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>>11392894
Now we're gettin into some meat and potatoes.

>>11392894
Cultural training/expectations

>>11393025
Then why does it appear to be universal? Asian folk music has its own contrasting scales comparable to Western music.

>>11392894
Differences in vocal intonation that convey mood--for instance weepy as opposed to stentorian--are innate, and not just of pitch & volume, but also timbre or overtone structure. The cross-cultural agreement or similarity of response to intervals is attributable to the fact that much of what we convey to eachother in speech are pre-verbal or proto-verbal statements about our condition at that moment. This is the reason that orchestral music so often conveys the sensation of being in a place that has an extremely definite personality, and that even in romantic literature setting substitutes person.

>>11394825
Very apt answer, I would agree with this.

>>11392894
I've always wanted to approach music theory from ratios.

>>11392894
>What's so sad about 6:5 and joyful about 5:4?
>>11394825
>>11393025
I know a little bit about music theory and I always though that many emotional descriptions like the example the OP gave ("sad" "joyful") were basically arbitrary.

>>11395592
>I always though...

I mean that eventually I found out that this descriptions are effectively arbitrary , theres nothing impeding you using a "sad" chord in a joyful song or vice versa
is very annoying when you are learning because many times a supposedly "sad" chord doesn't sound sad to you but the teachers tell you "its a sad chord"...

>>11394825
good iq theory

>>11393025
very low iq theory. equivalent of saying genes don't matter

>>11395649
in my experience it's less about chords and more about the change between notes
an example: https://youtu.be/shYouqOEE48?t=64

>>11392894
Isn't the emotional sentiment we get from chord progressions informed by our cultural experience with our musical canon? Eastern classic music uses different tuning and chord structures and don't necessarily associate major as happy and minor as sad, right?

>>11395669
>its more about the change between notes
yes, thats a given, "intervals" are the very basic of music otherwise it will sound literally "monotonic", generally when teachers talk about "sad" or "joyful" its about chords

>>11395689
yeah but obviously there are chords which are several notes played together and there are scales/modes, which can be played as arpeggios, which is basically a chord. the scales have different feelings to them, but i think what's more effective in bringing out an emotional reaction to music is larger changes temporally.

by the way, hans zimmer talks a little about how there is a kind of meaning/emotion embedded in note sequences. in one of his songs there's a series of 3 notes that each convey a message.

>>11392894
I'm thinking neurotransmitters can be like crystal oscillators and as such they're universally sensitive to the same frequencies