/sci/ - Science & Math

Heart attacks aren't contagious. If they suddenly started doing the rounds in the population you can bet there'd be panic.

Also, while a 1% mortality rate (assuming that's accurate) might not seem high, I've missed a 90% accuracy move twice in a row enough times in RPGs to know that it's not a dice roll I want to gamble my life on any more times than I already do.

Cause there's no cure for coronavirus. This is the biggest outbreak of an infectious disease that has the potential (not matter how slim) to end the world since pre-industrial times. It's not really that scary but it's a significant event.

>>11420141
>0.9% on healthy individuals
Why do you hate the unhealthy ones? They also want to live

4.8% death rate and 15% ARDS rate.

>>11420141
>death rate of barely 0.9% on healthy individuals
Because this is like having the flu on steroids and it is a big no fun time that spreads 2 weeks to everyone around you before you get sick.

>>11420141
The internet helps doomers spread panic and conspiracy theories

where are the interviews with survivors?

>>11420158
all right! H5N1 has a fatality of 60% on healthy individuals it is freaking contagious and no one is bitching about it why?

>>11420160
they'll die from a stroke anyway

I'm not worried about coronavirus. I know for sure it'll blow over. I just don't want more people to die. There have been 2704 deaths already.

>>11420176
Bird flu was big fucking news some years back. It didn't end up getting out of control on a global scale and vaccines were developed.

>>11420183
you gotta be kidding, they did the same shit with H1N1v on 2010 and it ended up having a laughable fatality rate of 0.02% and people went absolutely nuts over it

>>11420141
Air-born heart attacks would be a nightmare!

It is priceless tho to see people consulting because they are more worried about coronavirus than their 4 strokes and 3 infarcts

>>11420141

Why do you hear NOTHING from Africa?!

When the reports start rolling in from Africa, THEN the shit will hit the fan!

>>11420191
Yeah, over 10% of the world population got swine flu. If that doesn't make it newsworthy I don't know what would.

I don't see why it's hard for you to understand that a 1-3% mortality rate applied to potentially billions of people is a big pile of bodies and something that absolutely should be taken seriously. Especially when, at this point, there isn't a cure or vaccine for this coronavirus and it's likely to remain that way for at least a year.

>>11420219
because that 2-3% is calculated based on a town that fell into absolute hysteria, that number is greatly overestimated. I don't see why it's so hard for you to understand that mass hysteria plus any infectious disease equals a big pile of bodies and something that absolutely should be taken seriously but most importantly responsibly.
And if history failed to taught you that over and over again then we are truly doom.

>>11420241
How many of those 3% died because of "hysteria"?

>>11420141
Because China tried to hide it and by doing so they helped it spread.

>>11420214

>large numbers of Africans are killed "naturally", more-or-less

I'm not seeing a downside.

>>11420165
Jesus Christ, 8%? Smallpox had 30% for variola major and 1% for variola minor...

>>11420141
social conditioning, preparing your minds for the next ridiculous false flag

>>11420341
As more people get it the rate will drop. It was 19% early on. That's usually the people with shitty immune systems getting infected and succumbing quickly. The number you should look out for is the "serious or critical" % because that mean all manner of permanent shit. Like lung and testicle scarring.

>>11420141
people secretly want to an hero.

>>11420195
but well deserved

>>11420191
swine flu killed over 500000 people

>>11420468
yeah, that's the expected annual mortality burden of influenza... so what? H1N1v killed the same amount of people than any other seasonal influenza does yearly, what is so exciting about it?

>>11420141
>.9%

try 3.5%.

>>11420141
>>11420603
2800/32771=0.085441396
about 8.5% fatal
https://thevirustracker.com/

>>11420141
because its very infectious and if it infects everyone on earth 100 million people will die which is significant.

>>11420603
>>11420633
> 0.9% on healthy individuals
> healthy individuals
> people without comorbidities
> Not everyone who COVID19 have killed

>oh I'm a pretty healthy guy I'll just ignore this deadly disease

>>11420158
>If they suddenly started doing the rounds in the population you can bet there'd be panic.
Not comparable at all, that would imply the existence of some new and immediately dangerous undetected health hazard that would be very important to identify ASAP to hopefully prevent more heart attacks. We understand what covid-19 is, where it's coming from, how it's getting here, what is does, and how it spreads, and it's nowhere near as dangerous as a heart attack

>>11420641
>If something impossible happens

>>11420686
This anon is correct, apart from just washing your hands and not touching your face, the CDC also recommends constantly reading and thinking about the disease and maintaining the a consistent baseline of anxiety and stress about it

>>11420703
>constantly reading and thinking about the disease and maintaining the a consistent baseline of anxiety and stress about it

People do this because their lives are boring. I stopped reading about it like a week ago because it’s irrelevant to my life.

>>11420676
.9/8.5=0.105882353
...so only about 11% of the population is healthy without comorbidities

>>11420718

>>11420509
why don't you freak out about death from natural causes? Something you live with every year and is almost impossible to eliminate, like normal influenza deaths, will always look like it's being ignored compared to a novel disease

>>11420864
Damn this is the first wojak that really bothers me. Something about it really makes me uncomfortable, the other basedjaks don't do that. Just viscerally ugly. Like a fucked up clone of Richard Kind

>>11420864
pol in a nut shell

>UC Davis already has a case
>guy has been tubed for seven days

I fucking hate being on this part of the world. I want to go back to my comfy third world shithole.

>>11420141
Because its TWO percent. Also, 1% is freaking high.

>>11420141
You have to understand China can still be a command economy when the party decides. If it told 200 million Chinese to repaint the city in low heat paint, that’s what would happen.
There response is of course going to be over the top.
Part of the way they stay in contorl is to look strong in everything and be strong

Anyone thinking we shouldn't do anything is a fucking idiot. It spread so quickly and far because countries were to much of cucks like you to close their borders properly to protect their people.

>>11420341
we have a vaccine for smallpox.
>>11420399
Nothing indicates that it healthy people won't die: the doctor who died from it was very healthy and in his 30s.

>>11420141
Because it's highly infectious and there's no known cure.

>>11420141
Because it's literally effecting economies.
We don't even have it here in NZ yet the ass has fallen out of some of our markets as a direct result.
It's more contagious than flu and it does kill people.
How many individuals make up 0.9% of healthy people globally? What happens if this RNA virus mutates?
The measures are warranted.

>>11421072
There's no known cure for the cold either. Its called "your immune system", ours are well equipped to deal with these.

The only reason its mortality rate in china is just because their response was basically "Throw the poor people and those with low social credit in what is essentially a hole with 4 sides and let them die or get over it".
1st world nations will have drastically lower death rates because we don't view human life as being our most plentiful resource so our medical care is better.

>>11421056
So? People are far too reliant on it. This is not a computer game where people just throw enough money on it and make you lose in a predictable time. There are still many infections against which vaccines are not possible.

>>11421083
As far as I know we have death rates actually much higher than China. Chinese healthcare is top class.

>>11421083
It's a country of bullet trains, megacities, cash free payments, fingerprint locks. Fucking hole with 4 sides, where did you get that belief?

>>11421083
It's a country of bullet trains, megacities, cellphone payments, fingerprint locks. Fucking hole with 4 sides, where did you get that from?

>>11421112
That's their giant "Hospital" that they built on the spot to deal with the corona virus cases. basically a giant jail for those infected.

>>11421100
Ah yes, a country with 1.5 billion people ALL have access to top class healthcare facilities. Even the dog skinning, cat eating, poo oil cooking chinks that live in 3rd world conditions get the red carpet treatment when it comes to hospital care.

>>11421116
That one is for the less serious cases. Those in a bad condition go to a real hospital.
>>11421118
The primary outbreak is in one of the top cities. All may not have acces to it, but people in Wuhan surely do.

>>11421116
That one is for the less serious cases. Those in bad condition go to a real hospital.
>>11421118
The primary outbreak is in one of the top cities. All may not have acces to it, but people in Wuhan surely do.

It seems to em some people got the wrong impression that the outbreak happened on a provincial little city, where people live next to their animals. It's a major city, like if it happened in Paris or New York.

>>11420141
Do you want the truth?

It's a nothing burger. The hysteria is a mixture of:

>CIA/deep state trying to crash the markets (they probably even created the goddamn thing).
>Boomers panicking because they know they're fucked, and as usual all of society has to revolve around those selfish useless old leeches.
>Incels on /pol/ desperately hoping for society to end so maybe they have a shot of being the post-apocalyptic Chads

This fucking thing can't even kill babies or pregnant women. 99% of anyone who matters will be fine.

>>11421100
>Chinese healthcare is top class
Lmao no it isn't you fucking idiot.

>>11421118
Admittedly, commies were always very good at healthcare in bumfuck nowhere, can speak for soviets at least

>>11421141
Jesus Christ, do you really care about a few percent in your investment account that much that you post this bullshit that will make more people die?
The market will crash either way.
>>11421143
Yes, it is. If China cannot handle this, nobody can.

>>11421118
>>11421147
This isn't even bumfuck nowhere. It's a 10M+ city.

>>11421147
>can speak for soviets at least
are you an idiot? We have eye witness testimonies of people who managed to infiltrate soviet hospitals and the shit was on par with the us in 1890s.
You had patients left alone draining pus out of open wounds into jars full of pus, and patients wandering the halls unattended in dazes from their conditions.

soviet healthcare was nightmarishly bad.

>>11420141
Probably something to do with guns. (And "big business") but in the form of bullcrap. with a 90 percent chance of surviving an eleven percent hit ratio. Im not a mathematician but seems about like zero.

>>11421152
going to be honest, i'm hoping the market crashes; Being in a situation where i'm still at near the start of my investment for retirement and in a spot where my job is most probably in 0 danger, a crashed market would be a perfect time to double down on my investments so i don't have to invest much later in 5-10 years and can spend excess money in my paycheck on actually living.

>>11421155
My mother was practicing as a village doctor in USSR after graduating from the top medical uni, before she could pursue a more prominent position and eventually become an academic, if you even realize what it meant in USSR
it was mandated by the state, and the top hospitals were always at the distance of an ambulance trip to the city
so a question who's a misinformed idiot here stays open

>>11421166
You've given me anecdotal evidence, i've read lots of documentation of the USSR in books and papers from people NOT on the internet and thus fact checked to be correct.

I think i know which source i'm going to trust.

>>11421155
>managed to infiltrate hospitals
Fucking heroes to manage a feat like that. I cannot even imagine ho I could get into a hospital. Even the ridiculousness of the ides of somebody "infiltrating" a hospital completely discredits your claims.

>>11421168
>i've read lots of documentation of the USSR in books and papers from people NOT on the internet and thus fact checked to be correct.
do you speak the language, for starters? you aren't even worth arguing with, if you don't
your fantasies above are cute, to someone with first-hand experience

>>11421170
In most all of the cases i read the exerts of while doing papers on the USSR in college, they were usually individuals with diplomatic credentials during the glasnost period who were aided by medical or hospital staff they befriended or formed relationships with, who basically just handed them doctor's coats (as touring the hospitals was very much not something they were supposed to be doing on their diplomatic credentials) in order to walk around and view medical facilities.

>>11421172
Hey, if they're fantasies then the textbooks i had to order for the college's libraries to request sent in were fantasies.

Like I said, given literally every book on the subject I read pretty much backed each other up on the subject, i'm skeptical of someone on the internet going "Nah, the USSR was GREAT on health, SERIOUSLY!"
Especially given everything else we know about how well equipped the country was, saying one specific outlier was well funded and designed against all the documentation on being poorly funded and maintained seems unlikely.

>>11421152
>Jesus Christ, do you really care about a few percent in your investment account that much that you post this bullshit that will make more people die?
Boomers are not people, they deserve this.
I'm willing to take a market crash if it means boomers dying.

>>11420141
>he thinks we have the real death statistics from china
Not only that but please keep in mind that so far the death toll has been kept at bay because medical infrastructure and medicine stocks have been able to keep up with the spread. This is a disease that requires huge amounts of treatments (lots of medicine per patient) to momentarily cure a patient. Said patient after cured, can potentially keep spreading the virus as well as get re-infected in which case the treatment required is bigger.
As the spread stays on its exponential growth, it will put a strain and eventually collapse the medical infrastructure and that's when the kill count will sky rocket.
Failure to contain it within china means that when that happens, foreign aid will be denied as the rest of the countries will struggle with the virus.

Most importantly, the virus is alive and spreading exponentially, that means that the chances it has of mutating into something worst also grows exponentially.

Think about it like this anon:
If it was nothing, russia wouldnt have closed its borders in such a resolute and quick way. You can say whatever you like about the russians but they know the modus operandi of the communist propaganda and they dont fall for that shit.

>>11421180
>if they're fantasies then the textbooks i had to order for the college's libraries to request sent in were fantasies
If they were unironically talking about "1890s level" as you said, then yes pretty much.

>>11421170
Nou, dzisis tru. It woz beysikli imposibel to infiltreyt a rashen xospitel. My fadzer kut of xis finger in order to snik into a xospitel, got faund by dze KGB, and dzey sout xis finger bek!

Because its new.

>>11420141
Because it's in the media and therefore we must vacillate about it until the next talking point arises and we forget about the old thing

>>11421147
>A country where you used propaganda leaflets as toilet paper or you went without

Those death rates are for people who still had access to hospital care. Once hospitals are overwhelmed mortality rates will skyrocket.

>>11420941
It's a mirror, Anon.

>>11421187
+1

I was a soviet doctor the health care we provided was excellent and our facilities were actually superior to the west.

There is a lot of anti soviet anti russian propaganda printed on textbooks and whatnot. Dont believe the lies.

>>11420141
Troglodyte on the left can’t even put on goggle never mind control an outbreak

>>11421051
>imagine closing the borders for the flu

>>11421056
>the doctor who died from it was very healthy and in his 30s.
he also had to pretend to have nothing and forego treatment and getting more exposure to the virus for a month

>>11421147
>>11421143
>third worlders who never seen a reall hospital in their life think they got healthcare
l and mao

>>11421383
>People who still think china is poor unsanitary and overpopulated, instead of futuristic and far ahead anybody else technology wise.

>>11420176
It was self-limiting.

>>11421100
>Chinese healthcare is top class.

>>11421100
>Chinese healthcare is top class.
Here's your healthcare, bro.

>>11421402
i think the bushmeat got to your head chink

>>11421411

>>11421402
I say China you think quality (aloud)
CHINA

>>11420141
It gets clicks and sells news.
Thats why you have 24 hour rolling coverage with hourly updates on all major news websites

>>11421557
This, take virtually any event in the past ten years, they blow everything out of proportion. Just about everything is a nothing burger, any real news gets buried under it. Journalism has become far less about information far more about infoflation.

>>11421366
>imagine not doing it and being responsible for at least an epidemic

>>11422424
>imagine unironically burning hundreds of billions of dollars for a fucking flu

>>11422758
>imagine burning everything you ever knew because you were scared that people would say you're overreacting

social media

>>11422806
what the fuck are you even talking about mong

>>11420691
not necessarily my man. everyone is obviously highly unlikely but even half, or a third of the world would be significant. here in aus, the government has announced worst case plausible scenario is 50% of country gets infected.

>>11420399
Most of the deaths are Chinese numbers. You really going to trust that?

>>11421557
>>11421831
>Nothing ever happens ever

Now what would you say if a really bad event would actually happen? You don't have to trust journalists to get how severe this POTENTIALLY could be. Just look at the data we have and compare it to previous events.

>>11420633
It takes longer time to fully recover, fact is 1 month ago the death to recovered ratio was at 30%, it'll end up around 2-4%, It already is if you don't count wuhan.

And most of the deads are over 80.

>>11421338
Compare life expectancies over the same time period between the USSR and the US. I wouldn't be surprised if it was more efficient at primary care than the western model but if shit starts to go wrong I'd imagine the western model is substantially better.

>>11420141
It's all part of China's master plan to destabilize the rest of the world. It's working better than expected.

I hate it when leftypol visits /sci/...

>>11422844
Better safe than sorry, imbecile. People are way too quick to play this down because the last times, either the sickness wasn't that bad (bird flu) or the containment measures worked (SARS) but people said "well it wasn't a pandemic after all".

>>11420141
it's something we can prevent.
if the cause of all heart attacks was a virus you can bet your ass we'd be shutting down the economy if it meant stopping the spread

>>11420241
>because that 2-3% is calculated based on a town that fell into absolute hysteria
The fact that it was in China should tell you that the death tolls were much higher.
Even the US government is regulating corona related announcements by medical organisations now.

It's just a flu guys, that's why people are being welded into their homes
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>>11420141
CFR isn't actually a fixed number, Wuhan shows the number can get much higher if the spread gets overwhelming.
Which is likely, considering how contagious this virus is.

>>11420159
End the world? Lol what ridiculous hyperbole

>>11421180
Post your sources or fuck off
>the books I‘ve read
Is anecdotal evidence. Tard

>>11421100
Bro, these roots and rhino horn will cure virus and make peepee big.

>>11422758
The flu has less than a .02% mortality rate, and we have vaccines for it.
This has a 2-5% mortality rate, and can REINFECT people who've been "cured" of it.

>>11423257
Hey, it WAS a bio-weapon that leaked out of their facility after all.
Even if they accidentally hit themselves first with it, its going to do its job well for them.

>>11420468
The flu kills 12+ million a year. 500,000 with a 7 billion people is a rounding error

>>11420214
>Why do you hear NOTHING from Africa?!
They don't have the means to detect it, let alone try to treat/contain it

can all you faggots shut the fuck up holy shit if you don't live in china you're going to be fucking fine jesus christ

this is literally 2014's ebola scare except 200x gayer

>>11423959
Dude. Its exploding in Iran and italy right now. That's why people are freaking out. it got "out" and its spreading fast now. And Iran's death rate is utterly horrendous.

The reason people are scared now is that its only a short hop and skip from the rest of the world into us now. and There's indications that people picked it up in italy and brought it back to the US.

>>11423942
nonsense, flu doesn't kill that many

>>11423955
We have heard it from africa, Iran is part of africa.

>>11423989
lolno, murrican.

>>11420141
>0.9%
If it effected the whole the death toll would be 72 million causalities.

>>11424065
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3052775/coronavirus-dog-hong-kong-covid-19-patient-tests

fucking hell

>>11423475
>bird flu
>60% death rate
>not that bad
i think you got mixed up with the swine flu

>>11423835
>The flu has less than a .02% mortality rate, and we have vaccines for it.
only people with one foot in the grave needs vaccination BIG FUCKING DEAL

>can REINFECT
i think you meant "could possibly maybe , probably not tho"

>>11424175
Oof, you're right. Screwed up.

>>11420158
>.9%=1% = 19%
wew lad

>>11420158
>Heart attacks aren't contagious.
>majority of population is feeding on plant based oil thus the heart attacks
>its ok its not infections

>>11421028
>I want to go back to my comfy third world shithole.
please do

>>11421083
>1st world nations will have drastically lower death rates because we don't view human life as being our most plentiful resource so our medical care is better.
How many corporations have a department of human resources?