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Can anyone help me solve this using spherical coordinates to find a general solution or give me a link to where a general solution is solved step by step?

Normal boundary conditions and initial conditions, except that it is only the lower half of the hemisphere (centered at the origin) and that the temperature along the radius is µ and in the xy-plane (where the sphere was cut) is µ.

>> No.1141211

ps. that alpha should be squared

>> No.1141237

if you sub in alpha = F(r,ø,θ) T(t) where T(t) is a function of time and F(r,ø,θ) is a a spatial function in spherical coordinates, you can simplify it to:
(1/F) Grad^2(F) = (1/alpha^2) (1/T) ∂T/∂t
then set each of those equal to k^2

This gives you your T(t) = Ae^(k^2[(alpha)^2]t)

>> No.1141250

Then set F(r,ø,θ) = R(r) Ø(ø) Θ(θ) and expand out the Grad^2(F) in spherical coordinates and use separation of variables.

This will let you get to (1/Ø) ∂^2Ø/(∂ø)^2 = J^2
From there:
Ø(ø) = Asin(Jø)+Bcos(Jø) but Ø(ø) = Ø(ø+2π) so J=m where m is an integer
Ø(ø) = Asin(mø)+Bcos(mø)

>> No.1141254

>>1141250
yes but if ø is around the z-axis, then it will not have any ø dependence so m=0 so sin(0) = 0 and cos(0) = 1 so Ø(ø)=B

>> No.1141267

yeah, then continue with the separation of variables so you get
(1/Θ)(1/sin(θ))∂/∂θ(sin(θ)∂Θ/∂θ) = k^2r^2 - (1/R)∂/∂r(r^2 ∂R/∂r)

>> No.1141279

Then use the Legendre Equation to get Θ(θ) = PL(cos(θ)) where PL is the Lth Legendre Polynomial

>> No.1141306

Holy...Shit.

>> No.1141326

set the right side of that equation with bothe the thetas and the rs equal to L(L+1) [which you got from the thetas part equaling a constant] and expand it out.

>> No.1141330

i know you have to use the method of frobenius to get the R(r) terms, and that R=∑[n=0->∞] (an)r^(n+s) where an is the nth coefficient and does not equal zero. Take two derivatives of this with respect to r and plug that into the equation.

>> No.1141346

now the part that throws me off is when you expand it all out and make them all have an r^(n+s) term in them you have ∑[n=2 -> ∞] for the k^2 term and from 0 to ∞ for all the others, the problem is, setting n=0 and solving for s, i get s=L or s=-L-1 and when i set n=1 i get s=-L-2 or s=L-1 but that means that s is a different number in each case so there is no solution, where am i going wrong?

My idea is that afterwards, find a recursive solution for a(n-2) in terms of an to solve for k^2 to put that back into the time portion of T(t) = e^(k^2[(alpha)^2]t) and also to solve for R(r)

>> No.1141367

>>1141346
Wow are you fucking serious? That shit is the easy part. Actually, this whole question is fucking easy mode. Fuck, I could probably do this in high school.

>> No.1141372

>>1141367
so whats the answer for R(r) and how do you get it?

>> No.1141377

>>1141372
Fuck you, NO HOME WORK THREADS. Idiot.

>> No.1141378

>>1141367
Agreed, heat equation is easy shit!
Also, yeah that alpha is fine the way it is, dont worry about it (it SHOULDN'T be squared for the standard heat equation)

>> No.1141379

>>1141377
lol, its not a homework problem, something i decided to work on on my own, sorry if you aren't good enough at this to help me :(

>> No.1141385

>>1141379
Trying to use reverse phschology are, we?

>> No.1141394

>>1141385
trying to spell are we? no but seriously, do you have a link to an answer for this then if its so easy?

>> No.1141419

>>1141394
Again, I'm not going to do your home work.

>> No.1141429

>>1141419
again, its not homework

>> No.1141452

anyone know this stuff and feel like helping?

>> No.1141463

alright after trying it around for abit, I suggest trying to take the dervivative and then multiply that of the function for r.

>> No.1141489

take the derivative of what?

So far i have it in the form:

-k^2 ∑[n=2 ->∞] a(n-2) r^(n+s) -L(L+1)∑[n=0 ->∞] an r^(n+s) +2∑[n=0 ->∞] an(n+s) r^(n+s) +∑[n=0 ->∞] an (n+s) (n+s-1) r^(n+s) =0

>> No.1141533

and then setting n=0 i get s=L or s= -L-1
and setting n=1 i get s= -L-2 or s= L-1
and there should be at least one common one for s in both cases

>> No.1141786

wolframalphadotcom, enter it in, or use matematica