/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11452494
If anyone wants to talk about the Coronavirus, and link evidence to why it's just a flu that we shouldn't worry about/a flu that's very dangerous and could potentially do damage to the human civillization, come here, so you can stop making multiple posts about the Coronavirus, k?

>>11452494
OH NOES

Not muh old chinkeroooooos
>https://archive.is/WzCQc
>March 2, 98-year-old Chinese woman cured of coronavirus in Wuhan

Muh Corona
>https://archive.is/BBUSm
>March 5, US surgeon general: Americans should be more concerned about the flu than coronavirus

>https://archive.is/AqHUp
>March 5, Coronavirus: South Korea’s aggressive testing gives clues to true fatality rate
>With 140,000 people tested, the country’s mortality rate is just over 0.6 per cent compared to the 3.4 per cent global average reported by the WHO

>>11452494
Updates:

>News
US prepares for 4.8 million hospitalizations
https://archive.is/7BkR0
15 million to die, $2.4 trillion recession
http://archive.is/s1wVX
UK supermarkets begin rationing
http://archive.vn/UTeCL
Italy to prioritize those most likely to survive
http://archive.is/0EHtj
CDC approvals delay testing in New York
http://archive.is/6eKMi
>RESEARCH
Young cases end up hospitalized too, it just takes longer
http://archive.is/z6uLb

Resistant to antivirals
http://archive.is/pgxDl
Aerosolized, airborne transmission
http://archive.is/AOka6
Bodies must be cremated
http://archive.is/kdBtS
Rapidly mutating
http://archive.is/GPVv4
>REMINDER
Lockdowns cover 760 million people in China
http://archive.is/TpjsQ
Italy not testing contacts even if symptomatic
https://archive.is/FScSh
WHO estimated 284,000 deaths for H1N1 from only 18,000 confirmed
http://archive.is/S1vBE
Infection could reach 60% of world population
http://archive.is/Xcxwm
China figures likely simulated
http://archive.is/gzUVo
>STATS
23:03: First 3 cases in Iowa, United States. They are former passengers of a River Nile cruise ship in Egypt.
22:50: 6 new cases in Egypt.
22:40: 1 new case in Broward County, Florida, United States.
22:01: 1 new case in Davidson County, Tennessee, United States. The second case mentioned in the press release, in Shelby County, was previously reported.
21:35: 3 new cases in Argentina.
21:33: 1 new death in England, United Kingdom.
20:30: 14 new cases in Israel.
► Detected: 109,837 ► Died: 3,802

>>11452494
Do you think there's a solution towards the coronavirus? Discuss!

>>11452494
Any doctors around here who can explain the coronavirus?

Bump.

Does everyone like ignoring threads or what? Seriously, this is a coronavirus general thread, it must be a sticky at least to force the corona-cucks to post here. Why aren't I getting more replies?

>>11452515
“Given that cases typically die 1-3 weeks after onset, the case-fatality rate can artificially be reduced with an initial wave of newly diagnosed, new onset cases,” said Michael T. Osterholm, director of the Centre for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. “Only after three weeks to a month can you calculate a reliable case-fatality rate for that group with onset the month before. So I think the case-fatality rate will go up, not down in Korea in the 30 to 60 days ahead.”
Only time will tell. Also, there was a 30 year old doctor who died, so the whole "this 98 year old woman survived so this is a nothing burger" is not a valid argument. +80% of people above 80 survive, this is not indicative of anything other than "it can be survived".

>>11452703
We see a patient presenting with cough, shortness of breath, fever. We order an xray of the chest and flu swab. If the swab is negative and the xray shows bilateral pneumonia, it could be a possibility. It could a number of other non-coronavirus viruses but if they have a history of travel to exposed areas or contact with exposed people we send a test to the CDC.
Treat it with steroids, maintain oxygen saturation, and keep vitals stable.
Specific questions?

>>11452891
Retard, this means it could be cured later. It isn't as bad as people claim. Since she survived, she's more likely to have the immune system be able to defeat the virus.

Janitor applications are now being accepted for the next ~48 hours

>>11452924
It's time to drop the recent travel criteria, it's endemic

>>11452924
Yes, what are it's features? Like what properties are the most interesting to study? I have heard it's a part of the SARs, so how did it come back? W

>>11452938
This thread is a better general than most other generals. At least I made this general feel more alive and less bot-ish. So go and cry away. This thread is amazing, I created and I'm proud of it.

Anyways, what do you think of the coronavirus?

It's pretty coincidental that I'm allready innculated against coronavirus, they issued these bonds two months after I became homeless, and then there was a pandemic like two months before the option expired. Seems like someone is doing something good releasing this obvious biological weapon.

World Bank Launches First-Ever Pandemic Bonds to Support $500 Million Pandemic Emergency Financing Facility
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2017/06/28/world-bank-launches-first-ever-pandemic-bonds-to-support-500-million-pandemic-emergency-financing-facility

>>11452937
>Retard, this means it could be cured later. It isn't as bad as people claim. Since she survived, she's more likely to have the immune system be able to defeat the virus.
Are you fucking retarded? Yes she survived, that doesn't mean others will survive. Many scientists have feared the SARs but were sure that it wasn't that bad. The coronavirus on the other, hand... they are worried. Just because one general surgeon said 'lol flu is scarier' doesn't mean he's correct.

>>11452515
I'm more interested in the extremely small percentage of severe patients that Korea has. The number of overall cases is similar to Italy yet the severe patient count is closer to Japan, which has nowhere near those numbers. I know this is somewhat due to differences in testing. Another interesting point is that all three countries confirmed their first cases by the end of January, with Italy confirming their first case a whole week later. I honestly don't understand why the data for the development of covid outside of China is kind of all over the place.

>>11452494
https://discord.gg/P4zyRjB

>>11452943
We see hundreds of patients a day with respiratory illness and can't afford to test them all

>>11452945
I work in an ER so I wouldn't know about the studies. My patients are basically hot potatoes or ticking time bombs

>>11452980
Well, how did your patients get the disease (Like by travel or most common place for them to get the disease)?

>>11452966
>Are you fucking retarded? Yes she survived, that doesn't mean others will survive. Many scientists have feared the SARs but were sure that it wasn't that bad. The coronavirus on the other, hand... they are worried. Just because one general surgeon said 'lol flu is scarier' doesn't mean he's correct.
[Citation Needed]

>>11452999
>[Citation Needed]
>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-3156.2008.02146.x

"Beijing among others within the provisions of the ‘Treatment and Prevention Law’ instituted collective quarantine for 12000 people by completely sealing off hospitals, construction sites, residential buildings and universities. In some rural areas in China, entire villages were cordoned off, e.g. in Hebei Province"

"Quarantine of contacts was applied in all reviewed countries, yet China in its decision to apply quarantine on a wide scale by declaring epidemic zones and placing people under collective quarantine in villages or institutions outdid the other countries. Shanghai for instance placed people from Beijing under quarantine even in the absence of symptoms (Huang 2004)."

"Such a large scale quarantine might have been effective for China because of its unique situation as many of the initial SARS cases in Guangdong were food handlers or sold wild animals (Xu et al. 2004) along with the fact that more than 65% of cases in Beijing did not have a contact history during the later phase of the epidemic (Wu et al. 2004) but generally its effectiveness for containing SARS was questioned as only a very small percentage of quarantined individuals developed SARS (Bell and WHO working group on prevention of international and community transmission of SARS 2004; Day et al. 2006)."

>>11453017
Irrelevant, just because COVID-19 had more quarantines, if anything, it shows I'm more in the right.

>>11453027
>Irrelevant, just because COVID-19 had more quarantines, if anything, it shows I'm more in the right.
And how?

>>11453033
>And how?
Are you completely unaware of the extent of the current lockdowns in China? They compeltely locked down a fucking 10M+city. Forbiden anyone from entering or leaving the city, shut down the metro, banned driving, banned going out exceot for shopping, people leaving houses having their temperature checked, later even banned going out for shopping altogether and order people to order food. Streets and places getting sprayed with disinfection. (something nasty enough to kill animals) Similar measures temporarily in other cities (Wuhan is still locked down).

>>11453033
>Are you completely unaware of the extent of the current lockdowns in China? They compeltely locked down a fucking 10M+city. Forbiden anyone from entering or leaving the city, shut down the metro, banned driving, banned going out exceot for shopping, people leaving houses having their temperature checked, later even banned going out for shopping altogether and order people to order food. Streets and places getting sprayed with disinfection. (something nasty enough to kill animals) Similar measures temporarily in other cities (Wuhan is still locked down).
China does that everytime, why do you think the SARs and other pandemics failed yet the COVID-19 is the one thats horrible?

>>11452975
Just found some data that exemplifies what I'm talking about.
https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/current-patterns-transmission/global-time-varying-transmission.html
So going by this, Korea is already past their peak. I'm not sure about the others though.

>>11453038
>China does that everytime, why do you think the SARs and other pandemics failed yet the COVID-19 is the one thats horrible?
Because these other pandemics were more lethal.

>>11453046
>Because these other pandemics were more lethal.
Right... Not because of another factor that would your retarded conspiracy, right?

>>11453064
>Right... Not because of another factor that would your retarded conspiracy, right?
yes

>>11453040
Korea is based.

>>11453086
>cringe imgflip watermark
>cringe yes meme
>cringe wojak meme
cringe and fagpilled

>>11453093
>cringe wojak meme
go back to plebbit retard

>>11452494
Well, lets see here

1) you are able to be infected and have a 28 day window where you are infectious but not symptomatic.
2) looking at resolved cases the death rate is between 7 and 15%, we will get better numbers later on when we can remove chinas lies from the statistics, but the current number is reported to be 3.7
3) 20% of cases require hospitalization
4) the japanese nurse/doctor who got reinfected.
5) it lasts 9 days on a surface

what this means is unlike the other ones where you get sick fairly fast, this one can slip passed a border and you may never know ground zero for where the infection started, this makes the infection spread bad.

the way mortality rate is calculated is total infections vs death, while the real mortality rate is resolved cases, this way you can manipulate what the death rate is to try and hold back panic

20% hospitalization will mean this gets expodentially worse and if it goes full blow its everywhere, people will die just due to hospitals not being able to handle an epidemic in the us.

The japanese doctor/nurse who had it, got over it, and re got it again gave rise to new concerns
1) its multi pahasic, not sure if this was ruled out or not but now we are getting into the territory of what anthrax is.
2) we gain no immunity to it, given how log it stays 'dormant' how long it stays on surfaces, and how we would have to evacuate a place for 2 weeks or so to even call it safe, while you may be a carrier and re infect the area... its not good
3) it mutates so fast that a new strain happen that fast, and at that point, we are likely fucked as a species
4) it was a total fluke.

Largely, this is serious, this will get fuckin bad, but how bad is in the air because china lied at every step of the way, and the west wont go martial law till shit is beyond to late.

>>11453096
>go back to r*ddit
>uses wojak meme
tell that to yourself retard.

>>11452891
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>>11453017
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>>11453086
>>11453096
good fuck. you're a schizo, go here: >>>/x/

>>11453104
>>11453115
sure, keep screaming until you experience the coronavirus.

>>11453096
>>/sci/image/g7qnCMqDQLk8ypOLV5OaRQ

>>11453118
>sure, keep screaming until you experience the coronavirus.
you're the type of person to act like the world's gonna end in 2012, Y2K, and many other stuff. but when people don't believe you, you tell me them to just wait. when they wait and nothing happens, you act like you didn't say anything in the first place.

>>11453118
https://youtu.be/KRB-iHGHSqk

>>11453125
holy fuck, congrats, you found me, here, earn a medal for your incredible act.

>>11453100
Sources for all of that shit.

>>11453132
cry harder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14

>>11453126
>you're the type of person to act like the world's gonna end in 2012, Y2K, and many other stuff. but when people don't believe you, you tell me them to just wait. when they wait and nothing happens, you act like you didn't say anything in the first place.
so you're telling me Y2K and 2012 = COVID-19. sure, retard.

>>11453153
No.
Bye bye /x/igger

>>11452980
One recently traveled by plane from San Diego to Portland. The other came from a nursing home with no travel or exposure

>>11452995
One recently traveled by plane from San Diego to Portland. The other came from a nursing home with no travel or exposure

>>11453155
>Bye bye /x/igger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWwb8S02f_c

>>11452995
It may be possible that other people have it. But those two patients are the only two people who fit the CDC guidelines for testing. Literally there aren't enough tests to just be testing everyone with the correct symptoms, they have to be critically ill. That's why Oregon is now in a state of emergency, they are begging for test kit funding to control the spread and quarantine the people who have it with mild symptoms.
Truly seems like a culling of the old and sick

>>11453165
fuck off, you're basically providing no arguments, like /x/igger and /pol/tard you are.

>>11453178
>fuck off, you're basically providing no arguments, like /x/igger and /pol/tard you are.

>>11453100
well lets see here, and i'm not googling it fir a 4chan thread

china numbers were that it could be in a person for 14 days before they show signs of infection and are able to spread, they later said up to 28 days but apparently most of the world won't acknowledge the 28 day number despite time and time again seeing people go asymptomatic for more then 14 days and getting out of quarantines.

take the number of resolved cases and divide death, depending on the source for numbers, that was as high as 50% at some points but has settled a bit lower at 7-10 currently, I can't wait to toss china numbers out entirely as they poison this data set. but globally its aconolages at a 3.7% death rate currently unless something drastic happened today.

every sample size so far has seen 20% of all cases needing hospitalization

and 9 days on surfaces was from a bio research lab out of india if I remember the where correctly.

the japanese nurse/doctor, this was a recent thing so I don't know if this was ever resolved which is why I have 4 outcomes there, but bio researchers were leaning toward the possibility of number 1, I don't know if it was them preparing for the worst and hoping the best.

>>11453126
well... the fact that it has spread like it has, means its a pandemic but people who can officially name it as such, don't want to due to the mass panic that will come from it.

y2k, while it was real, was also solved for the most part by patches, funny thing is some of those patches lasted till 2020 and when 2020 kicked around what would have happened at y2k happened, its kind of retarded, but because of how known the y2k issues was it was dealt with but the other ones that are the same problem aren't because no one is paying attention.

2012 is just retarded

>>11453190
>I'm just saying that people kept saying the world would end, but they were all wrong. COVID-19 is just SARs 2.0

>>11453190
>well... the fact that it has spread like it has, means its a pandemic but people who can officially name it as such, don't want to due to the mass panic that will come from it.

I'm just saying that people kept saying the world would end, but they were all wrong. COVID-19 is just SARs 2.0

>>11453180
>>>fuck off, you're basically providing no arguments, like /x/igger and /pol/tard you are.
kys retard, your family wouldn't miss you.

>>11453247
>kys retard, your family wouldn't miss you.

>>11453273
RULE 2: You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>11453233
>>11453236
there is a major difference between sars and covid, sars didn't have carriers who were asymptomatic infectious for up to the better part of a month with most being 2 weeks, it was FAR more containable, sars also wasn't airborne (I believe covid is)

the fact of the matter is, what we know about covid at this point, we are ill equipped to handle a massive outbreak, and we aren't dystopian enough to stop it before shit thoroughly hits the fan.

what we know is this
>Fuck, covid hit this area, where now we got to trace back 14+ days of contact to see where it came from
>We can't do that
>We need to lock the areas down to make sure the spread is contained
>We can't do that
>People have to stay inside and not go out
>We can't do that


Now, I hope covid ia sars 2.0 and its overblown shit, or its not as deadly as it is when you take resolved cases into account and not go

>hurrdurr, there are 140000 people infected and only 3000 died, its such a low mortality rate
>Sir, only 13000 people have cases resolved, there are still over 20k in icu
>DURR Nope, we use total cases to tell you death rate, not resolved because this is the smart thing to do

I hope that before shit thoroughly hits the fan a vaccine is created and its an easy in and out one dose, I really do, but im not looking at this hopefully when I look at how little it would take to completely disrupt supply lines, how much we relied on china for key items, and how the public will react when they see the signs of supply line problems.

>>11453306
I think we could all agree that eating bats should be banned.

So let me get this straight
>coronavirus hit
>millions may die because no country is properly prepared
>the global economy will totally shit the bed and already is
>Global trade and globalism will grind to a halt and civil unrest will follow

That might just be the worst case scenario, but that's all I see coming desu

>>11453299
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>>11453341
>RULE 2: You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>11453325
based /pol/ord

>>11453325
Its worse than that: Crime's going to spiral out of control. With half the police force out with the plague the other half is going to be too scared to want to head out and about for fear of catching the corona virus too.

This leaves "people of low economic standing" with basically free reign to do whatever the fuck they want-- mass looting and pretty much anarchy are going to reign in every place that's not a gated community where the inhabitants can flex on the government to come out "or else" and deal with shit.

>>11453341
>>11453353
>>11453356
>cringe greentexting
>cringe /pol/tard
lmao, get out of this sub you retard, this sub is for intellectuals, not /pol/tards or /x/iggers. go call somebody else a jew because he disagreed with you on /pol/, and start having psychosis on /x/. but not on /sci/. fucking degenerate.

>>11453374
>sub

>>11453390

>>11453407
https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

>>11453371
So many defenseless people. So many atomized individuals with no ties to anyone just waiting to wither and die.

I really hope it isn't actually happening yet but the only way to survive will be through clans and gangs.

>>11453407
>Close the boarders to mexico
Which... really isn't where the disease is coming from. Like, AT ALL.

This is like someone saying that a person's robbing your house and they reply "No problem, I totally turned off my oven!"

>>11453419
true, clans and gangs maintain are basically tribes waste version.

>>11453424
what do you mean? the only reason the coronavirus is spread is due to illegal aliens, remove those illegal aliens and we're done.

>>11452879
Fuck off dickhead, you evidenced absolutely no knowledge on the subject, have named a general after yourself, reply with no sensical reddit-tier "source" questions when people clearly provide sources. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
Get back to your studies mate. Let the adults talk. Your threads are shit as fuck and a pox on this place.

>>11453424
I know, I sent him this image to show how retarded Trump is. He seems to be defending this orange man. Sad!

>>11453438
The fuck are you on about, the spread is from people who traveled to iran and italy.

Seriously, where the hell are you getting your info from, if that were true it would have started in the south and worked its way up from border states.

>>11453440
I didn't even reply with any sources. What the fuck are you talking about? Are you still in your schizophrenzia?
>Get back to your studies mate. Let the adults talk. Your threads are shit as fuck and a pox on this place.
Faggot

>>11453446
No, I never said they spread it, I said they were the indirect reason they spread, they kept telling the media 'stop closing borders, open borders to anyone'. When there are less illegal aliens, we can finally close the borders.
There are even illegal aliens wanting to free healthcare, so doctors spend more time on them and less time on the actual citizens. Slowing down the cure research for the COVID-19, less illegal aliens, curing more actual citizens which speeds up cure research,

>I know, I sent him this image to show how retarded Trump is. He seems to be defending this orange man. Sad!

>>11453464
>>11453466
There is a reason why I linked /pol/ in my post.
Also, why do you praise Trump so much? This is a /sci/ board, not a /b/ or /pol/ board. Go to /pol/ if you love your Trump, no, not /pol/, a general of /pol/ called /ptg/, Trump is so bad, that /pol/ even hates him. LOL

>>11453470
OP:
>I don't have biases
>Trump is shitty, go to /pol/
I would have been okay if you linked me to /pol/ but your lack of knowledge, complaining about Trump thinking /pol/ hates him is absurd. Yes he does get hated, but that's due to shill threads. Ever heard of that? Trump was and will always trigger liberals in every direction and that's what makes him based.

>>11453472
Yeah Yeah, I get it, I'm sorry for being a hypocrite. Now go to /pol/ please and stop /pol/uting my thread. You spread uneducated opinions about the coronavirus then spread /pol/ posts, get out.

>>11453477
>/pol/uting my thread
cringe.

>>11453481
says the same dude that make multiple wojak memes and tells users to go to r*ddit while he's probably a r*dditor.

>>11453484
>says the same dude that make multiple wojak memes and tells users to go to r*ddit while he's probably a r*dditor.
OP, please don't make threads. you're brainless as fuck

>>11453316
yea... it was bats, not the bio lab doing research on the virus where one of the researches was ecstatic to find ticks on a bat because it would make crossing the species barrier easier. you know... the biolab a literal stone throw away from where the ground zero case supposedly happened.

I don't know what china was doing, and biochemists when talking about hypotheticals come to largely the same conclusions on what it is but the reason for doing it is what's in the air.

>>11453488
ok then, bye troll.

>>11453037
so, same as SARS

>>11453371
crime in a traditional sense isn't the worst case scenario
crime in the normal person is panicking and is willing to kill over a roll of toilet paper is.

>>11453494
ignore him, he's clueless, it's useless talking to him.

>>11453424
yea... but here is a problem, mexico is the easy entry point to america, or at least was, hell we had an african migrant train of 144 people try to cross mexican border.

the people most likely to cross are people who think they are going to get something, be it a job, a better life, or help, and people needing help are going to be great carriers, I mean how many cases of serious illness were found in the caravans that tried to cross?

1 person to infect one there, that person has poor hygiene, and more people are infected. and the problem then just gets worse and worse.

>>11453407
this is what you sat to the public, I believe 100% they did have a plan and implemented it sooner than people realize, but they have been and still are taking it seriously since cough one.

but we can't lock down anywhere as efficiently as china can.

>>11453494
>ok then, bye troll
OP, fuck yourself
>>11453501
>ignore him, he's clueless, it's useless talking to him.

>>11453472
funny thing is, if he doesn't get us into a new war, he will go down as the best president we have had at least in my 32 years, and if he ends afghanistan will be the best president in living memory.

>>11453508
lmao, COVID-19 is still not gonna happen whether you like it or not, just like how Ebola was started by africans eating bats, and ended being irrelevant, so will the Coronavirus.

>>11453518
the problem with ebola is how rapidly it mutates, if it wasn't for that no one in the west would give a shit, but that fear that it could mutate airborne, that is why people go down to stop outbreaks of it.

>>11453518
>lmao, COVID-19 is still not gonna happen whether you like it or not, just like how Ebola was started by africans eating bats, and ended being irrelevant, so will the Coronavirus.
The COVID-19 wasn't started by eating bats, dumbass. It was started by ((them))

>>11453528
>The COVID-19 wasn't started by eating bats, dumbass. It was started by ((them))
Your stupidity is astounding, how could a virus be created as a bio-weapon? Explain it to me.

>>11453533
Most common viruses don't have that much RNA.

Countries have made more efforts to contain this virus than SARS (Especially China) so why covid19 is so contagious, do you know how it is transmitted from person to person? Is it possible that I can mutate to be more contagious?

>>11453551
>Most common viruses don't have that much RNA.
Jesus Christ, did you pass 9th grade?

>>11452515
>cherry-picking
The problem isn't just the deaths, it's permanent lung damage. If you suffer from a severe case (20% on infected people do), fibrosis will permanently reduce lung function, paving the way for other health issues.
Also, 20% of people need hospitalization. If you don't think that's a problem, you have no idea how badly hospitals are overbooked already.

>>11453115
kek, says the literal schizo.
>one old woman survived so it's nothing
Please rid yourself off of this board.

>>11453569
This is how viruses work:

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>>11453590
>>11453597
There's literally just a difference. Wow. You're insane

>>11453569
>>11453590
>>11453597
You can see (HE), this chemical is designed only on labs, not viruses. Which means...

>>11453601
its a protein and it is naturally occurring

>>11453609
Yes, it's a protien but this type of (HE) is different, it's full of Heboa, which isn't natural.

>>11453635
>Heboa
What is that?

>>11453736
Heboa is the chemical that makes cells have a lot of energy and a lot of power. It's a mysterious chemical, not many know about it.

>>11453752
>Heboa is the chemical that makes cells have a lot of energy and a lot of power. It's a mysterious chemical, not many know about it.
Heboa doesn't exist you delusional moron.

>>11453761
>Heboa doesn't exist you delusional moron.

>>11453761
fuck you you hoosier, go pick up another carton of marlboros and drink another budweiser you piece of fucking garbage

>>11453764
>>11453763
>cringe ad hominem
There's no evidence that 'Heboa' exists, what's it made off?

>>11453770
>There's no evidence that 'Heboa' exists, what's it made off?
Here: Heboa is a protein, it has the same function as the protein in (HE) but has proven to be much more stronger, and not found in any virus yet. It has been injected into bats. It has been found in some labs before the COVID-19 outbreak.
Surprisingly, the video has been deleted, it was a guy showing the Heboa chemical... Pretty suspicious. Don't you think?

>>11453786
>Here: Heboa is a protein, it has the same function as the protein in (HE) but has proven to be much more stronger, and not found in any virus yet. It has been injected into bats. It has been found in some labs before the COVID-19 outbreak.
Surprisingly, the video has been deleted, it was a guy showing the Heboa chemical... Pretty suspicious. Don't you think?
You had to a lot of mental gymnastics. Wow!

>>11453789
Correction:
>Here: Heboa is a protein, it has the same function as the protein in (HE) but has proven to be much more stronger, and not found in any virus yet. It has been injected into bats. It has been found in some labs before the COVID-19 outbreak.
>Surprisingly, the video has been deleted, it was a guy showing the Heboa chemical... Pretty suspicious. Don't you think?
You had to a lot of mental gymnastics. Wow!

>>11453789
>You had to a lot of mental gymnastics. Wow!

>>11453794
You literally trust a news source with no evidence. How can I take you seriously?

>>11453807
>You literally trust a news source with no evidence. How can I take you seriously?

>>11453807
Thanks for showing me your face, too.

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>>11453472
OH YEAH MIGA 2020 IM A MAGAPEDE MAGA !

>>11453814
>>/sci/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=Amerimutt.jpg&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

>>11453814
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>>11453824
>>11453821
waroso.com should banned from coming up in 4chan.

>>11453838
>waroso.com should banned from coming up in 4chan.

This outbreak was predicted:

>>11453843

>>11452494

This outbreak was predicted

>>11453812

>>11453857
Tell that to this idiot
>>11452515
He/She still won't shut the fuck up about how the Coronavirus isn't false.
Hell, I replied civilly, then he/she attacked >>11452891
Now he's/she's playing victimhood and how 'mean' I am.

>>11453872
Tell that to this idiot
>>11452515
He/She still won't shut the fuck up about how the Coronavirus isn't false.
Hell, I replied civilly >>11452891 then he/she attacked >>11452937
Now he's/she's playing victimhood and how 'mean' I am.

>>11453875
Correction... again (I'm tired)
>>11453872
Tell that to this idiot
>>11452515
He/She still won't shut the fuck up about how the Coronavirus is false*
Hell, I replied civilly >>11452891 then he/she attacked >>11452937
Now he's/she's playing victimhood and how 'mean' I am.

>>11453857
CORRECTION, AGAIN (Sorry if this counts as spam, I swear this is the last time)
Tell that to this idiot
>>11452515
He/She still won't shut the fuck up about how the Coronavirus is false*
Hell, I replied civilly >>11452891 then he/she attacked >>11452937
Now he's/she's playing victimhood and how 'mean' I am.

>>11453872
>>11453875
>>11453887
>>11453892
You're not just tired, you're retarded too.

>>11453887
Omg when will all of this be happening

>>11453902

>>11452494
I think the best solution would be to kill anyone who has the Coronavirus. Psychopathy FTW!

>>11453983
>Psychopathy FTW!
Cringe, Coronavirus is also genetic

>>11453983
NOOOOOOOO

>>11453994
>Cringe, Coronavirus is also genetic
Genetic? You're retarded, can't wait for your grandma to die soon.

>>11453996
>NOOOOOOOO
kill yourself, literally.

Unless the virus is like a sleeper cell that was will activate and start killing everyone in a few months, there is no need to worry imo. The elderly die routinely from run of the mill infections and there will always be rare and isolated cases of younger folks dying from freak complications.

>>11454007
>IUnless the virus is like a sleeper cell that was will activate and start killing everyone in a few months, there is no need to worry imo. The elderly die routinely from run of the mill infections and there will always be rare and isolated cases of younger folks dying from freak complications.
Many scientists are starting to believe that it will have an effect on the world economy.

>>11454025
>Many scientists are starting to believe that it will have an effect on the world economy.
Why are scientists doing something that's not along with their profession?

Why are all the nothingburgerers begin so hostile and dismissive about something that has already killed thousands of people and is reasonably expected to kill many more, becoming an epidemic in every country that fails to completely contain it? I genuinely don't understand the motivations behind such animosity.

>>11454066
>Why are scientists doing something that's not along with their profession?
Economy is a part of science.

>>11454077
>nothingburgers
what about me? im the only 'nothingburger' that actually believes the world will hugely affected by the coronavirus.
Here are my posts:
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>>11453907
All of these are my posts.

>>11454077
>>11454095
if you want something done, vote for Trump.

>>11454095
>im the only 'nothingburger' that actually believes the world will hugely affected by the coronavirus
You're contradicting yourself in that case: that the coronavirus will be significantly impactful or that the coronavirus is a nothingburger are mutually exclusive.

>>11454110
how did I contridact myself? The coronavirus will be impactful.

>>11454078
>Economy is a part of science
okay then

>>11454119
I don't think I could've been any clearer dude...

>The coronavirus will be impactful
>The coronavirus is a nothingbuger
Pick one.

>>11454095
>>11454097
go fuck yourself ape fucker nigger retard dumb shit filthy subcreature bitch, you trash of garbage of worthlessness

>>11454127
I pick this:
>The coronavirus will be impactful

>>11454133

>>11454136
What the fuck is wrong with your brain?
He meant this:
>Impactful Coronavirus
>Nothingburger
Pick one

>>11454157
I'm a NOTHINGBURGER, that believes in the CORONAVIRUS. How fucking retarded can you both be?

>>11454157
Ignore this retard >>11454160
I tried talking to him but he's too retarded to process anything.

>>11452494
Death rate in Italy is 5% tho

>>11454164
>Ignore this retard, I tried talking to him but he's too retarded to process anything.

>>11454169
Yes, but not for the immigrants. interesting..

>>11454170
triggered

>>11454202

>>11452494
lol that frog face, what'd ya all think?

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>>11454202
RESPOND TO ME, THAT FROG FACE IS CUTE WHAT DO YOU THINK?????????

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>>11453907
IS THE FROG CUTE OR NAH OMG

>>11453374
that anon is gay but you found a way to be even gayer.
>4channel
>intellectual
lmfao log off faggot

came here to find actual information and just found people arguing over nothing

What is the structure of the virus? What makes it so strong, can anyone explain?

>>11455641
OP, why don't study it yourself fag?

>>11455653
dude, this guy >>11454956 wished he had actual info from this thread, so I'm trying to make it a place of learning. also, you're the reason why this thread is retarded.

>>11455653
>dude, this guy >>11454956 wished he had actual info from this thread, so I'm trying to make it a place of learning. also, you're the reason why this thread is retarded.

>>11455662
he's right, you just attack OP

>>11455666
>he's right, you just attack OP

>>11455689
>>11455662
>>11454229
ok then, tell me, whats this Heboa?

>>11455714
This Heboa is a protein, that's made to give more energy. and make the virus more stronger in ways. It's been given to the virus.

>>11455716
ok then, how do you think can we decrease the chances of the virus being spread? like scientific ways, not political ones. i believe heating the environment would grant scientists more time to make a cure.

>>11455719
>ok then, how do you think can we decrease the chances of the virus being spread? like scientific ways, not political ones. i believe heating the environment would grant scientists more time to make a cure.
heating the environment just makes stuff worse.

>>11455726
>heating the environment just makes stuff worse.
And how? most viruses are bad at either really cold temperature or really hot temperature. either, way it should be an extreme. we could just heat the environment up to 39 celsius degrees.

>>11455730
>And how? most viruses are bad at either really cold temperature or really hot temperature. either, way it should be an extreme. we could just heat the environment up to 39 celsius degrees.
not really, most children would die in a 38 degrees celsuis, so would elders.

>>11455734
>not really, most children would die in a 38 degrees celsuis, so would elders.
well, I don't see children dying in Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt or any of those hot countries.

>>11453190
Ahh yes there's absolutely no mass panic now, that's why people are getting into knife fights over tiller paper

>>11455741
>well, I don't see children dying in Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt or any of those hot countries.
have you learnt evolution? they EVOLVED to be immune, in other countries, they have not evolved, thus be more likely to die from heat.

>>11455753
>have you learnt evolution? they EVOLVED to be immune, in other countries, they have not evolved, thus be more likely to die from heat.
Just because they evolved doesn't mean that other countries wouldn't survive.

>>11455752
that is panic, not mass panic
that is isolated
mas panic is what I would call when it gets upgraded to a pandemic, and the government needs to institute new plans that are less then freedom loving to combat it, instead of a few stores having these problems, we will have these problems nationwide, possibly world wide, and when the stores don't have things once its nationwide, it will go from panic to hysteria

keep in mind, its going to get worse.

>>11455641
It looks like sars

>>11452494
>Just because they evolved doesn't mean that other countries wouldn't survive.
i said they would be more LIKELY to die. not to mention, that coronavirus was created by ((them)) trying to get rid of white people, heat won't crap. homeostasis

>>11455807
>i said they would be more LIKELY to die. not to mention, that coronavirus was created by ((them)) trying to get rid of white people, heat won't crap. homeostasis
homeastasis is a process by the brain that reacts to differences to the environment, viruses don't have a way to cool down so they die. that's the point of heat, even the coronavirus will die to due heat.

>>11455833
>homeastasis is a process by the brain that reacts to differences to the environment, viruses don't have a way to cool down so they die. that's the point of heat, even the coronavirus will die to due heat.
the coronavirus can die to heat, but homeostasis is irrelevant, as humans could also die towards heat. this is ((they)) did all of that.

>>11455842
>the coronavirus can die to heat, but homeostasis is irrelevant, as humans could also die towards heat. this is ((they)) did all of that.
no, homeostasis is relevant dummy, we could increase homeostasis activity.

Does the virus actually build up into your lungs like glue, totally sealing it shot from the bottom to the top over a period of time?

Apparently even the mild cases in China were bedridden, pneumonia, felt like they we're going to die for 2 weeks straight irreversible lung damage, etc.

if it's spreading this easily the chances of everyone getting it are so high it's stupid. Many herd immunity will save the day, because one things for certain the US healthcare system certainly won't.

Simple question:

Is covid-19 engineered?

>>11455862
i believe it makes your immune system go overdrive, unleashing a white blood cell flood into your lungs, the white blood cells targets normal cells worsening the health of the infected. this is what happens.
ok? thx - Post from OP

>>11455846
>no, homeostasis is relevant dummy, we could increase homeostasis activity.
source pls
>>11455994
i believe it makes your immune system go overdrive, unleashing a white blood cell flood into your lungs, the white blood cells targets normal cells worsening the health of the infected. this is what happens.
you forget to mention that it's more likely to target white people, hmm wonder how?

>>11456003
>source pls
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4669363/

>>11455941
Yes, it has something called 'Heboa'.
Read:
>>11453786

>>11455941
He seems to think so.

>>11456012
the futher the days go, the further the ((secrets)) are revealed

>>11456003
Where are you getting that? It's hitting Asians pretty hard, Italians. Doesn't seem to be racial at all.

>>11456027

>>11453455
Retard

>>11456008
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4669363/
all that did is explain homeostasis. thanks for wasting my time, asshole

>>11456035
>retard
retarded retard

>>11456039
>all that did is explain homeostasis. thanks for wasting my time, asshole
anyways, you get the point, heat helps decrease the spread

How likely is it to have the virus without fever but with most other symptoms?

>>11456045
pretty high actually, many americans have had the coronavirus without noticing.

>>11456043
>anyways, you get the point, heat helps decrease the spread
are you fucking gay? Iran is hot as fuck yet it has the coronavirus too.

>>11456050
Yeah but those people also had no other symptoms

>>11456052
>are you fucking gay? Iran is hot as fuck yet it has the coronavirus too.
>hot as fuck
yeah, pretty hot ngl

>>11456059
ok now it gets low

How much permanent damage does COVID cause?

>>11452494
hi

>>11456067
>yeah, pretty hot ngl
is this better?

>>11456078
well 7, or basically, it damages your lungs hard to the point where you'll find it a bit harder to breathe

>>11456087
oh hi there

>>11456096
do you like the coronavirus?

>>11456101
no!

>>11456093
that's the false image, journalist

>>11456111
ok

>>11452494
Space weather fag here, there have been some papers dealing with cosmic rays and mutations that have been published in recent years:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20624059

https://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/115/03/0382.pdf

https://www.longdom.org/open-access/electron-flux-and-cosmic-ray-anomaly-before-hn-outbreak-2332-2594-2-113.pdf

According to darwins theory is survival of the fittest bit I reckon he thought (for the time) we lived in a closed system and he didn't have a clue about space weather. What do you guys/girls reckon ?

>>11456115
ok

>>11456124
bye

>>11456140
bye

>>11456116
Isn't space weather the main culprit for the supposed "climate change"? Apparently humans make little difference compared to the Earth's carbon output and even less compared to space weather and the sun specifically.


It's entirely possible for space weather to affect more than just the climate if you ask me. How much though is an interesting question to ask

i had it, it's just like a flu unless you're a boomer

>>11456330
Had it? Prove it liar

>>11456341
*cough*

>>11456350
*uses the coronavirus detecter* lemme see

I was hoping for total apocalypse and reshaping of world order but all we get is some stock crash and a meme virus. Fuckk this world

>>11456374
well, it's reshaping the world. but not for us, for ((them))

>>11456318
Yes, humans impact on the environment is really nothing compared to getting hit by a large asteroid/comet/bolide or a mega volcano going nuclear.

>>11453518
it ended up being irrelevant because it was taken seriously and put to a stop. also, it was much easier to stop it.

Do masks help prevent getting it? If not, why not

I stand by my original post. (pic)

The reported 3% death rate is bullshit.

When extensive testing is conducted, the death rate falls to levels similar to those of the common flu (0.1% corona death rate in Germany).
Mostly elderly people and those with underlying health conditions are seriously affected, most of the infected are asymptomatic, which again is consistent with a low death rate. Most people with mild cases aren't going to the doctor.

The entire thing is a repeat of the 2009 Swine Flu panic which started with a reported 7% death rate. The real rate ended up being less than 0.09%, which means Swine Flu ended up being less dangerous than the common flu.

I hope all the financial bears, shill journalists and panic-prone hack doctors and epidemiologists are sued into poverty for destroying the world economy.

A lot of doctors prefer to err on the side of "better safe than sorry", bit crying wolf over every new virus is a terrible policy because one day we are gonna get a real world killer pandemic (ie. a rogue MARV strain) and nobody will listen to the WHO because of the 2009 and 2020 fiascos.

>>11456918
More than 4k people have died to something that is socially transmissive and therefore entirely avoidable. Given the failure of complete containment, this figure is expected to rise as the virus continues to spread across the globe.
>I hope all the financial bears, shill journalists and panic-prone hack doctors and epidemiologists are sued into poverty for destroying the world economy
And I hope the downplaying conformists who care more about the portfolios of financial speculators - and whose first response was to smear those concerned as alarmists and fear-mongers - similarly suffer. Every single death after late December was avoidable, but depended on the pro-activity of politicians. It is very easy, in early March, to say that we did well in hindsight given that the fatality rate is so low, but this was less clear a a month or two ago in a quickly-moving situation. If this had been the real "world killer pandemic" we'd all be fucked right now as no single country seems to have contained it. This should stand as a lesson for more decisive action next time, but instead people like yourself use it as another opportunity to bash reactive policies and those that were even a little concerned in the first place. Unbelievable.

>>11456872
they surely help as they stop droplets, but they are not perfect

>>11456982
If the starting death rate was 3% (swine flu was 7%) then it was evident the rate was gonna drop once better methods to detect the virus were available. "Better safe than sorry" is not a good excuse, there should be better methods to assess the real lethality of a disease before throwing the world into a panic.

More people are going to die from the economic distress caused by the panic (recessions kill people) than from the coronavirus, but those deaths are not as easily quantifiable.

As of today you still more likely to get struck by lightning (6000 deaths a year) than to die from coronavirus.

What's the safest place in the world right now?

>>11457014
Rockall

>>11457014
Greenland

What's Korea deal? Did they get a weaker strain of ncov-19 wrt Italy?
I'm amazed by their report:
https://www.cdc.go.kr/board/board.es?mid=&bid=0030
Also, is there a particular reason why the age of most infected people is 20-29? Does it have to do with the average age in the nefarious cult?

>>11457013
>you still more likely to get struck by lightning (6000 deaths a year)
I refuted this point last month, I wonder if you're the same anon. 4k dead/3 months is emphatically a higher rate than 6k dead/12 months. And, again, this rate is bound to increase significantly in the months ahead. It's interesting though that in the same post you advocate for diligence and better assessment procedures to avoid misinformation and speculation, you also shit out highly speculative estimates as though they are gospel. The figure you gave is THREE TIMES HIGHER than the lower estimate made by NatGeo. Why you being so alarmist about lightning strikes?

>people are going to die from the economic distress
Stop panicking, anon. Your concerns about the economy amount to fear mongering and will do more harm than good. We should wait a few months until economists can produce highly accurate predictive models for the prospective economic implications before raising alarm or acting. If anything, their forecasts will be too pessimistic because a bunch of panic-prone hack speculators like yourself are shilling a a literal nothingburger recession and hampering consumer and investor confidence. The economy is fine.

>>11457045
I suppose it has to do with those people being more active and sociable.

>>11452924
No antibiotics? Really?

>>11456918
do 10% of people require icu with a simple flu?

>>11452924
>questions?
Ok.
Which specific corticosteroids and antibiotics, if any, do you use (ignoring allergy considerations, etc.)? And what, specifically, are you having to do to maintain vitals?
Do you administer any other drugs, or are there and dietary changes?
Can you provide numerical data on the no. patients and their symptoms?
Lastly, are you in a position to prescribe supplementary vitamin C to a statistically significant no. of patients and monitor how this effects their morbidity and recoveries? I only ask because there was an interesting thread yesterday evidencing its effectiveness.

Danish medfag here

>Friday bar at med school
>one (1) corona positive fucker decides to party at bar from 1 PM - 9 PM
>news broke out earlier today
>350 med students in 2 weeks imposed quarantine
>I'm one of them

At least I won't have excuses to not study anymore

>>11456318

>Isn't space weather the main culprit for the supposed "climate change"?

Nope, but its a common climate science denial myth.

The good thing about these massive amounts of asymptotic carriers is that this means the virus’s death rate should be considerably lower than we think. We know how many people died from the virus, but we have no idea how many people actually have it.

>>11457379
>asymptotic
I MEAN ASYMPTOMATIC ffs

>>11453299
>give me respect!

>>11457379
>asymptotic carriers
>massive amounts
Anon, we both know there are almost none of these

>>11452494
>>11457400
>there are almost none asymptomatic carriers
Close to all of the passengers aboard the cruiseship Diamond Princess has been tested, thus giving very good indications for various properties.

Tested: 3618
Confirmed cases: 696
Asymptomatic cases: 410
Dead: 7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_on_cruise_ships#Diamond_Princess

Indicates that [math]\approx 59[/math]% of cases are asymptomatic and a mortality rate [math]R \approx 1[/math]%. With this information we can estimate a lower bound for the number of infected world wide. Let [math]I_a[/math] be the acutal number of infected world wide, [math]I_r[/math] the number of reported infected, [math]D_a[/math] be actual number of dead and [math]D_r[/math] the reported number of dead. This means
[eqn]
R = \frac{D_a}{I_a}
[/eqn]
and
[eqn]
k = \frac{D_r}{D_a} \iff D_a = \frac{D_r}{k}
[/eqn]
for some [math]0 < k < 1[/math]. Substituting into the first equation gives
[eqn]
R = \frac{\left( \frac{D_r}{k} \right) }{I_a} \iff I_a = \frac{D_r}{Rk}
[/eqn]
Right now we have [math]D_r > 4200[/math], thus
[eqn]
I_a > \frac{4200}{0.01k} = \frac{420000}{k} > 420000.
[/eqn]

>>11457679
Appending.

The median time from emergence of symptoms to death for those that die is 14 days (with range 6-41 days) [https://doi.org/10.1002/jmv.25689]. Thus this estimate reflects the number of infected 14+ days ago (there might be some delay in recording a death).

>>11457679
t. doesn't know how to read

>>11457784
How so?

>>11457796
>asymptotic carriers

>>11457810
Lmao! It's true, I didn't see that

>>11457810
kek

>>11456918
>Swine Flu panic which started with a reported 7% death rate
Do you have a source for this brother

OK, this thread is a more retarded and unreadable bunch of incoherent crap than anything I've ever seen on /pol/, and that's saying a lot.

>>11457897
You're welcome!

>>11457045

most infected age group is 45-64

here are lots of data on Italy outbreak
https://twitter.com/emmevilla

>>11457897
well, don't blame me, blame this fag
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>>11458058
where is this post anon: >>11456113
oh wait...

>>11456918
>0.1% corona death rate in Germany
Germany has an unusually low rate. Also lots of critical patents might still die.

>>11458254
all the current death rates are inflated because the majority of people who get sick are not going to doctors.
also, an unrelated question to anyone in this thread who might know more: why is Africa completely fine? Is warm climate a countermeasure against covid?

>>11458265
>is warm climate a countermeasure against covid?
According to the lead virologist in Germany the answer is no

>>11458254
germany also has an incredibly low critical cases rate (9/1545), almost as if they were lying

>>11458272
Or maybe the people who spread it in Germany weren’t a buncha geriatrics in nursing homes

>>11458272
>>11458254

I heard a possible explanation: Germany isnt counting people who die and then are found to be corona positive after the fact.

Not sure if that is true, but its a possible way death could be counted differently.

>>11458272
The numbers might not be accurate any more
>>11458295
Yeah, I don't think we have been testing deceased people. They either go into the flu list or simply in the unspecific "death by virus" one.

>>11458289
do you care to specify what age group you mean by that? any evidence of your claim?
>>11458295
what about the grossly out of line serious/crit cases?

>>11458305
>what about the grossly out of line serious/crit cases?

Good point. Cant explain that.

>>11457810
Explain for a mathlet

>>11458270
UV light from the sun kills the virus in the open. There's no going around that.

>>11456003
Really? Can we contain that shit with prednisone and antibiotics?

Internet = Distrust the experts, but you can trust them if they say the virus is going to be really bad.


I can't take the people on leddit seriously crying about how this thing is going to kill everyone.

>>11457679
I dont care about the virus because I have other shit to do but aren't "they" using those passengers like guinea pigs?
I mean...are you kidding me? 7? Is this the might of science and medicine?

>>11457888
Webmd actually claimed it was higher than that https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20091103/h1n1-swine-flu-deadly-in-all-age-groups#1

If someone give the world wide cumulative number of infections and deaths (for example from WHO situation reports) in this format

2020-01-21 6
2020-01-22 6
2020-01-23 17
2020-01-24 25
2020-01-25 41
2020-01-26 56
2020-01-27 80
2020-01-28 106
2020-01-29 132
2020-01-30 170
2020-01-31 213
2020-02-01 259
2020-02-02 304
2020-02-03 361
2020-02-04 425
2020-02-05 491
2020-02-06 564
2020-02-07 637
2020-02-08 723
2020-02-09 812
2020-02-10 909
2020-02-11 1017
2020-02-12 1114
2020-02-13 1368
2020-02-14 1381
2020-02-15 1524
2020-02-16 1666
2020-02-17 1772
2020-02-18 1870
2020-02-19 2006
2020-02-20 2121
2020-02-21 2239
2020-02-22 2348
2020-02-23 2445
2020-02-24 2595
2020-02-25 2666
2020-02-26 2718
2020-02-27 2747
2020-02-28 2791
2020-02-29 2838
2020-03-01 2873
2020-03-02 2915
2020-03-03 2946
2020-03-04 2984
2020-03-05 3015
2020-03-06 3045
2020-03-07 3073
2020-03-08 3100
2020-03-09 3123
2020-03-10 3140

then I'll post this plot back. I looked through all these reports and I don't want to do it again. The numbers here are for mainland china.

2020-01-21 209
2020-01-22 309
2020-01-23 571
2020-01-24 830
2020-01-25 1297
2020-01-26 1985
2020-01-27 2741
2020-01-28 4537
2020-01-29 5997
2020-01-30 7736
2020-01-31 9720
2020-02-01 11821
2020-02-02 14411
2020-02-03 17238
2020-02-04 20471
2020-02-05 24363
2020-02-06 28060
2020-02-07 31211
2020-02-08 34598
2020-02-09 37251
2020-02-10 40235
2020-02-11 42708
2020-02-12 44730
2020-02-13 46550
2020-02-14 48548
2020-02-15 50054
2020-02-16 51174
2020-02-17 70635
2020-02-18 72538
2020-02-19 74280
2020-02-20 74675
2020-02-21 75569
2020-02-22 76392
2020-02-23 77042
2020-02-24 77262
2020-02-25 77780
2020-02-26 78191
2020-02-27 78630
2020-02-28 78961
2020-02-29 79394
2020-03-01 79968
2020-03-02 80174
2020-03-03 80304
2020-03-04 80422
2020-03-05 80565
2020-03-06 80711
2020-03-07 80813
2020-03-08 80859
2020-03-09 80904
2020-03-10 80924

What k do you want? I am using 0.9 right now.

>>11452924
Steroids bad idea chief.

>>11456374
>>11456918
Very well said, I agree it's over blown but of course any sort of outbreak should always be taken with precaution since its new.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20008700

>>11456918
>When extensive testing is conducted, the death rate falls to levels similar to those of the common flu
You're comparing apples to oranges. The flu's death rate is not calculated through extensive testing either, it's calculated through people who seek medical treatment and are diagnosed. The flu's actual death rate is substantially lower than the 0.1% figure, for the same reason why you point out COVID-19's death rate is substantially lower than what is visible.

The comparison still stands. COVID-19 is still at least an order of magnitude more deadly than the flu, at bare minimum.

>>11458517
>it's calculated through people who seek medical treatment and are diagnosed
Wrong. https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/66/10/1511/4682599

>>11453374
>sub

>>11454077
because they are scared

tfw I really do want to self quarantine till this is all over but work says they'll fire me of I do the bills can't be ignored even if there's a global pandemic going on

I'm 22 so quitting my job doesn't change much but still, what does it take for these guys to give people a break?

So is this legit?

>>11458844
>fearmongering article
No

is there any reason I can't make my own hand sanitizer by putting rubbing alcohol in a small travel sized spray bottle?

>>11458854
What about the whole hides in your nervous system looks like AIDS shuts off your brain from automatically breathing shit?

Between how easily it spreads and what we've heard and seen from Chinese cases, that article almost seems legit.

>>11458844
Yes anon, COVID-19 is basically HIV-flu-herpes with some ebola sprinkled in.

>>11458844
>the virus invades the nerves just like HSV despite having a completely different method of replication and the other type of envelope
No.

>>11458854
>>11458860
>>11458864
Are you really sure though? I'm starting to have panic attacks reading that and pic related.

>>11458844
No. Most of that is pseudoscience and misinformation. His claim about 100% spinal cord death makes absolutely zero sense unless it's a typo. Trust medical professionals, not bloggers

>>11458872
I am 100% sure that guy is completely retarded and has no idea what he's talking about and I'm just a med student with a passing interest in virology. None of his claims stack up with the stats coming out about this in respected journals or even basic microbiology or path.

I'll be taking a cross country flight to return to my family (including high risk people).
Am I correct in assuming the airport and plane will be high risk spots for catching it? Or do they filter the air or something..
I plan to wear safety goggles + a respirator like pic.
Can you reuse this filters for awhile as long as you sanitize the mask correctly when doffing?

>>11458881
>>11458873
I want to believe you, I really do. I'm having constant panic attacks and crying fits. I don't want to die.

I really want to accept it's just typical /pol/ LARPing and fear mongering but I'm starting to get really scared.

>>11458897
The three highest risk occupations to contract the corona virus are:

Medical practitioner
Grocery store worker
Airport worker

So yes, it's going to be high risk going to an airport.

>>11458898
What's actually concerning you about it? If you're legitimately having panic attacks, just tune out for like two months or so.

>>11458903
>What's actually concerning you about it?
The thought that if I get this, it's guaranteed death eventually. This whole time I've been fine and happy thinking it wasn't high risk for people under 60 but now seeing that it's 100% mortality rate, I'm freaking out. Just constant anxiety.

>>11458901
Okay, then I'll go ahead with my goggles, respirator, and disinfectant wipes.
From what I've read that should be very good level of protection.
I hope the TSA doesn't fuck with my respirator.

>news and know-it-alls online all keep saying how masks aren't very good or basically useless for average person and you shouldn't bother buying or using them
>meanwhile there's evidence of their efficacy in wuhan and they want them for medical practitioners
I don't get it, is it just basic disinfo to stop people from panic buying or something?

>>11458905
>it's guaranteed death eventually
You're going to die eventually regardless though. There is a probability that you currently have viruses that could end up giving you PML or hemorrhagic cystitis if your immune system shit the bed, but it hasn't. On the other hand, you're concerned about the possibility that a new respiratory virus might reinfect you despite all evidence pointing to the contrary because of a blog post. I hope that helps to put things into perspective.

>>11452494

It's a pandemic, it's been a pandemic for a few weeks already.

>>11458923
But what about all these cases of people suddenly being reinfected out of nowhere? I keep thinking that has to at least partially prove it. Is it just bullshit built on misinterpretations of what's happening? Am I just getting played by some faggot laughing it up that their fear mongering managed to put someone in this state?

>>11458923
Thanks anon. I just get carried away reading the articles and everything about how it does this and that and when I read pics like those I can't help but feel like they're true.

I mean there are actual videos out there if people just dropping dead. Apparently instant comas are a thing with this virus. Where can I get reliable information? Government officials aren't a reliable source of information.

>>11458926
>Is it just bullshit built on misinterpretations of what's happening
All evidence would point to that being the case.
>Am I just getting played by some faggot laughing it up that their fear mongering managed to put someone in this state?
I don't like /ptg/ but considering it took him all of two sentences to start talking about Trump, I would say that would be a feasible interpretation.

>>11458932
>Where can I get reliable information
Healthcare providers would probably be your best bet. I'm doing what I can to stay on top of the literature coming out on this and I'd imagine a sizeable number of my peers are as well. We do this for a living, after all.

>>11458940
So, in your professional opinion, the stuff stated in those two images is without a doubt bullshit being peddled to scare people?

>>11458237
Fuck off peepeepoo

>>11458947
fuck off dungus

>>11458942
The first, yes. In the second the white is discrediting the claims in the blue with actual evidence and professional opinions.

>>11458949
retard, you're gonna be called cockopoo

>>11458950
So the links used in the second one to "prove" the conspiracy theory actually debunk it?

>>11458954
>retard, you're gonna be called cockopoo
ok dungus, i was gonna reply to you, but my post got deleted. you started calling me peepeepoo. but replied to your self, fail.

>>11458949
>>11458950
>>11458954
>>11458956
so let me get this straight, the guy who believes in the covid-19: dungus
the guy who doesn't believe in the covid-19: cockopoopoo

>>11458955
Mostly, yes. Some are saying claims are indeterminate based off of current evidence. If you're not used to scientific literature I can see how it might be misleading. If it was intended to support the claims, the author certainly isn't.

>>11458956
>ok dungus, i was gonna reply to you, but my post got deleted. you started calling me peepeepoo. but replied to your self, fail.
stop lying dungus, get out of the basement dungus!

>>11458964
>stop lying dungus, get out of the basement dungus!

>>11458961
half and half, im the smart guy, the other guy is cockopoopoo, so you're incorrect on the first but correct on the second half

>>11458972
>>11458966
>cringe wojak meme
>cringe self-praise
dungus, try to stop being retarded,

>>11458973
>dungus, try to stop being retarded,

>>11458963
Thank you for providing the information and talking to me about it, anon. I feel a bit better though I'm sure I'll just relapse and have another panic attack or severe anxiety later when thinking about possibly guaranteed death again.

What's the deal with this 'reinfection'?
Normally one would say that the immune system will have encountered it once already and bring in antibodies to make it a nonissue.

So why the reinfection? Does the immune system never build up a resistance? Is it mutating? Or are the tests to detect it not foolproof?

>>11459031
>Or are the tests to detect it not foolproof
Most likely.
>Is it mutating
Yes but the odds of it affecting immunity are very slim.
>Does the immune system never build up a resistance
Basically impossible, otherwise the infection would never clear to begin with.

So this thing takes like a month to get over right?
That's the worrisome thing, how long it'll take. If it was the flu and just a week we'd be fine, but even 20% of the country out sick with this for a full month is going to cause trouble.

My estimates by the method outlined in these posts
>>11457679
>>11457779
yields that there was at least 477,333 global cases by February 27.

My estimates by the method outlined in these posts
>>11457679
>>11457779
yields that there was at least 429,600 global cases by February 27.

>>11458322
asymptomatic means having no symptoms, ie. related to coronavirus

asymptotic means a graph with a function coming closer and closer to zero but never actually reaching zero

So if the carriers were asymptotic like the first op mistakenly wrote there would be "almost none" of them. The joke is now dead

>>11458881
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32104915

>>11458401
no one on plebbit is saying the coronavirus will kill anyone, in fact the opposite.

>>11458918
Yes

>>11459211
>asymptotes only approach zero

>>11459358
are you retarded? Go to /r/coronavirus

The fuck is wrong with germans, bros. They are literally considering 2/3 of the population getting infected to be an option of getting rid of the virus once and for all.

>>11457073
Not until the cultures come back
Lol
Idk
I'm jus a scribe. I do the docs charts and he does all the meds

>>11459211
have you taken a calculus class?

>>11453524
Bullshit, the fear was the fact it was a hemmoragic fever with an extremely high death rate.

>>11453573
Source?

>doesnt exist

>>11454077
Friendly reminder that more people have died in traffic accidents in the last 24 hrs than Covid-19.

I do think this is a major health concern, but it is not the apocalypse and the reason people are being hostile is all the nonsense surrounding this

>muh reinfections
>muh encephalitis
>muh permanent lung damage

I mean look at Illinois we have community spread 50 miles from Chicago and have 2 people hospitalized outside of Chicago - ie. Clearly there are many more mild cases floating around and no one is dropping dead and hacking up blood

>>11459846
>being this ignorant

Traffic incidents don't crash a country's health sector and economy like it did with Italy.

>>11459216
The article is speculative and reinfection isn't the same thing as a relapse. Relapses are likely to be less severe than acute infection in immunocompetent individuals. The big takeaway if this is true is that treating with immunosuppressive therapy may worsen outcomes down the road. That being said I wouldn't really take 8% of people having a headache as evidence of neurological symptoms when everything else is pointing to viral pneumonia.

>>11453472
>I would have been okay if you linked me to /pol/ but your lack of knowledge, complaining about Trump thinking /pol/ hates him is absurd. Yes he does get hated, but that's due to shill threads. Ever heard of that? Trump was and will always trigger liberals in every direction and that's what makes him based.
I seriously hope this entire post is just bait but I don't know anymore.

>>11452494
People should start to call it ChinaVirus or XiJinpingVirus because that's who's repsonsible for this shit going global.

Not sure what to use for R/E here. I do think it is going to be lower than this for quite a while, but I don't want to overestimate. As we saw in China >>11460624, it stabilized as testing catched up. It might stabilize if testing capacity stabilize as well.

The data is now purely from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

>taking china's numbers in account for these statistics

quite simple guys

>young people dont really get affected although it is possible in rare cases
>however virus is contagious and spreads quickly and easily
>old people are very likely to get affected very very badly
>if too much spread of infection, lots of old people go to hospital at the same time
>huge strain on health services, not enough to save all these old people
>young people must also be prioritised if suffer the illness badly
>mortality COULD be 0.1% but instead is 4% because no one took this seriously enough
>in the UK (where i live) this basically amounts 1 million people (mostly old people) dying.
>really fucking bad for economy, also holy shit, that's a lot of people dying in one country, what the fuck
>now take into account every other country currently fighting virus
>uh oh

with social distancing and strict lockdown procedures we could get this down to 39,000 in the UK dying in theory but damn, a lot of old people (and others) are still going to die around the world.

you better be glad that most of our generation are going to survive but that doesn't make this any less horrific

>>11460740
>I PREDICTED THAT THE CASES IN CHINA WOULD MULTIPLY BY 1.2 YESTARDAY BUT CHINA CLAIMED THAT THE AMOUNT OF CASES MULTIPLIED BY 1.19, CHINA IS LYING TO US

>>11460659
Ironically, its not spreading in china much anymore and its going to stay that way.

China's going to ride this out like a champ while europe and the US get assraped by it, leaving it in a position to be the dominant economic and political power in the world for the next 10 years at least.

>>11460740
I am estimating the error in China's numbers and you're complaining and I am taking them too seriously?

Tick tock boomers, tick tock.

Does anyone know how to inoculate yourself against corona? Someone said its similar to HIV, so, if I got an HIV vaccine, would that stop corona?

>>11460844
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>>11460934
Not a chinese apologist, I'm pointing out that fascist methods are required to lock down a disease like this and europe and the US are buttfucked to actually do that well.

meanwhile, China doesn't give a shit if it welds people inside their own homes for basically all the reasons you gave, so they're going to have an easy time preventing it from spreading more or getting back into their country.

So the US and europe are going to get ravaged by this while china will get off relatively easy, and since china has an abundance of people won't really mind the losses of life that much (Fuck, decreasing their population is something they've been TRYING to do), so they'll be back on their feet business as usual in about a year, while its going to take much longer for the west to recover.

>>11460957
Upward economic mobility in the US has literally only occurred after massive losses of lives, I'd imagine the same is true of Europe though I'm not as educated in economic history there. Especially if boomers are disproportionately affected, as all indications point to, this will probably prevent social security from collapsing indefinitely and also open up more positions which younger people can fill and actually afford to start families off of. On the contrary, China's economic problems are mostly based off of their fraudulent construction industry and hyperinflated housing market and probably won't resolve without complete economic collapse since CCP officials and wealthy Chinese seem to be more concerned with buying foreign property to avoid the aftermath as opposed to regulating the market so millions don't end up starving to death or resorting to cannibalism in cities once the farmers start realizing the renminbi they've been trading for rice are now useless.

>>11461297
The upward mobility wasn't due to the massive loss of life in WW2, it was due to FDR taking absurdly radical (For the time) pro-populist steps (Such as creating things like government monetary aid to the populace and being pro union).

the loss of this is due to union breaking and pro business legislature, its not going to magically come back when boomers die.

>>11455833
So the cure is sitting in a sauna?

>>11461383
Upward mobility was probably greater after the Civil War than in the late 40s-50s and can't be explained by populist legislation since a sizeable proportion of the population was disenfranchised and forbidden from homesteading.

>>11460957
So they're red fascists? Shock!

>>11452515
>>11452891
you people got me banned, why? why ruin my thread? it was the longest day ever

>>11457679
good maths but diamond princess customers are a very bad representation of the average global person. Their age, diets, race, and everything else about them would be skewed. Either we have to assume the virus doesn't discriminate in age, gender, health, diet, race, etc... otherwise your estimate is just a big gamble.

>>11452494
look
>>11461856

>>11452494
jesus christ, that was an unreadable thread: >>/sci/thread/S11452494
good thing it was cleansed, so actual sane users argue.

>>11453440
>Fuck off dickhead, you evidenced absolutely no knowledge on the subject, have named a general after yourself, reply with no sensical reddit-tier "source" questions when people clearly provide sources. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
faggot, i didn't post anything. go fuck yourself
>Get back to your studies mate. Let the adults talk. Your threads are shit as fuck and a pox on this place.
faggot, i didn't post anything. go fuck yourself

>>11458898
Why is every cunt out there suddenly believing everything they read on the internet from armchair virologists popping up everywhere?

>>11462124
don't blame him, blame retarded brain function. it could really irrational at times and make people have irrational fear even if their fears are proven not worthy of attention or won't happen. let's just say there's a true reason to why germaphobes exist, or why phobias exist in general.

>>11452515

>tested
>not confirmed cases
>see! the death rate is low!

>>11452975
>>11453040

because there IS a viral outbreak but iran, china and italy have been hit with a bioweapon using the other virus as a cover.