/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11325113
Ok but what was the point of this thread?

>>11325116
read the subject of the thread, subhuman.

>>11325113
I agree, fuck the moneygrabber energy j*w

I use a small panel to power my laptop and want to go bigger, my only concern is that I wish there was more non-chinese options.

>>11325113
Solar is getting way better. When those new 'salt water batteries' hit the market, solar will become more reasonably feasible for John Everyman.
There's no reason not to. It should be the same as insulating your house. It beats paying the electric/energy company every month to do something you can proof against. The problem right now is solar is hella expensive for most and takes too long to pay off.

>>11325113
Reminder that the "Really Deep Hole" method of disposing nuclear waste was planned, but abruptly cancelled, in 2016.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_borehole_disposal
For "lack of funding"

Go nuclear

>>11325113
Enjoy DC electrocution.

>>11325113
infinite solar power await at the core of the planet.

>>11325113
Solar is just not practical everywhere, hydro might cover places where there is no sun, but plenty of rain, but not without severe changes to the cycle of water itself. Solar also takes up a lot of real estate and real estate will be at a premium in the near future.

No, solar is a stop gap measure at best.

>>11325113
At least post some stats about how cheap it's getting or something..
Judging from the fact that most places don't have roofs with solar, it seems like it's not economical enough yet.

>>11326001
It's basically exponential.
dunno what's our point in 2020, but you can get some cheap solar panels for your phone in like 30 bucks.

>>11325113
Solar is only useful for microgrids or support grids, its completely useless for large scale generation.
Id say nuclear is the future.

>T. EE

>>11326005
Well, it's still more expensive than utility power in most places it seems. Problem will be that if the tech becomes cheaper and everyone suddenly wants solar, prices will rise again as the materials used to produce them become used up, requiring more mining of ever diminishing and more difficult to reach ore grades.

>>11326048
>mining
>not urban mining
ok boomer

>>11326057
Urban mining will be huge after the coronavirus thins out the population

>>11325113
>is becoming the cheapest
already is

>>11325308
what happened in 2016 again?
It's actually incredibly ironic how pro nuclear the Obama administration was even after Fukushima, and how incredibly hostile to nuclear the Trump admin has been.

>>11326093
Serious question: if it's so much cheaper than everything else, why don't you see solar panels everywhere?
Could it be that these statistics are bullshit and don't include a lot of the real-world costs?

>>11326019
but that's the exact opposite of true, go back to school.

>>11326110
most of all because people are fucking retarded

>>11326110
building a brand new solar plant isn't cheaper than running your existing coal or Ng plant in every case. That being said it's getting close, second solar + storage still isn't cheaper than NG, it's still cheaper than nuclear but still has a way to go.

private home solar installation here in ohio is basically a gold rush for the company i work for(powerhome solar). demand is definitely outstripping what little supply we have up in the way of companies to provide that sort of thing

>>11326122
Well that's the thing: these statistics should reflect the costs involved, including storage and dealing with the intermittent nature of renewables. Saying that it costs $42 per MW without this clarification is misleading, especially when storage technology still has a very far way to go.

>>11326125
Interesting. Are there any subsidies for solar there?

>>11326129
doesn't matter for peak load which is when cheap power matters the most, we're not close to the point where only solar+storage should be added.

>>11325113
I don't know how viable solar is in large powerplants, but on an individual scale it's great.
I thing in the future every modern abode will be supplemented with their own solar system.

>>11326135
Well peak load is generally during the day for industrial areas, and in the evening in service based economical centers.
I'd argue that you need some sort of storage if you want to implement a lot of solar in a service based economy.

>>11326133
yes ohio is more loose with subsidies than most states tbf that's why, upper middle class homeowners really benefit from it most. ohio is a very cloudy state by us standards too

>>11326142
Didn't you notice planes planting aluminum in the sky under the pretence of fighting the global worming?

>>11326157
wut

>>11326158
something of the kind:
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/511016/a-cheap-and-easy-plan-to-stop-global-warming/
I'm too sleepy to google it further

>>11325113
name 1 case that nuclear failed

>>11326165
>want the goverment to control energy production
good goy

>>11326168
theyre better ran as private companies

>>11326162
What the fuck are you talking about, I'm talking about solar panels, chief.

>>11325113
>solar panel literally can't pay itself on its lifespan
into the trash it goes.
nuclear is way better, we should fusion OP

>>11325113
Solar is in the past, Coom-power is what's up-and-coming.

nuclear shouldn't be impractical. left-wing shitheads in the bureaucracy slapped a bunch of regulations on it

>>11326504
>oh noes, reality

>>11326405
citation?
existing solar plants are certainly doing better than the joke that is vogtle

>>11326557
Now take away their government subsidies at every level and see if they can ever pay for themselves in economic or energetic terms.

>>11326562
sure check out this unsubsidized analysis of the levelized cost of energy

>>11325113
This year, you could now buy a cheap land out in the middle of nowhere and get electricity, gigabit internet, foods shipped to you, all without leaving your new home.

when do we start using deserts as massive solar generators?

>>11326562
>government subsidies
The U.S. spends $26 billion annually subsidizing fossil fuels.

>>11327289
Is that including the pollution, decommissioning, and unaccounted environmental losses?

>>11327325
companies get paid to decommission their old oil rigs

>>11326142
It should be a legal requirement already to install at least a certain output per new construction, along with heat pumps. The extra cost included in a mortgage is well worth it rather than the financial shock and large upfront capital investment of a whole new system on what usually is an already ageing building

>>11327153
Starlink internet soon, then I will never have to interact with civilization ever again

>>11327163
What are you going to do with that power? You can't store it and can only feasibly transfer a certain distance.

>>11325113
>Nuclear is too unpractical
>too
By what standard? If you want to move away from fossils you absolutely need a supplemental power source on tap. Just solar/wind isn't gonna cut it.

>>11327473
You only need like 1% of the solar light that enters in like one hour to cover a year of current humanity uses, or some shit like that.

The sun gives a shit ton of energy every day for free.

>>11326562
You want gas price to rise to $10 per gallon? You want your coal electricity prices to rise to $1000 per month? What's wrong with you kid? Subsidy is good for oil and coal. Solar is bad.

>>11326405
>>11326562
Grampa, this isn't 2005 anymore. Technology evolves, prices go down, you know.

>>11327451
2% transmission loss per 1000km is pretty decent desu

>>11327490
>You want gas price to rise to $10 per gallon?
yes
>You want your coal electricity prices to rise to $1000 per month?
yes
>Solar is bad.
prove it

>>11327602
based and ecopilled

Solar and wind are not capable of sustaining an entire power grid. Nuclear is the future with small amounts solar and wind tech in every household to feed back into the grid

>>11327599
French dairy theorizer

>>11326169
See: Enron

>>11327451
Solar reactors make or foundaries?

Massive solar in orbit to start--------->self replicating solar dyson satellites around sol. Anybody read Piscina Livre?