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Why would intelligence evolve beyond the necessities of mere survival? Most humans seem perfectly content laying around, eating, watching TV or staring at their smartphones. Most people's religion is consoomerism, sex, money, material goods. People literally drink alcohol to suppress their higher reasoning power. Not only that, but having a larger, smarter brain means it requires more energy that the body will siphon away from muscles and actual physical strength - not a good thing for the jungle. You can argue that smart people had greater reproductive success, but that really doesn't make any sense. Somebody explain this to me.

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11358609

>>11358606
God did it. Next question.

>> No.11358611

>>11358609
There is zero evidence that god exists. Back to /x/

>> No.11358613

>>11358606
I think it’s unlikely that nature would develop a brain more intelligent than ours, in any meaningful sense. I think we are the “end” of natural intelligence
Ultimately, if intelligence is to survive for an extended period of time (on the cosmic scale) something smarter (some like Nick Boston might call it “superintelligent”) will need to come along and devise a way to escape supernovas, the sun exploding, game theory (“The Game”, specifically when dealing with other agents), and heat death.
But a purely natural biological intelligent agent would stand no chance in the long run, no, which is why you see we are already at full mental capacity and entertain ourselves by dumbing down that capacity in exchange for dopamine

>> No.11358616

>>11358611
There is zero evidence that god doesn't exists. Back to /pol/

>> No.11358621

>>11358606
Stop being a retard who believes that evolution and mutations are things that organisms "choose" to do.

>> No.11358623

>>11358611
>herr dere a lack of evidence is evidence derp

>> No.11358627

>>11358621
At what point did I claim that this was a chosen process by organisms? In fact, I quite explicitly question the chances of an intelligence evolving, because it seems largely detrimental and unwanted. Apes are perfectly content, and most humans are perfectly content getting fucked up on drugs and alcohol, sex, consoomerism, TV. Why does our intelligence exist at all?

>> No.11358632

Because something else evolves better at survival than you

>> No.11358642

>>11358611
And how many hundreds of hours have you examined religious materials to make that declaration?

>There is zero evidence for anything I don't know about. Back to >>>/mlp/ :^)

>> No.11358649

>>11358632
So, how does growing a bigger brain while losing muscle mass help with this? A bigger brain which, by the way, makes it more difficult to give birth. There's literally no animal on the planet that has as much difficulty giving birth as humans, because of the big head. Something isn't right here.

>> No.11358682

>>11358649
Ok so we were created by Aliens or God, what the fuck do you want here bro
if you want real answers you better be working towards a Kardashev Type I civilization and world peace

>> No.11358692

>>11358606
I'm not a scientist I just like to read shit on this board and sometimes I learn something, but why does everything have to be from a stand point of simply eating, shitting and reproducing? I don't think it's something you can even answer. What's the point in a human being able to question its existence at all, if we assume that life is only about survival.

And besides people are only that fucking stupid because of our education system, it's "character education". They don't know facts, they know social justice. They don't have a desire to learn because they never learned to begin with. The whole time their brains were remodeling they were just learning that homelessness is because retards aren't getting paid 15 dollars an hour and that you're beautiful no matter how fat you are . Their brains are totally wired to just sit on facebook and watch tv after they go work their shitty 9 to 5 job. I'm like 99 percent sure this is the problem, aside from the toxic effects of fast food and drugs and potato life. I don't think it has anything to do with not needing to fight for survival.

>> No.11358713

>>11358611
Imagine being this massively ignorant.

>> No.11358746

>>11358606
>Why would intelligence evolve beyond the necessities of mere survival?
Has it ever though? You have to account for group/kin selection and sexual selection in addition to natural selection to get a clearer picture of how our intelligence was formed and how it has formed us; why the selection for intelligence has been declining since the industrial revolution.

>> No.11359020

>>11358606
You may like "The Time Machine" by H.G. Wells.

>> No.11359032

>>11358627
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they are not content but they do it anyway because they don't know the alternatives or don't have the will power to implement them.

Mental health problems correlate strongly with the behaviour you described.

>> No.11359050

>>11358606
There is the sexual selection hypothesis.
Basically our human intelligence evolved like the feathers of a peacock by mate selection. Showing that you are intelligent meant that you could spare a lot of energy to invest in a energy costly big brain which made you more attractive. Not neccesarily because intelligence was always useful for survival.

>> No.11360052

>>11358713
>why the selection for intelligence has been declining since the industrial revolution.
why not the agricultural revolution?
I think its likely been declining for a lot longer than a few centuries.

>> No.11360057

>>11360052
meant for>>11358746