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>>11425005
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/musk-says-chinese-economy-will-surpass-the-us-by-two-or-three-times.html

>>11425019
numba 1
us suk a dick

Are recoverable SRBs worth it (outside the Shuttle program)?

pic related

>>11425019
> “pls-pls-pls give my factory more subsidies Mr Xi Jinping!”

Floating colonies on Venus when?

Four times the solar energy as on mars
Earth normal temperature and pressure saves all sorts of effort
Constant volcanism means the surface will be covered in useful resources

>>11425033
?

>>11425032
I mean Virgin Galactic uses a hybrid engine (sort of an SRB) for SS2 and that’s been reused multiple times.

>>11425039
>surface will be covered in useful resources
Except no equipment survives on surface due to it being a literal hellhole.

Floating on the clouds will only get you so far. If the balloon gets pricked, you'll fall to hell, literally.

>>11425042
Musk tends to suck up to China a lot nowadays because the CCP have given Tesla lots of financial benefits for their Shanghai factory.

>>11425032
that thing in particular is great, because you're recovering the SRBs for free when you recover your liquid rocket
it's not usually otherwise worth it

>>11425054
Its because you're a fucking retard. China has >4x the population of the US. If their GDP per capita reaches 30K, then their economy will be double the US. Right now they have ~20K USD per capita. That will grow to 30K in the next 10 years. Its not sucking up to state simple facts.

>>11425050
It’s the same temperature that self cleaning ovens get to
Operating machinery in a 500 degree environment or even the 100 atmospheres is totally fine

Only issue is high temperature electronics

>>11425039
Only if we can name it Bespin

RIP Freeman Dyson

>>11425019
Doubt.

>>11425073
F

>>11425066
Bespin is the name of the Star, Cloud City is the name of the place

>>11425076
>there are no roof/pipe leaks in the us

>>11425098
It was called the Bespin mining facility nerd

>>11425054
China is a homogenous country that has 5 times the population as the US
Meanwhile the US white population has been aging and shrinking for a while now

Thinking China won’t surpasss the US gdp by a lot is lunacy

>>11425064
>Only issue is high temperature electronics
kek
Self cleaning ovens/Venus gets to 500 C or 900F. 100x pressure of Earth (equivalent to being 1Km down in ocean).

On top of this, due to lack of magnetic shielding, your floating venus "colony" will need a fuck ton of shielding. Due to proximity to the Sun and lack of shielding, sunlight will kill anyone looking outside.

>>11425105
>leaks for every room and hallway
>national pride

>>11425108
so you'd call it the Venus Mining Facility, or Cloud City for short

>>11424920

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPwxfzvhlLA

>>11425110
habitable pressure/temperature zone on Venus has insolation levels roughly equivalent with Earth surface due to the clouds
of course, it's omnidirectional and diffuse so you need to wear sunglasses if you go outside (you need to wear more than just sunglasses)

>>11425110
What does a machine made out of steel care for that minuscule pressure or temperature
Add some high temperature hydraulics and you are doing fine

>>11425127
Because we can't control the machine that's on the surface of venus due to every control machine being fried. Then you need proper fuel to lift back raw materials from surface to the floating "colony." Due to gravity being roughly similar to earth, a lot of fuel is needed to carry a small load of material.

>>11425124
lol, you will never go outside in venus without a space suit due to not only radiation, but also acid raid and other chemicals in those "habitable" zones.

>>11425156
I feel like the whole venus colony is a big joke created as a distraction.

>>11425115
the difference here is that im not the one with an agenda with webms of buildings having a leak

>>11425115
Not that guy but China could have an economy that surpasses the USA and still have leaky buildings like this because in China the average person is just a cog in the machine.

>>11425115
Its leaky building vs no buildings. Not leaky buildings vs 5 star hotels. Any sort of large building takes years in any other country on earth.

>>11425156
a venus balloon city "spacesuit" looks more like an NBC suit than anything else, because it doesn't need to cope with a pressure or temperature differential across the barrier if you're floating at a sane altitude
you can put your control machines in an airplane that floats in and above the clouds and attempts to station-keep, or you can put it in an orbiter that gets to talk to it every once in a while

>>11425165
Control machines and lifters can simply be tethered to the ground, making use of the constant winds to maintain lift

>>11425169
I can foresee that going very poorly

>>11425165
The winds in the atmosphere are literally hundreds of mph 24/7

>>11425165
Junk science. You're free to breathe in toxic air and bathe in xray radiation lol. Lack of magnetic shielding, proximity to sun, constraints of material weight for protection = nonviable colony dreams.

Its much more efficient to simply land on Mars, either build a dome city or underground city. There's no limit to the two.

>>11425179
there's more atmosphere on venus per unit of pressure than on Earth, there will be less radiation in the habitable bands on Venus than on Earth
and no shit you'd need to bring your own rebreather setup
I agree, Mars Colony, Venus science outpost

>>11425191
Venus surface gets 10% of the radiation. That's after the thick atmospheric cloud of acid/chemicals/etc. Colony of venus idea is talking about 50-100 km above surface where the atmosphere is 1/100th of the one on surface, 1/4 close to sun, and no magnetic shield. Lazer death rays from the sun and the cosmic background radiation will be deadly.

>>11425220
no it'll be fine, just wear your hazmat suit with integrated SCBA and mirrored visor for EVA activities
and don't forget, fall protection saves lives

spess big

>>11425266
Is that a view from that satellite necromancer spacecraft?

>>11425019
This assumes China will remain politically stable enough to remain one country in the long term. Historically speaking, this is not the normal situation for the region.

>>11425277
yes MEV-1

just think of the possibilities like space junk removal...

>>11425073
Rest in peace. F

>>11425283
>imagine space junk collectors who scrap dead satellites for their precious materials

>>11425161
>>11425164
>>11425163
That's China's new hospital specifically built for the pandemic. Like their rockets and failed space station it perfectly illustrates their "theater."

>>11425229
Wear your balloon parachute and someone will be over to rescue you before you melt

>>11425050
>Except no equipment survives on surface due to it being a literal hellhole.

Technology that can survive the surface conditions of Venus is already feasible.

>>11425290
Give those bugmen credit though they know how to mobilize

>>11425109
>China is a homogenous country

Please go to school.

>>11425156
>lol, you will never go outside in venus without a space suit due to not only radiation, but also acid raid and other chemicals in those "habitable" zones.

Move the atmosphere

>>11425287
I like to visualize a fleet of de-orbiters starting from the easiest most accessible and lowest reaches of LEO working their way up deorbiting all manner of large space debris and junk that could pose a threat via Kessler Syndrome, the sooner we get started clearing orbital debris and junk the better, but who is gonna fund such a venture? Who will run such operations if no one is paying for them because its not profitable in the traditional sense, it will have to be a NASA or maybe Space Force effort most likely.

>>11425321
Literally quality over quantity is needed for this sort of thing. Hence why their space program is totally gimped. Their space program has literally been a meat grinder for workers.

>>11425073

>>11425290
>>11425344
hating on chinks is a favorite circlejerk here, but consider that they were running a 20 year manned program which only slipped by 1 year, was devised in the time when they were much like pajeets, and accomplished more than they intended originally

not everyone can say that about their manned programs lately, in fact I don't think anyone can

>>11425335
>but who is gonna fund such a venture?
If you change the mission from discarding to recycling, then the source of funding becomes obvious. Collect all space junk you can reach, grab the useful bits, de-orbit the rest, and sell the polished useful bits. There are lots of spacecraft out there that are perfectly useful, but just have a single flaw with them that rendered them useless without repair.

>>11425327
>>11425156
>>11425124
The other gas giants, except Jupiter, are better for human colonies than Venus. they have the same sort of pressure, temperature, and gravity zone needed for a floating structure using normal air as lifting gas. Only, they have far less problems for people than Venus. The only thing I'm sketchy about are asteroids from their rings. All 3 of those gas planets have rings that might be sending death down in small sizes all the time. If that's not a problem then they'd be ideal.

>>11425356
no, they don't
Jupiter and Saturn are both made primarily of hydrogen and helium, no useful buoyancy is possible in their atmospheres
the ice giants are geh and I don't think we know enough about them to make a meaningful conclusion other than that they cold

>>11425351
>hating on chinks is a favorite circlejerk here
I hate the Chinese gov for what they're doing to their own citizen and what they want to do to people in the world. You can hate someone without becoming a retard. That's the hate needed to win a battle/war. You can't win anything by putting your head under the sand and claiming China is not doing anything. That's just annoying part about the China hate. Its stupid and its dangerous. It allows China to catch us "offguard" like the anti-sat, them threatning Taiwan, building base in south china sea, etc.

>>11425356
>The other gas giants, except Jupiter, are better for human colonies than Venus.
Only if you like extremely low temperatures, supersonic winds ripping you apart, and sinking in hydrogen

>>11425351
It was only roughly 12 years from the launch of the very first ICBM in history by Russia to the first human setting foot on the Moon, chang. The fact that it takes you 20 years now to get where everyone else was 50-60 years ago is not implessive.

Any news on the Astra Rocket launch from Kodiak today? Did it get delayed again?

>>11425396
Alaska sunk into the ocean

>>11425354
I like that idea

>>11425032
What is that? Chuh neese falcon clone?

>>11425105
American Quality™

>>11425354
There is nothing useful on a ten year old satellite
Or if there was then it’s proprietary and you will get sued if you touch it

>>11425411
It's a clone only in how it's being recovered and reused. The rest of the rocket is functionally very different from the Falcon 9.

>>11425368
>except Jupiter
>>11425378
You missed the part about pressure and temperature. That determines where air as a lifting gas will work. The ligher-than-air gases(helium, hydrogen, and methane) on those 3 gas giants is cold enough that they become heavier than room temp air. Thus, the air reverses the role as a lifting gas so long as it is warm. Personally, I think it'd be better to just use local gases for that and heat them up instead. That way you are not wasting oxygen or adding oxygen to what could become a spectacular disaster should there be a problem.

>wind
Same as venus, minus the ice clouds.

>>11425415
>There is nothing useful on a ten year old satellite
RTG?

>>11425422
Saturn also has the same issues as Jupiter

>>11425421
Does it self-land too?

>>11425382
>chang
I'm not a chang though
>It was only roughly 12 years from the launch of the very first ICBM in history by Russia to the first human setting foot on the Moon
Yeah, when the largest economy in the world was working for a dead-end propaganda mission. Chinese program wasn't nearly as ambitious as Apollo was, in fact they suffered from funding shortages all these 20 years AFAIK.
>The fact that it takes you 20 years now to get where everyone else was 50-60 years ago is not implessive.
When you have a largely agrarian country planning a manned space program in early 90s and sticking to the schedule for two decades, it's at least mildly impressive, I'll give them that. Especially when "others" can't even repeat what they did once with a much larger budget than chinks had, and are stuck in an endless loop of planning, redesigning, and repurposing things.

Japanese space program is also fairly good btw. It's not very ambitious and they've had their share of troubles, but they are actually using it to drive the science and high tech market in the country (a main purpose of any space program), and their program does exactly what it says on the tin.

>>11425425
Which ones specifically?

>>11425428
Judging from the material that the Chinese space program have released? Yeah, but the sole animation that I've found of it is full of errors.

>>11425442
I think they can do it too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrG1UrX0mI8

US will eat shit in the current space race if they insist on relying on oldspace companies

>>11425382
Thats because "everyone" aka US/Russia was spending a huge amount of money, a huge chunk of their economy, on weapons/space program. 50-60 years later, US/Russia are struggling to get to space as we've cut out funding, stagnated, etc. We're worse off today that 50 years ago in terms of tech development rate for space program.

>>11425415
Refined materials. Even when in-space mining and refining gets going, heavily refined alloys already just sitting out of a gravity well will represent a substantial savings and potential profit.

>>11425415
Marine salvage laws

>>11425382
>It was only roughly 12 years from the launch of the very first ICBM in history by Russia to the first human setting foot on the Moon, chang
Nice, but how long did US spend without showing anything new at all? Cost per launch only went down after Musk decided he could lower it in the early 2000's.

>>11425335
>ywn pilot a starfighter in a Space Force uniform shooting down orbital debris keeping the interplanetary trade routes safe for the good people of Terra and Mars
why even live

Some nice information from a NASA employee about what the super-secret evil plan that Er*c B*rger discovered actually was...

Turns out the entire thing was massively blown out of proportion by B*rger, as usual...

>>11425073
F brainy smart man who's theories made no logical sense but were cool to think about

>>11425456
not valid in space
you'd basically be committing space piracy to even think of touching somebody's dead bird

>>11425475
Literally whoms't would do anything about it though? Especially if it's not an American or E*ro satellite

>>11425508
Your own government would be the ones jailing you, but only if it is illegal in your own country. Same laws as sex tourism would apply.

>>11425508
something something copyright and trade agreements

>>11425514
Not everyone is under the claws of the hebrew

>>11425530
Shut up fag

>>11425530
You mean like 3rd world countries that don't have space programs at all?

>>11425475
>committing space piracy
you're only incentivising me

>>11425032
>SRB cost: expensive fuel cheap everything else
>LRB cost: cheap fuel expensive everything else

Unless recovery prioritizes fuel over everything else, which will be a sight to see, SRB casing recovery is a meme.

>>11425551
Yes

>>11425220
Venus is twice as close to the sun so it gets ^8 radiation doze and worst of all its mostly neutrons.

>>11425564
>YO HO YO HO A (space) PIRATE'S LIFE FOR ME!

>>11425573
That means more solar power. Awesome.

I don’t care about the radiation. I’ll be a robot if I ever live on fucking Venus

>>11425443
Give a trillion dollar budget to Oldspace and they will stomp the chinks in 4 years. Just because they don't work for pennies doesn't mean they can't work if you actually pay them.

>>11425583
>Give a trillion dollar budget to Oldspace and they will stomp the chinks in 4 years
More like they'll ask for another trillion dollars and say they'll do it 5 years further into the future

>>11425583
You mean like what NASA has been doing with Boeing to make sure that the SLS stayed on track?

>>11425583
The last 50 years is oldspace's "achievement" aka nothing. They've gotten over a trillion dollar in funding already.

>>11425583
9 women, one baby, etc

>>11425583

>>11425039
Never. It's too difficult to obtain hydrogen on Venus. No hydrogen, no propellant, no water, no plastics, etc.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615291/lunar-missions-before-nasa-2024-artemis-moon-landing-space-x-mining/
>tfw reading this and realizing all these missions are gonna play out much faster and in shorter timeframes once they land successfully on the moon and begin operation because of the minimal signal lag compared to Mars which is where 95% of current rover operations take place

>>11425032
Recoverable what? A burnt out husk? They're cheap for a reason.

>>11425163

In what sense would the economy surpass the US if they all live in squalor? You actually have to have productive people who make cool things in order to have a great economy.

I can't believe Astra came out with all that fucking hype and then it turned out to just be lipstick rocket 2.0 - black arrow or whatever

seriously the way they were hyping it up you would have thought they had gotten CLF3 pentaborane working or something

How do I into space ? I wanna learn everything to be as smart on the subject as you guys
Also is there a place in the space industry for Cybersec dudes ?

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-launch-services-contract-for-the-psyche-mission
Psyche asteroid probe will launch on a Falcon Heavy in 2022

>>11425707
>no propellant on Venus
Not him but that's outright wrong. Carbon monoxide nets you kerosene tier performance.

>>11425771
if they launch it'll only be the third space
startup in recent memory to launch to orbit

>>11425802
what sort of launch are they doing?
full recovery?
center core expended?

>>11425817
well I'll be damned. Still pretty hard to colonize if you can't get drinking water. Also 1 bar on Venus is toastier than colonization proponents believe.

>>11425863
>1 bar
0.85 bar

>>11425826
The contract is for $117 million, less than the standard expendable cost of $150 million. Also, the spacecraft plus secondary payloads will be under 3000 kg, which I think is well within capacity for the orbit it's being launched into. I'm guessing at least some of the cores will be recovered, probably all.

>“Death is the mother of beauty; hence from her, Alone, shall come fulfilment to our dreams. And our desires.”

>>11425877
Except that's a bullshit cope. Overcoming death would give us the potential to reach far greater heights as individuals and as a species. Just because the inevitability of it has been ingrained into our psyche on a biological and cultural level doesn't mean that accepting it wholesale is for the best.
Of course that's just on the topic of natural death. If you want to be a ballsy motherfucker who pushes limits at the risk of his own life, that shouldn't be downplayed. The point is that you got to choose when and how you died.

>>11425768
I think there's likely plenty of ways they've already surpassed the US. Certain types of manufacturing for example. Quality of life is just one measure.

>>11425915
I apologise, but I was just here admiring the beauty of this hypersonic boost-glide missile (a weapon designed to cause death).

>>11425583
It'd probably be quite a smart move for China to lure the US into a space race - you can bet it costs the US a hell of a lot more to achieve the same ends as China. Of course the US can print money being the world's reserve currency but nonetheless, the utter corruption and inefficiency of oldspace is a definite strategic weakness.

>>11425771
way better than that RP-1/peroxide propelled one-off.

Its main innovation is to fit entirely within a standard shipping container. RocketLab did the hard work of proving out the electric fuel pump concept for a small orbital vehicle.

>>11425372
Don't forget that Australia is literally infested with their exchange students, acting as softcore spies and informing on each other for acting out of line

>>11425707
There is a decent amount of hydrogen in the atmosphere
Enough for our purposes

>>11425928
Thinking they won't be the subject to the same shenanigans is naive. USSR was, for example; in fact their top bureaus were very similar to their US conterparts, and the internal kabuki theater was practically the same, except they had slower oscillations related to new presidents/administrations. Yes China kept their previous program surprisingly on target, yet that doesn't mean they will do this forever, the current one is stagnating already. It's the same cycle everywhere.

>>11425109
>Thinking China won’t surpasss the US gdp by a lot is lunacy
This is my belief. Population alone suggests it. I don't welcome it or otherwise. It does amaze me though how hypersensitive Americans are to the mere suggestion of it. Out comes the cope within microseconds

>>11425969
That's just bongs red flagging.

>>11425961
I'd be willing to put money on the fact that China could shit out an SLS clone far cheaper and quicker.

>>11425073
>solid shell dyson

>>11425974
Yeah right

>>11425969
It’s not just China, all these non white countries have seen explosive population growth in the last 50 years while we have shrunken

It’s similar to the delusions people had before the end of the colonies
They ignore the demographic changes which make the future inevitable

Just like how the current US government completely ignores the will of the white majority which has always been against unlimited immigration

>>11426019
hmmm if only there was a way to increase US population...

If you can change one physical thing about the Solar system to make space flight easier, then what would it be (assuming no unintended consequences)?

>>11426096
all you need to do is knock 20% off the mass of the Earth and spaceflight is stupidly easy

>>11426100
skyhooks or bust
unleash the yeet fleet

Spaceship is supposed to be test launched this weekend, isn't it? The construction looks so precarious. I'm afraid.

>>11426096
Make Mars have a spinning liquid iron core. This would mean notable magnetic field, notable atmosphere, notable temperature, etc. Perfect incentive for massive colonization.

>>11426019
A lot of the shittier ones are stuck in the high fertility/low development loop that keeps feeding itself. So that's not getting better any time soon.

But in China's case, they fucked their demographics up with that population control shit. They've got the structure of fucking Europe now. But make no mistake: their economy WILL grow far beyond America's. With their numbers anything less would require intentionally fucking it up.

>>11426090
Paid maternal/paternal leave, government support for childcare/daycare, educational reform, and generally making parenthood a cheaper and easier process? All supplemented by immigration, but I'd rather have a population that naturally increases in addition to immigrants, y'know?

>>11426096
Fill the space with water so that we can use submarines

>>11426105
Launch Loops would be better. Skyhooks are small time. Which is, admittedly, a point in their favor considering the lower cost. That would make it an easier sell.

>>11426096
Counter-Earth.

>>11426107
>Spaceship is supposed to be test launched this weekend, isn't it?
Where did you hear that? Seems like the earliest it'll be is next month.

>>11426107
it's a pressure test and maybe fire, not a launch

>>11426116
why bother with just one
bring out all the space autism methods
rings, flings, loops, scoops

>>11426119
imagine how much counter earth would have fucked up our understanding of orbital mechanics

>>11426134
But imagine how much easier a sell it would be to go land on and/or settle Counter-Earth.

>>11426111
it's CHINA
they've made a habit of intentionally fucking it up big time

>>11425568
This.

>>11425573
>neutrons.
No

>>11425817
>Carbon monoxide nets you kerosene tier performance
With the only slight downside being that liquid CO, much like liquid acetylene, likes to detonate.

>>11426138
We probably wouldn't have even by now, because of the whole "two way transport isn't possible until you can launch giant rockets from counter-Earth" thing. One-way trips won't be a thing until we're considering interstellar colonization.

>>11426260
Elon's Mars plan is a one-way trip with the materials to set up a return trip

Who the hell cares about manned missions to some desolate wasteworld when we could be sending another probe to FUCKING TITAN, the BEST celestial body to grace our solar system?

>>11426291
>the BEST celestial body to grace our solar system?
That ain't Earth.

>>11426291
Titan is cold as balls
It’s useless

>>11426299
You think I give a shit about usefulness? I just want to see more of the place, and obviously there's scientific value in astrooceanography actually having a chance to be relevant for the first time in history.

>>11425802
I wonder how quick they can get one set up to explore our new mini-moon maybe sample return, maybe test re-direction and capture...

>>11426291
Umm no sweaty

>>11426316
It's a cold rock covered in liquid ass gas why should we care about it

>>11426096
Earth has a stable ring system, perhaps the remnants of Thea, captured by the new Earth- which not only looks really fucking cool but provides a place real close by to prospect and mine, set up small bases and stations, staging grounds for departure to the Moon or beyond, few chunks are a km wide and nations lay claim to them and set up bases, fuel and mining depots...

>>11425005
Wouldn't strapping a rocket down like this and firing it off fuck with the planet's rotation?

>>11426355

>>11426351
NO
>>11426353
Why should I care about some schmuck getting to take a shit on a dustball in the inner solar system?

>>11426361
Imagine culturally and mythologically how impactful a ring system would be, imagine being the first humane explorers setting sail from your land and seeing the rings (or line) in the sky appear different and truly realize you are on a sphere, that would be some shit.

>>11426356
Wouldn't launching some of Earth's mass into orbit fuck with the planet's rotation?

>>11426356
next time they'll fire it the other way

>>11426355
>>11426361
>>11426364
Beautiful.

>>11426364
Probably not very much. You can see the same effect with the sun and moon at different latitudes and the layman barely gave a shit.

>>11426356
no, it all gets absorbed by the atmosphere again

>>11426096
remove radiation

Earth is so boring, lads

>>11426384
>>11426383
>>11426377
>>11426375
>>11426373
>>11426372

>>11426372
dumb
>>11426375
unrealistic orbits
>>11426377
where the fuck is that guy standing
>>11426383
3-body problem? never heard of it
>>11426384
how the fuck those spikes form

>>11426394
t.

>>11425005
I remember watching Morton-Thiokol test their space shuttle boosters out there.
Pretty amazing - you have to watch from a few miles away and the roar was still deafening.

>>11426267
Uh huh, which can be done with a few unmanned Starships and a single crewed mission. Returning from an Earth sized planet however would require ridiculous amounts of resource extraction and man power, requiring multi-stage reusable vehicles flying multiple times to refuel a single return craft in a low orbit that could actually return to Earth.

>>11426351
I just want us to drill there already and have a look under the ice for sea creatures, hurry the fuck up REEEE

>>11426413
>t.
You don't even know what that means you fat fuck

>>11426394
Imagine hating fantasy art because it isn't realistic.

>>11426394
not gonna make it

>>11426575
t.

>>11425073
:(

>>11425073
>On the space race, from a letter to his family in England, January 1, 1958:

>"I have nothing original to say about Sputniks. I feel cheerful about them. It seems to me clear that the Soviet government does not intend to throw bombs at anybody but does intend to dominate the earth by rapid scientific and industrial growth. This will in turn stimulate the Americans to undertake major projects which they would be too parsimonious to do otherwise. There is no question that colonization of the moon and planets will be one of them. I expect eventually to take a hand in this. The prospect seems to me exciting and hopeful."

>>11426587
Except I don't.
What I do hate is completely unrealistic sci-fi art that utterly shatters suspension of disbelief on an intrinsic level. There's a certain point where you know something looks so wrong that you can't possibly believe it anymore and for me that's complete disregard for basic orbital mechanics. I'm not even asking for pure realism, just don't slap 7 fucking planets in the same shot with no regard for perspective and positioning. It looks fucking retarded.

>>11426601
>There is no question that colonization of the moon and planets will be one of them. I expect eventually to take a hand in this. The prospect seems to me exciting and hopeful.

>>11426602
Do you have any examples of sci-fi art that you like?

>>11426602

What is the best outer space theme park ride?

>>11426602
How do you know it's not possible? The galaxy is virtually infinite, who the fuck knows what's out there.

>>11426607
After skimming through what little I have saved, I guess Blame does a good job of suspending your disbelief despite taking place in a setting that's clearly physically impossible. Probably because you don't see a bunch of planets that look like they're a day away from crashing into each other.
>>11426622
This has to be bait

>>11426632
Fuck forgot pic

>>11426632
>I guess Blame does a good job
What's Blame?

>>11426632
Not really bait. I'm not saying there's something EXACTLY out there like those pictures you're autistically screeching about, but I'd be willing to wager there's some truly wacky shit deep in the universe somewhere that makes no logical sense and challenges what we know about psychics n shieet.

>>11426620
I don't know how that painting made grey greebled spacecraft look cool, but it did. Have a blessed image in return.

>>11426643

>>11426641
That's a really STUPID viewpoint and I hope you have a nice sleep tonight

Holy fuck, starship just exploded and flew into the air.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA spacex and elon are finished.

>>11426641
Yeah I'm sure there's some part of the universe where two planets on a literal collision course just decide they're gonna be wacky today and not fucking eviscerate each other.
Fuck off man, what are you even doing here?

>>11426652
IT'S OVER

>>11426652
Post video or screenshots or GTFO.

>>11426658
OH NO NO NO NO

>>11426660
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTDiD965A_s&feature=youtu.be

>>11426652
w- we can still make it to Mars within our lifetimes, right guys?

>>11426648
>>11426654
I think you retards are missing my point intentionally

>>11426661
>>11426664
Well... that's a spectacular bummer. Hopefully they quickly figure out what went wrong. At least there's SN2...

>>11426652
>>11426658
>>11426661

SN1 didn't fly so good

>>11426667
Y-yeah bro..... D-definitely.....

>>11426672
at least this one looked good before it went boom
>>11426677
it sure would be nice to have more than 2 fps

>>11426680
Actually flew pretty good.

>>11426677
Looked like it was already failing long before the pop. I wonder why the testing crew didn't stop before the explosion. Equipment malfunction?

>>11426682

>>11426680
>>11426677
Who wants to try next?

>>11426670
No, it's just that nobody here is going to listen to a Dunning-Kruger effect case study who doesn't even understand what the words he uses mean.

>>11426685
No, this was a pressure test. Once a small failure happens, shit blows up immediately.

>>11426691
>Once a small failure happens, shit blows up immediately.
Yes, but in this case it looks like it was already failing well before the main failure, as evidenced by the leaks near and on the top of SN1.

>>11426672
This is the first frame (I think) where the thing is starting to explode, definitely looks like a failure at the bottom this time, might be the same problem as there was with the top bulkhead in the previous iteration, just insufficiently strong welds.

SN2 is supposed to be worked on this week. So maybe another month of delay?

>>11426701
>just insufficiently strong welds
Imagine expecting anything more Elon's Junkyard & Spaceship Parts

>>11426677
I think this camera is a little bit better
more framerate anyway
https://youtu.be/rCnl4IZOPe0
blew up around 10 on the clock

>>11426685
How do you stop when the damn thing is half full of o2 and it’s sprung a leak

>>11426723
They fill it with nitrogen for tests, not oxygen. Nitrogen inert and cheaper.

>>11426685
The fail looks like it happened from the bottom, so the top is probably not the issue.

>>11426723
N2, anon

>>11426720
Why is everybody filming at like 2fps, it's 2020 for fucks sake, don't use a goddamn security camera for a livestream

>>11426677
>>11426720
https://youtu.be/4IypiAjgWlM
this one is also pretty good

Not to worry everyone, the next prototype will have been welded using the correct settings, and said welds will be nicely planished. We just need to wait a few more weeks for SN2.

>>11426737
it's a real bummer that they haven't been able to figure it out yet
this one at least looked the part

>>11426735
There is no wifi in a field out in buttfuck mexico

>>11426736

>>11426749
nice
look at that thing fold up

>>11426736
Finally got a good shot of the point of failure, right next to that jumbo COPV a few feet down and to it's right.

>>11426745
Except it's buttfuck Texas, not Mexico. Area isn't even as rural as some of the places I manage to get service down there.

they're finally making a parking lot down here

>>11426752
Yep, the mid section looked flattened

>>11426740
It looked way better than Mk1, but SN1 still had dents and dings
If Mk1 never existed people would be throwing an equally large shit-fit over the shoddiness of SN1

>>11426691
>No, this was a pressure test
I guess this is why they even do pressure tests. I wonder what went wrong.

>>11426769
>I wonder what went wrong
Probably couldn't take the pressure

>>11426767
the welds shrank, but that didn't really screw up the look of the whole thing

>>11426773
A few of the ring sections didn't fit right and they had to hammer the steel over to get a weld in. They're gonna be wanting to work on that problem.

In before spacex claims they were testing it to failure

>>11426758
It’s the Texas South
There isn’t a white man for 500 miles

>>11426780
Well, whether it was intended or not, they DID end up testing it to failure.

>>11426780
Failure is one of the outcome of the test that they already anticipated. So technically, yes, they're testing it to failure.

They need something like this, but even more ridiculously big, to fit a 9m plate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFzxgSD4DRE

>>11426782
Joke all you want, but some of my family down there has better internet than me because their tiny town of 20 people made a secret fiber club, while people like me who live near a city just seethe in envy while our monopolizing ISP fucks us in our collective asshole.

>>11426677
Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same.

>>11426789
>Failure is one of the outcome of the test that they already anticipated. So technically, yes, they're testing it to failure.
i guess you can't criticize OFT, then

>>11426818
based

Reminder that SpaceX lost a bunch of expensive fully functioning Falcons when they were figuring out 1st stage recovery. This is nothing. Hopefully they will learn from this and sn2 will be good enough for the hop.

>>11426818
wait is that the SLS core stage? is it finally happenenng

>>11426821
Its a high risk, high reward project. Failure is expected in the road to building a radically different rocket than any in the history.

They could go the Boeing route and spend dozens of billions of dollars and dozens of years to build a perfect rocket. However spacex considers that a failure of itself.

>>11426818
>>11426829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blKoR6yltwU
>jan 24

how the fuck did I miss this

>>11426737
That’s what you said last time.

>>11426757
COPVs are cursed.

>>11426708
>>11426737
>SN2
Elon will rename it again to distance it from this failure.

>>11426749

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYeVnGL7fgw

Damn. The top tank shot the upper bulkhead off like a cannon.

>>11426888
Holy shit that's awesome lol

Apparently one of the houses in the village was destroyed.

Ambulances and fire and police are on scene.

>>11426891
Really? I hope no one was hurt by it.

i guessed that SN1 wouldn't fly.
i guessed wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYeVnGL7fgw

>>11426893
No one lives in the village

>>11426888
i guessed SN1 wouldn't fly.
i guessed wrong.

>>11426898
some old farts still haven't left, they're trying to get a better deal out of SpaceX

>>11426891
need proof, anon.

>>11426904
don't have to convince them to leave if they're dead

>>11426891
no, it's too far away for that to have happened

>>11426904
wrong, all the old farts sold
the only people still holding out are vacationers and real estate speculators
most of the old farts are "renting" the property back from SpaceX because SpaceX doesn't actually need them gone yet

>>11426888
so the sequence of events is:
pressurize both tanks
bottom tank fails, launches entire structure minus bottom bulkhead skywards
on landing, top tank fails, launching top bulkhead off like a cannon
wew, spicy

>>11425351
Chinas manned program is heavily based on Soyuz tech they bought from the Russians in the 1990s.

I think they wrecked their tank farm

>>11426946
good

>>11426946
All the grain was lost

wonder how far that yeeted top bulkhead went

>>11426965
it's probably in the Gulf now

>>11426760
your pic?

>>11426970
no it's Nomadd's pic

>>11426652
You don't prototype shit without blowing stuff up.

latest SN1 hardware collage

they're def learning a lot from these failures. At least.
SN2 has a bunch of parts already done, shouldn't be too long til another tank test

>>11426996
You don’t learn anything when your welds fail explosively lol

>>11426997
you find the weakest point

>>11426996
Let's hope those new welding settings and welder training pay off, I really want to see the skydive maneuver before my birthday
>>11426997
you learn that you didn't weld so good

>>11426997
Yes you do, you learn that A) That cold rolled steel might need to be a tiny bit thicker to withstand the weight of the stack. B) You might need to move shit indoors in case it's a matter of contaminated weld causing a weak spot. C) They may need better welders. D) They may need to manufacture the parts with different processes. E) The material might need longer time to settle. F) Different sections might need slightly stronger material. G) and so on.

This is how it works. Build it fast and cheap, go through the wreckage with a microscope and figure what failed afterwards and why.

>>11427008
Except the ass end of the rocket will be totally different with engines mounted

>>11427008
>F) Different sections might need slightly stronger material.
I think it's this and will cause Starship to miss it's predicted mass by quite a lot

>>11427008
>This is how it works. Build it fast and cheap, go through the wreckage with a microscope and figure what failed afterwards and why.

They're packing an awful lot of boom into those fuel tanks for being that fast and loose with their engineering.

ULA SNIPER STRIKES AGAIN

>>11427019
There's only so much you can do in a computer simulation.

>>11427023
>ULA SNIPER STRIKES AGAIN

>>11426096
swap the orbits of Mars and Venus
>>11426355
>to prospect and mine
Or if there were no rings and all that stuff fell to the ground, we could still mine it without needing fucking spaceships. I mean, rings would be kino, but it's really just a falling rock hazard.

>>11425323
While it's closer to the EU than Japan terms of ethnic differences, it doesn't have a single ethnic group dragging it down like the US does

>>11427036
Yeah, Irish-Americans are a real problem.

>>11427041

oof.

>>11427047
Build another one. You could quite easily reuse the same steel by tossing it into a smelter.

>>11426794
The ULA sniper returns!

>Be welding company
>Intentionally leave hidden gap in hull
>Keep getting contracts to build more Starships

>>11427047
Fucking RIP.

>>11427047
:(

Perhaps we should call 1-800–UR-PENIS to short this out

>>11427052
if they fail enough, they might get replaced with another company
if they succeed, they get showered with cash and get a permanent contract for hundreds of rockets

I'm concerned with how easily it failed this time. Didn't the small scale test article they built perform well? Could this be a quality control issue?

>>11426648
Seething

>>11426667
>A prototype they built in a few months broke, my dreams are ruined

Holy fuck get a job

>>11425356
Ganymede and Callisto would be good locations for colonies.

>>11426634
blame is fucking great

>>11426636
different guy, but its a really fucking good manga, highly reccomend

>>11427106
Ceres has underground water and carbon-rich surface minerals

>>11426351
Titan also has a water ocean under the outer ice shell.

>>11426503
t.spoomer

>>11427051
>ULA sabotaging SpaceX
Big if true

>>11426652
>>11426658
>>11426664
>>11426677

FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS,
IT TOLLS FOR THEE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYeVnGL7fgw&feature=emb_logo

>>11426888
The methane tank on top was visibly intact until it crashed into the ground. How did the common bulkhead survive this?

>>11427148
No idea, but Elon Musk is on suicide watch

>>11426749
Looks like a liquid vacuum leak.

I think it's time to reevaluate the possibility of 6mm+ steel.

>>11427153
>A prototype broke omg SpaceX is imploding

Please stop shilling.

>>11427172
Cope

>>11426995
uderrated post

>>11427180
this

>>11427140
"At least he died in the job. He'd have wanted it that way."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hs8uYxTJ530

http://www.telemetry.space/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

>>11427140

>>11427176
>Cope

Cope.

>>11427221
Cope

>>11426677
Wasn't this build so that the front wouldn't fall off?

>>11427259
It was, but the rear fell off this time...

>>11426677
get the settings on the welders right next time.

>>11426818
kek

>>11426995

>>11426818
>tfw when SLS

This disaster is the end of spacex and the semi-religious cult surrounding "newspace".

The embarrassing event should serve as an example to all those criticizing the decade long proven traditional practices for spaceflight and manufacturing of space vehicles.

If it works don't fix it.

>>11427320
>The embarrassing event should serve as an example to all those criticizing the decade long proven traditional practices for spaceflight and manufacturing of space vehicles.

I mean even SpaceX uses stir friction-welding and aluminium alloys to build their rockets which are actually structurally sound enough to fly, just like almost everybody else building rockets including the SLS program.

>>11427333
*friction stir welding

>>11427140
What a kino failure.

Maybe they will fire the retarded Mexicans and use skilled Aryan labour now.

>>11427362
Based

>>11427320
>reddit spacing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ix0MmrAYlFM

Do you guys think Boca Chica is the center of a Groundhog Day phenomenon, where a new Starship prototype is built, fails during pressure testing, SpaceX+Elon cope that it was purposefully tested to destruction/never going to fly and say the next version will succeed, then the whole cycle repeats again and just keeps repeating?

>>11426652
>>11426658
FOR GOD'S SAKE OPEN THE SILO DOOR
OH MY GOD WE'RE DOOMED

But seriously, SN2 needs ribs and less fucking wobbling.

>>11427396
It's obvious it's a PR scam but so far extremely poorly executed.
I'm not american so I'm not used to corporations practicing such toxic methods to acquire public money so I'm awed at how this is allowed to go on and on.
Do they have to kill someone before the authorities put a stop to that nonsense?

>>11427404
Baito desu

>>11427396
No, rocketry is just a hard business, designing and actually building rockets usually takes many failures before they actually perfect them.

>>11427403
>needs ribs
hmmm

>>11427408
Rockets are being built for 50 years and there hasn't been a case of fuel tank failures like that it's the simplest part to build of a rocket.

>>11427411
Uh.. No.

>iT waSn't sUPposed to fly anYway

>>11427414
>you can’t lose a launch vehicle if you pretend it was never meant to fly

Improvements needed for SN2:
>ribs
>a better stacking + welding technique
>more white men
Also, I think I have leads to (((why))) it blew up.

>>11427414
NASA did the same thing with the SLS apparently.

>blow up prototype
>everyone's suddenly talking about cope and the doom of spacex
lmao. They basically said they would be blowing through these. I am 0% concerned, it only means better future prototypes.

>>11427426
Oy gevalt, shut it down

>>11427426
SPACE JEWS ONLY WANT TO DELAY THE INEVITABLE

>>11427436
they dont want white people being able to spread without their control, once that happens it's over for their power

>>11427429
>NASA did the same thing with the SLS apparently.

Yes, once with a purpose-built structural test-article that was always planned to be tested to destruction, not a potential flight article.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SxbLRKGRN1w

>>11427443
Regardless, I have no doubts that they'll be able to create the starship. They were able to get the falcon 1, falcon 9, falcon heavy, and all the variations of those rockets working.

>>11427443
the amount of wasted resources in that support building.

>>11427429
SLS isn't exactly hard to beat concerning efficiency and beeing on time

>>11427432
I mean, that's how Elon does it anyway.
>usecheapest shit
>fails, switch to better welding
>fails, switch to ribbing
>fails, switch to better stacking
And so forth. I guess SS won't really be as cheap.

>>11427444
i am starting to doubt whether using steel is really a good idea. even if the next prototype works perfectly, it will be borderline impossible to get that thing capable of interplanetary travel, let alone get it human rated.

>>11427448
Can't fault the guy for trying to push down prices I guess.

>>11427443
>aiiiieeeeee at least when we blew up i-it w-was on purpose aiiiieeeee

>>11426757
anyone got a shot of this in daylight where we can see that section of the side?

>>11427450
The starship tanks and shit could probably suffice with better internal structure (ribs, lattices, etc), but I'm betting that the habitable fairing will have to have a much more substantial internal structure. A steel skin is fine, but the inside will definitely have to be like that of the dragon capsule.

>>11426636
>What's Blame?
"Blame!"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blame!

>In regard to the scale of the structure, NOiSE, the prequel to Blame!, states in its final chapter that "At one point even the Moon, which used to be up in the sky above, was integrated into The City's structure". It has been suggested by Tsutomu Nihei himself in his artbook Blame! and So On that the scale of The City is beyond that of a Dyson sphere, reaching at least Jupiter's planetary orbit (for a radius of around 5.2 AU, or 778,547,200 km); this is also suggested in scenarios such as Blame! vol. 9, where Killy finds himself having to travel through a room roughly the size of Jupiter (roughly 143,000 km).[2][3]

>>11427461
>>11427450
>>11427403
Ribs wouldn't help in this situation. In fact, they'd make things worse.

>>11427461
Most of that is just foam insulation and plastic molding over the top.

Who is this eeergo guy and why is he big dumb

>>11426636
a wild ride.

>>11427473
He's just a fud shill.

>>11427408
NASA: Space is hard
>Hurr OldSpace seethe
SpaceX: Space is hard
>Hmm yes, this is fine

>>11427477
It is though.

>>11427467
what would put in a room that big what would even be the point.

>>11427450
Steel is fine, it's the welding that's fucked, you can tell just from the color of the welds. They'll most likely fix it once they stop trying to weld it in the open and move to fully automated welding indoors

>>11427480
There is no point to the dysonsphere in blame.
It's a tier 2 civilization that got wiped out and they left the lights on, and the building machines just kept building in every direction for billions of years.
The blame universe is one of the most fubar settings in scfi, right up there with warhamer 40K

>>11427480
It means the robots encapsulated Jupiter then dismantled Jupiter, but never filled in the space where it was for some odd reason. As for what one could place in such a room, liquid storage would be on thing I guess. The entire city was built after the fall of man and the AI/robots sorta mutated and went wild do their own incomprehensible things as part of a few different factions of AI/robots while continuing to build forever.

The real question is where the fuck did they get all the mass for making something like in the pic of >>11427467 because there's not that much in the entire solar system, sun included. Though, it may be explained in the manga, since I've never read the entire thing. Perhaps they learned how to turn energy into matter or have been harvesting other solar systems.

So you’ve heard of Starship, huh? Well let me introduce you to SCRAPSHIP!

>>11427496
i think the explanation is that they somehow found a way to turn black matter into energy&materials.

>>11427503
Yikes...

>>11427503

>>11427510
>>11427503

Just ding it out and sell it for half price in elon's discount rocket sales.

go fast and break things > slow and steady

>>11427503
Bit of hammer work and some body filler and she'll tidy up right nice mate, no worries.

>>11427503

>>11425062
Don't tell the burgers this basic shit, it hurts their feelings and makes their penises flaccid.

NSF blowing up, faggot mod sperging, concern trolling and fud spreading, members sperging out telling mod he is full of it. Site owner telling people to pls play nice.

Fucking kek

>>11427549
Just this test stand >>11427443 probably cost more than everything starship related Elon has junked so far

>>11427503
>>11427510
>>11427513
Well, how long until they build another one to test it?

>>11427477
What? It would be:
NASA: Space is hard
>Yes, but why are you getting progressively worse at getting there? Your slogan doesn't explain why and you are coping.
SpaceX: Building highly pressurized tanks in the middle of a field using rudimentary welding is hard
>Hmm yes, this is fine.

I don't quite get it. Why couldn't SpaceX just stack two rings, put a top and bottom on it, and pressure test until the optimal weld process was nailed? Surely that's better?

>>11427569
Have people forgotten what Elon has reiterated over and over? If you aren’t failing you aren’t moving fast enough. The plan is to shit out starships one per day or whatever. Boca Chica will have 10x the employees a year from now per Zubrin’s conversation.

Reminds me of the early F9 landing failures.

>>11427604
They did

>>11427586
considering it takes 10 minutes to make a ring, they now have the high bay for stacking, they now have Austrian welding settings (lol), and some more sophisticated building tools, like 3wk?

>>11427610
So then Y?

>>11427605
Looks like the janny started it all, imagine my surprise, up until then it was just autistically examining photos.

>>11427569
I'm watching it unfold right now I just wish the boeing ex-pilot shareholder guy steps in too but I doubt it since he got too much btfo last year.

>>11427604
>>11427610
Twice.

>>11427638
So then why are we getting these failures?

>>11427640
I'd say snipers but unless spacex tells us what they found out we won't know until the next one's on the stand.

>>11427646
This is why they need a test silo

>>11427646
SpaceX employee here. I can't give too much information or I will get 'disappeared' like the other leaker, but it was definitely a sniper. Froyo flavors are Angel Food Cake and Mixed Berry Sorbet.

>MK1
>"This will do a hop test in 2 months"
>Explodes
>"We never intended this to fly, we did this on purpose"

>SN1
>"We intend to fly this in 2 months"
>"No wait we intend to do a static fire, not fly"
>Explodes
>"OK this one we, uh-"
>"GET READY FOR SN2 TO FLY IN JUNE!"

And I thought SLS was a scam.

>>11427646
He never misses...

>>11427665
Groundhog Starship

>>11427569
Are you drunk? Half of what you posted doesn't even make since. Perhaps you need to stop sucking on the meme teet, images (6)?

UH GUYS, CANT WE JUST STOP WITH THE FANBOYISM? EVERY SPACE PROGRAM HAS ITS SETBACKS. NO NEED FOR THIS US VS THEM MENTALITY.

remember the schadenfreude here today next time someone says this after the inevitable boeing fuckup #2452

>>11427549
SpaceX vs Blue Origin may well be a tortoise and the hare for the modern era

>>11427108
>>11427112
>Wasn't someone working on an infinite walking simulator based on Blame?
>Google
>Last updated Summer 2016

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