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Is it true that severe mental illnesses (schizophrenia spectrum disorders, major depressive disorder, bipolar disorder) correlate with the person having a lower than average IQ? If so, did the lower IQ play a role in the development of the disorder or is the lower IQ a result of the disorder?
>Another IQ thread

>> No.11433238

>>11433203
No

>> No.11433294

>>11433203
No, in fact a lot of schizos are high IQ
I mostly see that low iq people tend to be perfectly neurotypical and are less prone to develop mental illnesses
I've never seen a severely depressed retard, more on the contrary

>> No.11433300

>>11433294
>No, in fact a lot of schizos are high IQ
>I mostly see that low iq people tend to be perfectly neurotypical and are less prone to develop mental illnesses
Source: your ass
>I've never seen a severely depressed retard
There are dozens on /sci/ alone

>> No.11433315

gotta have the big brain to see the hidden patterns

>> No.11433322

>>11433300
funi answer

>> No.11433345

i was gonna be a schizo, i heard voices and everything but i didnt fixate on it. A friend of mine with a lot of mental health experience explained to me that fixating on these things makes them become more and more disruptive.

But my easy going laid back attitude did not care that i was being messed with by the universe. I did not think of it as anything personal, could just be a ghost i reasoned, maybe im just hallucinating i thought.
Yeah, the government is spying on me, but they are spying on everyone, best not worry about it.
I took nothing as significant or really meaningful, and so it did not ever become something i started thinking too much about
I simply ignored it, and it went away

>> No.11433373

>>11433345
This.
I kept having nightmares of malformed babies covered in blood and placenta and a voice telling me that was me, but also my child. Like the premunition that a new entity was going to be born into my consciousness. Before seeing it, I started hearing it. It used to babble things it heard from people around me trying to repeat words, like if it was trying to learn how to talk so it could communicate with me. Then I started seeing it: laying around at first, still covered in blood.

One day it just materialized itself standing on its own two legs, the body still that of an infant, but it was growing and it was starting to say things with meaning. Mocking the people around me with its freaky voice.

Then one week I got really busy and forgot about it, never showed up ever again.
The whole experience lasted less than 2 weeks, but goddamn it got me worried.

Kinda funny desu, I picture him waiting for me at the supermarket, while other people's delusions keeps it company.
Adios demon child, you were allright.

>> No.11433375

Yes. In schizophrenia every time you have psychosis your IQ goes permanently down and losses of 30 points are not unheard of

>> No.11433419

>>11433203
schizoaffective bipolar type here
I find that most of the severely mentally ill, most of the ones I've seen in my many mental ward visits (both child and adult sides), as well as personal family have resulted in this

if they're smart before the major payload of extreme mental illness, they will be just as smart or less so while going through major illness, if they show signs of high intelligence in childhood, they will in adulthood or in mental illness too.
if they're average or low intelligence, they not only will be dumber while mentally ill or straight up loose some intelligence (ex. my father forgot how to read due to schizo) but they'll be hit harder by their mental illness and be more difficult to convince that their delusions aren't real.
occasionally the super grounded to reality smart folk will still fall into the trap that the low intelligence folk do of not being able to fall out of delusion.

in conclusion, because of the serious mental illness, it can be very difficult to sort out which ones are now irreparable retards and which ones are actually very intelligent and will recover just fine.

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>>11433373
>Like the premunition that a new entity was going to be born into my consciousness.
neat

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Schizo-everything here. I feel liek a walking experiment. Moar than anything, the best way to keep yourself grounded is heavy socialization while being careful to not allow anyone to pull their neurotypical bullshit on you. Don't let fear or anxiety consume you. Sync your delusions up with reality. Understand that reality is indifferent to your perception. You can fester in disorganized thought all you want so long as you co-exist peacefully with society.

>> No.11433453

>>11433437
>11433437
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>>11433437
>>11433437
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>>11433453

>> No.11433469

>>11433203
It's hard to tell since most shizos are brain damaged from drugs.

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>>11433469
yay psychiatry

>> No.11433502

>>11433345
this. It's like the larping namefags on /x they choose to make it a part of their identity so to escape the responsibilities of life

>> No.11433531

>>11433373
What makes you think I left?

>> No.11433562

>>11433203
I'm not totally certain, but my many years working in an emergency dept. and in-patient admitting gave me the impression that those types of cases tend to be higher IQ. They often had a higher sensitivy to details (greater information bandwidth) and made more mental connections with that information (it is the hyperactivity and distortion of that connection-making capacity which becomes apophenia). These are traits which high-IQ people usually exploit to to their benefit, but taken to an extreme they become crippling.

This is anecdotal of course, and the 'inappropriate' behaviour of such people can skew your perception of their intelligence either way... But that's my opinion.

>> No.11433957

>>11433203
high IQ is correlated with depression

having a high IQ as a schizophrenic makes you more likely to keep your condition under control