/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11452839
your lack of IQ apparently

>>11452839
She's kind of hot. Post hips.

>>11452852
"IQ"

coffee is only good for u in moderate amounts

>>11452839
Scientist are getting poorer, Newton didn't have deadlines or fear of poverty.

>>11452839
>>11452869
saged

>>11452839
>"dark matter"
A placeholder for physical properties or particles we don't yet understand. It's not and never was intended to be literal
>"dark energy"
See above
>string theory with 13 dimensions
This shit is pretty retarded. Our understanding of quantum mechanics is still very primitive. String theory is just a hamfisted attempt to make out current (flawed) understanding of quantum mechanics fit with macro-physical mechanics
>"consciousness = neural computations", yet no one can simulate an actual AI in a computer
Neurons and transistors are not a 1/1 correlation. They are similar but neurons are vastly more complicated. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if at least one primitive government owned AI exists.
>differences between genders and races are "pseudoscience"
I agree, this shit is pants-on-head dumb and entirely ideologically motivated
>"big bang" which breaks the very basic notion of causality
It's the best we can do because we can only extrapolate to a few millionths of second after this event occurred. The event itself is currently beyond our ability to comprehend in any meaningful way.

Also, if the Universe is a closed system, which is looking increasingly likely, than a white-hole anti-singularity as the "big bang" would not violate causality, it would simply be one infinite density point in space-time before the shape of space-time changed.

Modern science is being hit very hard by diminishing returns. Basically, science is at the very edge of what can be feasibly theorized with our current level of technology. In order to perform actual, physical experiments in any meaningful sense you have to construct multi-billion dollar machines, or spend hundreds of millions launching shit into space, etc. It's simply too expensive and not yet worth the effort to explore what's currently open to exploration. So most scientists have to content themselves with being pure mathematical theorists working on endlessly complex calculations and equations.

>>11452926
you clearly drank too much coffee

>>11452869
>>11452894
>>11453042
Just answer the question you faggots

>>11452839
Everything real is censored.

>>11452839
Modern physics is full of placeholder "aethers" because somewhere along the way we screwed up. The thing is there's to much money at stake for the scientific community to say outloud "we screwed up" and start another line of experimentation with hopefully a better paradigm than what we have today. How much have LIGO or CERN cost/costed all these years? How would investors and such react if they said "yeah we didn't found what we were expecting and this was useless". They'd rather speak "yeah we found what we were looking for but we don't understand yet this specific observational evidence so we must put placeholders, give me more money for research".

>>11452839
>What is wrong with modern "science"?
Just ignore everything that does not have an experimental proof.
Even the stuff that has proof is iffy at best so always check on how and what is done to accomplish the result and the subjective nature of the authors of the paper/experiment.

>>11453070
whiny bitch

>>11454122
Pretty much this

>>11454122
I hate them though.

the shift happened when the apparatus of science shifted to circular referencing and grant farming, rather than a legitimate, heartfelt desire to better understand the universe with the help of rigorous, vigilant testing

unfortunately"scientist" is now le quirky lifestyle, rather than the passion of the best of man.
it also doesn't help that science has become a pseudo-religion. The ugly truth is that most people don't have the desire to be free thinkers, to challenge what they believe. They don't have time for that in between wage slaving, masturbating and consuming junk food. And since mysticism based religion has lost it's mainstream appeal, people need something else to latch onto and believe in undoubtedly.
People just cannot fathom the concept that nothing is as it appears, and that our perspective is flawed.
This phenomenon has pervaded our society, and slowly even our scientific community. People don't really care to check things anymore, if a study has the name of a prestigious institution plastered on it they believe it like the word of god. The problem is that scientific advancement is inherently incompatible with dogma and when you attempt to fuse the two concepts you acquire something that is dead in the water.
To build a sound foundation for the universe we think in axioms, which function similarly to dogmas, in the sense that we need to put our trust in them. Axiom, unlike dogma, is malleable.
As an atheist, I actually think that religion (as long as it does not have a role in governmental decision making) having more prevalence in society would actually be good for scientific advancement.
If people have a religion they can obsess and fawn over, they no longer need pseudo-'scientific' FACKTS to guide them, and science can continue forward unhindered.
>TL;DR
The "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE XDDD" mindset is what's challenging today's scientists. Our predecessors had their own challenges to deal with, as will our descendants, but this is Our fight.

>>11454639
Based

I know it sound totally nazi,
but I need to know avg. size of human head and face.

I need 3D model a mask and I just can't find statistics on avg. size of head compared to their job online, because somebody wanted to be moral.

>>11454984
Just go measure random women.

Protip:
>WHILE BEING ATTRACTIVE
If you skip this step, alchemical transaction will fail.

>>11452839
>>11452926
>>11454639
While i disagree with much of these anons sayings they nonetheless address the issue: The epistemological limitations of human beings.

Think about it. Human beings are apes. We experience the world in 3 dimensions, can only hold 7 digits in our head on average and can focus on 4 things simultaneously.

The material world is complicated, dynamic and always changing. It's literally a giant mess of processes at every level of ontology from physics, chemics, biology, psychology, sociology etc. which each domain having its own emergentic rules.

The fact that human beings have come this far in some sciences is IMO due to rationality. It is by rationality we sort the materiel world to simplified laws which we sometimes can emperically test within the limitations of our perception.

The problem here is the great limitations of our perception and cognition. Really if you look at a bug its obvious it doesn't know shit. Just because we have consciousness and language we are still incredibly limited.

The thing is continental philosophy (and good analytical philosophy) is the bet on rationality as main source of knowledge: The evaluation and creation of concepts through critical thinking. Empiricism is important but limited.

The good thing is however that we now know enough to minimize humanities suffering (technological advancement in medicine and biology, simple psychological and sociological truths and so on) and create a beautiful world. However this is a political struggle and the greatest struggle of science in the 21th century will be related to this.

>>11454639
>The "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE XDDD" mindset is what's challenging today's scientists.
I really hate them, especially for their lack of comprehension of basic scientific notions like argumentation, logic, fallacies and the fact that they lack any sort of critical thinking on the stuff they share.

>>11455030
>what last century had
>what we have right now
Holy shit thats depressing

>>11455030
How do you string ideas so well with such bad grammar?

Gold post, anyway.

>>11455278
There is no lack of comperehension, there is lack of explanation.

>>11455298
>there is lack of explanation
Well yeah, the education system has likely gone to shit, to the satisfaction of the political powers.

COFFEE IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU REEEEEEEE

>>11452839
Science got replaced with soience.

>>11455297
Thanks m8 english is not my first language

Bless u

>>11452926
>Mr. Rothschild? We have a leak.

>>11452926
>Our understanding of quantum mechanics is still very primitive.
brainlet

>>11454122
>>11454585
>>11454639
does anyone on this board actually know anything about science or are you all just autistic undergrads and /pol/arpers?

>>11455296
>left: most important physicists of the 20th century
>right: popsci hacks and one (1) literally-who cosmologist
>you: OMG DAE LE WRONG GENERATION???
you need to go back and stay back.

>>11452877
Abel had fear of poverty

>>11455418
I come on this board to ridicule scientists mostly. Okay I really want to just challenge the dogma that science has all the answers when it doesn't. Actually many of the things that pushed science forward like Astrology and Alchemy are based on spiritual ideas as much as science. We should bring back alchemy.

>>11455418
>complains about people they think are larping
>larps as a woman IRL

>>11452869
All of her tattoos signal "I'm dangerous".
>Rose (Has its thorns.)
>Spider, dangerous
So no grabbing her hips and harming her that way.
>Barbed wire
It is very interesting that this is on the right side, it's not covering the heart. Which means the physical body is the concern. Most people are right handed so she's concerned with being grabbed from behind? Perhaps is about self and not other, the barbed wire and spider we modify her dominant side. Armor and give it strength. The right hand gives, the left hand receives, thusthe web is placed on that which gives...

Handcuffer praying hands, slavery and unanswered prayers, no hope. HAnd has another spider on it, not sure if the hands are an extensive of her.

It's all very strange, her facial expression is unsettling. Not dead eyes, there's something else. She does remind me of a spider. The black widow.

It's so strange that we just see pictures like those posted randomly. You've posted it repeatedly as well. What's it all about?

>>11452839
big bang breaking the notion of causality isn't exactly special, any theory you can come up with breaks it when you look so far back that you don't know what happened before your first event

>>11452839
>differences between genders and races are "pseudoscience"
No scientist argues that there are 0 differences whatsoever between men and women, they just say that some differences are exacerbated by society, which you’d have to be retarded to disagree with.
As for race, what studies or books have you seen that make you think that race realism is scientifically based?

>>11455418
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T CRITICISE THE HEGEMONIC PARADIGM
go ad hominem somewhere else anon

>>11455423
are you retarded?

>>11454984
yikes, too much lip gloss

>>11456514
>As for race, what studies or books have you seen that make you think that race realism is scientifically based?
If you need a book to realize something so obvious, go ahead and pick anything by Richard Lynn.

>>11456522
No, but you are.

>>11456517
>YOU CAN'T CRITICISE THE HEGEMONIC PARADIGM
You (personally) literally can’t though because you don’t know anything about it

>>11456666
>thinks IQ is an accurate measurement of intelligence
>gives Subsaharan Africans western iq tests
>compares IQs of developing countries to developed countries
>ignores that black iqs are increasing
>thinks reproductive trends in developing countries will continue in developed countries because he has never even heard of the demographic transition model

>>11452839
>>"dark matter"
>>"dark energy"
I agree with these being questionable in the sense that they're not falsifiable but they're pretty blatantly theoretical placeholders.
>>string theory with 13 dimensions
String theory is not uncontroversial, and I'm not even sure support for it constitutes a majority of physicists
>>"consciousness = neural computations", yet no one can simulate an actual AI in a computer
Just because something is possible doesn't mean we are presently capable of it. This is also philosophically contentious
>>differences between genders and races are "pseudoscience"
This one is to stop retards from undermining liberal democracy because they have no understanding of ethics.
>>"big bang" which breaks the very basic notion of causality
There can't be any solution involving an ultimate starting point that doesn't break cause and effect. Not that it matters since time wouldn't even be meaningful within the singularity.

>>11456407
Bro shes hot, you’re overanalyzing. Tattoos are just a form of art

>>11456893
>having an understanding of ethics
>supporting liberal democracy
pick exactly one

>>11456778
>Nooooooo you cannot state obvious facts!!! Latin-american and African countries are shit while eastern Asian countries, the US and Europe are extremely developed for random reasons that have nothing to do with the genetic makeup and intelligence level of their populations!!!

>>11456998
>Nooooooo you cannot point out holes in studies!!! Latin-american and African countries are shit while eastern Asian countries, the US, and Europe are extremely developed for purely genetic reasons that have nothing to do with their geography, climate, or history!!! IQ is a perfectly accurate measurement of intelligence and the same tests can be used on any civilization with any level of development!!!!!!

>>11452839
>>"dark matter"
It's a possible explanation for existing data. No one is forbidding you of proposing a better alternative.
>>"dark energy"
It's a possible explanation for existing data. No one is forbidding you of proposing a better alternative.
>>string theory with 13 dimensions
String theory is shit and I have never met a physicist that actually defends it outside of pop-sci Michio Kaku level shows. You're right about this one.
>>"consciousness = neural computations", yet no one can simulate an actual AI in a computer
An actual AI would require an actual model of neurons, which we still don't have. Neural Network neurons != Human neurons, and no one but intellectually dishonest or double digit IQ fucks thinks otherwise.
>>differences between genders and races are "pseudoscience"
Babbys first conflict of interest. Some of them probably are pseudoscience, some of them may not be. If they made you look bad you'd probably want to forget them quickly.
>>"big bang" which breaks the very basic notion of causality
Are you implying causality is something nature has to give a fuck about? Prove it.
Causality is just something convenient to our monkey brains, so we tend to expect it. That's it. There is no absolute rule that requires causality to be a thing, that we know of.
Also the big bang doesn't have to break causality. The universe could be infinitely old and just have an infinitesimally low probability of "banging".

>>11457069
>Latin-american and African countries are shit while eastern Asian countries, the US, and Europe are extremely developed for purely genetic reasons that have nothing to do with their geography, climate, or history!!! IQ is a perfectly accurate measurement of intelligence and the same tests can be used on any civilization with any level of development!!!!!!

>>11452877

This is unironically the single greatest problem with modern science and math. Universities are glorified business selling an increasingly half assed product to high school students, and they cut costs by exponentially reducing the amount of full time tentured positions they offer. Publish or perish isn't just a source of stress for post docs, it encourages them to produce as many minimum publishable units as possible for fear of not having their contracts revoked or losing funding.

Not to mention how PhD students in the U.S don't actually get paid to research and have to find their own ranks, but in many universities, still have to yield the rights to their work to the university that did nothing except provide libraries and a committee to put a stamp of approval on it.

Science was better off when only aristocrats and absolute prodidgies were allowed to have a publishable opinion.

I guess gotta say you all correct

>>11457201
No. IQs are known to increase as civilizations advance; someone from 1900 would usually have an iq of 70 in modern times. When you use an IQ test from a developed society in a developing one, you are bound to get lower scores. Were Americans in 1900 just blacker than they are now?
Also, this effect is observed to be very strong in developing nations like Kenya https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12741743/

>>11457334
>muh flynn effect
cringe
>muh africans
double cringe. blacks in the US are still dumb.

>>11457344
>Thinking that IQs don’t increase as civilizations develop
Cringe

>Thinking IQ is an accurate measurement of intelligence
Double cringe

>>11457358
>Thinking IQ is an accurate measurement of intelligence
Yes, this is the scientific consensus.

>>11457369
>believing in scientific consensus in 20*101

>>11457369
>Appeal to scientific consensus
>Isn’t even the actual scientific consensus

>>11452839
Welcome to clown world. If you get your head out of your ass long enough to look around and say "wtf is happening". You will see nothing you think you know is real or true

>>11457369
Is it now? When was it said or written? By what percentage of scientists? By what kinds of scientists?
tldr: citation needed.

>>11456407
She's just a slut that wanted to be special why are you analyzing something that isn't meant to be.
You're like pic related, chill lol

>>11452839
Science realized a long time ago that reality does not have a "makes sense to human intuition" bias.

>>11452926
>endlessly complex
Just how true is this? One would think anyone could put on their fucking thinking hat and have it, and what they can't figure out, figured out in a day. Is the rest akin to just sitting down with a starbucks and mulling over how in the fuck 2=3? Is this "doing" physics?

>>11457605
Of course! Physicists just need to think, and they’ll solve all their problems in a day! Why didn’t they think of that?

>>11457634
Are they not thinking hard enough or what? I should like to know these problems that both take so long to think about and that I would not be rational in inferring that there is no physical solution.

>>11457653
Be my guest, dude. Go into physics and solve all their problems in a day. You’d get all kinds of awards and prizes.

>>11457714
>solve all their problems
like what?

>>11452839
Ignoring how your 5th arrow is unironically correct, the problem is that we are currently stuck to where all we can do is make autistic hypotheses rather than actual facts. Give it 30 years for us to return

>>11452839
>My “notions” are better than empirical evidence

Lol. Saged

>>11457742
You sure showed me with your domboat! I tip my fedora to you

>>11456686
Explain what dark energy, dark matter, gravity, light, mass are without resorting to circular referencing and without abstract non-observational non-falsable thought experiments.

>>11457715
Maybe if you think harder you’ll find out

>>11456893
>This one is to stop retards from undermining liberal democracy because they have no understanding of ethics.
Without realising they are actually undermining liberal democracy with authoritarian statist policies.

>>11457445
>By what kinds of scientists?
Intelligence researchers, obviously. For example
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1e5e/d3c712d4b5ee0461de4c21b19bf956644d85.pdf?_ga=2.159118074.1999582800.1583875989-646221426.1583875989
There’s no debate about this in the actual literature, just high-profile charlatans with a lot of media access and an axe to grind against it.
>>11457410
>>11457389
>science denial
Maybe you’d be more comfortable on >>>/pol/

>>11457344
>blacks in the US are still dumb.
well their part of US society still hasn't fully developed so...

>>11457879
of course it hasn’t, it’s run by blacks lol

>>11455030

>>11457859
>questioning agenda-driven careerist scientists is the same as "science denial"
ok kid

>>11457908
>agenda-driven careerist scientists
These are the people trying to reject IQ despite decades’ worth of research proving it to be a valid metric

>>11456680
>>11456680
Lurk more

>>11457742
>empirical
>empirical
>empirical
Nope, an experiment which you cannot disprove through observation is not empirical

>>11457908
>agenda-driven careerist
Maybe you should ask yourself who is agenda-driven.

>>11457941
Do you honestly believe that the study of differences between groups of people is allowed in academia? Did you see what happened when the James Damore published his google memo (which by the way is not remotely controversial)? The widespread outrage and butthurt?

This is a taboo subject, it is not allowed. Academia is completely biased when it comes to certain subjects.

>>11457838
Those things are all some form of energy. Energy always manifests itself as weight on a scale, you put any energy on a scale, and it weighs. That's it, you're done, that's a positivist definition. You are beaten, it is useless to resist.

>>11452839
The scientific community is not in any way in agreement on the proposition that "consciousness=neural computation". In fact, that is probably a minority opinion. As an example of alternatives that are taken very seriously, look into the Hameroff Penrose model. Or come to the annual Science of Consciousness Conference and get your mind blown. (Probably postponed this year due to corvid19)

>>11457994
>Hameroff Penrose model
I think Orch OR is extremely based, but it is a fringe theory that is not taken seriously by mainstream neurobiologists

>>11457982
>positivist definition
You need to go back to epistemology 101
>Those things are all some form of energy
Not empirical, observable or falsable

>>11458043
When you get down to it, I'm not sure how you measure "taken seriously". But Penrose's critique of the neural computation model sells books and fills auditoriums with scientists.
In any event, there doesn't seem to me to be any scientific consensus that the neural computation model is correct. Indeed, the "hard problem" seems to be no less of a problem now than when it was first so-designated decades ago.

In fact, contrary to the computational model, the panpsychism of Eddington and Russel has, if anything, had a resurgence in the last decade.

I'm just a puny research assistant in a neuroscience lab, and often the dumbest guy in the room, but NOBODY there is talking about the computational model of consciousness as a done deal. The jury is still WAY out.

>>11458101
>panpsychism of Eddington and Russel
Can you give me a quick rundown?

>>11456514
>they just say that some differences are exacerbated by society

women having 4 billion fewer neurons in their cortex on average isn't a minor difference

>>11458111
I have gone back to the original source and am half way through Eddington's book the Nature of the Physical World. A GREAT book, by the way, even though somewhat dated. I haven't gotten to the panpsychism part yet, but my understanding from other readings is that it essentially hypothesizes that consciousness is not located "inside the skull looking out" but is, rather, a property of the universe itself. Sorry I can't do better than that. I am looking forward to reading Eddington's explanation.

>>11458418
That’s due to brain size difference, and brains vary a lot in size. It would make more sense to focus on brain size than sex.
Also, I never said differences were minor, just that they were exacerbated by society. Learn to read, retard.

>>11454984
Well you'd want to look at how doctors diagnose if a head is too large because they do measure babies heads if their looking a little top heavy. Look for what qualifies as a clinically significant large head.

*aham*
Fuck dark matter
Fuck dark energy

>>11453070
No.

>>11457334
is that why global IQ is decreasing?

>>11452839
>I don't understand it therefore it's wrong
>It's not a 100% complete reduction of reality to equations therefore it's wrong

>>11460709
In first world countries*

>>11460666
Based satan

>>11460719
>he thinks understanding dark matter, dark energy, big bang and string theory makes him intelligent

>>11452839
>>"big bang" which breaks the very basic notion of causality
retarded nigger

>>11452926
>Basically, science is at the very edge of what can be feasibly theorized with our current level of technology. In order to perform actual, physical experiments in any meaningful sense you have to construct multi-billion dollar machines, or spend hundreds of millions launching shit into space, etc. It's simply too expensive and not yet worth the effort to explore what's currently open to exploration. So most scientists have to content themselves with being pure mathematical theorists working on endlessly complex calculations and equations.
This, theoretical physicists and mathematicians already get their cocks sucked spouting untestable thought experiments because normal people's brains shut down and go I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE the second someone utters the phrase "quantum mechanics." We've hit a roadblock that few are in a hurry to clear. Conferences are basically an endless stream of semantics and word games and "LA LA LA YOU CAN'T MEASURE IT" and everyone loves it that way because the theoretical physicists can come up with whatever retarded theory they want as long as it doesn't cross into magic (and sometimes even then) while the rest can sit atop their hard science high horse and pretend they've got an answer to everything. They're perfectly happy being able to speak with authority and conviction about shit that nobody is currently capable of understanding.

>>11461049
You are

>>11457224
fuck students. they're all brainwashed future commies anyways. tradesmen will inherit the world.

>>11452839
>causality
A meme. The universe doesn't have to follow our logic.

>>11458085
>not empirical
energy always manifests itself as weight on a scale, you put any energy on a scale, and it weighs.
>not observable or falsable
energy always manifests itself as weight on a scale, you put any energy on a scale, and it weighs.

>>11452926
Yeah i never understood why we can't have two theories for quantum and macro physical stuff

>>11461168
>3123123123.gif
S/o/yboy simp show made fun of him but he gonna have the last laugh. Best believe it.

>>11452839
we don't even know what the fuck is physics anymore

>>11461824
>energy always manifests itself as weight on a scale, you put any energy on a scale, and it weighs.
Energy is abstract and its not meassured directly. Think again.

>>11461809
Then what’s the point of science?

>>11462727
There's no point in anything. Just watch TV