/sci/ - Science & Math

OP here, pragmatic atheist, by the way

whats with root(2)?

>>1135500
It was found to be that the pythagorian view of the universe was in fact incorrect given the irrational nature of 2^.5. The information was suppressed, and the pythagorians sought to separate thought from experiment.

Ultimately they were successful, and science as we knew it was put at a stand still

>>1135481
uhh cuz those fag were dead by the time of the dark ages so you blame the people who did the actual suppression at the time?

>>1135520
It started with these gentleman. The catholic church adopted the platian school of thought, that the earth and the heavens are seperate.

Actually, as far as I know, ancient greek teachings is what parly led to the eventual European 'Renaiisance'? Also, you seem to imply that 'dark age' europeans were widely and constantly influenced by greek teachings when the reality is that greek culture along with its Roman heir was largely ignored for the next couple of centuries.

Dark ages was mostly the result of the transition from nomadic barbaric tribes to nascent feudal-kingdom system.

>>1135535
The renaissance was based on Ionian tradition of experiment and interaction (I believe that is an island in greece)

>>1135533
and if that's true, whose fault is it that they followed Plato rather than cool scientific-ish Aristotle?

>>1135547
Plato.

monks were the only group that preserved knowledge, in fact once people made the split from the catholic church they destroyed many monastaries full of top sekrit knowledge b/c their jew overlords commanded them to WAKE UP SHEEPLE

>>1135567
Plenty of scientists have withheld information

Also because the Muslims did a reasonably good job of preserving that information during the same time period, and in fact are the only reason for much of that knowledge surviving through to be rediscovered in the renaissance.

btw fuck modern derka derka sandniggers

>>1135543

But don't forget that Rennaisance was mostly an age of renewed interest in art, literature and classical studies. Sure, science got its jump start around the period, but the real footing of scientific started around the end of the 17th century.

I do grant that Platonian views is what partly shaped christianity, but to put blame on a single man as the result of the dark ages (even Jesus is not fully responsible) seems unfounded. I don't personally think pythagoras had much to do with it, but feel free to provide some evidence.

Most people who talk about or reference the dark ages don't know anything about it, even the rough timeframe

>>1135578
>I do grant that Platonian views is what partly shaped christianity, but to put blame on a single man as the result of the dark ages (even Jesus is not fully responsible) seems unfounded.

Similarly, placing the blame on a single institution, no matter how powerful.

Humanity, in general, was not interested in science.

>>1135481

Past People <> Today's People

>>1135567
>monks were the only group that preserved knowledge
We know this already. This is why the Church is blamed - it kept a lot of shit to itself.

Also,
>>1135567
>sheeple
Grow up.

>>1135582
Rough time period of dark ages: 1776 - Present

>>1135617
what other group was interested?

>>1135584

I said partly, not wholly. I don't see how I am putting blame to a single person. Also, I am not putting exclusive blame on christianity either--read >>1135535

>>1135638
The scientific dark ages lasted a lot longer, though

>>1135638
>implying we live in the dark ages

>>1135638

Cool story bro.

>>1135543

>The renaissance was based on Ionian tradition of experiment and interaction
That is inaccurate. Read up on Marsilio Ficino and Pico della Mirandola.

>>1135576
>Also because the Muslims did a reasonably good job of preserving that information during the same time period, and in fact are the only reason for much of that knowledge surviving through to be rediscovered in the renaissance.

The newly discovered texts of the Renaissance were brought over from the from the Greek East. The were brought over from Constantinople to protect them from invading Muslims.

People talk a lot about the conflict between christianity and science, but I've never seen too many examples of this. The christians built a lot of universities

>>1135722
where people jerked off until real science started happening

>>1135481

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

Why so much hate, atheists?

>>1135782

Ignorance begets hate etc.

>>1135533
>The catholic church adopted the platian school of thought

exactly. The cathlic church decided to adopt that school of thought.

there were hundreds of philosophies in ancient greece. they chose that one, they are responsible for their actions.

If only Pythagoras knew that <span class="math">\sqrt{2} = 1 + \frac{1}{2 + \frac{1}{2 + \cdots}}[/spoiler]

>>1135782
>hurr I'm a durr

if you were born in europe you were automatically considered a christian, and till 100 years ago you couldn't want out of it.

>>1135803
Did you read the article? It's about people who contributed to science and to christian thought?

>>1135722
You fucking serious?

>>1135803

So how come most of those posted on the wiki have some sort of related work advocating that science and religion can coexist.

Besides mine is a wiki page.
Your's is an an provable highly debatable statement.

You should have kept the "HURR DURR" for yourself faggot.

>>1135817

But it's true. And they DID contribute to a HUGELY in academia. Don't deny it without proof.

>>1135818

because in the times they lived if something couldn't coexist with religion then it couldn't exist at all.

>>1135828
There are modern and living people on the list as well

The Dark Ages were caused by the collapse of the Roman Empire. One of things that helped to bring Europe out of it and also salvaged much Roman knowledge was the Catholic Church.

>>1135828

They were Christians and they contributed to science, period.

>>1135838

Well, God bless the RCC then, no?!

>>1135830
yes, and for the most part those are irrelevant to the progress of modern science.

with hundreds of thousands of living scientists some of them are bound to be christian. but it doesn't prove anything.

>>1135855

Whose talking about proof? It's just shows that Christians don't believe that science and religion are mutually exclusive and anyone atheist who doesn't agree is clearly not familiar enough with Christian theology. For an atheist to say that he doesn't believe that's acceptable. For him to say that they are mutually exclusive that's just retarded.

>>1135855
It's not supposed to prove anything, just that belief doesn't preclude scientific accomplishment.

Well Christianity did have something to do with it but it was mostly the barbarians fault.
Their constant raids made people submit to a king for protection establishing the feudal system

>>1135481
Somebody has just studied Nietzsche at school