it's you here.

>>11459436
Again, name a single person who died from a balanced vegan diet.

>>11459767
>Dying from diet
>In 5x4+5x400
You should have said
"name a single person who would have died if not for medical intervention from a balanced vegan diet"

>>11456904
Is this some kind of reverse psychology? Larping as a disingenuous vegan to paint them all black?
Either way, not science and boring thread will inevitably end in ad hominems.
Sage goes in all fields. (this might please the vegans, though)

>>11459295
I live in nyc and there are a litany of vegan restaurants that are just as cheap as non vegan ones

>>11459436
>The vast majority of people quit veganism
This is just not true, the majority of vegans and vegetarians remain so for their entire lives

>>11456923
>nutrition science is a cluster-fuck of jargon and questionable results.
this. Its a magnet for bullshitters just like religion.

>>11456904
There is a holocaust happening in out backyards right now and people don't even think about it. Meat eating is by definition the npc diet. Unthinking, unquestioning, unreflective, clear headed, no sense of empathy. When confronted the meat eater is taken aback, seeps into cognitive dissonance, or tries to justify his actions using low brow ethics that they might not even believe in: "durrr my pleasure," "durrr top of the hierarchy," "durrr humane slaughter lmao." Take the first step in getting out of the banality and moving to a newer and more concrete form of thinking. Abolish the logic of capitalist industrialization. Get out of hierarchical thinking and start thinking rhizomatically. Other beings of this earth have their own unique ways and modes of aesthetic experience and if we don't recognize that and learn to live together with them in relationships that don't espouse ideologies of hierarchy there will be dire consequences which have already begun.

>>11458422
Could not fucking love lamb liver more. Absolute King. 5 hours after taking it you can feel the boost.

>>11458424
Is this why if I eat it after say not eating it for two weeks I feel this boost but if I carry on the next three days by the third day there's no real perceived benefit. I have the same experience for Iron. I think i'm probably just bleeding out my guts and will die prematurely.

>>11460009
Yup.
Anti vegans are equivalent to drug-addicted flat earthers. They deny reality while doing something that isn't even healthy for them, and that damages society and the world at large.

>>11459766
>Nah, I just loathe illogical ramblings.
well you must really hate yourself then. but you clearly lack any and all self awareness.

>Again, you're extraordinarily retarded. I suggest working on your reading comprehension.
fucking pottery. dude you keep asserting nonsense. that finding shows that vegan diets typically have vitamin b12 deficiencies.

>You obviously don't, see your argument above this.
thank you for demonstrating how dumb you are. what part of
>>Notably, the risk of vitamin B12 deficiency increases when consuming a diet low in animal products.
don't you understand? yeah you need to supplement this diet. that is where the risk comes from. because you can't just go around eating what you want you need to make sure you take pills. ffs you are so stupid and arrogant about it. fucking dunning kruger embodied, it's retards like you who make this meme real.

>What's more difficult? Using supplements so you're not deficient, or not using them and being deficient, but suffering from consequences? You don't make any sense here.
the fact you need to supplement with the vegan diet opposed to being an omnivore who eats a bit of meat every now and then. my god why do i need to spell this shit out to you and you can't keep up with a simple argument. god you are so stupid. and i doubt it's from anemia, you just are retarded to begin with lol.

>kek, sure. You're the one constantly moving the goalpost tho, so it seems it's you here.
just goes to show what a moron you are. it's called adapting. i refined my argument from learning some information. coming into this i just knew you vegans where anemic limp dicked retards who needed to supplement your b12 so really my argument hasn't really changed just the presentation.

>>11460009
itp: sociopath npc doesn't understand how empathy works so he dishes it out indiscriminately to appear as tho he has it. just like a cipa patient will pretend to experience pain to fit in and often fail to show what it actually looks like.

>>11456904
There is no evidence at all whatsoever that people live longer who eat vegan. You're simply exchanging one health disorder that will kill you with another health disorder that will kill you.

this thread sucks dick

>>11456904
>>11460009
>>11460055
ok vegan

>>11460166
cope

>>11460227
LOL I SAID COPE I'M SO KOOL LOL COPE LUK HOW KUL I AM COPE

>>11460218
>>11460260

>>11460218
>>11460260
>>11460268

>>11459792
No. Anon said "death diet". The request was appropriate.

>>11458499
>t. never eaten a ribeye steak

>>11456904
A paper came out recently claiming that your ability to extract all the required nutrients etc is dependant on genetics. According to the paper the prevalence of the sequences required range from 17% in western Europeans, to 70% in Indian people (India has vegetarian religious sects going back over 2k years)
Recommending everyone to go vegan is irresponsible

>>11458417
plants taste AWESOME, what are you talking about, retard?

>>11460563
>death diet
You use the word Literally without knowing its meaning don't you?

>>11459184
I would eat unfiltered meat, without plants, as long as it was cooked.

>>11460664
>genetic dependant nutrition
Now this I can get into. Post studies.

>>11459767
Impossible, a vegan diet is not balanced.

>>11460131
>well you must really hate yourself then. but you clearly lack any and all self awareness
Delusional. Reason is, ou keep repeating this meaningless quote:
>vegan diets typically have vitamin b12 deficiencies.
WITHOUT SUPPLEMENTS. Do you understand that now?

>you need to supplement
So do meat eaters. Either directly, because of deficiency, or indirectly, because the B12 in meat comes from supplements. You have zero arguments.

>cursing
kek, you still mad as hell that some people don't eat meat and have better nutrition levels than you do. Only explanation I have is that you're either below 18 or living alone.

>i refined my argument from learning some information.
No, you missed the point completely and tried to argue something else.

>>11460816
>meat is a supplement
This is your brain on veganism.

>>11460730
I quoted Anon you fucking idiot:
>>11458410

>>11460769
>vegan diet caused heart attack
Try harder.

>>11460824
That's not what I said, brainlet. Maybe you need more B12 in your diet?

>>11459194
wasn’t there a kid who died from being on a vegan diet?
I’m sure adults are perfectly fine on a vegan diet but a developing child needs way more nutrients than one can provide

>>11460833
They fed him apple juice and oats, iirc. A very restrictive diet. Not balanced and definitely child abuse.

>>11460816
>Delusional.
yes you are.

>Reason is, ou keep repeating this meaningless quote:
it's not meaningless as we find that most vegans are deficient in vitamins and in your case intellect too.

>WITHOUT SUPPLEMENTS. Do you understand that now?
that has been long understood. the fact you keep on asserting

>So do meat eaters. Either directly, because of deficiency, or indirectly, because the B12 in meat comes from supplements. You have zero arguments.
i can just walk into any store or restaurant and eat some meat and get my b12 from it. you have to specifically take supplements to get it. as i explained earlier it's from the buyer's perspective.

>cursing
rich since you started it, retard.

>kek, you still mad as hell that some people don't eat meat and have better nutrition levels than you do.
not on average, hence the paper.

>Only explanation I have is that you're either below 18 or living alone.
nah, you're just an anemic limp dicked retard with no reading comprehension and an inability to reason.

>No, you missed the point completely and tried to argue something else.
pottery. except you did. i never said supplements don't exist which was your assertion. god you are fucking braindead stupid. you just exhibit symptoms of anemia. delusions, unable to concentrate, forgetfulness, etc. i see you're a prime example of why your diet is a bad idea for most people. you're just too stupid to supplement properly unlike that other anon.

>>11460830
he is just a fucking anemic retard.

>>11460848
typical vegans don't know how to balance their diet. hence we find vegans have these nutritional deficiencies that could just be easily avoided.

>>11460816
>Delusional.
yes you are.

>Reason is, ou keep repeating this meaningless quote:
it's not meaningless as we find that most vegans are deficient in vitamins and in your case intellect too.

>WITHOUT SUPPLEMENTS. Do you understand that now?
that has been long understood. the fact you keep on asserting i claimed supplements don't exist is indicative of your delusional mind.

>So do meat eaters. Either directly, because of deficiency, or indirectly, because the B12 in meat comes from supplements. You have zero arguments.
i can just walk into any store or restaurant and eat some meat and get my b12 from it. you have to specifically take supplements to get it. as i explained earlier it's from the buyer's perspective.

>cursing
rich since you started it, retard.

>kek, you still mad as hell that some people don't eat meat and have better nutrition levels than you do.
not on average, hence the paper.

>Only explanation I have is that you're either below 18 or living alone.
nah, you're just an anemic limp dicked retard with no reading comprehension and an inability to reason.

>No, you missed the point completely and tried to argue something else.
pottery. except you did. i never said supplements don't exist which was your assertion. god you are fucking braindead stupid. you just exhibit symptoms of anemia. delusions, unable to concentrate, forgetfulness, etc. i see you're a prime example of why your diet is a bad idea for most people. you're just too stupid to supplement properly unlike that other anon.

>>11460830
he is just a fucking anemic retard.

>>11460848
typical vegans don't know how to balance their diet. hence we find vegans have these nutritional deficiencies that could just be easily avoided.

>>11460883
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganismus&usg=ALkJrhhAj1kJWDsMz2KNjqw_rk1_w1uTKA
Under "Health Aspects".
>typical vegans don't know how to balance their diet. hence we find vegans have these nutritional deficiencies that could just be easily avoided.
No, you're wrong. See sources linked in the above article.

>>11460929
>The review by the Federal Nutrition Commission (EEK) on vegan nutrition from 2018 came to the conclusion that a "well-planned and supplemented vegan diet" could theoretically cover nutrient requirements. However, the results would show that in reality a lack of certain nutrients is widespread.

>>11460883
>yes you are.
>no u
Great comebacks you have there.

>we find that most vegans are deficient in vitamins
No, as said, that's plain wrong and in fact, the reverse is true since meat eaters rarely supplement. Vegans almost always supplement. How is that so hard to understand for you? And you accuse me of low intellect?
Still not vegan, btw. Seems your only skill is attacking strawmen.

>that has been long understood
If that were true, why did you keep repeating it as a response? Don't try to save face here now. You fucked that one up.
>asserting i claimed supplements don't exist
That's not what I did. Learn some reading comprehension.

>get my b12 from it.
Yeah, but not enough. Also if you buy meat specifically, where's the difference to someone buying B12 pills?

>rich since you started it, retard.
There's a difference between calling someone making false statements a retard and spastic ramblings with more than 3 curse word per line.

>not on average, hence the paper
Err, wrong. For the fourth time now, vegans supplement. Your quote only makes a statement about vegans not supplementing. I don't know how to put it any easier for you to digest.

>except you did
Where? Quote.

>i never said supplements don't exist which was your assertion.
Wrong. Seriously, lrn2read.

Absolutely pathetic, lol.

>>11460737
I can't seem to find it, I came across it on someones twitter weeks ago but he tweets it seems hundreds of times a day.
If the study was legit i suppose the results will eventually come into common parlance, I'm no biologist/geneticist so I didn't entirely understand what I was reading.

>>11460664
>>11460737
Found it
https://twitter.com/whyvert/status/1224488082801557504

>>11460949
>The dietary fiber intake of vegans is significantly higher
>the vegan diet has negligible cholesterol intake and consistently good values in this area
>In the intake of saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fatty acids, studies in vegans most often comply with the recommendations of the DGE
>The intake of magnesium for vegans is significantly higher than the intake of the average population
>vegans ingested significantly more vitamin E than mixed foodists.
>average iron intake of both female and male vegans is regularly higher than that of mixed foodists.
>zinc intake was sufficient on average according to the DGE reference values
Critical sometimes:
>calcium
>iodine
>proteins
Critical:
>B12

Not sure what shit you've read there.

>>11460961
Ty anon

>>11460977
k

>>11460950
>the reverse is true since meat eaters rarely supplement.
except we don't have to so no the reverse is not true. just most people don't eat properly. if you eat a balanced omnivorous diet you don't need to supplement shit.

>Vegans almost always supplement.
lol is that why doctors need to tell you anemic retards that b12 isn't a myth?
https://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/0418p38.shtml

>How is that so hard to understand for you?
because it's simple not true, anemic retard.

>If that were true, why did you keep repeating it as a response?
because the existence of b12 supplements doesn't change the statistics that vegans are on average more vitamin deficient than non-vegans.

>Don't try to save face here now. You fucked that one up.
no you just are stupid and need to be hand held to understand things.

>That's not what I did. Learn some reading comprehension.
ok memory impaired anemic retard.

>Yeah, but not enough.
yeah enough. as shown in the article i posted.
>Notably, the risk of vitamin B12 deficiency increases when consuming a diet low in animal products.
do i need to handhold you through this statement too?

>Also if you buy meat specifically, where's the difference to someone buying B12 pills?
because of availability and ease of access as i just explained to you. i can walk in to any grocery store and nearly any restaurant and eat my b12. i don't need to bother with sticking to a pill routine.

>There's a difference between calling someone making false statements a retard and spastic ramblings with more than 3 curse word per line.
you really have no self awareness.

>Err, wrong. For the fourth time now, vegans supplement.
not properly otherwise we wouldn't be finding that there are these deficiencies on average.

absolutely anemically retarded.

>>11460994
lol rekt. anemic retards on suiwatch.

>>11460994
>EPIC-Oxford: lifestyle characteristics and nutrient intakes in a cohort of 33 883 meat-eaters and 31 546 non meat-eaters in the UK, doi: 10.1079 / PHN2002430 , PMID 12740075 . (n = 25,765)
>German vegan study: diet, life-style factors, and cardiovascular risk profile. In: Annals of nutrition & metabolism. Volume 49, Number 6, pp. 366-372, doi: 10.1159 / 000088888 . PMID 16219987 .
>Dietary intake and nutritional status of young vegans and omnivores in Sweden. In: The American journal of clinical nutrition. Volume 76, Number 1, pp. 100-106, PMID 12081822 .
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>Dietary calcium: adequacy of a vegetarian diet. In: Am J Clin Nutr. pp. 1238S-1241S. PMID 8172128 full text
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Yeah.

>>11461009
Pic is for you.

>>11461048
https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l4897
>By contrast, vegetarians had 20% higher rates of total stroke (hazard ratio 1.20, 95% confidence interval 1.02 to 1.40) than meat eaters, equivalent to three more cases of total stroke (95% confidence interval 0.8 to 5.4 more) per 1000 population over 10 years, mostly due to a higher rate of haemorrhagic stroke.

>>11461005
>if you eat a balanced omnivorous diet you don't need to supplement shit.
You don't need to, but you're deficient. Also condemning supplements doesn't work since meat eaters need them by proxy.

>you anemic retards
>anemic retard
>anemic retard
I'm still not vegan nor anemic. Also, you're still mad af.

>vegans are on average more vitamin deficient than non-vegans.
See this here: >>11460977 or post a source. As said five times or so, your article from before doesn't mention supplements or averages.

>as shown in the article i posted
>people neither eating meat nor supplementing getting B12 deficiency means meat-eaters get enough
Wow, you are really retarded. And here I thought you were trolling. Pathetic.

>https://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/0418p38.shtml
lol, the first paragraphs instantly out this as a shill site. We're on a science board here. Post a source or gtfo.

>availability and ease of access
B12 supplements are literally in every supermarket in the first world. Not sure about USA tho.
>pill routine
So what's your meat routine?

>deficiencies on average.
Post source.

>>11461054
>discussion about vitamin deficiency
>b-b-but muh stroke
OP is right.

>>11456904
>>11460848
topkek

>>11461064
>Also condemning supplements
never did that, you delusional anemic tard.

>I'm still not vegan nor anemic.
ok anmeic retard vegan pretneding to be a hunter.

>Also, you're still mad af.
only because you remind me of how stupid this species can get.

>See this here: >>11460977 or post a source
how bout: >>11460994

>your article from before doesn't mention supplements or averages.
do you not know what risk means? can you really not extrapolate? holy fuck you are uneducated.

>>people neither eating meat nor supplementing getting B12 deficiency means meat-eaters get enough
which can be directly extrapolated from the author's statements. mang you are bad at logic. i would fault the anemia but you probably weren't too bright to begin with.

>lol, the first paragraphs instantly out this as a shill site.
they are quoting you vegans. see the quotes, that's not what the author is saying.

>B12 supplements are literally in every supermarket in the first world. Not sure about USA tho.
so is meat rich in b12. which is also available in most restaurants.

>So what's your meat routine?
i eat whatever the fuck i want and get checked regularly at doctor with no deficiencies whatsoever. the difference is i don't have to think about anything, i get hungry i eat. i just tend to enjoy a balanced diet. make sure i spread the industrialized cruelty to all the phylogenetic kingdoms.

>Post source.
>>11460994
i was looking for that earlier. thanks for posting, anon.

nutrition isn't something i think about too much because i just don't have to unlike vegans who spend all day and night thinking about their diet. this is the crux of my argument. life is a lot easier just eating a balanced omnivorous diet. lets you focus on things that really matter like curing disease, ai, making bank, proving p vs np, or whatever. instead of crying about le cows and deluding yourself into thinking it's like a holocaust. they're fucking cows, dude.

>>11461069
> Vegans had the highest intakes of fibre, vitamin B1, folate, vitamin C, vitamin E, magnesium and iron, and the lowest intakes of retinol, vitamin B12, vitamin D, calcium and zinc.
>the lowest intakes of retinol, vitamin B12, vitamin D, calcium and zinc.

Imagine be a vegan and cyclist at the same time.

>>11461085
Strawman. Not what happens.

I mean, we're almost at the point where we can eat all our meals in pill form, which is technically vegan I guess

>>11461091
>vitamin D
Unnecessary to take, since your body produces enough by itself.
>zinc
As I quoted, still compliant with DGE.

>>11456904
https://nypost.com/2019/09/29/man-named-sexy-vegan-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-his-dog/

>>11461142
>retinol, vitamin B12, calcium

>>11461144
>man who dropped bomb on Hiroshima ate meat
>meat eater turned out to be terrorist
>Breivik ate meat

>>11456923
based centrist diet

>>11461147
>On the other hand - depending on the protein and salt content of the vegan diet - the calciuretic (promoting calcium excretion via the kidney ) effect does not have to differ significantly from that of an omnivorous diet

I don't see retinol mentioned there and don't know about it. You forgot iodine.
Still, if you read the parts, meat eaters are just as deficient or even worse in most cases. So what's your point?

veganism was never really meant to be touted as a health diet
fucking oreos and french fries are vegan, after all
the main point of veganism is its morality aspect, and how it avoids taking advantage of animals without their consent

>>11461088
>never did that,
Literally in your post before that
>supplement shit
Who's delusional?

>how bout
Sure:
>not even 4% vegans in the study
>Vegans had the highest intakes of polyunsaturated fatty acids, dietary fiber, vitamins C and E, folate, magnesium, iron, and copper.
kek

>can you really not extrapolate
You want me to extrapolate from incomplete data? Please fuck off to /pol/, this is a science board.
Seriously. You are retarded and delusional. Seek help.

>they are quoting you vegans. see the quotes, that's not what the author is saying.
"Quoting" without naming the sources, idiot. Here is a quote from people like you:
"I gargle on bags of dicks right now"
That site promotes the author's book.

>meat rich in b12.
Wrong. Only wild meat has that. That's why meat eaters are often deficient in B12. Not sure how often I mentioned this before

>checked regularly at doctor with no deficiencies whatsoever
Bullshit. B12 is difficult to measure and since you're American, expensive. Stop lying.

>vegans who spend all day and night thinking about their diet
Vegans with a diet as balanced as you claim yours to be supplement B12 once a day and that's it.

holy fuck this thread is turbo-autist general

>>11461191
>Literally in your post before that
>supplement shit
if you think that's condemnation you really are delusional.

>not even 4% vegans in the study
still statistically significant with that large of an n. such desperate denial mode.
>Vegans had the highest intakes of polyunsaturated fatty acids, dietary fiber, vitamins C and E, folate, magnesium, iron, and copper.
still deficient.

>You want me to extrapolate from incomplete data?
or know what the word risk means you fucking retard. it's based on proportions, odds, etc.
>Please fuck off to /pol/, this is a science board.
back2naturalnews with you
Seriously. You are retarded and delusional. Seek help.

>"Quoting" without naming the sources, idiot.
you just need to google those quotes and you will be spammed with countless hits on yt and reddit with vegans being retarded like you are now.

>Only wild meat has that.
source? you keep asserting this without ever backing it up. yet we find vegans being the ones deficient in b12. so either all meat eaters hunt their meat or meat in super markets have b12 in them. something tells me this will fly over your head.

>That's why meat eaters are often deficient in B12.
nope, pic related.

>Not sure how often I mentioned this before
and never substantiated it beyond a claim so i didn't bother.

>B12 is difficult to measure and since you're American, expensive. Stop lying.
i'm not a poorfag welfare leech like you i can afford health care.

>Vegans with a diet as balanced as you claim yours to be supplement B12 once a day and that's it.
and you dipshits can't even maintain that.

>>11461156
at least those guys don't "love" animals so much they go and fuck their dog.

Carnitards are the reason we have corona. Ignore them

>>11456904
The truth is we don't understand nutrition all that well. We currently know that humans need to supplement certain vitamins when they stop eating meat, but there is the possibility that we could be missing something. Barring the development of a complete theory of nutrition, I'm going to keep eating meat. There is still so much about biology we do not understand.

>>11461537
Proofs? Oh, that's right. You scrawny pencil neck liberals don't have any.

>>11461147
>>retinol
Ever heard of carrots or any other vegetable, fatass?

>>11461932
converted beta carotene, i know. retinol is serum measurements so the question is why don't vegans like carrots? you guys always like those gross trash tier bitter grass plants like arugula and kale. yuck.

>>11462017
>you guys
I'm not even a vegan

>>11462031
and i'm the queen of england.

>>11462052
>everyone who refutes my shitty arguments must be vegan

>>11462057
>refutes
that word doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>11461522
>if you think that's condemnation you really are delusional.
>calling something shit isn't condemnation
Plus your condescension before, obviously.

>still statistically significant with that large of an n.
Pic related. Get the fuck out of anything related to science, please.

>still deficient
Wrong. See the sources posted by other Anon here which show that even regarding zinc etc, which vegans take in less, they are not at all deficient. This is pure delusion. You posting that same pic again from the shit source proves that.

>Seriously. You are retarded and delusional. Seek help.
>no u
Hahahaha, underaged.

>countless hits on yt and reddit with vegans being retarded
Youtube and reddit are not reputable sources, dumb shit. Post source or gtfo now. Influences wear stylish masks against Corona now. Does that mean they represent anything? To you, apparently it does. Pathetic.

>source? you keep asserting this without ever backing it up
Yeah, because it's literally one Google search away, unlike sources for your claim.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271792691_Vitamin_B12_in_meat_and_dairy_products
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6611390/
>due to a better absorption of free vitamin B12 from supplements compared to protein-bound vitamin B12 from foods.
https://www.traditionaloven.com/foods/specific-nutrient/lamb-veal-game/game-meat-boar-wild-cook-roast/cobalamin-b12-vitamin.html
I don't care enough to post more.

Btw, B12 is also in milk and eggs. That's why people not only eating meat, but also milk products and egg are usually fine.

>>11461527
Err, yes, most dogfuckers eat meat. So you could say eating meat is a predisposition of fucking dogs.

>>11461920
>recent pandemics did not start from people eating bats

>>11461907
This.

>>11462485
>calling something shit isn't condemnation
lol, you illiterate tard. i said pill shit, it's like saying stuff.
>Plus your condescension before, obviously.
i was perfectly civil until you got you knickers in a twist and made what would've been a simple exchange into a shit fling.

>Pic related. Get the fuck out of anything related to science, please.
just because you failed stats2000 doesn;t mean it's not science. just another delusion to keep your world view together i guess.

>See the sources posted by other Anon here which show that even regarding zinc etc, which vegans take in less, they are not at all deficient.
>Vegans had the highest intakes of fibre, vitamin B1, folate, vitamin C, vitamin E, magnesium and iron, and the lowest intakes of retinol, vitamin B12, vitamin D, calcium and zinc.
>the lowest intakes of retinol, vitamin B12, vitamin D, calcium and zinc.
doesn't sound like not at all deficient. and again, image.

>This is pure delusion.
you mean like your denial of this research? yeah that actually is delusional.

>You posting that same pic again from the shit source proves that.
>research that disagrees with my preconception is wrong
whatever you need to do to keep up your anemic delusions there, bud.

>Youtube and reddit are not reputable sources, dumb shit.
for research articles? obvs not. but if you want a good idea of what most vegans are like, go to their yt channels and subreddits to see. all sniveling anemic retards like you. it's funny that this point just goes over your head. then again it's the pattern. you just can't seem to grasp and keep up with what is being said to you. symptomatic of your b12 decency anemia.

>Influences wear stylish masks against Corona now. Does that mean they represent anything?
yes it does. it shows fashion trends. the fact you don't see to get this is why you're a dumbass who has trouble with information.

>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271792691_Vitamin_B12_in_meat_and_dairy_products
>Excellent sources of B12 are foods of ruminant origin, so dairy and meat products play an important role in efforts to meet the official daily B12 intake recommendation of 3.0 μg.
where do they say they need to give animals supplements? the b12 is synthesized from their gut bacteria.

>https://www.traditionaloven.com/
great source there bro, what was that about yt and reddit? but here you are using it as a reputable source not to look at trends. lol you dipshit, go back to natrual news and poke sme chakras with your vegan drum circle.

>Btw, B12 is also in milk and eggs. That's why people not only eating meat, but also milk products and egg are usually fine.
from your source:
> In comparison, dairy products have much lower quantities of the vitamin.

>>11462536
just in case you misunderstand what i said about stats, statistics itself is not science, but it's use here is. and your inability to grasp that just shows you don't belong in stem.

is this the website where i can buy cocaine?

Been a vegetarian all my life, never eaten meat, don't even know how it tastes.
my family is vegetarian and they raised me and my brother vegetarian. I had som issues when I was young because I didn't know anything about nutrition and lived on bread basically.
as soon as I got into being /fit/ I started reading up on nutrition and since then, I feel great. donated blood recently and my blood work was near perfect, I needed a little more calcium but other than that no worries at all.
currently in uni working on my masters in biotechnology.

all you meatfags, why can't you accept the benefits that comes with a vegetarian/vegan diet??

sorry for bad english

>>11462566
Very nice. Did you know that medium beef is the most delicious taste ever? It feels like brain-sex if you taste it.

>>11462572
haha i can imagine. I am not saying everyone should give meat up, you can do whatever you want. I just don't understand the negativity towards a plant based diet. and people that still choose to eat meat should do it maybe once or twice every week, not every meal.

>>11462577
people who stop eat meat because of health benefits are retarded. If you tell me its because of the animal farming conditions thats ok 4 me.
I honestly have the feeling thats an anti vegan thread. Cause there is s much bc in it.

>>11462577
if it works for you that's great. the issue i have with vegans is people like op who insist it is the healthiest diet when there are nutrient deficiency risks associated with it. it requires supplementation to be healthy and that is an extra step that to me seems necessary if one were just to be omnivorous. also the vegans who want to ban animal products are cancer too. the way i see it is people should be free to eat what they want. being omnivorous imo is the way to go because it's the least restrictive diet and easiest to get all nutrients one needs. no supplements required. just make sure it's balanced and it's fine.

inb4 op says he's not a vegan while delusionally mocking non-vegans again

>>11462566
>muh anecdotical "evidence"
Yikes

>>11462590
yeah I see where you're coming from. I mean ALL of the supposed "health benefits" that occur when switching to plant based are just because they replaced eating shitty fast food everyday with homecooked meals. nothing else really.

>>11462610
yeah man, I also think everyone should just eat what they want. On the other hand you could probably use some supplements too you know.

>>11458422
> get nutrients from animal liver
> animal gets nutrients from plants

The reason people are against veganism is because they're offended that we, the vegans, are better than them.

>>11462536
Absolutely golden. Look, I'm a published physicist. I know my statistics. You keep bringing up the same shit that was already debunked many posts ago, like
>yes, vegans get less zinc etc
>but it's still more than enough, so they're not deficient
You don't even understand this simple fact, or that vitamin D is unnecessary to take. Same way you kept ignoring your first source never mentioned supplements, which multiple people told you.

So, I posted sources as you requested that show I'm right. I even quoted the part of the source from the pic you reposted to show that it doesn't support your narrative.
What now? Continue being a bitch trying to alter the reality that you're an imbecile, or finally stop posting?

>if you want a good idea of what most vegans are like, go to their yt channels and subreddits to see
Absolutely ridiculous. Yes, you are delusional. See, you've seen liberals on the news as trigglypuff or whatever. You seem to automatically assume all liberals are like that?
You see (former) Trump supporters like Yannoufakis and Shapiro and instantly assume all Republicans are like that and their youtube videos are proof of that?
Gtfo.

>>11462545
>the b12 is synthesized from their gut bacteria
Which necessitates the presence of cobalt, which is supplemented since soil doesn't contain it in sufficient quantities anymore.

>great source there bro
That "source" is biased against my claims, so what's the problem here?

>In comparison, dairy products have much lower quantities of the vitamin
So what? Lower means nothing or what are you implying?

>>11460977
lol you brainlet can't even read further than one sentence

>average iron intake of both female and male vegans is regularly higher than that of mixed foodists
>However, the iron requirement for a purely vegan diet is about 1.8 times higher due to the lower bioavailability of plant iron, which means that the reference value for plant food is higher, especially for female vegans according to these studies Average is not reached.

>zinc intake was sufficient on average according to the DGE reference values
>while another study found that the zinc intake in men was too low on average. However, the bioavailability of zinc in plant food is still below the bioavailability of non-plant food

>>11462753
>pic
What supplements do meat eating bodybuilders use?

>>11462753
>zinc
First study: 66,000 participants, 50% of which did not consume meat.
Second study: 30 vegans

Remind me again, who is the brainlet here?

>>11462779
>However, the bioavailability of zinc in plant food is still below the bioavailability of non-plant food
you ofc

>>11462797
>being lower means it's too low
Nah, still definitely you.

>"vegans don't get enough zinc"
>all sources showing they do
>b-but muh bioavailability
We weren't arguing about bioavailability btw.

>>11462728
>Look, I'm a published physicist. I know my statistics.
sure you are. that's why you don't know how risk is calculated. just like you're not vegan while routinely and desperately trying to mock non-vegans. no on'e buying your bullshit except the choir you're preaching too.

>You keep bringing up the same shit that was already debunked many posts ago
fucking self unaware pottery. you going into a desperate denial mode over research you don't like isn't debunking anything. so i will keep on posting this pic over and over.

>>yes, vegans get less zinc etc
>>but it's still more than enough, so they're not deficient
the only vitamin i really focused on here was b12, keep your anemic brain focused. i know it's hard but this is the reason.

>You don't even understand this simple fact, or that vitamin D is unnecessary to take.
where have i brought up vitamin d? but on this point depends on time of year depending where you live and somewhat skin tone.

>Same way you kept ignoring your first source never mentioned supplements,
they don't have to, if it's just looking at serum vitamin concentrations. you can extrapolate that as you will. the point is vegans are dumb.

>So, I posted sources as you requested that show I'm right.
except it doesn't say you're right. it directly contradicts you.
>Excellent sources of B12 are foods of ruminant origin, so dairy and meat products play an important role in efforts to meet the official daily B12 intake recommendation of 3.0 μg.
no where do they say they pump livestock of b12 as you claim either. because b12 is synthesized in their gut bacteria just like it is in game. you delusional brainlet.

>I even quoted the part of the source from the pic you reposted to show that it doesn't support your narrative.
i love how you keep on making things up. you really are a delusional anemic.

>>11462728
>>11462734
>Continue being a bitch trying to alter the reality that you're an imbecile, or finally stop posting?
amazing, no self awreness.

>See, you've seen liberals on the news as trigglypuff or whatever. You seem to automatically assume all liberals are like that?
those aren't liberals and no, because those aren't all the left wingers you see on tv. that is a subset of them. also "all", amazing how disingenuous you are, i'm not sure you're even aware of it.

>Which necessitates the presence of cobalt, which is supplemented since soil doesn't contain it in sufficient quantities anymore.
you'll need to back up your claims here instead of schizo posting like you do.

>So what? Lower means nothing or what are you implying?
i never said that it does. but it doesn't mean not deficient as you're implying.

>>11462814
>be vegan
>be deficient in zinc
>b-but we get enough zinc!

>>11462779
>First study: 66,000 participants, 50% of which did not consume meat.
didn't look at deficiencies. just who is higher and lower in what.

>>11463416
his problem is the b12, fren. anemia has rotted his brainlet brain so much.

>>11463401
>routinely and desperately trying to mock non-vegans.
What? Where? You're Real fucking delusional. The only one mocking others here is you. See your older posts.
You know what's really important in physics? Significance.

>research you don't like
Errr, no. I specifically said what makes that paper retarded. Where's your comeback to that? Where's your critique of the ones I posted?

>i will keep on posting this pic over and over
lol, do it. Just shows your mental age.

>the only vitamin i really focused on here was b12
>where have i brought up vitamin d?
You literally mentioned those
in the post before mine. As I said, absolutely delusional.

>it directly contradicts you.
Absolutely not. You're just incapable of reading comprehension.
>excellent source means you'll get enough
>the meat tested was from where?
>play an important role means they're enough
Learn to read.

>b12 is synthesized in their gut bacteria
Yes, in ruminants. Not other animals. That's why ruminants are supplemented with cobalt. Idiot. Just google it yourself.

>>11463403
>amazing, no self awreness.
Amazing, still not addressing the points made and attacking the source instead.

>that is a subset of them
Wow, you're beginning to learn here! So, what are the vegans you are talking about in relation to the general group of vegans?
Btw, show a video where one such claim is made. I doubt there exist more than a few.

>i never said that it does.
You implied it by using it as a response. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

>>11463416
>moving the goalpost
>ignore studies with significant population portion that says vegans get enough zinc

>>11463456
Stay mad.

>>11456904
I have no issue with veganism, just don't bring up the whole "humans aren't evolved to eat meat" bullcrap. I think the best diet is debatable, but it's pretty clear humans can do quite well on a huge variety of foods, and that's been a major source of our success as a species. We never would have moved away from the tropics if we couldn't subsist without fruit.

>>11463624
>The only one mocking others here is you.
meanwhile your op post and the rest of this thread shows otherwise. pottery.

>I specifically said what makes that paper retarded. Where's your comeback to that?
i already explained it to you. how many times do you need something repeated?

>i will keep on posting this pic over and over
well clearly you need a lot of repetition as evidenced by your anemic symptoms.

>You literally mentioned those
i greentexted what a paper wrote. i wasn't going on about anything other than b12.

>Absolutely not. You're just incapable of reading comprehension.
it does, directly says meat products. that's not the supposed game you hunt, but farm animals.

>play an important role means they're enough
again. this study with the large n made up of mostly omnivores does show it is clearly enough.

>Learn to read.
stop being an anemic retard and take your b12 ffs.

>Yes, in ruminants.
like cows.

>That's why ruminants are supplemented with cobalt.
your point? all farming requires enrichment of soil. same with plants, they need cobalt added to their soil too. oh but wait that's "unnatural we need to be retarded primitivists who hunt and forage". just go live innawoods like the dirty hippie you are already. no one will miss you.

>Amazing, still not addressing the points made and attacking the source instead.
>points are my shit flings

>Wow, you're beginning to learn here!
well i'm not anemic so learning comes easy unlike you who still has trouble and needs constant repetition.

>So, what are the vegans you are talking about in relation to the general group of vegans?
deficient in nutrients.

>You implied it by using it as a response.
for a physicist you really have an issue with intervals. low encompasses deficient. and seeing as your source doesn't look at deficiencies, it is a possibility. and we have a study that shows deficiencies and you have a hissy fit over it.

>>11463401
Iodine? Kelp is the richest source of iodine there is.

why am i trying to help vegans? i wasted enough time itt.

>>11456904
except a frugivore is not distinct to a herbivore or omnivore.

>>11463678
>your op post and the rest of this thread shows otherwise
I'm not OP you fucking idiot. There are 46 people in this thread.

>i already explained it to you
No, you didn't.

>i wasn't going on about anything other than b12.
Then why quote it?

>all farming requires enrichment of soil.
Yes. Finally you understand.

>oh but wait that's "unnatural we need to be retarded primitivists who hunt and forage".
Well, that was your point, which I disagreed with. Nice that you're finally accepting that it's next to impossible to do so.

>deficient in nutrients.
Wrong, as shown by the multiple studies mentioned before.

>low encompasses deficient
No.

> you have a hissy fit over it.
Last time I checked, you're the condescending Anon here. If anyone is mad here it's you. This is the only reason I keep replying to your retardation.

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>>11461292
this

>>11463715
>Then why quote it?
notice how b12 is also listed.

>Finally you understand.
i knew that the whole time. my point was stated preciously. from the buyer's perspective, why can't you seem to get that?

>Well, that was your point, which I disagreed with.
no, you're the faggot advocating hunting game. i from the start of all this advocated technology, see:
>>11459198
>sure one day we can eat lab grown food, i'm all for that.
>sure one day we can eat lab grown food, i'm all for that.
>sure one day we can eat lab grown food, i'm all for that.
>sure one day we can eat lab grown food, i'm all for that.

>Wrong, as shown by the multiple studies mentioned before.
no study showed that vegans aren't b12 deficient. on the contrary we find either low which encompasses too low aka deficient or full out deficient.

>Last time I checked, you're the condescending Anon here.
you deserve no more.

>If anyone is mad here it's you.
sure thing, that's why you can't even keep up with what is being said. you're so butthurt you cannot even comprehend things.

>>11463763
undeniably true.

>>11463845
>from the buyer's perspective
Already debunked posts ago.

>advocating hunting game
Where the fuck did I do that? Delusional.

>i from the start of all this advocated technology
That's cool and all, but why are you moving the goalpost again? It's not what we're talking about.

>we find either low which encompasses too low aka deficient or full out deficient
Yeah, in vegans who don't supplement and religious cults with restrictive diets. Not in vegans going for a balanced diet, as I said. The average vegan takes B12 supplements. Did you count how many times I already said that?

>you deserve no more.
Your tears are delicious.

>you're so butthurt you cannot even comprehend things.
lolwut? I'm not the one here calling you names except for retard in the beginning. You're the one spazzing out because some people don't eat meat but also don't have any health issues.

>>11463924
>Already debunked posts ago.
by saying farms enrich soil? that's not debunking my point. very non-sequitur.

>Where the fuck did I do that? Delusional.
you seem to have some issue with soil enrichment.

>That's cool and all, but why are you moving the goalpost again?
it's not a goalpost move. you wanna see a goal post move, check the op from which this all started:
> can get everything we need to not just survive, but thrive, while eating nothing but plants.
but need supplements for b12. didn't notice your own bs did you? that's not just plants.

>Yeah, in vegans who don't supplement and religious cults with restrictive diets.
except the studies just took random samples you are so desperate and delusional.
>Not in vegans going for a balanced diet, as I said.
and reality says something else. so you may want to rework your model or you can stay delusional.
>the average vegan takes B12 supplements.
so why are they low to deficient in b12 then?
>Did you count how many times I already said that?
asserting a falsehood over and over again won't magically make it true.

>Your tears are delicious.
your delusions have no bounds.

>I'm not the one here calling you names
oh poor bitch boy can't take what he started lol.

>You're the one spazzing out because some people don't eat meat but also don't have any health issues.
your delusions have no bounds.

>>11463953
>by saying farms enrich soil?
No, in the very beginning.

>you seem to have some issue with soil enrichment
No.

>didn't notice your own bs did you?
I'm still not OP.

>except the studies just took random samples
Study with 31,000 no meat eaters comparing them to 34,000 meat eaters vs "we looked at 30 vegans".

>and reality says something else.
See above.

>why are they low to deficient in b12 then?
You still don't get that that study didn't look at vegans who take supplements.

>asserting a falsehood over and over again won't magically make it true.
Then why are you doing it?

>your delusions have no bounds
It's funny how the only rebuttal you have is no u. You lack Creativity.

>bitch boy
Stay mad. I'm still enjoying this.

>>11456904
People are harder to convince to change their habits if you keep telling them that "they are morons". It's a weird psychological effect.

>>11462682
Plant gets nutrients from dirt. Let's skip the steps and eat dirt.

OH MY FUCKING GOD IS THE AUTISM EVER GOING TO STOP IN THIS THREAD LOLOLOLOL HOLY SHIT THIS IS A MARATHON

>>11458499
>Go and kill a rabbit and eat it raw right there and tell me it tastes good.
Go into your backyard and live off eating grass and trees for a month, report back

>>11464363
No, my dad sprays it with pesticide.

>>11456904
Yes. Lets completely ignore the evolutionary advantage that sets humans apart from the other apes: cooking.
Cooking solves all of the issues related to "biologically inappropriate" foods. That which was once indigestable is now nutritious to man's ancestors, and we have since evolved to be truly omnivorous.

>>11456904
You should be vegetarian, not vegan. You should eat fruits, legumes, seeds, nuts and eggs and milk/fromage

>>11465127
Milk and eggs aren't even the best sources for the nutrients they're being shilled for.

>>11464363
>vegans eat grass and trees
Retard.

>>11465214
This. Once you learn a bit about the milk industry, you're going down a huge rabbit hole of bullshit.

I’d use this advice.

https://matt-blackburn.com/blogs/news/the-clf-protocol