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11345081 No.11345081 [Reply] [Original]

I'm not referring to depression or alexithymia, or at least, I don't know enough to say if I am or not. What I mean is, how do I tell the difference between a learned or automatic physical response to a stimulus (laughing at a joke, etc.), and the actual conscious experience of an emotion? Or, how can I tell if what I think of as a given feeling matches the actual experience of that feeling? For example, when in a situation where it's appropriate for me to feel embarrassed, I will be aware of a sensation of increased circulation around the neck, but I don't know if I'm actually feeling embarrassed (in the way that other people feel when they use the word), or if indeed there is anything I'm supposed to be feeling beyond that physical sensation. As another example, during the first time in my life when I was required to speak publically, I became visibly pale and dizzy, but I don't recall ever actually feeling nervous, rather the physical symptoms seemed to manifest for no reason, despite the context and stimuli being appropriate.

>> No.11345126

>>11345081
I've wondered this too. I guess in general if you find yourself behaving in a certain way when no one is there to see you, then you know that you have either been trained well or you really are feeling emotions independent of some sort of learned cultural behaviour. I would assume some emotions are learned behaviours, but maybe some aren't. It would make sense to me if the feeling of compassion for a cute baby is something instinctual, but I can't figure out how to prove this to myself.

>> No.11345137

>>11345081
>For example, when in a situation where it's appropriate for me to feel embarrassed
what's appropriate to feel embarrassed about is subjective.

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>>11345081
>I will be aware of a sensation of increased circulation around the neck
this isn't enough, what are you feeling emotionally while this is going on? nothing?

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>>11345081
>I became visibly pale and dizzy, but I don't recall ever actually feeling nervous
so do you want to feel nervous or something?

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>>11345081
>implying other people feel emotions

https://vitrifyher.com/2020/01/20/why-other-people-might-not-be-conscious/

>> No.11345155

>>11345150
>https://vitrifyher.com/2020/01/20/why-other-people-might-not-be-conscious/
>now that i am 22
lol fuck that article

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>>11345126
>It would make sense to me if the feeling of compassion for a cute baby is something instinctual, but I can't figure out how to prove this to myself.
how about a population of 8 billion fucking retards? is that good enough proof for you?

>> No.11345215

>>11345137
Yes, obviously. This has nothing to do with my question.

>> No.11345219
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>>11345215
then reply to my followup replies faggot and give me an idea of what the fuck it is you want from us

>> No.11345220

>>11345142
That is the core of the problem. How do I determine what I'm feeling? I don't have any way of knowing what other people feel they say they're feeling a certain emotion, so I have no idea if my experience is similar or different. So how can I know if we're referring to the same experiences when we use the same words?

>> No.11345221

>>11345143
I want to know what it means to feel nervous.

>> No.11345223

>>11345219
What followup replies?

>> No.11345224

test

>> No.11345229
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>>11345221
then read up on the countless retards that blog about what their anxiety feels liek
>>11345220
>So how can I know if we're referring to the same experiences when we use the same words?
you should have gotten comfortable with being yourself a long tiem ago. stop giving a fuck about what other people feel and whether or not you feel the same thing. would you prefer to be liek everyone else as opposed to yourself? because that's mental illness. you're more NPC than NPC's.

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>>11345220
>How do I determine what I'm feeling?
i dont fucking know, if you can't tell what you're feeling, even if it's nothing, you might be too retarded for me to help.

>> No.11345234

>>11345229
It's got nothing to do with being like other people or being comfortable. I wasnt to figure out if what I think are emotions, are, so I can communicate and think more effectively. What are you so angry about?

>> No.11345237

>>11345231
How do you determine what you're feeling, then?

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>>11345234
>What are you so angry about?
this is 4chan /b/ro, anger is the only proper way to communicate here

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>>11345237
i was born extremely neurotic and self-obsessed. spent lots of time inside of myself trying to figure out my emotions along with everyone else's. i got a solid 18 years of experience just festering in my own anxiety desperate to conjure up meaning to anything.

>> No.11345263

>>11345259
Alright, now how about answering the question. How do you determine what you're feeling?

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>>11345259
i guess i should add that i went out into the world in the midst of this and experienced countless people. lived and worked in 3 states. had all sorts of experiences. only thing that ever mattered to me was figuring my emotions own. mostly so i can live to an old age comfortably. which requires a monumental social aspect. which i fucking hate. but it is what it is.

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>>11345263
>How do you determine what you're feeling?
i already told you. i obsess over my insides until i figure them them fuck out. hopefully im doin a gud job.

>> No.11345275

>>11345265
>>11345268
Not an answer.

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>>11345275
lol im not here to figure your shit out for you little faggotbitch. if you dont want to obsess over your perception and get to the bottom of this you shouldn't have made the thread. i aint gonna perform for you liek a stupid fucking monkey more than i already have. go fuck yourself.

>> No.11345279

>>11345277
That is exactly why you are here.

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>>11345279
nah im here to sperg out and offer insight where i can. you aren't willing to accept any because you're a narcissistic little cunt. fuck off im goin to the store

>> No.11345285

>>11345281
Nope, you're not going anywhere.

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>>11345285
you're right i gotta way for the fucking windshield the thaw out LOL

>> No.11345308

Whoever the nigger replying to OP is is a mong js
Gay thread

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>>11345308

>> No.11345348

>>11345220
Beetle in a box Witgenstein. Look it up.

>> No.11345375

>>11345081
That sounds like alexithymia. Do you have ADHD by any chance?

Knowing what emotions are like for other people is a more general problem. The principle that you can't know what other people experience (colours, sounds, etc) is called qualia.

Before I summon the "consciousness is magic"-niggers let me object that it goes for pretty much anything. You can't know what rocks feel, but maybe you wouldn't expect that since rocks aren't known for their sensory apparatus. A camcorder on the other hand, could be interrogated for at least part of its experience. It's just not easy to do with people.

>> No.11345595

>>11345081
Just do what >>11345348 said. Witty is smarter than any /sci/entist and he considered this exact problem.

>> No.11345609

>>11345348
Thanks, that doesn't help at all.

>> No.11346489

am i the only one who feels emotions in certain areas?
i feel fear on my ass cheeks, happiness in upper back, sadness on eyelids, etc