/sci/ - Science & Math

I can't wait to see NASA defunded in just 1 year's time :)

THERE GOES MY HERO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2HT5k20yfg

>>11409247
>NASA gets defunded
>US military picks up the scraps and puts them to good use
>SpaceX and Blue Origin continue on wards to send people BEO
eh, could be worse.

>>11409247
good, less government bullshit for SpaceX to wade through

>>11409252
>>11409253
SpaceX and Body Odor will get hit by a huge corporate tax and will become noncompetitive right as the Chinese get their reusable rocket going :)

I judge it to be highly probable that bernout poster is just flat earth poster using a new tact since his last few valueless trash posts got zero replies. Come on guys, see an absolutely nonexistent effort post with a copy/pasted image? Don't fucking reply to it, we're supposed to be big brain boys here.

>>11409244

>>11409275
Was thinking the same thing. Anyone who can't see it's disingenuous bait deserves to be baited though

>>11409275
How about we talk about RITA? A.K.A. 60s nuclear Starship.

>>11409251
RIP. I honestly thought the rocket was supposed unmanned.

>>11409285
I honestly can't find much regarding RITA, here's a cute Kliper instead. Tell us all something about RITA.

>>11409260
>china shill
AHA, now get coronavirus and die.
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>>11409301
Honestly, that Atomic Rockets page and the report it links to is all I could find of RITA. It's an interesting concept though as it aims to achieve what Starship aims for generally, but from a different direction. What I think is interesting is that the reusable aspect of it isn't tied to it's nuclear propulsion. So, in theory, it could've been NASAs star reusable vehicle to replace the Saturn I and V instead of the Shuttle. The engine would have to be replaced with something non-nuclear (like a J-2), which would hurt it's payload performance, but it could still work as a space transportation system in some alternate history universe.

Kliper is kute though.

>>11409318
based

How could expandable modules be utilized? I believe they could be mounted between an 18m Starship's habitable fairing and fuselage, creating more space for crew and life support systems. P-trusses could then be installed and welded onto the compounded ship for keeping the entire thing rigid. As a final step, the entire structure could be outfitted with orbital weapons and sensory instruments.
It could be a truly revolutionary step for the US space force.

>>11409301

It is so frustrating to know how chronicaly underfunded Roskosmos is. Imagine what they could do with a real budget.

>>11409340
Bankrupt their nation again pursuing dead end projects or funnel it all to oligarchs
or both

>>11409360
Shit rocket but a pretty badass lawndart

>>11409360
>when the chute deployed way too early and got eaten up by the exhaust
Holy shit! Was he even aware of what was happening?

>>11409360
Hi I'm mad Mike and welcome to jackass

>>11409360
>not having a reserve chute
Solid 8/10 on the Soyuz 1 scale otherwise

>>11409332
I can see the technology being used to make lunar or martian caves/lava-tubes habitable.

Cancel SLS. Build Sea Dragons.

>>11409332
Expando-hab's current claim to fame is that they give substantially more habitable volume per ton of material, are substantially more compact for launch, and are more durable (in terms of dealing with wear and tear) and more radiation safe than aluminum can habs. In the near future they can be considered superior to can-habs in every possible metric, in the middle future they'll be relegated to projects that need rapidly deployed habitats, as in the middle future launchers will likely be so large that the need for autistic volume and mass control will not be so dire, allowing for large quantities of raw structural components to be launched directly to the desired destination. At that point prefabricated habs will be relegated to the auxiliary role, somewhere for you to live until the primary hab is done being constructed.

Bigelow and Sierra Nevada Corp are the ones to watch right now, SNC is more well known for designing Dreamchaser but they also have a true inflato-hab, much thinner and more delicate looking than the Bigelow habs but this means that their internal volume will come at an even cheaper mass and launch volume cost. As Von Braun originally imagined, you could always add rigid metal panels or thick insulation+shielding layers to the outside after the hab has been inflated.

>>11409424
based

>>11409426
Speaking of SNC's Hab, here's a little presentation about it, explaining some of it's features.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esSiQicVDck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANfC6o0urOA

>>11409391
I’ve always wondered what the colorized version of this would look like.

>>11409367
Previous flights show the chute deploying about three seconds after thrust cut off. It probably took him another three seconds to first consider and then fully realize that the chute is not deploying. This leaves him with approximately seven seconds worth of solid FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK before instant death.

>>11409424
holy fuck based

>>11409424
We could literally have this if we tried. Think about that. We could be on every hard terrestrial body in the solar system for the price of that retarded bailout and shit like that.

>>11409501
What's this?

>>11409510
Arcology. It's nothing to do with space.
I clicked the wrong image.

>>11409506
>implying capitalist dogs would ever do such things if first they did not find labor there to exploit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaHwzXJEcUQ

>>11409512
Looked like a neat concept for a space station at least.

>>11409526
It really does.
You could probably reuse parts of the design.

>>11409530
It makes me sad that the groundwork for these types of missions and infrastructure were made so long ago, while we were told for years that it was simply too expensive to do, only to have SpaceX come by and show that space flight can be done much more cheaply.

>>11409534
It's incredibly expensive.
But it's all doable. You need someone with enough passion to make it reality.

...or you need an enemy (China) to frighten us into action.

>>11409506
Sea dragon was just a meme

>>11409546
Not if we put our heads into it

>>11409546
A meme but also a dream.

>>11409546
Don't let your memes be dreams.

>>11409551
You can't trick me into sticking my head into a giant bell nozzle again!

>>11409519
Precisely why the world needs replicants

>>11409546
I think it would be more accurate to say it's engine was probably a meme, probably would have needed a cluster of huge engines akin to the F1 on steroids. It might have ended up being more conical in shape like a supersized N1 or Nova rocket, but in principle it would fill the same function of a superheavy lifter. It's well within the structural capability of conventional steel, and very soon there will be advances in battery technology which would even make mechanically simple electric turbomachinery on the large scale practical. There are now newer methods for rocket design that have made the bells of the Apollo era obsolescent, and SpaceX is pushing on ahead with a mostly-steel rocket design which will likely give rise to a lot of necessary learning about how to build a very large mass produced rocket from the stuff.

>>11409561
Imagine the combustion instability.

https://twitter.com/elijahcarlstrom/status/1231355166550609920?s=21

>>11409561
>and very soon there will be advances in battery technology which would even make mechanically simple electric turbomachinery on the large scale practical.
It might be easier to just stick with gas generator turbines but make them bigger, simpler, and cheaper.

>>11409567
There are a couple new injector designs since the F1 was first thought up, and one thing we have that they didn't is computer software which can accurately model much of the interaction inside of a rocket bell, as well as an increasing number of increasingly good evolutionary iteration programs which can take an existing part and optimize it over hundreds or thousands of slight iterations to achieve improved performance. The F1 required some extra components to deal with combustion instability but it is fundamentally still not near the upper limit of what conventional rocketry will allow in terms of bell size. That limit will be somewhere bellow the Sea Dragon's bell diameter, but nobody can know how low until somebody designs an incredibly detailed computer model, or a real life model to test it.

tank section is 46,200kg (maybe lb)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YNvxqArGsQ

>>11409501
Ah yes, rigid design parameters for an entire city. Truly the way city planning was supposed to be...
*molests daughter*

>>11409576
Poor F1b got fucking done dirty by shit-rocket-boosters and their lobby, fuck them, we could have seen the next generation of Apollo engines fly but for those fucking suicide stick giant fireworks. ree.

>>11409588
these comms are great
>random Mexican guy all of a sudden says "we gotta spin it like.... ninety degrees"

>>11409360
If he was an intelligent human being he would have just built a small unmanned solid rocket that launched off a high alitutude ballon and took photos with a camera before deploying a chute for him to recover and go look at the photos and btfo his schizo delusions.

>>11409588
>@19:20
wew

>>11409277
What's disingenuous about it?

>>11409251
what a legend.

>>11409606
It could be that he wasn't a flattie, and just lied so he could get donations from flatties to fund his project.

>All these commentators trying to figure out what elon meant by the "Persuador" hammer

Kek their white collar is showing.

>>11409616
just hit it with the fucken hammer cunt

>>11409251
Today, the earth is a tiny bit smarter than it was yesterday.

>>11409360
>My First Kerbal Staging.webm

For me it's Space Mountain, the patrician's space ride

>>11409785
Comfy

>>11409788
>tfw you'll never go hover camping with your space bros

>>11409360
rip in peace mad mike

>>11409360
The absolute madman actually killed himself. When he first started I didn't think he'd actually fly with it but here we are.

>>11409360
rip you mad cunt

>>11409360
I'm pretty sure you could get to a higher altitude than that in an elevator.

>>11409285
>everything closely hugging the reactor core
Amazing.

So what happened to B1056?

>>11409358
>Bankrupt their nation again pursuing dead end projects
You can thank Politburo and Soviet military for that, not space program designers. Also for the retarded moon race which wasn't really a race since it was designed to lure them when they were distracted by building ICBMs. Had they stick to their original Venus flyby plan, without trying to repurpose a Venus spaceship-building rocket for a moon mission, we'd probably have seen it by 80s.

In general, Soviet designers had much saner and more pragmatic views, and really intended to make a Solar System manned exploration program or at least a step towards it, before the JFK speech. Small spaceplanes which actually made sense unlike huge jumbos riding a powder keg which had to be reassembled after a flight. Automated routine operations where it made sense. Multiple launch LEO spaceship assembly and Venus flyby as the first step in Solar System exploration (before the surface conditions were known), without a single-launch moon landing race which didn't have any practical point besides propaganda. Long-term biomedical experiments in zero g which they never stopped to perform unlike NASA. If you think about it, they had all the pieces for such a flyby by the 80s, even with the Buran and moon race as a huge waste of resources. All it needed was the political will.

Glorious Russia rockets always 50 years ahead of american rockets xaxaxaxa

>>11409506
I don't think it was possible as envisioned. Seawater and rocket engines mix poorly, open ocean waves and fragile constructions mix even poorer. (transporting it fully submerged would probably have been much easier). Rocket-powered torpedoes have their bunch or issues that don't allow them to scale, for example. Also a scrubbed launch would have been a nightmare, etc etc

>>11409360
F

>>11409360
Turns out it's not the space that's hard, it's the earth

Anyone know where I can get the high quality presentation files (or images at least) for Zubrin's Direct 2 presentation? Specifically the ISDC 2019.

>the spacecraft """bounces off the atmosphere"""

>>11410028
Send him an email I guess.

>>11410034
it's doable
they typically mean "fails to deorbit and returns to space to make an uncontrolled reentry the next time around but in the middle of nowhere this time" when they say it

>>11409360
>didn't check coupling order before launching
rookie mistake

>>11410076
The earth may not be flat, but Mad Mike is.

>>11409360
He became flat

>>11409318
That is less effective than you'd imagine. The ones hired to troll don't get booted for seeing your banned words list.

>>11409360
>“Mad” Mike Hughes, 64, died on Saturday near Barstow, California, after a rocket that he had built and crashed into the ground on private property at approximately 1:52 p.m. on Saturday near Highway 247, according to the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/daredevil-dies-homemade-rocket-crashes-desert-filming-tv/story?id=69157084

What a ginormous moron. Remember, he was sponsored for this too, so he's not the only moron involved.

>rocket was supposed to launch Hughes 5,000 feet into the air, clearing the Karman Line, the border between Earth's atmosphere and outer space.
5,000 feet huh? Top kek.

>>11410140
that entire article is about China's domestic censorship, not the work they do on foreign forums

>>11410034
>the rock "skips off the water"

>>11410151
You think that part would be "exposed"?

>>11410150
if the CIA and such wanted to effectively combat it then public outreach and education would be the best way to do it

>>11410150
>“In a cosmic quest to explore the final frontier on a shoe-string budget, Mike Hughes and Waldo Stakes have built a steam powered rocket that will launch “Mad Mike” 5,000 feet into the air,” said an article on the Science Channel, owned by the Discovery Channel, that has since been updated to confirm Hughes’ death. “As ground-breaking and awe-inspiring as this event will be, it is only the first step towards an even more ambitious goal in space exploration.”
That entire article, man. It was a literal fucking water heater with the safety valve blocked off and a nozzle installed. It was about as "Ground breaking" as installing a fucking toilet.
But he did break a bit of ground on impact at least, the fucking retard.

so just for posterity:
we call the fabrication shelters "tents" and the high bay "the shed" right

>>11410164
Mythbusters already did this in one of their moronic """science""" experiments.

>>11410160
What?

>>11410171
uh whoops I wanted >>11410160 to reply to >>11410157
my bad, don't know how that happened, I hope my handler isn't too mad

>>11410171
Yeah that concept is not exactly a new one. Gotta admire that KSP rookie staging though, fuck me.

>>11410171
there's an entire newspace startup built around using this sort of thing as a reusable zeroeth stage booster, they call themselves ARCAspace

>>11410177
Gypsyspace. Hide your satellite shielding.

>>11410180
it's true, they're romanian

>>11410019

>>11409477
the same

>>11410181
>Romanian Cosmonautics and Aeronautics Association, also known as ARCAspace, is an aerospace company based in Las Cruces, New Mexico, United States
I've been to Romania and know it would be a shitty place to start a space company, but New Mexico? come on

>>11410346
>but New Mexico? come on

Their not the only commercial space company operating out of NM

>>11410378
NM is Spaceport America, right?
who the fuck thought that was a good idea, it's not even on a coast

>>11410378
New Mexico is such a shitty state. Not surprised they could only get two European companies to come and open shop.

>>11410382
>who the fuck thought that was a good idea, it's not even on a coast

New Mexico may not be useful for orbital launches, but due to the abundance of empty space, it’s the place to be for suborbital and sounding rocket launches (which is what Spaceport America is really geared towards). Not only is Spaceport America home to VG, it also hosts other smaller commercial space ventures such as EXOS Aerospace and regularly holds large sounding rocket competitions like the Spaceport America Cup (the world’s largest student rocketry competition). Furthermore, just because things don’t launch to orbit from NM, doesn’t mean they don’t return from orbit to NM: White Sands is Starliner’s preferred landing zone and was once used for landing a Space Shuttle.

>>11410414
>New Mexico may not be useful for orbital launches
It's actually fine for Spiral/Dreamchaser type spaceplanes, because they need to divert to an airstrip in case of the in-flight abort.

>>11410150
Boomer tech

>>11410150
>Mike "The Lawn Dart" Hughes

>>11409785
I remember when Disney was actually a company of hope, not a gargantuan Monopoly run by minecraft villagers.

>>11410466
>Mike "The Earth may not be flat but I sure am" Hughes
>Mike "Where we're going we won't need chutes" Hughes
>Mike "What Staging?" Hughes
>Mike "Loose Chute" Hughes
>Mike "Bloody Shoes" Hughes
>Mike "My Drill is the Drill that will Pierce The Earth" Hughes
>Mike "A true man never dies... even when he's killed" Hughes
>Mike "One small splat for a boomer, one giant leap for all mankind" Hughes

>>11409906
Who knows. They haven't said anything afaik

>>11410502
Alas, it was a better time. They did almost as much for the inspiration of spaceflight as Apollo did. Disney used to be so based. Now their theme parks are all that's left, and those are quickly being raped into submission as well.

https://youtu.be/eXIDFx74aSY

Based Wernher

>>11410414
Apparently the dust from the only landing at White Sands was a PITA as they continued to find some in the shuttle during the following missions (well until STS-107 I guess...)

>>11410625
could the breakup be prevented if they filled the wing cavity with leftover white sands sand?

>>11410655
No, but there might be better results by filling the head cavities of NASA management with white sands sand.

>>11410701

>>11410378
space x has killed this

>>11410150
>5,000 feet into the air, clearing the Karman Line
Tibet is now officially a space station.

>>11410729
>implying they didn't kill themselves
well at least that one pilot did

>>11409360
F

>>11410746
oh wait this isn't an Elon glamour shot of Starship in High Bay 1

>>11410751
Wait a minute...
>Astronaut Farmer takes place in Texas
>SpaceX has Boca Chica, Texas
>Both are building rockets out of steel using relatively simple construction
>Both had to fight the government to allow their private ventures into space
>Both have close ties with NASA
We might be onto something here.

>>11410729
It's not like they sabotaged their safety culture, or held them at a gunpoint making them change the engine twice.

>>11410729
>>11410768
SpaceX isn’t in the same market as VG. Also, what’s been happening with SPCE recently suggests the opposite...

>>11410776
that's a meme

>>11410776
Yes they are. VG's entire shtick is getting affluent retards up into the edge of space. SpaceX just partnered with that one company to use Dragon's to do that exact same thing.

>>11410758
DC-X should have his hair on fire though, and there should be a part of dismembered body parts instead of the grasshopper

>>11410758
Nice, but Jeff Who really needs to shave.

>>11410781
a pile*

>>11410780
>15 minutes in free-fall
>5 days in orbit
>exact same thing

>>11410782
>Jeff Who is a bald ass motherfucker, he pissed on my fucking girlfriend.

>>11410786
That's basically my point. SpaceX can do what VG's entire marketed goal has been, but for longer and probably the exact same price point.

>>11410781
>a pile of dismembered body parts

Challenger?

there’s always that one guy in group projects.

>>11410807
what is this?

>>11410801
Columbia was the one with all the dismemberent

>>11410809
looks like the Romanians

>>11410801
I mean that the Grasshopper blew itself apart.

>>11410818
That was just a rapid in flight dismantling. It's a feature of all new designs.

>>11410780
>>11410786
>>11410800
Are you all pretending to be retarded by ignoring the low-hanging fruit that is the price difference between the two? A Crew Dragon flight will put you back $30 to $52 million depending who you have as broker, whilst a VG flight will cost $250,000. That’s what I meant by different markets...

>>11410843
By the time Virgin Galactic is actually carrying passengers, people will be able to make jaunts past the moon on Starship for similar prices

>>11410809
>>11410807
boring co, new boring machine

>>11410861
imagine getting to hang out with your digging bros building machines to dig big holes and hanging out in the holes and talking about bro stuff in the dig holes while the machine digs more holes

>>11409251
now what did he do?

>>11410866
I don't know, sounds very boring.

>>11410875
turns out the firmament is only at like 800 feet

>>11410875
forgot to check his staging

>>11410875
Soyuz 1 but with steam

>>11410886
Why did he use steam anyways?

>>11410906
because it's just a water heater with a special valve attached

>>11410876
hahahaahahahahahaha good one carlos!!!

>>11410414
>suborbital and sounding rocket launches
why though? why is this a thing?

>>11410547
>that video
i'm almost crying. 19fucking55.

>>11410936
It's sad to think of all the great engineers who were willing and capable of exalting humanity to interplanetary status, but were beat down by administration changes and budget cuts.

>>11410876
shut up carlos

>>11409251
Can someone explain to me why he had to use himself to "observe the icewall" or whatever, and not just a camera? Then i'd just be a broken cam and some rocket pieces spread out over the desert and not 75 kg of minced retard and his underperforming water heater

>>11410963
it's the breadth of ambition and the almost naive (in hindsight) understanding of how computers and nuclear would develop.

>>11410976
the whole flat earth retardation comes from the idea that they need to see something with their eyes to believe it's real

>>11410921
Because suborbital and sounding rockets are much easier for amateurs and small companies to make.

>>11411004
but who pays for that, as a business model? what benefit does suborbital bring to anything besides maybe testing in-house rocketry?

>>11410921
What a dumb question, why is anything a thing? Probably because you only know about overhyped use cases mass media feeds you.
Not everything needs a proper orbit, and it's orders of magnitude cheaper. NASA even uses balloons and jets to carry telescopes, no launch vehicle + spacecraft platform will match the price for a long time.

>>11411019
Experiments, mostly. Anything that only needs several minutes of space environment and zero g.

>>11411019
weather observations, science

Tick tock spacecucks. All of your incel "maybe I can go to a planet where women will fuck me" fantasies and big phallic wastes of money are going away, and then we're going to start working on the real future.

https://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-science-and-technology/

>>11411019
>"what benefit does suborbital bring to anything besides maybe testing in-house rocketry?"
>tfw want to make sounding rockets so I can have an excuse to make home-made rocket engines

Expanding on >>11411060’s post, sounding rockets are often used for experiments studying the upper parts of Earth’s atmosphere. They can also be used to individually test components for bigger assemblies; for example, NASA has tested supersonic parachutes for Mars landers using sounding rockets.

>>11411019
if you get up to a couple hundred kilometers you get minutes of zero-g instead of just the seconds you get on a parabolic atmospheric flight

>>11411074
If Sanders gets elected we’ll be praying that Congress maintains NASA’s budget, rejecting the inevitable cuts.

>>11411074
>>11411091
>the guy who is adamantly for increasing spending across the board is going to do budget cuts

Are you guys retarded?

>>11411091
the prayer should be that SpaceX and BO are far enough along that they don't need to rely on NASA contracts anymore and congress doesn't get in the way of commercialized space exploration. Once they're at full capabilities, most of their dealings will be with the military anyway and every time a president runs for office and says they're going to do this or that with the military, they inevitably end up letting them do whatever they want.
Guantanamo still open? Soldiers still in the middle east? I guess the reality of the situation doesn't set in until they actually get briefed.

>>11411091
The most he can probably do with NASA is get Artemis cancelled, and maybe have some of the flagship programs get reduced in scope. The SLS lobby will guarantee that the orange rocket will still be built and flown.

>>11411102
Bernie has consistently been against any budget increases for NASA and supports budget cuts for the space agency. His expressed views have been anti-space flight and hasn't changed.

>>11410990
Don't you?

what's the deal with private space being shit at naming their spaceships
>starship
>starliner
>SpaceShipTwo
very lame

>>11411118
of course not, I'm not a retard

>>11411118
things such as the existence of global government conspiracies I hold to a lesser standard of proof. If you can only trust that which you see with your eyes, how can you trust your eyes to begin with? It's useless to set such a standard for proof because after a small amount of thought you must conclude that nothing can be proven.

>>11410914
A solid motor would be simpler and more reliable than this contraption.

>>11411120
Elon's real name for it is seriously Big Fucking Rocket and Starship is him being petulant with PR over it.

>>11411120
The Delta Clipper was a cool name though.

>>11411131
it's just a Doom reference for nerd cred

>>11411134
so was Venturestar, but it's lame that the ships that are actually going to be flying have such bland names

>>11411134
Wait, TLC used to show cool shit like this?

>>11411125
So if someone tells you they have rainbowdash from MLP in their bedroom, you'll 100% believe without seeing?

>>11411142
Yeah, TLC and NatGeo used to be kino.

>>11411142
The Learning Channel used to be good, yes
then juden got their claws on it

>>11411144
of course not, I'm not a retard
I'm talking about physics and math, not schizos

>>11411149
Now its just midges, fat people, Honey Booboo and "Sex sendt me to the ER"....

>>11411074
SHUT THE FUCK UP JANNY

>>11411154
The poney is made of dark matter and can't be detected. Do you believe it now?

>>11411142
Yes. They had a whole documentary on space flight. Specifically Extreme Machines Volume 2. I used to watch this so much as a kid. I'd watch this until I got tired of having to rewind the VHS tapes for the day.

I think this is a clip from it. It's been so long since I've seen it, but that voice sounds familiar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzXcTFfV3Ls

>>11411156
based

>>11410883

>>11411074
>2015
>$1500bn in various welfare programs
>vs
>$18 for all NASA programs
>yearly
>But that's not enough, gotta gets that fat $18bn
>to pay for a puff from a single cigarette and maybe a quarter sip of malt liquor for every welfare recipient
Yeah, I'm sure all that "vast money" spent on moving humanity forwards will be well spent on "Earth First".

>>11411187
Just kill NASA off already. It's not like other agencies elsewhere can't do it. Muricans only managed to do anything at all because they imported all of the third reich scientists and didn't have to rebuild.

>>11411197
>relying on the esa
we're fucked

>>11411197
>Just kill NASA off already. It's not like other agencies elsewhere can't do it.

What agencies?

>>11411200
Yeah, hope you like sounding rockets and relying on the Russians.

>>11411205
>the Russians
we're fucked

>>11411113

NASA is and has always been trash tho.

>>11411211
What's the alternative? They're not opening up BEO to private corporations or people. That shit just isn't happening.

>>11411211
>always been trash tho

What’s ‘good’ when the best is apparently “trash”?

>>11411216
>They're not opening up BEO to private corporations or people
When Trump gets reelected, he'll let them do whatever they want as long as they put an American flag on their rockets

>>11411221
Don't be a fucking clown. Whether he's re-elected or not, he's never doing that.

>>11410512
cringe

>>11411218
>when the best
A few years ago the best treatment for stomach ulcers was removing the entire stomach. Now we have proton pump inhibitors. Something better than NASA will come along. NASA is boomer-tech.

We are too late anons, the pandemic is spreading, in a few millions years some alien race will pas our rock and not a trace will be left of us outside of some crap electric roadster.

>>11411233
it's a bad cold m8. man up.

>>11411236
Yeah OK uncle Xi, everything is under control, when we simply don't collect new infection numbers, the rate doesn't go up, so there is no infection at all!

>>11411224
Why not? What does he have to lose by letting an American company colonize mars? Starship is the key to American space superiority.

>>11411238
if you catch this and die from it as a healthy human in a western nation then you were never ever going to make it anyway.

>>11411226
seething flathead

>>11411242
Use your head. He may get NASA to buy shit from private corporations if he congress to pass it, but open up BEO to private corporations? Give me some of that shit you're smoking. Not fucking happening.
Who's going to vet the people getting sent up? Who's going to be responsible for them not stripping 5 starships worth of raptor engines and strapping them to asteroids and pointing them at major cities?

Shit like that is why private people are never fucking ever going to get to go freely past the fucking kiddy pool.

>>11411243
As a central european with a cliche european white family mostly filled with old people ill be mad as fuck when i see them slowly suffocate from some chink virus that the CCP probably leaked by accident.

>>11411144
My assumption is that they're a brony, and have a figurine in their room.

>>11411136
Elon needs nerd credit to prove he's a nerd?

>>11411261
Elon is a fake nerd, he also fakes his speech problem in interviews.

>>11411268
Riding his fake electric car with his fake rocket, on this fake round earth.

>>11411252
>Who's going to be responsible for them not stripping 5 starships worth of raptor engines and strapping them to asteroids and pointing them at major cities?
The USSF buying launches from other providers. Doing something like making asteroid bombs isn't something you can do covertly.

>>11411271
calm down, Thunderf00t

>>11411273
21 months between optimal launch windows is a very long time. You're very fucking naive if you think they're going to open up jack shit.
Private corporations get to play in the kiddy pool or sell their tech to NASA.

>>11411289
>Private corporations get to play in the kiddy pool or sell their tech to NASA.
Not forever they won't, but probably not before manned lunar surface operations get cooking.

>>11411289
>21 months between optimal launch windows is a very long time. You're very fucking naive if you think they're going to open up jack shit.
What does that have to do with private companies supposedly going full Zeon? A nuke heading straight for an asteroid doesn't really need to follow optimal windows.

>Private corporations get to play in the kiddy pool or sell their tech to NASA.
Maybe, maybe not. I'd say like SpaceX give it a good try. Space flight prospers when there are as many players in it as possible.

>>11411294
>I'd say LET SpaceX
Made a mistake. Ooops.

>>11411247
unfunny joke cope

>>11411252
>Who's going to be responsible for them not stripping 5 starships worth of raptor engines and strapping them to asteroids and pointing them at major cities?
the first 5 starships get earmarked for the government and parked in orbit. Put US martial on every flight. How much more safe does it need to be? It's not science fiction, everything about the flight is meticulously set up at the very start, you can't randomly do a 90 degree turn and start doing something else on your own.

>>11411294
>>11411304
Not a fucking thing is going BEO that doesn't have a NASA or other official organization logo stamped on it. Wait and see. They're never opening it up.

>>11411252
>Who's going to stop people from weaponizing asteroids?
The fact that they have nothing to hide behind, even a conventional chemical rocket lights up bright enough to be visible from one side of the Oort Cloud to the opposite side, assuming it isn't completely obscured behind the sun.

>>11411312
And how do you suggest you stop one? Orbital weapons platforms? lol

>>11411308
First, you're deflecting. Second, so what if BEO won't have purely private ventures in the near future? None of us knows for certain until it's attempted. You sound like one of those space flight fans who wants his specific vision for the future and no one else's. Again, let them try ffs.

>>11411317
Shaped nuclear charges. They would both destroy any infrastructure built on an asteroid, and provide plenty of thrust.

>>11410861
>>11410809
>>11410807
Specifically, "Prufrock." Their own in-house custom designed boring machine that will be 10-15x faster than standard boring machines. Their first boring machine is a standard boring machine. Their second boring machine is a highly modified standard boring machine. This is their first and in-house boring machine designed to be 10x(upto 15x) faster.

>>11411317
That or weapons deployed from the surface of Earth. The asteroid attack would be telegraphed months in advance so it's not going to catch anyone by surprise.

>>11411308
>Not a fucking thing is going BEO that doesn't have a NASA or other official organization logo stamped on it. Wait and see. They're never opening it up.
lol. Next you're going to say that there's no way a publicly traded corporation could take over a nation state.

>>11411322
>First, you're deflecting
>You sound like one of those
No, I'm a realist. I'm old enough to realize that the various governments are never fucking ever going to just hand over new territory. And they're never going to let people they have no control over run loose where they can potentially do massive damage.

This is the opposite of a "vision", this is about thinking things through and realizing that flights of fancy and politics are diametrically opposed.

>>11411336
>And they're never going to let people they have no control over run loose where they can potentially do massive damage.
>>11411336
⊙_⊙

>>11411345
for
>>11411342

>>11411342
>No, I'm a realist.
More like a pessimist.

>And they're never going to let people they have no control over run loose where they can potentially do massive damage.
But it's been argued that it won't happen. You're ignoring that such attacks would've been seen for a long time before it actually started.

>This is the opposite of a "vision", this is about thinking things through and realizing that flights of fancy and politics are diametrically opposed.
And other's have thought differently than what you have narrowly defined.

>>11411336
I don't see many East India companies sailing the seas anymore, do you? They learned that lesson the hard way.

>>11411349
Grow the fuck up.

>>11411336
>tfw Mars trading company, space pirates and fast lane airlock justice

>>11411350
>I don't see many East India companies sailing the seas anymore, do you? They learned that lesson the hard way.
The East India Company ended because the country it controlled fought for independence which hurt it's profits. It had nothing to do with government interference due to fears of what damage the company could do.

>Grow the fuck up.
Says the anon who has immaturity issues when presented view points that were different than his.

Have some space gymnastics.

>>11411373

>>11411368
That's not a "view point", that's a fervent prayer for something that will never come to pass will happen.
You may as well pray that NASA gets a $1000bn dollar budget for 2021, it's just as fucking likely to happen.

>>11411379
retarded tourist, go back to wherever you came from. You don't understand the process required and the constraints that exist on any mission in space. It's not cowboy bebop.

>>11411379
>That's not a "view point", that's a fervent prayer for something that will never come to pass will happen.
No. It's a possibility that deserves to be attempted.

>>11411385
>It's not cowboy bebop
Said the guy thinking the US government is going to open up space for private corporations to the guy saying they'll never do so.
Did somebody drop you as a child or something?

This "discussion" is nothing but NO U from all sides at this point anyway, wait and see like I said.

>>11411120
Still think Starship should have been named after a bird of prey or figure from Arthurian mythology.

>>11411400
>wait and see like I said.
Finally, something we can agree on.

Less arguing, more space flight porn.

>>11409855
>rip
ripped into pieces?
rendered into paste?

>>11410378
also an example of a company that has killed "astronauts"

>>11411415
Being a test pilot is a dangerous business

>>11411400
A) you can't just slap a booster on an asteroid and throw it at Earth—they are just balls of dust.
B) putting a Starship in LEO is the most dangerous it will ever be
C) all missions rely on critical control from the ground and are planned to minute details from beforehand
D) deciding to go off script to do literally anything else would require a ton of fuel and completely disconnecting from the ground
E) other than retarded planetary protection reasons, there is literally nothing they can do to the surface of the moon or mars that is more damaging than the bombardment they receive on a daily basis.
From the new world to the Oregon trail to Mars.

>>11411405

anyone know about any news from Virgin Galactic? The stock-price has gone up like a motherfucker the last weeks, kinda wondering why

>>11411444
My best guess would be insider information regarding the deal SpaceX just made with Space Adventures, Virgin Galactic shot up a couple of days prior to that deal being announced, so the timing fits.
Traders believe space tourism is becoming a real thing, I'm not a trader, but I believe they just bought themselves a massive big L.

>muh "end of private BEO"
You were btfo the first time and will remain btfo until the end of time, fuck off.

>>11411444
As far as I can tell it's simply a combination of newly public and trying to catch a whiff of the private space windfall simply for being in the same sector as SpaceX/BO. Would not be surprised to see everyone jump ship when starlink IPOs

>>11411444
>The stock-price has gone up like a motherfucker the last weeks, kinda wondering why

Because they flew VSS Unity from Mojave Airport (where it’s built and tested) to Spaceport America in New Mexico (which is where Virgin Galactic plan to operate out of). This is a significant sign their getting ready for commercial operations.

>>11410502
I really think he would have become the Elon of his time had he lived long enough.

>>11411150
>The Learning Channel
What does TLC stand for now?

>>11411467
I always thought it stood for Tender, Love, Care....
Imagine my surprise

>>11411359

>>11411453
>>11411452
>>11411449
I've kinda been interested in getting a few shares of it, not really for more than being able to "own" a part of a space company(my Hydrogen stocks keep me well in the green).
Starlink kinda looks promising as well, plus me not jumping in on Tesla back in summer keeps pissing me off desu.

>>11411476
If you have to ask that question in SS13, then the answer is always "yes".

>>11411379
>>11411400
Well, fortunately we have a clear-cut example of a mission that will either prove you right or wrong coming in the next few years. When SpaceX sends their first cargo Starship to Mars to test Mars EDL, if NASA isn't a significant player on that (beyond planetary protection) then you will have been proved wrong. Hell, dearMoon might qualify.

>>11411489
There's no mission yet, there may never be a mission. For all we know, we'll get Artemis manned swing by Mars then fuck all for 50 years thanks to President Bernout shutting down fucking everything.

>>11411507
>For all we know, we'll get Artemis manned swing by Mars then fuck all for 50 years thanks to President Bernout shutting down fucking everything.
He won't be able to shut down SpaceX and Blue Origin. Especially SpaceX.

>>11411509
And who holds the keys to BEO? Congress. I'm sure they'll be free to splash around shooting up payloads in the kiddy pool though.

>>11411516
>And who holds the keys to BEO?
Paying customers. SpaceX has delivered BEO payloads before. On top of that, SpaceX has their own payloads for BEO.

>Congress
What are they going to do that won't a blatant violation of a company's independence? You know that "nationalize SpaceX!" is a meme, right?

>>11411524
Go read up on what the committee holds jurisdiction over again.

>>11410034
Agreed, I hate that retarded shit

stop replying to this retard

>>11411444
>>11411449

Agreed. Dipshits think that space tourism is somehow going to translate into billions, with a company that charges 250k just to send up in a vomit comet for 5 minutes. Investors are fucking brainlets.

>>11411548
I don't think many people are willing and able to fork out a cool $50 million to fly the crew dragon either.

>>11410818
Grasshopper is sitting at McGregor right now, after retirement. F9R was the one that had a guidance sensor fail and was blown up in flight. Remember F9R? I remember F9R.

>>11411134
>DC-X proves the propulsive flip in flight that Starship will use to land is possible, even using 90's tech
SpaceX is unstoppable and Starship will make a successful landing after a test flight this year.

>>11411575
Because the 90s was THAT awesome.

>>11410781
Missing a shoe too.

when boca chica is really cranking out starships, will the facility still consist of stacked shipping containers and sprung tents?

>>11411531
i honestly cant tell which anon you are referring to anymore

>>11411317
Lase it, even with a full Starship's complements of Raptors the rocket equation still applies, even a petite asteroid (at least the size of a 5-6 story office building) that could make it deep enough into Earth's atmosphere to produce a Chelyubinsk style explosion or even ground impact) would take so much delta-v to decelerate that your propellant tanks would have to be at least the asteroid's own size or larger, and most of that time the asteroid would be on the drift. You'd lase it, or slamjam it with another rocket while it's got no maneuvering capabilities, knocking it off it's impact trajectory.

>>11411575
>SpaceX is unstoppable and Starship will make a successful landing after a test flight this year.

>>11411617
Fuel depot when?

>>11411575
>>11411617
NOT IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT! AND I DO! I'M GONNA SAY THE N-WORD!

NATIONALIZE!!!!

>>11411252
Dummy, the number of engines doesn't matter, the propellant mass matters. The real big gun in space is not chemically boosted asteroids on intercept trajectories, it's mass drivers on asteroids firing cans full of gravel towards Earth to be popped an hour before rendezvous and shotgun entire orbits to destroy orbital infrastructure.

>>11411638
>it's mass drivers on asteroids firing cans full of gravel towards Earth to be popped an hour before rendezvous
And it would've been seen heading towards that spot long before it would be set up. You can't do anything covertly in space.

>>11411575
>SpaceX is unstoppable
Things tend to go badly once you become overconfident

>>11411597
I assume more facilities will spring up as necessary, if I were Musk I'd set up a proper assembly building for each major part of Starship, in sequence from slowest to complete parts closest to the assembly building to the fastest being furthest away, to maximize the speed at which parts arrive. In this way the core would start coming together first, then probably the nosecone and plumbing, and finally the fins and landing legs, since those are the most complicated parts. Then the whole thing would be hoisted by crane to one of two buildings, one building for CargoShip completion and one for CrewShip completion, where workers will get inside the nosecone sections and either install equipment for the cargo door or the crew quarters.
>>11411627
>When the US government tries to nationalize your rocket company thus violating the NAP, so you crash a fully crewed Starship into the White House and initiate WW3.

>>11411638
Earth has this great friction shield called an atmosphere that does a pretty good job of incinerating anything that isn't several thousand tons of solid iron. A canister shot will be great for antiship warfare in space but useless against Earth, Mars, Venus or Titan based infrastructure.

>>11411252
Yeah I don't think this is gonna happen, the barringer crater was formed by a 50m iron asteroid with an explosion that was around 10MT and that weighed about 1 million tons. This is pure fantasy. This is literally sci-fi. You think nobody is gonna notice a decade long effort to push a NEO? Stop watching the Expanse

>>11411641
The Misty sats would like to disagree.

>>11411688
Right back at you, mr "corporations can do anything".

>>11411516
They let him send a roadster BEO, they'll let him send a starship. Stop being a FUD fag. Congress isn't retarded, they know the benefits Starship can bring. First manned lunar base under the american flag? Americans the first on mars? Martian base? Come on, starship has huge potential. They'll let musk do his stuff as they already have let him do his stuff.

>>11411719
>An inert payload test got sent.
Holy shit, stop the fucking press.

>>11411695
Kek, at least you admit you are wrong. You don't argue against it at all. Stop shitting up this thread

>>11411730
Because it was a test payload. If an inert payload can be sent to Mars, then something more useful can be sent there.

>>11411734
>at least you admit you are wrong
That's some seriously alternative reading you're doing.

>>11411737
That payload is going nowhere near Mars and the only reason it got sent up was because NASA wanted to know whether that rocket works or not so they can use it for missions in the future. Sure is opening up BEO for corporations, isn't it?

>>11411739
>That payload is going nowhere near Mars
But it could be.

>and the only reason it got sent up was because NASA wanted to know whether that rocket works or not so they can use it for missions in the future.
Are you implying that NASA would've stopped the Falcon Heavy from launching if they didn't find a need for it? There's no way they could've done that.

>Sure is opening up BEO for corporations, isn't it?
Yep. Because it set a precedent that a company could do that, so why stop them later?

>>11411739
>post comment
>reply says "right back at you"
>Alternative reading
That was my first post retard, you didn't tell me how you would move a million ton asteroid without anyone noticing

>>11411751
You're the ones dreaming about some fucking wild west gold rush space race that's never going to materialize. I'd say you're the ones that need to stop reading and watching fiction.
Now let this fucking "discussion" die.

>>11411753
>it calls for the end of discussion every time it realizes it's floundering badly
kek

>>11411763
Dude, it devolved into NO U 20 fucking posts ago, but you just had to go and add more, didn't you?
Go fuck yourself.
As for the asteroid shit? Yeah, that was me just pulling the first shit that came to mind out of my ass, I wasn't planning on writing a fucking paper to defend it.

>>11411753
>>11411776
Sorry I got a bit mad and you did too I think. I just see this becoming regulated like plane travel. The private sector needs to get flight plans approved and stuff, but the government lets companies do what they want within the guidelines themselves. Sorry for being mean though. We're all here to learn about space. Friends?

>>11411799
We'll just have to wait and see as I've tried saying for some time. I believe there's be iron fist control.

>>11411253
It sucks when it's old people that you like, but lots of old people dying will be a boon to the world.

>>11411846
I have a grandmother who remembers germans marching down her street when she was 7 and also the first belgian radio broadcast about the first moonwalk.
she doesn't really give a fuck about the moonwalk, but still.

>>11411869
Well you'd better hope grandma isn't one of the 20% of cases that develops severe pneumonia symptoms

>>11411656
I said orbital infrastructure specifically, dude. Attacking the ground is a waste of time, just install a nice kessler syndrome debris cloud in orbit instead and take your enemy out of the playing field entirely.

So remind me again why we never sent up a giant fuel tank to berth with the station or at least hook up to the candarm and then a spacecraft soon after that which docks with the fuel tank attaches it and fucks off to the moon?

What was so difficult about such a plan? Why aren't we using the ISS as a temporary fuel holding station like that?

>>11412119
Wouldn't it be more effective to just send people directly to the moon rather than having to expend propellant to get into the right orbit to rendezvous with the ISS? The ISS is also at a lower orbit which is falling. They have to be boosted constantly. Now you have to waste even more fuel to boost that other fuel.

>>11412125
When tthe fuck are we gonna build some higher orbit space stations

>>11411405
the BE-3U is a better
>>11411400
space is already open for private corporations, but nobody's tried yet to formalize it

>>11412119
Refueling? In orbit? Sounds like commie speak to me.

>>11412139
More like taking the fuel canister from a fuel depot so it could launch with less mass

>>11412127
>When tthe fuck are we gonna build some higher orbit space stations

Oh hi

>>11412119
You're suggesting some sort of d... deployed fueling facility beyond Earth? Where did you get this idea, son? Who's been spreading this filth?

>>11412119
>Why aren't we using the ISS as a temporary fuel holding station like that?
Because developing that requires funding, and government space flight funding is more concerned about the immediate benefits of a project rather than building space infrastructure (which generally has more vague befits compared to a simple rover on another planet).

>>11412125
Propellant depots have an advantage in allowing smaller launcher infrastructure to handle larger payloads. Most spacecraft are mostly propellant by mass, so a launcher carrying a nearly empty spacecraft and then refueling it with another launcher can allow for more sent mass to space than using the same launcher to send a fully fueled spacecraft.

>>11412119
>What was so difficult about such a plan?
Nothing, really. Mostly just politics in the way.

>>11412149
Ah of course, if politicians tend to neglect infrastructure on the ground they will surely neglect it in space, silly me.

>>11411526
tell me what powers they have over that jurisdiction
they get to:
A. propose legislation to congress
B. jack and shit

>>11412156
I know it's bullshit, but it's bullshit that needs to be dealt with. Demonstrating some of these technologies that the government is reluctant to develop on will change their minds.

>>11411441
>>11411405
we need to go bigger

>>11412160
Like so?

>>11412163
BIGGER

>tfw ywn ride a test stand to orbit

>>11412165
LIKE SO?

>>11412175
>Sea Dragon

heh, smalltime

>>11412176
>>11412182
Press F to pay respects to wheelie boi.

>>11412201
What's this?

>>11412182
ENBIGGEN

>>11412216
Starship hanger at boca

>>11410150
This guy never flew in a Cessna 172 airplane

I want to make an ethanol - liquid oxygen rocket. What kind of pump should I use for the ethanol? Can I use venturi effect to pump the liquid oxygen into the combustion chamber? That would save me one pump.

>>11412425
>What kind of pump should I use for the ethanol? Can I use venturi effect to pump the liquid oxygen into the combustion chamber?
Are you just starting out for this? If so, then I suggest just using a pressure fed rocket engine. That kind of pump still needs some pressurized gas/fluid to work, so switching to pressure fed would be simpler.

Good luck on that, especially the liquid oxygen. In my experience, it was a massive headache to design around.

>>11412425
Like the other Anon said, just start out with a pressure fed engine, if you manage to not blow yourself up at that point then you could consider graduating to turbomachinery hell.

While we're on the topic of amateur rocket engines. Is a liquid propellant engine that generates about 5.6 kN at sea level too big for an amateur to handle if he's never made and texted an engine before?

>>11412464
Yes.

>>11412473
Damn, because that's the smallest I can get with my design parameters. I'm designing a small engine that's primarily cooled via film cooling. Which has a lower limit in size.

>>11412434
>a massive headache to design around
Also with fuels at different temperatures you have to consider things like if the LOX could freeze your fuel. The other way (a cryo fuel freezing the LOX) is bad too.

>>11412464
Really depends on your funding, team, materials, and equipment, etc. If I were going to start building rocket engines, I'd probably start with what is basically a maneuvering engine, something like the LM's .44kN RCS thruster. Assuming you want to learn a lot, you'll go through scores of iterations, which is made a lot easier if your rocket is only about five pounds as opposed to 50.

>>11412488
That is a problem. Although, it's not as bad as having to dig around to find the one specific plumbing part that is both oxygen AND cyro friendly.

>>11412492
Independent, self-funded, one team member. I guess you have a point. My original idea might be too big too soon. Maybe I could design an engine that can handle being a heatsink to get around the cooling issue. Thank you.

>>11412503
Definitely start with something quite small then, it's great to have ambition for such a large project so long as you temper it with common sense. Keep your big engine in mind, but actually build a small one first, you can use what you learn building a small engine to improve some parts of a larger one, and if you can attract some other interested people then once you're confident you can start on such a large engine then you may find it easier to get other team members/backers to support you.

Think about it this way, if you achieve a 400n thruster you're in the same range as the Draco thruster. That would be pretty fucking cool.

>>11412532
You have a point. I'll start a new design then. Thank you. There's still loads of challenges to get over though. For example, I was considering using high test hydrogen peroxide as an oxidizer, but I'm worried about being able to store that safely. Getting it will be tough too.

>Think about it this way, if you achieve a 400n thruster you're in the same range as the Draco thruster. That would be pretty fucking cool.
I looked up some more details about that engine to see what it's like, and I found this neat rocket acapella (rocketpella?) bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcXouT8ggfI

>you will live to see boca chica turn into a military compound where they stockpile container ships worth of resources and desperately build as many starships as they can to ship enough goods off planet as civilisation collapses around them thanks to corona chan

It's gonna be kino bros

>>11412718
We'll see a day when we have multiple ships in orbit in our lifetime.

>>11412750
>Musk builds Starship fleet and leaves for mars
>He puts in tons of rocks in them on mars/space and sends it back to Earth orbit
>He demands earth's surrender
>Musk launches space rocks and bombs all the countries that try to fight back
>Musk becomes god emperor of Humankind

>>11411597

I'm guessing once they figure out the design and production system they will wrap a factory around it. ie their Los Angeles harbor factory.

>>11411113
>>11411507

Here's the thing. It can't be guaranteed what a Sander's presidency space policy will be. His interest in spaceflight specifically hasn't been defined well and the opinions of people speculating on it in a negative manner from their estimations of his politics can stem from their own erroneous misinterpretations of that that Sanders may not live up to in the slightest.

NASA is one small section of the portfolio a President presides over and formulates policy for. Space policy people who deal with that subject will craft and present policy for the President. Whatever you think of his politics that doesn't mean it filters top down into what happens to NASA: rather that people in the new admin will run the policy formulation process for that narrow niche.

What they end up crafting isn't guaranteed. Whether there are good people among them isn't guaranteed. By good I mean people who aren't lackeys to the current order.

What some here have decried as being bad can in fact be good stewardship for the agency. Formulating good planning within budgets, cancelling problematic programs even if their downsides have been hidden behind rhetoric and cheerleading, these can all be fine, and the people whining the most are wrongheaded or purposefully malicious. But again, whether a Sanders admin would actually do that versus continue a similar status quo is up in the air.

>>11412906
>It can't be guaranteed what a Sander's presidency space policy will be
A picture says a thousand words.

>>11412906
For decades he was voting for more gibs and less money for nasa not like they are great at doing stuff but under sanders both musk and bezos become public enemy nr 1 and sanders retarded administration picks would do everything to nationalize everything they can and redistribute to pay for free stuff for everyone

>>11412921
I'm not sure if Bernie is ACTUALLY a communist like you're suggesting but I would believe it
also, fuck off to /pol/ please

>>11412926
>>11412906
His voting record is smacking down any and everything space related. But yes I'm sure those few posts he made on rebbit have convinced you he loves NASA and will continue to fund toy cars to Mars. Best case scenario they launch some more satellites and become le climate study agency.

Fuck off back to rebbit.

>>11412921
Nationalize Healthcare, good for country. Medicare already is there, this will expand it. Nationalize, isp (maybe good). Municipal ISP needs to be legalized. Fuck the monopoly laws. De-regulation might actually solve the ISP issue. What else is he nationalizing? I only know those 2. His wealth tax scares me even though I'm poor as fuck, I can see the devastating problem it will create for the economy. This probably won't ever pass the Senate or even the house. He's closed border proponent, so that's good. His nasa focus is mainly on earth science but he will probably want efficient NASA that might mean no more commercial partners or fully commercial partners, depending on who's advising him.

If you vote for anyone but Bernie you are an idiot.

If you don't vote for him just because of space policy then I have no words to describe what you are.

I'd gladly give up spaceflight if it meant proper social policies were put in place and so would all decent human beings on the planet.

>>11412961
The grass really isn't any greener over here in Scandinavia.
The grass is really fucking expensive to pay for all the "free" stuff though.

>>11412961

Not a binary choice.

>>11412967

that poster is sockpuppetting as a bernie fan.

>>11412952
He will glass Bezos, Musk and other billionaires with huge taxes (I don't necessarily disagree with this but you gotta close loopholes first), commercial contracts will be fucked right off. So basically we would be back to square one with gorillion dollar "climate satellites" launching on 150m mic vehicles. Pure nightmare fuel and I actually agree with eating the rich but this isn't how you go about it.

>>11412961
We can have much better and realistic space strategy under Bernie. For one his team will be made out of actual experts and scientists instead of rich ceos who bribed their way into power.

>>11412980
Increased taxes = more funding = more space stuff.

>>11412985
No, those taxes go towards funding a single payer healthcare system and other social programs. I also support this so long as the military and overseas wars are defunded in return to balance the books. His track record, again, is voting against anything space related whatsoever and you think he will devote MORE money to space? Lmao.

>>11412992

>His track record, again, is voting against anything space related

show me the receipts

>>11412985
Increased taxes = higher cost of living = higher welfare = higher cost of living = more people on welfare = higher cost of living = higher taxes = higher taxes = higher cost of living = more people on welfare and so on and so forth.

Never getting off this rock.

>>11412909
>>11412921
>>11412947

You guys are the morons I was alluding to.

can the politics go back to /pol/ please?

>>11412992
Track record as US president? You have no proof you are just doomsaying apocalyptic things to spread FUD and discredit the best possible presidential candidate.

I fully expect he will reform NASA making it much better and more efficient. Anyone who follows this stuff knows they need it badly.

>>11412999
That's not a fucking argument.

>>11413004
Track record as a fucking senator you absolute shill.

>>11413004
If there's a change in presidents this year, Artemis goes out the window. That's a guarantee. That's just how party politics works. You just need to look at the last two decades of presidents to see how they cancelled the previous administrations programs so as to not "let the other side have a win" posthumously.
That means at least a 4-8 year minimum grinding halt in everything.
And that's before you even look at his voting record as a senator.

This is looking at it objectively, no partisan politics involved.

>>11412996
If it worked like that all the social programs implemented throughout the 20th century would have already caused the end of the world.

>>11413018
We got 50 years of nationalized oil money we're dipping into to pay for our social programs. The state budget is funded 2/3rds from taxes, 1/3rds from dividends from it. The fund is intended for future pensions.
The amount we put into it every year is roughly half of what we spend from it, you tell me that's sustainable in the long run. Remember, that money is invested in various markets. Guess what happens should the markets crash?

And our cost of living is quite frankly ridiculous.

>>11413015

A lot of the commentary of what has been the problem is superficial junk that isn't actually the problem.

File "they keep changeing directions every presidency!" under that.

What I mean by that is throw it out altogether. It mostly manifested as a smear against Obama's space policy by people who detested its contents and debased it by smearing it as something it wasn't rather than addressing what it actually was.

>>11413023
Reasonable arguments now put them right next to "cut taxes for the rich".

Looks a bit funny.

>>11413026
>It mostly manifested as a smear against Obama's space policy
Dubya did the same.

>>11412906
Sanders is a retard when it comes to space. When Welfare eclipses $1,500B today, even if you scrapped NASA's $20+B and change it wouldn't put a dent in visible outcome changes in welfare.
Meanwhile, scrapping it would both deprive the US of a major scientific and engineering focus and would savagely degrade US National Security.

>>11413026
That's practice before Obama. Clinton for example nuked space station freedom and turned into the what is currently known as the ISS in order to bolster friendship with Russia. And before that we have other even more extreme examples of administrative flip flops on space policies.

>>11413032
>degrade national security
Yes because 50% of the world's military spending is too little.

>>11413033
Correct. This is politics 101, don't let your enemies get a win, especially not a posthumous one when you've just taken office because people might look back at their time in office and go "hmm, maybe it wasn't so bad under that guy after all".

>>11413033
So it is best that we keep up the shift to private stations, leased by our agencies. And ensure that exploration is performed more and more via private interests.

>>11413036
Because the US Navy has the reach it does, is why Piracy isn't a thing. Very briefly, a piracy problem emerged off of Somalia; it was gone in any serious terms within a month thanks to US Naval over-watch.

Would you like the seas to be unguarded? Because if the US cuts down, that's the track things will take. Ships bound for nations with no serious navies will be boarded and held ransom.

>>11413039
The danger of letting it all go private is they will grow too big and influential if successful. Strong regulation is the key.

>>11413047
nations without serious navies will be forced to either go without shipping or get a Navy

>>11413047
If there's a problem the international community will solve it especially if it involves few patrol ships.

Potential piracy is no argument to maintain that military spending as it has numerous solutions outside of it.

you ever thought about just how powerful a raptor is
especially for its size
also: whoops wrong image

bloop

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>>11413047
Haha yeah bro we totally need to spend a trillion+ dollars a year for overwhelming firepower to secure the seas against niggers in dinghies with AKs. You could achieve the same results with a handful of patrol boats or simply arming commercial vessels with light/medium weapons.

>>11410034
It's real, in principle you can use aerodynamic lift in upper atmosphere to do velocity change while being above escape velocity all the time

I've been looking for a Starship next to the ISS for a while and then I remember that SpaceX had one on their website lol

queueing up a new thread lol

>>11413134
Have you seen the top bulkhead, its completely rusted.
Fucking Elon

>>11413232
that's just how it looks it's fine

accidentally posted the new thread early whooops fuck
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>>11413241
page 8 and pol cancer in this thread, I'll take it