/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11349033
I take you missed the whole thing about the Wuhan Institute of Virology thing.

Check this one,
https://www.newsweek.com/pentagon-weaponized-ticks-lyme-disease-investigation-1449737

>>11349033
>>11349033

>tfw this is like the boy and the wolf story with the boy being /pol/ and it is actually happening

>>11349051
b-b-but nothing ever happens... r-right?

>>11349051
>tfw this is like the boy and the wolf story on a mass scale

AGREED

>>11349059

Tell that to the dinosaurs, Mr Frog

>>11349051
>with the boy being /pol/
or the boy being the world health organization

(it isn't a serious problem)

>>11349033
does this mean it binds cd4?

>>11349131

We use blu-ray4 noways pal, get on with the ages

>>11349033
Yeah, and you have a weapon in your pocket everyday. It's called a cell phone. What are you so worried about?

>>11349033
Paper is here:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf

We're all ded fren

>>11349158
>Abstract:We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature. This work provides yet unknown insights on 2019-nCoV and sheds light on the evolution and pathogenicity of this virus with important implications for diagnosis of this virus

>>11349158
>Indian scientists
Jesus first you people said it was airborne which is not true, then said this was potentially deadlier tha ebola, again not true, and now these guys are saying this is some kind of super AIDS? If this was true then why are people fully recovering from it? Seriously this is getting embarrassing

inb4 it's fucking nothing and in one month from now nobody will care anymore

doesnt necessarily mean it was engineered. could have been a co-infection of someone with an active HIV infection and the coronavirus

>>11349181
It's not a Super AIDS. Those bugs took a coronavirus and added HIV pieces to it to ramp up its infectivity.

>>11349189
Exactly, once again these people are blowing it out of proportion in order to get another news story

>>11349033
Probably bullshit. And even if it does have weird insertions it doesn’t mean its a bio weapon. Scientists insert and edit viral genomes all the time in the lab to study any number of things. If it is a “bio weapon” its a really shitty one because it doesn’t kill very many people. If anything its a psychological weapon because all of the media is fear mongering and trying to cause mass hysteria.

>>11349192
sure. but does it bind to cd4 now

The far more worrying thing is that it seems like it has an R_0 of 4.08
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018952v1.full.pdf

>>11349158
Peer reviewed sources, please

>>11349200
Does it express ccr5 or crcx4? If so then probably. If not then no.

>>11349205
Remember when people said the R0 of ebola was 18

>>11349215
No.

Me: I can't wait to see what the new year will bring
2020: airborne hiv

>>11349158
this isn't a paper this is an undergrad's lab notes

>>11349217
>Me:
>Bullshit:
>>>/reddit/

>>11349033
Just for info: That beautiful graphical text alignment in the OP is the output of the bioinformatical tool MultAlin by Florence Corpet (not MultiAlin!), which is THE most easy to use alignment program ever made.

>>11349229
i like Ugene more, myself. it packages all the most common programs into one interface

>>11349233
I dont believe in (((packages))).

>>11349222
yeah, they should have spend a week polishing it

>>11349211
you mean the genes responsible for binding ccr5 or crcx4 as well? i see what you mean. that one group needs to check cd4 cell infection asap

>>11349158

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MORE IMPORTANT LINKS/ARTICLES:

http://archive.is/APbB1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/protein/YP_009724392.1
above archived: https://archive.is/wip/OtnCo

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/protein/AVP78033.1
above arcived: https://archive.is/LvdLH

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1
above archived: https://archive.is/BdQ5A

The protein envelope of 2019-nCoV is the same as the protein envelope described by the Institute of Military Medicine Nanjing Command 2 years ago in the paper "Genomic characterization and infectivity of a novel SARS-like coronavirus in Chinese bats"

This is that paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6135831/

>>11349051
Don't you remember the meme saying, "/pol/ is always right"?

>>11349469
Wow let's talk about it on >>>/pol/
Because it's such a paradise isn't it?

>>11349509
Welcome to 4chan. Now you can proceed to kill yourself by choking to death on some baby foreskin.

>>11349033
Indian scientist with gmail accounts

>>11349515
Keep choking on that /pol/tard cock.
Maybe the white load will be shot down your throat.
Feels great to be white doesn't it?

>>11349208
Literally what's the point?

>>11349469
/pol/ is always right but it isn't right about everything, it just says a lot of shit and sometimes is more correct

>>11349208
>expecting peer review in less than half a year

>>11349217
Worst meme of the decade.

>>11349609
even a broken analog clock is right twice a day
>>11349648
I'd rather wait for cooler heads to prevail with a well reasoned argument than chase the frenetic rumors of the day
I bet you rush out to see all the newest movies too

>>11349662
Life has never been better for people that love destruction

>>11349665
Not what I said. Reading comprehension is a scarce talent these days.

>>11349681
Paracetamol causes infertility

>>11349197
Stop trying to ruin a bunch of retards' rampant hysteria with common sense.

>>11349197
>>11349709
50 million people are under quarantine. hospitals are overrun with dying. this is a huge deal

>>11349681
>>11349690
NEVER take paracetamol, or anything that reduces fever. You need that temperature to fight infections well enough. Heat yourself up until you don't feel cold anymore. Heat yourself and the bed with a hair dryer if you must, it will speed up your recovery.

>>11349873
And gobble up fish oil pills

>>11349033

>>11349892

>>11349048
Reminder the propaganda machine domestically started blaming "foreign forces" weeks ago:
>One ominous sign, said a U.S. official, is the that false rumors since the outbreak began several weeks ago have begun circulating on the Chinese Internet claiming the virus is part of a U.S. conspiracy to spread germ weapons.
>That could indicate China is preparing propaganda outlets to counter future charges the new virus escaped from one of Wuhan’s civilian or defense research laboratories.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/
And I'd never heard of the Washington Times either but this guy confirms it at great personal risk to himself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjKM3BFewok

Seems the CCP is in fact terrified of the people and now they have the perfect pretext to put to the entire country on pre-emptive lockdown.

>>11349515
based AND redpilled
>>11349528
clamped, vaccinated, circumcised

>>11349873
Except I thought fevers weren't always infective. It's allegedly comes from bats, and bats have a higher body temperature than humans.
A fever in this case seems like your body harming itself for no fucking reason.

So, in three weeks when all if this blows over like SARS did (just need to cull a few thousand bugpeople), will you people feel silly or just go on your merry way and forget about all the paranoia-posting?

>>11349982
>in three weeks when all if this blows over
This wont even peak for 3 or 4 weeks

>>11349982
In china it's already twice the number of infections, and the number of new cases keeps increasing.

>>11349987
Sourse? It seems it has balanced today with more recoveries than death

>>11349982
in such a case ill just feel relieved and acknowledge that /sci/ is smarter than /pol/ who just worked themselves up into a frenzy based on bullshit. i will feel silly but i always feel silly about these kinds of things because im constantly paranoid/anxious about something

>>11350032
*reported death, and it's doesn't balance at all until recoveries outpaces the number of newly infected. And I think that would just be the halfway mark, in fact, not sure though.
If everything the chinese say is true Id say between 50-100 thousand cases worldwide as a final tally. Otherwise it might go in the millions.

>>11349449
Don't make retarded posts like
>SPAM
SPAM
>SPAM
SPAM
This isn't /pol/.

>>11350040
It takes many powerful blows to even dent the consensus of this massive world.
Bullshit won't cut it.

>>11349911
So American media is reporting that the Chinese government created this virus and are blaming the Americans to cover it up? How do we know the American media isn't pre-emptively accusing China of creating this virus to cover up that it was created by America?

>>11350032
It was going exponentially until they enacted the quarantines of Wuhan and the neighboring cities. The quarantine slowed it down, they're still (officially) reporting over a thousand new cases a day, and now cases outside the quarantine are starting to explode as well.

Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwXMPsbxFfo
it's a few days old now, so the numbers aren't very accurate, but you can see why this isn't going to blow over in a matter of weeks.

>>11349449
Optimized...

>>11349982
do you really think they'll make it three whole weeks without finding something new that's REALLY HAPPENING FOR REAL THIS TIME?

>>11350042
Doubt it would be at the millions honestly

>>11349208
Biorxiv is a preprint, just like arxiv. Its going through peer review, but this is what was submitted so the world can see it earlier.

>>11350076
And yet it's mostly being contained in the city it originated in, sure those other cites have it by the hundreds most people will end up surviving besides the old and feeble. All the other countries have all access blocked off from China so they are now all set in letting the tourists recover from it. By then it'll just be exclusive to mainland China which will take a bit to recover too.

>>11350124
>And yet it's mostly being contained in the city it originated in, sure those other cites have it by the hundreds most people will end up surviving besides the old and feeble
There are multiple other cities that now have as many cases as Wuhan did when it was first quarantined.
There's no containing it now, all they can do it keep quarantining and slowing down the growth rate.

>inB4 some scientists thought they found the biggest discovery of their careers but turned out they just ruined their names

>>11349033
lol gag protein from hiv
faggots...

>>11350083
zopflipng?

>>11350151
IN china, your just going keep projecting until you'll say it's a pandemic. It's being contained in those cites anon. Stop being a doomer.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200131221906/https://medium.com/@siradrianbond/coronavirus-2019-ncov-part-1-d6a338eed7c5

>>11350185
>What are you worried about? It's been totally contained to just 1.4 billion people. This is a total nothingburger, why are we even discussing this.

>>11350103
It depends how much he Chinese government lied, we're relying on their figures for nearly everything. there were nearly a dozen international cases while it was still in the hundreds in china, allegedly. Even during the new year that's bizarre.

>>11349666
anon is talking about the faggy
Me:
Some other shit:
Only other place I've seen it is youtube comments

>>11350193
lmao they took that off of medium? Is medium funded by the CCP?

>>11350197
>Wojack
Argument disregarded. And with that I'm done talking about this dumb Chinese exclusive virus. I'm probably not going to focus on it again unless something significant happens like for instance an unlikely outbreak here.

YES, I HAVE HEARD THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY AS WELL. THANK YOU KINDLY FOR YOUR MISINFORMATION.

Dr. DingBat has had too many BATS for dinner...

>>11349666
>Life has never been better for people that love destruction
checked Satan

>>11350068
The absolute dumbest US senator is smart enough (or has seen enough science fiction flicks) to know bio-weapons are a NO-NO-NOOOOOOPE for the simple reason after release it can't be controlled, our knowledge of the natural world and especially viruses and bacteria is so limited no technological or scientific feat could predict mutation and horizontal gene transfer. This is one of the many reasons bio-weapons are banned into oblivion, since it could end us as a species.
>How do we know the American media isn't pre-emptively accusing China of cr
These rumors were already spread by Chinese state media before the world even took notice of this. More to the point, the CCP knows it won't last 10 more years deceiving 1.4B people, and the US has no reason or motive to do anything like this, while the CCP has literally every motive (and is devoid of reason) and apparently their virologists weren't able to talk some sense into them. The CCP is on life-support and that's precisely the amount of "desperate and fucking stupid beyond belief" they'd have to be to resort to shit like this.

Very short-term, this is a surefire method of getting HK, elections, democracy etc. off the minds and newsfeeds of Chinese citizens, and to literally physically empty the streets and close down entire cities. I'm normally the most skeptical person in the room when it comes to conspiracy theories, but this is just daylight robbery and everyone has to pretend to be blind and deaf because China is a hostage situation. Not sure to what degree of certainty it can be proven just from the genome but we'll see, I'm no virologist but I doubt hastily slapping together a little pandemic wouldn't leave obvious traces or markers. As for the accidental release theory, that's simply not how Pathogen L4 labs work and it wouldn't have "accidentally" been released in a wet market either.

>>11349892
Based Chad scientist.

>>11349873
Yeah this never made sense to me. If your body thinks it's good to heat up, why would you do the opposite? Fucking stupid

I love the obvious CCP shills. They've been on literally every board

>>11349873
literal idiot

>>11349873
Permanent brain damage in a few easy steps

>>11349873
Can you also tell me how to grow those cool crystals?

>>11349873
lol this is funnier than the elderberry juice guy

>>11349892
>>11350828
>the virgin US disinfo tool vs. Chad the scientist

>>11349033
I refuse to take anyone using emoticons seriously.

>>11349033
>OVER
https://youtu.be/4oxLdYJ7whE?t=1m7s

This is now the official coronavirus theme music.

>>11349033
On an unrelated note, would coronachan going recombinant with HIV be possible? Like someone with HIV gets the virus, the two combine, then you have HIV spreading like the flu. retroviruses have protections against recombination with host cells/other viruses right?

>>11349518
Vladimir Vapnik has a gmail account, and he built the theoretical foundations of Machine learning.

FFS, he's alive and the foundations of machine learning are named after him.

>>11349181
China is the only country reporting recovery. Results are all chinese timestamp

>>11349509
>bitching about /pol/ like a child
Newfags get the bullet, I imagine you browse /sci/ to make yourself feel like an intellectual

>>11349033
9 grams monolaurin daily, taken 3g at a time spaced throughout the day. Similarly, 6 grams of liposomal vitamin C taken 2g at a time. You're cured.

>>11349048

Whoa, what's with Massachusetts? lol it's my state, are we the Poland of Lyme disease?

>>11349681
Doesn't Goku eventually win this fight though?

>>11353577
I think you people just don't go outside much because you're too busy having sex with other men.

>>11352659
No... Australia has discharged a few previously infected people already

>>11350068
>>11350605

The spicy take is that the virus was developed in the Wuhan BSL-4, then released via western cyber attack

>>11349609
This is the best definition of /pol/, the paranoia is so high and they throw so much shit at the wall that some things end up sticking.

The place became insufferable since 2016 with the reddit exodus however because now they think that what they say is necessarily true, like they're blessed with supernatural insight while they're just Dunning Kruger pleb.

>>11353779
>dunning kruger
not real, effect disappears when feedback is present, understated in domains where most people feel obviously out of their depth, parroted as real by actual midwit pseuds like (you)

>>11353780
>there is feedback on /pol/ and not a giant circlejerk where everyone will call you a shill/jew/dumb nigger if you don't go along with the most sensational and inflammatory theory

How new are you?

>>11353784
i dont post on /pol/ or enjoy interacting with /pol/ niggers anymore than i do actual niggers.

>>11350844
because that fever can actually kill you

I hope we all die.

>>11353868
Eventually

>have delta 32 mutation
Am I immune to Coronavirus bros

>mfw re3 remake in less than two months

>>11349048
That reminds me. Could we stop lyme disease using CRISP on ticks like we're doing for malaria and mosquitos?

>>11353923
just eat lemons

>>11349681
Except they don't have enough medicine and beds to treat all the patients. As long as they can control the symptoms the virus isn't all that deadly. But all the hospitals are over saturated. That's why there are so many deaths inside China but so few outside.

This proves the viability of less lethal but fast spreading viruses as bio weapons. Cities are in lock down, their healthcare system is overwhelmed, factories are closed, ect...

>>11353923
stop fucking other men in bushes

>>11353918
This whole virus thing was a really weird ARG campaign for it, but props to capcom.

>>11350605
According to some sources it wouldnt be the first (or even the third) a coronavirus escape from labs in China

>>11353927
Good point.
In case of conflict or tensions you don't need to go full retard with a superkilling bug, just make them sick enough to fuck up their economies and make it a nightmare to manage for the guys in charge.

>>11349873
>>11349943
>>11350909
>>11350914
you dumb fucks your body isn't going to kill itself.

your body can control its temperature very precisely to a point where bacteria gets harmed but the cells protect them self via heat-shock proteins.
german wiki article is verry based on that topic
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fieber
the English article is shit and recommends rapid cooling of the body.

>>11349033
>tfw they use aids meds to cure it
bio weapon comfirmed

>>11349033
/sci/

Was and is HIV a lab engineered virus in of itself?

>>11353948
kek

>>11349509
>We keep spending most of our lives
>Livin' in a 4chan paaaaaaradise

>>11355194
>"aids med"
Aka standard antivirals.
There really should be an iq test to post here.

>>11349048
>the power of dunkin iced coffee

>>11355198
Is sex with a woman, but lights out, smooth jazz music in the background, gay?
Is anal sex or oral sex with a woman gay?

>>11355232
Is this true? I thought there was something more specific that kept King James alive.

>>11349048
>MA cheating by not reporting lyme cases
That's some demonic shit. Fuck that state.

>>11356536
>Is sex with a woman, but lights out, smooth jazz music in the background, gay?
It's not gay unless you do anal.
A bit of soft lighting is better
Bang on Lothario anon, bang on.

>Is anal sex or oral sex with a woman gay?
Anal is bi-sexual at best but at worst is probably gay; I mean you have a glorious orifice designed specifically for your manhood and you deliberately jam into the one hold full of shit. Power and stubborness.

Oral sex is both perfectly lovely, encouraged and when a man is with a women; if you are giving this do so at key points and with good gusto but only with based women and mix it up with other things. Don't overdo it as women will get too comfortable.

>>11349982
>will you people feel silly or just go on your merry way and forget about all the paranoia-posting?
They'll just find a new HAPPENING to beat their meat over. If pressed, they'll just string together some bullshit about how THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT or I WILL BE VINDICATED BY HISTORY.

>>11349033
>"Dr" (((feigl))) ding-dong

You mean the guy that's been trying to spread worrying unverified info for more than a week now ?

The paper doesn't tell you that this sequence is non specific to HIV and could be from any other virus. And of course Ding-Dong won't tell you either.

>>11354990
>you dumb fucks your body isn't going to kill itself.

Yes it can fucktard, also your own immune system can fuck you up to death via a cytokine storm.
It can dehydrate you to death via diarrhea
The immune response is one of few mechanisms in the body that can go out of control very rapidly.
>bacteria
We're talking about viruses here, they're usually more heat resistant than living beings such as bacteria.

When your temperature goes beyond 40°C you HAVE to manage it with paracetamol or a shower/bath
41°C is the threshold beyond which your proteins start to denature, you don't want to reach that redline, whether you've got an infection doesn't matter in the slightest

If so it's got to be one of the most useless bioweapons in history, catapulting dead bodies into forts had a higher fatality rate.

>>11359367
Deadly viruses kill too quickly to spread efficiently, so you'd need to manufacture more of them, use more of them, and then in return you risk killing your own people in case of an accident.

Virus like corona or SRAS would be perfect, they spread very efficiently, they kill a decent quantity of people and disable people for a long period of time. Bioweapons should be used as a means to strain the opponent's health services, infrastructure and ressources, and also, by disabling able workers, to reduce for a while their industrial capacity.

They should be viewed as strategic weapons more than tactical weapons that kill everyone within their reach.

>>11359379
The panic has had a bigger impact than the virus, we won't ever get reliable numbers because china but with how many armed militias are guarding towns I wouldn't be surprised if they end up killing more.

>>11354990
Your body can and will overheat until you die.

>>11357862
>Oral sex is both perfectly lovely, encouraged and when a man is with a women
How is this different to anal?
I'd rather stick my cock in the one with shit than the one with mouth germs.

>>11349197
>If it is a “bio weapon” its a really shitty one because it doesn’t kill very many people.
It is better at infecting and killing than anything we've seen before...

>>11349873
>NEVER take paracetamol, or anything that reduces fever. You need that temperature to fight infections well enough.
Not true. It is intended to fight infections, but it doesn't even work. There is not proof that fever even works, it's just the best thing that your body can try in many circumstances.
>inb4 but your body is perfect and knows how to heal itself
No. There are dozens of things that literally fuck you up and you don't stand a chance. What keeps you alive is vaccines and medicine, not leaving your body to its own resources.

>>11349033
>EricDing
You mean the guy who has never seen an R0 of 3.8 in his entire career, despite measles having an R0 of 18? This guy is a joke and multiple doctors already corrected him on how retarded he is. In terms of credibility he's only one step away from being /pol/.

>B-BUT HIV MEDICATION WORKS ON IT
Yeah, because it has some of its genome in common with HIV. Much like how humans have some of their genome in common with bananas.

>B-BUT THE PAPER SAID
It was retracted precisely for being low quality bullshit.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/03/retraction-faulty-coronavirus-paper-good-moment-for-science/

Stop being retards and stop giving retards attention. Little Ding has zero credibility.

>>11349033
it's fake idiot

>>11349528
Why the homophobia?

>>11359535
None of those "flaws" were even explained.
>The author’s methods seemed rushed, and the findings were at most a coincidence
Really? That's all it takes to disprove something. LMAO

>>11359423
Shit contains more germs than the mouth, especially if washed.
Bowels are literally germ incubators, also you won't get STDs from a blowjob, but anal yes def.

>>11359909
Yes, because I'm pretty sure that's an exact quote and not just paraphrasing. I'm 100% certain that just saying "looks rushed to me, bro" is everything that's required to get a scientific journal to retract a publication.

Look, Ding is a retard and it's not habbeding no matter how much you want it to.

>>11349205
>The results indicate that 2019-nCoV has a higher effective reproduction number than SARS with a comparable fatality rate.
>comparable fatality rate
Hm? Last I checked it's nowhere near 14%

>>11359991
Running alignments matrices takes seconds. Of course some faggot gonna say muh probability it's wrong when running them. Hell it was probably because of that article doctors even started using HIV medication which apparently is a brilliant idea. Nothing you ever did helped anyone. Get that through your thick skull.

>>11359610
ironic botposting is still botposting

>>11359340
>ebola outbreak was fucking 6 years ago

>>11349215
Nope.

>>11360034
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.3.2000044

To be fair, 14% is the most pessimistic number we have and even this article indicates the real percentage is most likely lower. But yeah, 14% is the worst case scenario.

What the fug :D

>>11360207
Wikipedia isn't about facts.

>>11359945
How do you wash shit? Seems like it would just fall apart.

>>11349189
>>11349195
Stop ruining my immersion guys

>>11359423
>How is this different to anal?
I'd rather stick my cock in the one with shit than the one with mouth germs.

Nigga
You Gay,

>>11349051
>haha yeah bro this 0.01% mortality rate virus is gonna wipe out civilization guys haha its HAPPENING haha

>>11360319
I was clearly referring to cleaning the mouth.

Why aren't you guys talking about Charles Lieber? Apparently this guy was working for China doing research for 50k a month and he lied about it to us Gov. Arrested now.

>>11349033
>Corona is related to HIV virus
It's a bioweapon that is making us gay

>>11360386
It's 2 percent you stupid nigger

>>11353868

Soon insh'Allah