/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11375535
leftism

>>11375535
it's more than a fallacy, it's a mental illness. called:
>>11375565
this

>>11375565
funny

>>11375568
You miss the point - perfectly cis people still believe this.

>>11375535
>what is the fallacy that leads people to think gender is non-binary
>obviously you can occupy many states between the genders

>There are a couple fallacies that embody this I think, but they allude me.
>and by fallacies, I mean informal rhetorical fallacies I learned about in English 101

>>11375583
negative, would have remembered those / been easy to google / already been stated a million times. try harder to sound smart, retad

>>11375589
K

>>11375535
>obviously you can occupy many states between genders
What do you mean by "states"? Does someone simply thinking they should be, or "feel like," a person of the opposite sex qualify as a change in state of gender?

>>11375601
No, I mean literal intersex people that biology, through multiple categories, determines a mix of the two genders.

>>11375535
Cis just means happily circular
non-binary just means off-by-one, keep trying
trans means willing to be the grease in any axel

I don't like homonomials (people who try to become the exact same thing at the same time, which is what most monogamous cis-heterosexual people are.). I'm poly.

It sounds a bit like a 'false dichotomy' in reverse. Asserting there are more than 2 options when there aren't.

>>11375724
What backtrack did you have to perform in order to conclude that there is only ever 2 options beyond 'yield' and 'return'?

>>11375727
It does rather beg that question.

>>11375732
Colloquialisms beg for questions?

>>11375535
Depends on what their reasoning is. People who argue on biological grounds (muh intersex) mistake an anomaly for a negation of a general rule. Not sure if there's a name for that fallacy.

People who argue that gender is a social construct are morons with no reasoning at all. Do not engage, they're retards incapable of thinking rationally.

>>11375702
You live in a world of your own definitions. Join the world where everyone knows what you're trying to say and see how much sense you actually make.

>>11375738
So I'm Donald Trump now? Cool. I'm gonna be rich n' famous momma! /s

>Those that project the idea of self-rhetoric usually get a harsh slap from me, speaking as a linguist and translator.

Seriously though what part of you Anonymous feels like other people aren't a part of the world, or are you simply limiting your understanding of language to just 'a' world (chiefly your own before interacting with me in this fashion).

>Pic related: The average university student

Australia reporting for duty!

KumKum lotsa fun-fun ~uwu~

We're like England's reciprocity teacher.

STAMPED SEALED SIGNED AND APPROVED.

WELCOME TO PRIMARILY PROXIMITY CONJUGAL ENGLISH MA DUDE!

>>11375734
For clarity, I am referring to your first part.

>>11375751
Based schizo derailing a low effort off topic lgbtq hate thread

>>11375747
You are the only person in this thread who is unable to grapple with the common definitions of the words. I suspect you make your own definitions so your convoluted world view can make sense, and so others can't easily debunk it (no one wants to waste the time). The common definitions, which I'm sure you pretend to not know (how intelligent and rare are you\s), are good enough to make your point, which I'm sure is clearly garbage if you would just clearly state it.

>>11375763
Sure, I'll just be the eternally dumbest immortal student in all of existence. I don't mind! It's not like 'educated people' really do much except scream at the thoughts in their head or with 'what they think they other guy said'.

>>11375765
Suspect!

>>11375763
>biology
>off topic
>hate

Well, yeah, I only teach females/women. There is literally no value for me teaching the men because they always end up being vitriolic/combatitive because they think I compete with them for resources, which I don't because who wants to get involved with that shit?

I teach the women because they like having more tips n' tricks on how to clean up the menfolk for fun-times. Any man/male energy that is willing to simply 'drill down any other male, perceived or otherwise' instead of 'everyone and everything' is a dumdum frufru neo-expressionist.

Because ALL you guys want to do is fuck my sister, which is FINE with me, but don't waste my fucking time coming to MY classes just because you don't have the balls to wait in line or offer something that makes her time feel valued.

That's why I teach WOMEN because they at least UNDERSTAND that I can do more than HELP THEM GET LAID/PAID.

>>11375776
Interesting post. Would you mind framing it as anything mildly related to anything else in this thread? :)

The infinite possibilities for meaningless labeling. Why must faggots appropriate language? Gender was synonymous with sex. I can't keep up with all the changes. Married is married. Why can't they call it tethering or something?

>>11375724
I think saying "there are only two classifications," is better. There is male and female, and the exceptions clearly lie between those two absolutes, but the statistical argument says that clusters form at the ends of the spectrum NOT the middle.

>>11375781
>What is the fallacy that leads people to think gender is non-binary?
The primary lack of projective conjugals in formal language and the overuse of 'the princess is in another castle' tactics by certain communication users.

>>11375787
Then just say there is 'source' and 'destination'.

Everything in between is an act of language cohesion or abstractive inference.

>>11375789
>The lack of error correcting in formal language and the reliance on 'moving the goalpost' by proponents.

Did I interpret that accurately?

>>11375794
I don't want to derail your thought, but honestly I am interested in what you mean and have no idea what you are trying to say.

>>11375798
To within an approximation of [math]\Pi[/math], so there is 'one circle' of variable inclusion in your lexicon now. This is based on the assumption that you're absorbing the lesson in accordance with how other students in my class learn and the rate of reciprocal success they experience contrasted to how much I, the Eternal Teacher (Time), don't want them to come back NOR me have to go find them because everyone else wanted to abandon them.

>>11375803
Because I am Source, and 'destination' is now currently a metavariable that we are heuristically exploring. I'm only able to do that by finding the n-many dictionaries that your own studies have 'helped you fall down a language hole'. Which is what Universities do, too fucking often.

Yes, you would call me a 'silent yes enaber/slut' for language(s), syntax, and abstractive declarations.

I do this in public and online because to Asia I am 武術語義碩士自我

Ultimately though I am just a universal self-referential/deference/reductionist/plosive abandonist.

Basically when I am asked to leave IRL, I go without question or care. Usually the faster/further away I go the more power I get. I don't really 'absorb' the local culture because there is always need for a transitive teacher.

I'm a directed language learner, but eventually I get so levelled up that I have to 'stick around and help the locals'.

4chan is my primary port of call because it covers the anglosphere without me having to do the whole buddha thing.

I teach FAR harsher than any Asian and more direct than any rapist because I classify myself as an integralist (integrity -> interpretation).

Which means 'hit me as often as you like, I'll just keep learning'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vfY_k0qemo

It's just taking a LONG time to 'beat the caveman out of the light' I guess.

>>11375805
Imagine thinking you can criticize 'formal language holes,' with convoluted diction like yourself. Let me be the first to enlighten you to the fact that deep and complex truths can be expressed in relatively simple language.

Yes, my language would be 閹割英語 in Chinese (Traditional).

I literally only speak in terms of 'cutting off any male particles/particulates/conjugates' and presenting them to the audience, and because I never have to fear my own being removed (I have a Chinese daughter) normally it makes SOME men in the class (and by extension some women) uncomfortable.

Like I could fucking care who gets butthurt, you are all at each other's throats in your minds and construct N-many 'fuck you!' binary branch methods that I just went full time cube.

My OWN intelligence is literally FASTER than any other male in existence and MORE RESPECTFUL than any WOMAN that has ever walked this Earth and more COMMUNAL than any ABORIGINAL/INDIGENOUS SPIRITUALITY.

So, free lessons for 4chan.

>>11375839
You would need to DEFINE simple language FIRST for a UNIVERSAL CLASS LANGUAGE, DIPSHIT. DO YOU TRANSLATE SIGN/STORY LANGUAGE FOR ABORIGINAL PEOPLE IN AUSTRALI?! NO?! WELL FUCK COLOR ME ONE SURPRISED CUNT! /s

>>11375839
I 'invented/made/curated' the imagination engine. Anyone whose English starts with 'consider/imagine/think' is literally a THOUGHT RAPIST by LANGUAGE DEFINITIONS because they are PRESUPPOSING THE OTHER PARTY to be SOMEHOW INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING SOME PRETTY OBVIOUS CUES THEY SHOULD HAVE LEARNED FROM CHILDHOOD.

Unless you were abused/molested or somehow retarded from social/communal interaction, which is why I also work with the homeless.

Reason why none of you cunts can pay me or give me a fucking job is because my job has literally never EXISTED before ME.

>>11375844
Potential 'knock-on meme'.

>female version coming up next

>>11375844
>>11375847
YES, YOU FUCKING RETARDED WURUNDJERI AND LITERALLY MY ENTIRE DIGITAL STREAM!

EITHER LEARN FROM ME, KILL ME, OR START FUCKING HIDING BECAUSE YOU'D BE AMAZED AT HOW UNTOUCHABLE I FUCKING AM SO IF I AM GONNA START TOUCHING ANYONE IT AIN'T GONNA BE THE FUCKING KIDS!

IT'D BE FUCKING DONALD J. TRUMP FIRST AND THEN EVERYTHING HE FUCKING TOUCHED/ENABLED/ALLOWED!

Basically it is really easy to 'heal your own butthurt' if people would just accept some sort of communal or periodic update packaging, but it has to be perennial otherwise this shit will just happen all over again.

Not a song and dance either, needs to be song/story/dance/food/sex, otherwise these humans really will just go back to hitting each other over the heads with rocks.

>The original binary language system.

>>11375535
Gender is hexadecimal

>>11375858
A four-square conjugal? Whose coming for dinner?

>>11375849
I was interested in how your twisted mind operates but, you only reveal yourself as an idiot to badmouth the only decent president since Regan.

>>11375863
In a room of quiet reason, the crazy ones who have abused the lack of nuances now being created will make as much noise as possible to give themselves the illusion that they can stop the progression. Quiet down, little one.

>>11375865
How did I badmouth anything? Since when was 'touch' somehow constituted as 'badmouthing' or literally anything beyond an expression of digitation and/or physical pressure?

>>11375872
In my class you'd be the 'irritating observer' that thinks their eyes are smarter than their ears because they don't want to join in the communal discussion.
>Yes, I'm WELL aware there are reasons why America 'leaves some behind on 4chan' but I literally have no way of identifying WHERE any of the posters are from but I know a lot of Australian students use 4chan and none of YOU Elders are actually trying to save them so I post here and shit-talk YOU cunts until we actually start acting as 'one big love'.

>>11375872
Yes, the post I am referencing now is literally the diminutive/dismissive equivalent of this newsclip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kePvZkV-Zcs

>Yes, the OLD language users are going to fight me but they really only have the equivalent of 'have to change dirty nappies again?' level of energy and tricks.

>>11375881
>communal discussion
>posts 10 replies in a row

>>11375886
>>11375884
You can't be reasoned with now. Music can heal you.

Because deprioritizing the Youth has having stuff worth including in the 'main language discussion of humanity's future' is literally where ALL cultures have fallen short/down/dead.

I keep saying KILL ME OR DROP DEAD and yet nobody has died or even bothered to kill me in public, so I guess this is just a black hole avalanche and I'm building up steam to go punch some cunt in the face today and when the court case comes I will literally drag everyone into it.

>>11375886
Were you intelligent enough to understand that most of these posts are 'bait to attract students' and is a 'dynamic provision stream' intended to 'promote lurkers' to 'hook in and update themselves'.
>Also this is a forum. I don't have to cede/yield the floor if the house/speaker are too chicken shit.

>>11375890
You are aware that when you say "You" to me that you are actually referencing everything and everyone that isn't Anonymous, yes? Whether by the poster of said post, the concept of being anonymous, or even the requirement of privacy in general?
>New quantum brain, who dis? Boltzmann? Fak off!

>>11375890
Appeals to 'this person couldn't possibly agree on MY form of mediation' is faggot-tier retardation and just serves to signal to his fellow faggots that he needs help.

Because I'm the primary topic presenter, validated by initial response seekers that have posted ITT.

I'm expanding on the 'previous thought' whilst attempting to account for all bullshit interruptions because 'sniping teacher' should really be in any pedagog's arsenal.

>Fuck helicopter parents, they need to fucking die.

This meme is my opinion of any retarded individual that somehow thinks that 'energy comes from nothing but people agreeing on everything, everyday, so much so that we never need to get out of the way'.

Oh, I do this also because some Youth really are trying to save some dinosaurs from their own faggotry. I told them it was pointless but if I don't have some record of 'attempting to help before they all drown in their incestual citation/reference/account' dance then they'd just paint me as the next rapist of reality which ain't what I aim to be at all.

Yes, this is also why many know me as the Language-Sex Man. Helped plenty of young guys get laid when no other brothers were willing to help them find confidence with the opposite sex.

Like you'd even fucking LET me rest on my fucking laurels, you fucks.

Sure, whatever. 4chan is my therapy then.

I still have to type out every though like a deranged Chinese torture victim while you Aboriginal Elder fucks read over my shoulder so you can see that I literally don't know how to be ANY LOUDER or MORE DIRECT unless you all turn this into some 'show' because you super old fucks don't get that language comes in poly-tiers.

3 layers of language.

Soil
Self
Spirit

The soil is ALWAYS protected/respected/revered.
The self is klol idgaf
The spirit is COMMUNAL

All of you old fuckers keep selling 'we are all one' with your bullshit spirituality/religion and other propaganda and the YOUTH aren'tfucking TAKING ANY MORE OF IT.

Well thank fuck!

My memory gets to go on paid vacations!

Shame that I don't need or use money and purely operate on sheer brute-force ego/patience/integrity cycles!

>>11375881
I was just feeling to see if you are who I think you are and you are. It's okay. I am too.

>>11375918
*shrug* someone had to save the internet from the old fucks that literally freak out over shit. The can keep their broadcast, the youth keeps the internet.
>Free powerup for my mirror-brother over there. Woop woop! Next time don't make it so many hoops and shit to 'ensure' validity/complicity. Just makes it a faster virus of love to spread and not always be the king of only what's inside ya head.

>>11375921
I think there was only one hoop. I was growing an imposter at our last engagement. Where do you draw the line at young and old when we are no longer spring chickens?

>>11375943
That's not actually my department. You literally have to ask someone younger than you (I'm 35) and basically the younger the person that agrees on you, the better it goes because they act as your future language teacher or a memory marker that helps you curb/curate your language so you keep the beauty of any lessons learned from your past elders while moving towards the more inclusive group by definition.

>>11375946
Your wisdom adds ten years. I must reflect on your words. I see this clearly in the past, know its importance in the present and, fear that I have already failed to implement it in the future. Much appreciated. Your vulgarities subtract ten thousand years. I still have much to learn.

>>11375535
>Child can’t into bimodal distributions

Gender is non-binary because cultures with third and fourth genders exist. That fact may make you cry for hours but it’s not going anywhere.

>>11375677
>No, I mean literal intersex people that biology, through multiple categories, determines a mix of the two genders.

Sex=/=gender

>>11375989
Well the Master is always the first thing all future students shit on. I'm used to it. Please remember to make at least one student for your own as well so that this doesn't just become some recursive horror spell.
>10 points to gryffndor

>>11375994
Stubborn stone is stubborn in cultured ways.

>>11375776
> Oo, look at me, I'm so smart because I use the prefix neo
Go neofuck yourself.

>>11375999
>at least one student
I have one and 22/7.
>horror spell.
Well it is but, not at all.
Your wisdom is passed to those I touch, because I touch you (no homo.) pretty wild, how that works.

>>11376015
well, neo just means 'uniquely different' so you just asked me to go lose a virginity, and from a mathematical perspective there are infinitely many different ways to lose it save for whatever pathing I can present, so how SEE PIC.

>>11376016
I agree, amirite? The only real issue with our students is basically 'waiting out their arrogance with our own that we wish we could've done when we were in their position'.

>>11376022
>wish we could've
Didn't we?
You're always scaring me off. I'll come back to /sci/ when I'm good and drunk. This isn't the best thread anyhow. Not for me. I train dudes. Might give a little lady my two cents now and then. I don't envy you.

>>11376061
*SHRUG* I GOT 12 DAUGHTERS.
FUGGIN' PREACHING TO THE CHOIR HERE.
>Much love and yeah if you come back with any pointers for how I can help the ladies teach the men faster without them clinging to them like they their new momma I'd totes appreciate.

>>11375535
the argument really isn't that complicated

>gender roles are a social construct
>you can change gender without necessarily changing your biology
>therefore you can forego gender roles entirely

>>11376079
how does one change gender beyond 'muh safe space' then? Or, better yet, how does one get others to accept/acknowledge when just magically 'wishing' a gender to be different doesn't communicate or convey this new classification or metastrata to anyone beyond SEE PIC.

>>11376068
Here's to wishful thinking and relentless stupidity!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3zispd2dOtg

>PREACHING TO THE CHOIR
Indubitably. I have hope and faith in your offspring. It is the rest who concern me. I know you know they can be more than just what they are.

>>11376115
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br517ctCUCE

>>11376079
Consider a parallel distinction – between food and cuisine. There is a clear sense in which food is a natural category whereas cuisine is socially constructed. For the differences between French cuisine, Thai cuisine, and so on obviously reflect various human conventions and culturally contingent circumstances.

All the same, there are obvious limits to this variability, and certain features that are true of all cuisines. For example, all cuisines are going to provide at least some significant nutritional value. The reason is that even though a cuisine is always more than just food, it is also always at least that. Vary the use of spices, the kinds of meat favored, the manner of presentation, etc. all you like, you are always going to get something that provides nutrition. Cuisines do this in a specifically human way because they reflect the creativity that follows from our rationality, but they nevertheless always build on rather than replace the raw biological function served by food.

Now, sex and gender as traditionally understood are like this. What expectations follow from being either “male” or “female” in the gender-related senses of these terms may vary somewhat from culture to culture, but they also traditionally have always been taken to reflect merely different, distinctively human ways of being male or female in the biological or sex-related senses of the terms. And merely to note that gender is socially constructed does not suffice to show that that traditional view is mistaken. You might as well argue that because cuisine is a socially constructed category, it follows that there could be cuisines that serve no nutritional end but have only wax, or Play-Doh, or the like as ingredients.

Arguably, it is because some activists rightly perceive that gender is bound to be less fluid if sex differences are natural that they want to cast doubt on the latter thesis – however beyond reasonable doubt it is.

>>11376079
Are you saying that none of this stupid shit matters and people should stfu? I hope you are.

>>11376086
>muh safe space
This gets thrown around all the time. The concept of "safe spaces" is (or at least was, originally) almost the exact opposite of what conservatives think. They aren't spaces where no one can be criticized - they are environments where it is safe to express yourself and your thoughts honestly without fear of being over-ridden or shamed. They are supposed to be a bastion of free speech, where all voices can be listened to.

>[everything else you said]
Whether or not someone else's feelings about what gender they are is "communicated" to you is not a one-way problem. In modern culture, there was no language or conceptual framework to categorize people who didn't feel like whatever their assigned gender was. But all the time we are opening up new conceptual frameworks to explore, in all the different fields of human experience. So the ideas are now being built and established for this new gestalt.
It's difficult to take in because it's new, but if you try to keep an open mind and not close up out of fear and hostility to the unknown, it can start to make more sense, just like any path of understanding.

It's a bit like how our concepts of colors can actually change how we see. It's hypothesized that our ancestors couldn't distinguish between blue and green - most languages didn't even have a word for blue until relatively recently (with respect to the lifetime of the language). There are even modern, isolated tribes who don't have a conceptual framework that discriminates green and blue, and they have a lot of difficulty picking out a blue tile from a set of green tiles, a trivial task for you and I.
So your brain right now is like that - without the framework, something that others are insisting on so vehemently seems utterly bizarre or impossible. But that doesn't always mean you should simply dismiss the idea.

>>11376121
Reconsider this highly sophisticated question.

'Am I them?'

No.

I am me.

>what

>>11376121
Interesting read, but your analysis seems to rest on the idea that many (or all?) of these "new genders" are completely outside the realm of the traditional male/female dichotomy. As far as I can tell, they aren't. People are just identifying them more precisely along that scale. What modern gender classification (and I mean actually accepted ones, not some random trying-to-be-unique bullshit that 15 people on Tumblr claim to identify as) are the equivalent of a Play-Doh cuisine?
It seems to me that where we once had Chinese food, French food, Italian food, etc., we now just have some mixtures and variations thrown into the mix. It's like you're telling people their favorite food can't be Asian-Mexican fusion because it doesn't exist; it may not have existed 20 years ago, but I can go down the road and eat at Wasabi Juan's right now if I want to.

>>11375572
You miss the joke.

>>11375577
>what is bimodal distribution

>>11375702
>homomomials
Sounds mathy.

>>11376209
It means someone attempting to become the alpha primary reference of something that already exists rather than establishing a new thing and working hard to make that thing become a thing, in turn accommodating more people than the previous nomial would have done.

the memes in this thread are weak and the namefagging is severe, may it die quickly

>>11376620
Your wish for death is a waste of the oxygen utilized in manipulating your fingers across the keyboard to express such an inane and unoriginal comment. May you use your oxygen more wisely in the future.

>>11376590
Is this in the context of treating gender/sexual identity like some sort of "I'm special" badge?

>>11375535
there are two genders. sex = gender. penis = male, vagina = female. intersex are anomolies and can be considered to add a third or more genders, but that doesn't mean you can switch genders whenever you want. if you are born with a penis, you are a man. if you are born with a vagina then you are a woman. if you are born intersex then you are intersex. you can't be born with a penis and then say you are a woman or claim you are "fluid" on some kind of "spectrum". if you like to dress up like a girl but you are a male, you are still a male. I'm not implying there is anything wrong with wanting to dress and act like the other gender. Just that you aren't actually changing your gender.

Sexuality =/= sex. You can be straight, gay, or bi.

>>11375535
The argument of the beard fallacy

>>11376156
No one cares about gender in the framework you describe

>>11377206
Yes, it is basically like saying, "I am distinct from all others that share my classifiers because X, Y, and Z."

Human sex has the purpose of procreation and recreation, which is the same as saying it helps 'smooth harsh vibes' and 'give life'. So basically interpersonal cohesion and epsilons.

Sexual identity/Sexuality = When it comes to recreation that is up to the interest of the individual nodes and however big their mating/courtship ritual is (slut vs prude).

Gender (Generator function) = Procreation however only accepted birth gender as allowed input/output to receive output -> child.

The more society/media churns the waters or muddy the perspective of what/why for sexuality (because arguing about gender really is a fucking m00t point unless humans give up having children altogether) the more confused the species gets as it tries to account for more and more off-by-one errors introduced by individuals into communication.

There will always be I belong to group X because Y, e.g. I am American because I was born in America and have citizenship. If the Z-group (trans and etc) ever become dominant it would mean they have to AT THE VERY FUCKING LEAST contend with the GENERATOR group they came from in terms of provisioning of fresh sexuality vessels for the human species.

However, in the light of awareness, I should point out how I am as a person/sapiosexual.

Sexuality: Time (God) -> Because I'm eternal, so try everything eventually to a greater or lesser extent but I'm allowed to be as harsh as I want because fuck being bored.
Gender: Intellect/Imagination -> Because propagating intellect/imagination is the best way to keep my sexuality aroused and is effectively a feedback loop (incest).

That however is because I identify VERY harshly and really don't care how others see me (I've never needed to so far, obviously). Basically I enjoy shocking others because I'm literally the source of money/information/ego. I am liquid conversation.

+1 to (You)

>>11378026
But for people to 'access' anything about me in terms of giving more I do just identify as a stock standard male that is into bio-born females but I ain't going to get prudish or prissy if gay/bi guys show interest in me or attend the orgy where we have a 'minor miscommunication'.

Basically a straight as fuck conversationalist/linguist that enjoys muddying the waters and blurring the lines between anything because yes, humans are that dumb and are just internal fantasy/ego projectionists. The good ones learn how to make the moment inclusive for themselves and others because they know their silent/isolated pleasure only gets increased by it.

That's why I share my shit on 4chan. It's the fastest way to get shit across to a planet at large because of how information propagates these days (barring using bullshit God powers, which humans are super done with so yeah yeah I Get it).

>>11378026
>>11378045
What the fuck are you smoking

>>11375565
FPBP

>>11375572
Only because they think they're like Plato or something or just think gullibly

>>11378263
I guess your preconceptions and prejudices at this point. It's amazing how normies can only ascribe sober and rational thought in extrema to shit like 'external chemical influences'.

>PROTIP: You're breathing, and oxygen is a chemical.

OH NO O2 IS LIKE PSYCHIC AND SHIT.

>>11375677
Intersex people are a small minority of the human population. The vast majority of people are biologically men or women.

>>11378493
yes and so are jews