/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11316696
>ITT: Discuss MBTI
it's fucking gay and a load of horseshit

>>11316700
You faggots are like the freetards on /g/.
Just fuck off please.

>>11316701
Why don't you go into detail about why it's not gay and not a load of horseshit instead of being a whiny bitch?

>>11316704
I started the thread with a neutral view on the subject, with a discussion purpose. Nowhere I claimed that the thing is 100% accurate legit science, actually is what I'm questioning.
Sorry if I'm not a contrarian faggot that adheres to memes quicky like the cattle you are.

>>11316711
>Sorry if I'm not a contrarian faggot that adheres to memes
Don't apologize, just get the fuck out LOL

>>11316696
Not science

>>11316696
Not science

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>>11316700
Being this memey should be a ban offense.

>>11316736
being this anti 4chan should be an executional offense GET THE FUCK OUT

>>11316696
Where is the study showing it has better predictive power than random guessing?

>>11316745
I never really took my time on google scholar to see studies about it. But just look at https://www.16personalities.com/insights, its purely empirical data. There are traits that is way more prevalent in some types than others, obviously it would be more predictive than random guessing.

>>11316736
>posts psychology shit on a science board
>hurr stop telling me to fuck off

If you're going to argue against MBTI, you have to counterargue Carl Jung.

If not, you're just a mainstream brainlet parroting popular opinions.

>>11316752
i lol'd

>>11316757
>If you're going to argue against MBTI, you have to counterargue Carl Jung.
i cant counter argue a dead nigga

>>11316759
Not with your sub 100 IQ

>>11316770
or a living person to argue against LOL

>>11316711
>that adheres to memes quicky like the cattle you are.
>16 personalities test

>>11316696
I think it's all a meme and an attempt to more accurately market crap to retards.
Protip: it doesn't work and it's all nonsense.

>>11316757
>counterargue Carl Jung
Who earned a lot of money from his nonsense, arguably stimulating the psychology/pharmaceutical industries to a new level.

>>11317053
That's not what Jung did, he actively worked against that nonsense as much as someone in that period could.

>>11316745
For example, women are less likely to have the NT combination than men. Especially INTJ women are rare, making up only 0.5-1% of the whole population. Where as male INTJ is composed of around 3%. Most women are the nurturing types, like INFJ (if I remember correctly it's around 20% of the population). I myself don't think it's 100% accurate since it's pretty immpossible to do such a thing, but it does give you a good general idea.

>>11316696
Why do you post this shit?

>>11317031
oh man im gigglin

>>11316704
how about run the suggested control experiment from OP, or find where it's been done the dozens of times before and observe the results? you will find that MBTI type correlation in particular fields and communities is much greater than zodiac occurrence which by contrast is effectively random.
When you run such a survey in a venue like this instead you find that it's some absurdly massive fraction slanted INTJ/INTP, who together are less than 5% of the distribution in the general population, and those types are your carbon copy description of hacker/autist/genius/savant that you'd expect to congregate in places like this. And that correlation holds fucking everywhere you run the same experiment.
AND THEN AN ENTP WALKS IN AND SAYS "THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT AND DOESN'T HAVE ANY PREDICTIVE POWER"

>>11317314
ENTP here. I have no problem with MBTI. It's a mental model that has a number of dimensions, which is more more complex and nuanced than how most people perceive the concept of personality. It is flawed, but so is literally everything else, and it's a pointless, self-serving action to kill an idea in its infancy instead of either giving it the chance to grow or at least providing an alternative. Or perhaps even less, saying something original and funny that isn't the usual regurgitation.

There may be something there, especially if you learn about the functions. At the same time, I do wonder how much we are only choosing masks that society tailors rather than some inherent collection of traits. I can convince myself into any one of the types, which isn't a counter argument, but definitely serves as a weakness. Still, I tend towards being optimistic that the theory can be honed, and it's one of many that I enjoy keeping track of.

>>11317350
To say it's imperfect is obvious and apparent, there may indeed be better models like the more mainstream in modern psychology big five, but to try and portray it as having no more relevance than a zodiac is just gross ignorance. I have seen ENTPs engage in that stereotype sure, but I've also seen them not like you just did, so eh. Imperfect leaky abstraction is leaky and imperfect, but it's still useful.

>>11317354
I'm sure every type has its own spectrum of maturity.

>>11317365
Not really, it's just non-sperg rationals (< 10% of gen pop) are mature and all the rest are infectious human waste.

>>11317378
Some *NF*'s also are not wastes of oxygen.

>>11317379
blackpill

>>11317378
As someone who works and interacts with a number of various personalities, this is far from truth. If you go outside, you may meet some mature people of various personality types, especially those Sensors you hate for no real reason. As a "Rational" I realize I have my flaws, and a lot of those flaws are rightly mediated through cooperation with those who differ from me. After all, our existence is largely gifted to us. It is a blessing that we are capable of spending bandwidth on more cerebral activities while our basic needs are met, and only a spoiled brat who would take it for granted.

>>11317397
I don't hate them, I'm indifferent to them like I'm indifferent to other forms of infectious human waste, yeah I don't want to go out and get covered in it, sure, but I also don't take great deal of pleasure staring into a sewer and focusing my rage. I'm not angry at them, I'm just not interested in them and find them tiresome.
I'm not particularly overjoyed to be what I am, either, certainly not superior-than-thou proud, as you point out, it's largely an accident of birth. I am what I am and that's all that I am, it's no fated perfection, just a fact And it certainly has its drawbacks when it comes to fitting into social existence with a herd of humans who hold almost zero interest for me at all, so it's not all roses.

>>11316696

I did my dissertation on personality and exam result correlation.

Was really fun but I went of on a tangent and ended up doing reading of philosophers.

Anyway imo it's just very limited. Forced choices that fundamentally group people.

..which is something we all know.

Its unlike other normal aptitude exams in that the person taking the test doesnt know the correct answer.

The whole argument is for nothing as life is often just forced choices.

The end.

>>11317411
What was your PhD in?

>>11316696
>MBTI
When will you learn?
indiana.edu/~jobtalk/Articles/develop/mbti.pdf
It has low consistency (people taking the test multiple times in a set period of time often end up with different types). The choice in hypothetical dimensions like thinking / feeling or sensing / intuiting is wrong because they have correlations with each other / aren't actually independent. It also makes the bad assumption there are discrete categorical distinctions (e.g. you will be classified as either thinking or feeling) when in actuality there is no evidence of bimodal distribution in MBTI types and most people score towards the middle and have more in common with those closer to them but in the opposite category than they do with those in their same category.
And even the US military won't touch it:
>In a recent review of the MBTI, commissioned by the Army Research Institute, it was concluded that the instrument should not be used for career planning counseling.13 The Institute's analysis of the available research showed no evidence for the utility of the test. Indeed, with respect to career planning they note that "the types may simply be an example of stereotypes."

INFJ T alpha chad here. I'm busy changing the world and building castles in the sky. Bow to the crown plebs.

I don't quite get why people hate MBTI so much and say it's absolute bullshit, it's just a way to put people into a "group" based on questions they answer. It's absolutely not complex enough to get an exact result but probabilistically speaking it's quite functional.

>>11317865

Masters in pharmacy.

It's the end anyway, I flunked a unit in the final year, final semester.

Psychoneuropharmacology.

..I loved the subject but I just went of on a tangent.

Didnt write the answer given in class, they didnt compensate me a couple percent even though I passed every other unit and professional units.

Pretty much lost my mind and all that I was at that point.

Slowly been trying to find my way back since but honestly if you dont believe that knowledge can be stripped away from you then you wont understand.

I work manual labour now.

My life is great.. but the above is still me.

Stop killing me plz lol.

Alright, but is there any psychometric test of this kind that is worthwhile?

>>11317986
>probabilistically speaking it's quite functional.
Wrong. See:
>>11317949
indiana.edu/~jobtalk/Articles/develop/mbti.pdf
It fails every formal test you could reasonably make of its accuracy, reliability, and practical applications.

>>11318035
I wasn't referring to reliability or practical applications, just as a way to simplify general behavior.

>>11318007
Based and schizo-pilled

>>11317980
All of your functions are literally not-Chad. You are the opposite of ESTP(ulimate chad) and also turbulent. Just kill yourself.

>>11318040
You can arbitrarily draw lines in sand and divide people into groups and think it simplifies categorization of general behavior. Personality tests have no meaning if it can't be used to predict anything about how a person with a certain score will behave. MMPI-2 is statistically valid and can be used to predict things like job satisfaction. MBTI shows no predictability; MBTI-based job placement results in same productivity and job satisfaction as random.

>>11319983
>MBTI shows no predictability
Just see the surveys in the OP link and stop pretending the correlations don't exist.

>>11320020
Correlation is not predictability.

>>11319983
Still not referring to practical usage. It's just for the sake of placing people in a group.
I.e. me saying "I'm an (N)" is a very simplistic way to give a relatively good description of yourself.

>>11319983
Categorization is only relevant if it is used successfully in a practical application, but that doesn't mean it has to be designed with that purpose in mind.

>>11320043
It is, it just doesn't give you the cause.

>>11319983
I took a look at MMPI-2, and it just seems like a very long true/false list which basically says if your life is shit or going great. Doesn't really seem to be saying anything about personality?

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>>11316735
You fuckin autistic niggers, the test probably doesnt work on you because your low self awareness

>>11317091
This

I got intj all the times i tested and 90% of what it says is on point

INFJ here, i always test INFJ taking this test more than 15 years now.
Also im the rarest teehee silly boys

MBTI is for redditors, if you really want types like that, you should check socionics

>>11316700
Yes, it's about as bullshit as IQ tests, which like the MBTI, is used for organizing massive groups of people.
If you're a fucken dullard, you can either think it's an essential readout of your nature, or you can decry it as not, either way you're missing the point: yes it's a grid drawn on an ocean, but it's useful when you're trying to get the best out of thousands of people at a time and time is a factor.
IQ and personality tests get aces in places this week, not in 6 months or a year. The corporation or army that can quickly get your number and put you somewhere useful will do better than the one that doesn't.

INTP here, scored off the carts for Intuition. I could kind of game the test a little, but the more co-operative you are the more useful the results are to the personnel or HR departments.

>>11316696
schizo

>>11317408
lol stfu nerd

>>11316696
First time I took this test I got INFP, this time I got INTP.

>>11323545
Dont know a lot about MBTI but I heard INFJ/INFP mistypes with INTP are common

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>>11321884
>the test probably doesnt work on you because your low self awareness
ya that's why lol

MBTI is horoscopes for fedora tippers

>>11316696
Not science or math.

I like the MBTI but I have a hard time juggling those ideas with psychiatric disorders.

I bet a good understanding of both in a standardized concept like a ten diagram, were overlaps could be looked at, would help better evaluate mental health.


I just can't see how curing a person's avoidant personality disorder with drugs, then tapering them off, and seeing a change from introversion to extroversion would not contradict mbti. Unless I don't understand the concept well, I thought MBTI was a set in stone kind of thing.

>>11323784
>I thought MBTI was a set in stone kind of thing.
It isn't. Its just a vague way to cluster people, theres probably a lot of overlap between the "independent" functions. But its still fun to read a bit about it, makes way more sense than horoscope, which makes none at all.

>>11324046
True i agree. I do doctor work. I woulsnt mind have an mbti attached to each patient. So i would lnow how to communicate woth them. Bonus for mental disorder but, we already have that in the books.

>>11324103
Its great for autists like me who isn't very skilled in understanding people, MBTI gives a vague guidance about how I should expect them to act

>>11324046
>makes way more sense than horoscope
At least horoscopes don't one day decide instead of a Pisces you are a Leo.

>>11324286
People change, its not a bug its a feature. Also someone is more likely to change when they have weak predominancy in some function, they should be aware of this before the change, so its expected if you are not a brainlet.

my type matches my personality perfectly, so I always liked mbti

>enfj alpha male master race

>>11324497
>F
>J
>alpha
Rofl. Also, you are the normiest of all, congratulations.

>take an mbti test
>get result
>take the test again a few days later
>get different result
Wow, great test mate, i'm litterally a ESTF zoomer bloomer coomer !!!!

>>11317382
Can't tell if I'm 2% or 17% (ISTP).

It sucks. Too many types. OCEAN is god-tier. I did the OCEAN test and it literally led to some of the most profound moments of self-discovery.

>>11326920
Do OCEAN and it will be much more consistent

>>11317382
so the world is dominated by intuitive introverts? was that chart made by sampling people exclusively on 4chan?