/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11368485
>I used to believe so, but as time progresses my doubt increases.
why not contribute to it's progress instead of being a whiny bitch?

Only if communism is achieved

>>11368491
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

>>11368496
Yes, communist Russia was the first in space.

>>11368514
That's nice. What are their plans for the future?

>>11368487
>He has the experience/clout to influence anyone whatsoever

>>11368526
>he makes excuses for himself

>>11368485
Dios mio im cooming

>>11368485
>will humanity ever became a space faring species?

probably not.

Everything has started going backwards.

>>11368485
Anon, Fermi Paradox is because we're in a space zoo. Even if we started traveling we'd just hit on the equivalent to the glass enclosure that cuts off the simulated nature they keep gorillas in.

>>11368572
>Anon, Fermi Paradox is because we're in a space zoo
what led you to that conclusion?

>>11368485
Not without overcoming our pathological altruism and cutting most of the planet loose.

>>11368487
>why not contribute to it's progress
How?

>>11368491
We need replicators first

>>11370628
i dont know, this isn't something i give a fuck about. if you do, figure out a way

>>11368485
Sim City.
It all depends on how you direct your resources. Its no joke to think of the world's economic output as representing a pie. If a big enough slice is devoted to space exploration then eventually we would see a return on the investment. This may have seemed possible in the 1960's and 70's, however the western world has witnessed the rise of social democracies which allocate huge budgets to social welfare programs, leaving little to be devoted to space. Promising more pensions and aid gets you votes, talking about sending another rocket up into space doesn't.

>>11368485
if we stop killing each other for retarded reasons maybe. if we keep this up definetely not lol
humanity spends more money on wars than scientific development

>>11371810
Kek, muh wars.
We are post wars for 75 years now.
There won't be another war.
All other wars since have not been true war.
We/re going in a dystopian globalist nightmare which will evolve into absolute dictatorship of which there will be no escape.
There will be no exterior force that can cause a reset in the system neither because there is no exterior.

>>11368485
highly unlikely due to physics

>>11371889
>trillions of dollars spended to force civil wars and destabilization of countries across the entire planet
>retards complain when $20 million are used for a specific scientific research
>hurr durr military spending is not a issue wars are a meme now hurr durr
yes, schizo retard. wars are still a problem. it is not because we don't have full scale retardation anymore that it means that military spending to fuck up another contry for stupid reasons is not an issue and halting scientific development.

>>11371924
>we need to give lots of money to private universities and grad students to figure out space travel!
Sorry moron, all progress thus far has been an extension of the military industrial complex. If anything, we need another world war to stoke the flame of scientific progress.

>>11371931
>If anything, we need another world war to stoke the flame of scientific progress.
LOL LIBERAL HOLOCAUST WHEN????

>>11371931
we are advanced enough that the requirement of an full escale conflict to hasten the development of society is a meme and a thing from the 20th century. a full scale modern war will just have nukes flying across the ocean and hitting their targets. we have already developed the most destructive, and cost effective killing device 70 years ago. modern conflicts waste more money on maintaning the troops on whatever location they are than on scientific development that will actually be useful.
but your sub 80 schizophrenic IQ clearly didn't let you notice that

>>11371964
bullshit, nukes exist to keep us humble while we throttle each others' shit through traditional means in the name of progress

>>11371964
>we are advanced enough
>in the last 20 years, tens of thousands of years of human history and development has completely been rendered moot, and now we must conform to my whims as a /sci/ poster when I say that we should simply just stop having wars and give lots of money to things that have vaguely interested me in the last few months
Who is the 80 IQ schizo? Just kidding, I don't mean to insult you, I'm sure you are 17-20 with an above average IQ like most posters here, you just have a limited world view. If you actually believe that you just happened to be born in an era where we have achieved such an enlightened scientific understanding that we can all of a sudden turn a corner and not do what humans have done for tens of thousands of years, you should meditate on that belief for a bit instead of getting riled up on 4chan.

>>11368485
Stop posting fap material, eternal COOMER, and get a gf.

>>11368491
This, but it's less an if than when.
In spite of what the crossboarders say socialism and class conciousness is massively on the rise and we may see it within our life time. With it comes incentive for space travel that shits on the incentive for it under capitalism, not to mention incomparably more efficient research.

>>11368485
Also, cell phones cause DNA damage, brain damage, behavioral changes, endocrine issues, organ damage, cancers, and infertility.

15 minutes per day, 15 days. 70% reduction in ovarian reserves in rats. That was wifi, can't imagine cell phone are all that different.

Do you want a woman that's got 'er eggs cooked and thoroughly in the scramble, or do you want fertile women? Hm.

>>11373346
>With it comes incentive for space travel that shits on the incentive for it under capitalism, not to mention incomparably more efficient research.
yikes

Why do we believe that it's even technologically possible? I mean easy, commonly accessed and fast space travel.

>>11371707
The world economy is literally a ponzi scheme.

>>11371964
I think OP proved his point about growing up and stopping the notion that we have some special ability in the 21st century to really let us unite and get some unprecedented space advancements done. We're still humans, man. War is in our blood. And plus, the technology just isn't there for anything real. What point does it serve to send someone to Mars?

>>11373346
>>11373359
He's not wrong. I'd be busting my ass to get off this planet too

>>11368573
His ass

>>11368485
>will humanity ever became a space faring species?
Yes. There will always be a small subset of highly intelligent and motivated people who dream big and make things like that happen through their contribution.

Don't let normies be your measuring stick on how or when it'll happen. They're only here for the ride.

>>11368566
Humans go through periods of regression. Luckily the current regression accompanied by minimal wars. If it stays that way, inter planetary species is inevitable. If we fuck up and have another big war, game over forever. EROI gives humans a time limit for getting off earth, if we don't within the time limit, earth based life has a 100% chance of going extinct. Humans are the only chance earth based life has. Let's not fuck it up

>>11371707
If the us Dedicated 20% of it's military budget to space industrialization in the 60s we would have had O'Neill cylinders in the 90s, and the first moon base this year. Humans need a fire pit under their ass.

>>11373528
Lit*

>>11368485

>Space Travel, the Mars Mission & Star Wars
https://share.dmca.gripe/V6hFptQRCdMwKTPL.webm

>>11373346
based and correct

>>11373528
But why worry accelerating progress on non-essentials? Just so that you can see it in your life time? That's pretty selfish. Diverting military resources to what is essentially autism is an easy way to show your enemies are weak and get nuked off the earth. The first nail in the coffin for the eastern roman empire was Justinianus' autistic obsession with needlessly taking back rome for the roman empire as fast as he could when he really had nothing substantial to get from having rome back in the empire. And the moment his enemies learned that he was wasting significant military resources he got raped in the ass by BIG MUSLIM COCK.

Why would humanity become spacefaring any time in the foreseeable future? There's no place for people to go in space. Other than a few hundred highly trained people in research outposts on the moon, Mars and various space stations there is no need for a large human presence. Maybe if/when we have Star Trek level FTL drives or if we can terraform Mars and Venus to be fit for colonization it can happen but right now that's just a fantasy.