/sci/ - Science & Math

If we rid ourselves of morals and ethics, I think actually killing off India, China and Africa would be great starting places

>thinking climate change is man made
kek

>>11352103
People. That's the plan, anyway, and I don't think it has to do with carrying capacity.

The report saying we use up earth's resources for a given year halfway through, how does that even work? If they claim there is nothing left for that year how are we still here?

>>11352103
everybody becoming vegan would be really helpful, we need to stop burning coal, oil and gas, also stop producing toxic and radioactive waste. collecting and recycling of plastics would be helpful as well

>>11352103
7 1/2 billion humans. A luxury we can ill afford.

>>11352128
It's like spending your savings. E.g. if you inherited a forest from your grandfathers and cut wood faster then trees can grow back you don't run out of wood the next day. But in a decade you run out of trees big enough to cut down and sell. So you need to sell your land for cheap and end up with nothing.
That's what we do on a global scale.

I propose that every fag who wants to save the environment kill himself posthaste.

>>11352205
Logically, it'd be more useful for environmentalists to kill anti-environmentalist brainlets.

>>11352103
>HUR DUR LETS MAKE HUMAN LIFE WORSE TO SAVE SOME FUCKING SLUGS AND TREES

Fuck off. I’m not going to stop polluting.

>>11352213
Denied.

>>11352213
>Let’s do eco-terrorism and get locked up forever while making environmentalism look even stupider than it already is

Great plan!

>>11352218
>>11352220
Fags &spooks mad.

>>11352221
Okay, terrorist.
You care more about unique species of lizard than humanity.

>>11352231
Oh wow that's strange. Killing environmentalists is good and normal, but killing the rotten bastards literally destroying the world is wrong and bad. How could this opinion ever appear on a website run by spooks?

>>11352237
And, btw, in response to ACTUAL terrorist anti-environmentalist lunatics saying about once a minute that environmentalists should be killed. You do realize you're the bad guys, right?

>>11352231
Not OP.
But why do you insist that human life is not only equally but more valuable than the life of any other animal?
Humans tend to be a lot more harmful and stupid, which is why I suggested mass suicide.

>>11352237
>Killing environmentalists is good and normal

I didn’t say to kill environmentalists.

> but killing the rotten bastards literally destroying the world is wrong and bad.

Nature doesn’t matter. Humans do.

>>11352250
>But why do you insist that human life is not only equally but more valuable than the life of any other animal?

Humans are the most intelligent animals, and therefore the most valuable. Humans are also my ingroup, and I will always favor my ingroup over any outgroup.

> Humans tend to be a lot more harmful

To nature.
FUCK nature.

>>11352240
Unsurprising that environmentalists are so childish that they think “bad guys” and “good guys” are real things.

>>11352266
>Hurr durr axchually turning the majority of humans into slaves for 1800 demons while making life unsustainable is great. You triggered?!? YOU TRIGGERED!??!

And this is why the middle class needs to be abolished before the billionaire class.

>>11352272
>Strawmanning

Yawn.

>>11352258
Eh I'm not sure I agree about intelligence, but my in group is only about 300 people I could give less of a fuck if the rest died.
You seem to think that humans are special or something when they can't function in groups larger than a few hundred to a thousand.
The only thing humanity has managed of significance is to spread across the globe like a bad infection, to say nothing of morality.

>>11352251
>I didn’t say to kill environmentalists.
Yes you did. You just didn't have the balls to say it in an honest way. Because like all bullies, you're a fucking coward. You have power and you think you'll always have it and you can do whatever you want without consequence. But you're still a chickenshit about it.

Pathetic.

>>11352281
You're so fucking dumb m8, 4chan isn't one person. I was the one who said environmentalists should be selfless and make more space.

>>11352258
Fuck you.

>>11352288
No, it's a bunch of stupid "people", if your kind can even be called that.

>environmentalists should be selfless and make more space.
Bad faith argumentation is still lying. I hope a dead tree falls on you and makes you into something more useful than you currently are.

>>11352279
>Eh I'm not sure I agree about intelligence

No one cares what you’re “unsure” of. Humans are demonstrably the most intelligent animals.

> You seem to think that humans are special or something

Humans are special. No other animal is as intelligent or capable as mankind. They are motes of dust and we are suns.

> The only thing humanity has managed of significance is to spread across the globe like a bad infection

The glorious expansion of humanity to all corners of the Earth is indeed among one of our greatest achievements. We raise towers of gleaming steel where once there was but trees and dirt; unexploited and purposeless. The natural world trembles before us; helpless and disgusting.

No flying

>>11352281
>Yes you did.

No I didn’t. You’re talking to two different anons.

>>11352293
The Tsavo Maneaters were shot; their bodies put on display, and their entire species has been eradicated.

Humanity has achieved final victory over nature. I’m going to throw some trash on the ground today to make you cry.

>>11352298
Can you explain why you hate your own species so much and revere what amounts to a bunch of dirt and lizards?

Sounds kinda like you’re a mentally ill loner who hates himself and his own race because he failed in life.

My idea is that we should minimize taking away personal freedoms, as that would lead to riots, but instead use monetary rewards and gratification to force people to act in a climate conscious way. People generally do whatever is economically favorable.
>Drastic reduction in world population through decreasing family support programs.
Less people use and need less stuff.
>Zero growth economy and encouraged development of A.I.
Lust for never ending growth is the reason our planet is where it is. Shrinking population with a stagnating GDP would mean that over time more and more money is left to one person, so that person would percieve their quality of life as increasing. Also means that the labor of one person is worth more and more, and people could live in greater material happiness. Automation would gradually fill in the workforce being lost.
>Heavy taxes on flying to put "bargain airlines" out of business. Increased taxes on automobiles, free and improved public transportation.
Air travel is one of our most heaviest polluters, along with automobiles. The taxes would be spent on making public transport free (and thus appealing) and to improve it's quality/modernness.
>Ban/Heavy taxes on polluting agricultural products, such as red meat and dairy.
Should not have to be explained.
>Tax exemptions/cuts for water/space efficient plants, such as rice and grains, as well as seasonal plants. Heavy taxes on water/space inefficient plants, as well as increased taxes on imported foods.
Less land and valuable drinking water would be used to feed people and more space could be devoted to reforestation and carbon dioxide fixation. Encouraging local produce would mean less ships and trains and planes wooshing around belching CO2 into the atmosphere
>Reduce military spending and focus on research into how we can put a dent into the effects of climate change, such as alternative energy sources, plastics recycling, etc.
Should be self explanatory as well.

>>11352336
>Dude lets make the world worse to protect a bunch of trees

>>11352336
>Air travel is one of our most heaviest polluters

All aviation together is only 2% of human CO2 emissions. That’s a lie.

>>11352220
>eco-terrorism
I don't know what that is. Is that where you clear cut forests and stuff?

>>11352328
You're the one who hates. You great grandparents hated blacks and jews, your parents hated hippies, and you hate environmentalists. Maybe it's genetic for you - some sort of primitive motivator that gets you doing whatever it is you need to do. You hate nature, and you hate all humans that don't benefit you personally in some way. You just can't get away with saying that so you continuously spew your 'muh humanity' bullshit.

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>>11352103
Labour theory of value says that environmental footprint is directly proportional to price of goods/service. So banning luxury goods definitely gets more bang for the buck, and also doesn't result in people starving to death. It's really the only moral course of action. Plus you'd be doing the fatties some good forcing them to go on a diet. They might now be forced to read a book or go for a walk in the trees.

>>11352103
>Which goods, luxury or normal, do you say we ban to try and save the environment?
Fertility treatments

>>11352599
seriously if you actually gave a rats ass about humanity you'd have shown some interest in science/ecology or least shown some respect to those who have. figuring out how this giant ball of life really works is the only hope we have long term. but you're just not interested in that kind of thing so quit pretending to be.

>>11352614
Most of the first world, as well as large hunks of the developing, are already below replacement level. Of course, even if the people of a nation get their population under control, politicians just use the lower birth rates as an excuse to import more people from the countries that still have high birthrates.

Which of course leads to what I would ban - immigrants. Bringing people from say Africa to Europe massively increases their CO2 output.

>>11352582
>N-no you hate people!

Nah. You want millions to starve so a species of salamander doesn’t go extinct.

>>11352619
>figuring out how this giant ball of life really works is the only hope we have long term.

Actually, that’d be setting up shop around a red dwarf star. Nature is just trash in our way.

>>11352103
reduce the population to 1.5 billion and have a nice day