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>>11413155
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>>11413155
>About to order a sandwich in a restaurant without menus
>Realize I need to go to the bathroom and take a 5 minute break
>Come back and other some pasta when the waitress asks what I want
>Remember 5 minutes later I realize that I was supposed to order a sandwich
>Notice that I had used my free will to change my mind as a negligible amount of influences outside of my own will changed the order from a sandwich to pasta
>Post this shocking experience on an anonymous gun chewing forum to dab on determinist sois

>>11413225
Based

>>11413225
>Free will exists because I changed my mind

Holy fuck you’re dumb.

>>11413155
>People are only products of what they are exposed to.

>>11413155

It's a matter of defining 'you'. If you are not your body with all its molecules and their interaction, then 'you' don't exist. So talking about doing anything is a non-starter. The same logic can be applied to anything. For instance, does the wind rustle the trees? No, because there is no wind, it's only air molecules moving about. The wind has no control over its environment because its made up of molecules. That is absurd. The wind IS a collection of air molecules. Just as human beings ARE collections of molecules.

Of course, if we define 'you' the same way we define 'wind' or anything else made of stuff, then we can suddenly talk about agency and cause and effect. You do exert some control over your environment, your psychology, and your biology.

>>11413155

It's not that we don't have free will. It is that free will, defined as freedom from external and internal physical constraints, is a totally meaningless concept, utterly incomprehensible, unintelligible, certainly not scientific in any way. (It may be a useful concept in terms of fundamental metaphysics, as in the set of all sets of reality having no possible external constraint, but that is way out there and is not science.)

Perhaps we could create a scientific definition of free will in psychological/neurobiological terms. That would be interesting.

If free will really exists leave this site and never come back. Can't do that huh? :)

>If free will really exists leave this site and never come back. Can't do that huh? :)

>>11413170
lolwut

>>11413350
At least he's not a queer like you

>>11413225
Dabbing on these nihilistic determinist redditors

>>11413225
Holy shit just how does he do it

>>11413350
>>Free will exists because I changed my mind during a time of having a negligible environmental factors
>B-BUT THE FLY YOU SAW IN THE CORNER OF THE ROOM CHANGED YOUR MIND!!! NOO!!! YOU CAN'T BE AN AGENT OF FREE WILL BECAUSE IM NOT ONE!!!"