/sci/ - Science & Math

Because you’re not only putting yourself at risk but others at risk too

they don't want to catch your stupidity

>>11302715
They're dumb cattle and have been conditioned to think you're a threat to them if you don't injected with some multinational corporation's product. Eventually the power structure will use them to destroy us, by various mechanisms which involve becoming unable to function in society spatially, economically, etc.

The current course of the world is towards globalism and a Soviet-style planned economy, The gist of it is very simple. Maximize mobility of labor, minimize true freedom of movement (independence), use this tight knit system to force out any udnesireables.

>>11302715
same reason jews get so angry when you say circumcision is bad
Normies lost the potential to do anything groundbreaking because they got vaccinated so they tell others to face the same fate
Same reason blue haired feminist that got raped tell other women to be degenerate, because they lost their virtue so they want others to lose it to

Best bait I've seen in a while.
What's next? "I don't clean my hands after brushing my teeth"?

>>11302715
They clamp.
They VACCINATE.
They circumcise.

It really is that simple. Knowing this goes on, how could you ever believe? There is great psychological risk in beginning to question what you were told.

Honestly I am on the fence about non vaxxing. I have been vaccinated since birth and now I have idiopathic arthritis at the age of 19. I believe the benefits outweigh the side effects of vaccines. However I still feel that one of the vaccines I got as a kid caused my arthritis as none of my grand parents, great grand parents or parents have ever experienced idiopathic arthritis or any form of arthritis. Aluminum micro particles are very good at penetrating the blood brain barrier, allowing the vaccine to prevent horrible diseases/viral infections, but I still believe that injecting aluminum micro particles can possibly have negative effects on the human body depending on a persons genetics.

Because you spread disease like a rat.

>>11302769
Check out this thread I made earlier. A lot of good discussion went on, despite what they say about pol.
>>>/pol/ 239584541

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>>>/pol/239584541

>>11302715
Don't you have this backwards, normalfag?

>>11302715
Jew are the most over-represented in medicine and academia and banks so they have the access to the most underground and cutting edge knowledge
If a big shot jewish Hospital director or a CEO doesn't vaccinate, what does that tell you about vaccines goy?

>>11302715
It's the colbert show types that base their self esteem on having the socially mandated "correct" beliefs. They see someone not in their in-group and jump at the opportunity to feel superior.

>>11302782
I totally agree with the article written about vaccines and auto immunity, Currently I am on a biologic(Humira) and methotrexate to treat my arthritis as I don't respond well to NSAIDS. I have a relatively high iq(136, yes I am a Mensa member) and am doing well in university. Therefore I do not believe the claims that vaccines lower iq. Also I do not think that doctors/specialists are evil and out to get you with retardation vaccines. I believe the pharmaceutical industry in north america(Where I live) is disingenuous with respect to the topic of vaccination and would rather pump you full of dangerous chemicals with little to no research on them for a profit. Anyone share a similar opinion?

herd immunity would be their excuse

>>11302802
>Also I do not think that doctors/specialists are evil and out to get you with retardation vaccines
There has never been a complex organizational and control structure that has worked like this. Look at any corporation, fascist government, whatever, you have a certain compartmentalization, vertical layering, and you filter and position people accordingly. We already know the educational system is compromised.

>>11302802
agreed, big pharma do cost-benefit analysis with these type of decisions. What is the cost of extensive R&D, manufacturing new safer products vs cost of lawyers,PR and research fraud and social media manipulation.
In the end the corrupt tactic wins out because it is cheaper.
Unless we have a lab of our own, we are forced to appeal to authority which reddit already does aplenty.

Parents shouldn't be compelled to do this shit to put kids in school. The argument makes no sense to me because if others are vaccinated, the unvaccinated cannot spread. Right?

>>11302818
>Unless we have a lab of our own, we are forced to appeal to authority
>since we don't know what's going on, we have to rely on people who do

>>11302715
NPC don't like when people break the conditioning

>>11302833
> if others are vaccinated, the unvaccinated cannot spread. Right?
Proof's in the puddin.
Before the modern deliberately ignorant trend, nobody died of measles.
EVERY-FUCKING-BODY getting vaccinated for polio is what wiped that shit out.
Please don't shit in everybody else's drinking water because you think you know more than modern medical science.

>>11302841
>people don't like it when children die of preventable diseases just to satisfy your personal desire to pretend you're the only real adult in the room.

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>>11302842
>Haha cringe meme brigade
go back

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>>11302847
you're right, memes aren't nearly as cool as killing children with your self-important bullshit

>>11302854
There is no vaccination for chickenpox?

>>11302859
>There is no vaccination for chickenpox?
It's like you never heard of Google.
https://www.google.com/search?q=vaccination+for+chickenpox

For that, you get more memes!

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>>11302850
The problem is how morons like this anti-vaxxers are science deniers or some shit, how stupid you have to be to think is beyond me especially on a science board, obviously very low cognitive function but that is beside the point.

No one I have ever heard of has ever denied vaccines work, however we have a planet of around 7 billion people and an "elite" class doing all kinds insane fuckery on the populace trying to keep control and they are working up as to what they are doing at ever increasing rates. The argument is not vaccines don't work it is that they are putting other shit in it and this has been confirmed countless times even by the UN themselves but people like these two anons and a lot of another anons in this thread and on the board in general are too stupid to even try and understand the argument before popping off at the mouth just like most other NPC's

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1473309904009272
tl;dr it's extremely unlikely that aluminium containing vaccines lead to any chronic outcomes

Vaccines are not 100% safe since very rarely some kids can have bad allergy-like reactions but these are very rare and are far outweighed by the benefit of eliminating disease.

>>11302864
Then wtf is this shit with everyone getting chickenpox one time in their life?

>>11302865
>an "elite" class doing all kinds insane fuckery on the populace trying to keep control
>they are putting other shit in it
>this has been confirmed countless times
>popping off at the mouth just like most other NPC's
That's some Alex-Jones level paranoid bullshit right there.
What kind of mind-control stuff has the UN confirmed as being put in vaccines?
That's almost like claiming that fluoride in the drinking water makes you vote Republican.
Since this is /sci/, not /pol/ or /x/, I'd expect such claims to be backed up. Please do.

And now... more memes!!!!! hahahahaha!!!!!

>>11302869
>Then wtf is this shit with everyone getting chickenpox one time in their life?
When I was little (1960's), it was considered better to get it as a kid, because it's much more dangerous to get it as an adult.
Of course, I've you've _ever_ had it, you can get shingles later in life, which is a really bad deal, if not life-threatening.
In the modern day, now that we have a vaccine, we can choose to eliminate it entirely, so future generations don't have any of these issues.

Reasonable question, no meme for you.

>>11302869
>Chickenpox vaccine became available in the United States in 1995
>tfw old enough to have had chickenpox and to have believed everyone gets chickenpox until like 5 minutes ago

>>11302878
You being a moron helps those that aren't, less competition, so you are free to think w/e stupid shit you want. Suck up that fluoride heavy metals and GMOs I aint mad at ya

>>11302867
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST OPT OUT OF THINGS WE ADMIT ARE POTENTIALLY HARMFUL YOU HAVE TO SELF SACRIFICE FOR WHAT WE DECIDE THE GREATER GOOD IS
your kid doesn't have to develop autism to have been negatively influenced by vaccines and no one is capable of verifying that injecting artificial shit into extremely complex systems has no negative effect.

and what's more vaccine pushers are shitbags that try to deflect and lie their way past these valid concerns. why the fuck would anyone trust lying collectivists when deciding on the best course for their individual offspring? individually, not being vaccinated probably does not increase the risk of horrible diseases enough to be worthwhile. people are just trying to manipulate you into harming your child for their child's benefit.

>>11302878
It makes me sad to know you were alive in the 60s. It contributes to an identity, such that I might feel bad for telling you to kill yourself.

Kill yourself.

>>11302896
The problem is you're far to privileged to understand why vaccination is important. You grew up in a society free of polio, epiglottitis, smallpox and many more diseases that would kill countless children (and still do in many parts of the world).
Sure, from your point of view a 1/100000 chance of developing encephalitis may seem bad, but if you compare that to the hundreds of thousands of lives saved as a result you understand that it is a wholly beneficial thing.

>>11302913
You're conflating the ideal of vaccines with how vaccines actually are.

>>11302894
>You being a moron helps those that aren't, less competition
>Suck up that fluoride heavy metals and GMOs

...still hearing Alex Jones talking about gay frogs.

>>11302913
>muh greater good
From a self interested rational standpoint it's entirely reasonable to decide vaccination is more risk than reward. If people would admit they don't care about your kid's personal welfare and that they're just willing to risk inflicting minor harm to your child for their child's benefit I would hate them much less.

Does anyone know whether injecting heavy metals into your baby can knock an iq point off? Of course not there is no way to test that. No one has any reason to be confident about any of this, they just know that lying to you and tricking idiots into making facebook memes about how stupid skepticism is might socially engineer an outcome they want.

>>11302896
>your kid doesn't have to develop autism to have been negatively influenced by vaccines
>no one is capable of verifying that injecting artificial shit into extremely complex systems has no negative effect.

Children are dying because of your ill-informed, self-centered bullshit.

>>11302929
No they're not.

>>11302915
How am I conflating anything? The diseases I listed have objectively been eradicated thanks to vaccination. Were it not for vaccines they would still be rampant in our societies today and many children would be dead as a result. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
There are known acute complications but these are extremely rare, and anything related to autism or other conditions is tinfoil tier.

>>11302927
>that they're just willing to risk inflicting minor harm to your child for their child's benefit
Ironically this only applies to anti-vax people who reap the benefits of vaccination while taking none of the risks.
Within a society of vaccinated people it's those who are unvaccinated that are freeloading, ie benefiting from the (miniscule) risks others take.

>>11302927
>it's entirely reasonable to decide vaccination is more risk than reward
No. Not even close.
The millions of doctors telling you you're wrong aren't Orwellian despots, desperate to invade your safe space.
The same people that can take a heart of out of one person, and get it working in another are telling you you're wrong, but you keep riding that Jenny McCarthy/Alex Jones/Facebook train.

>>11302925
Let me show you what a moron is. I simply told you that you were mis-framing the argument I never took a position, yet you did what cluster B and low IQ people commonly do, it is called "magical thinking" where you don't have facts you simply fill in the missing parts with the narrative you choose without even doing basic fact checking to see if it is correct or even logical. The moron calling everyone a moron meme never gets old. You were never competition for me in anything, you are obviously someone that is borderline retarded based on our brief interaction here and I doubt I am the only one that has picked up on it.

>>11302936
>benefiting
so you admit it

>everyone should be forced to buy into my collectivist system because otherwise they're freeloading
commie

>>11302931
>No they're not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles
>The measles vaccine is effective at preventing the disease, is exceptionally safe, and is often delivered in combination with other vaccines.[7][13] Vaccination resulted in an 80% decrease in deaths from measles between 2000 and 2017, with about 85% of children worldwide having received their first dose as of 2017.[12] Once a person has become infected, no specific treatment is available,[12]

>In 2011, the WHO estimated that 158,000 deaths were caused by measles.
>As of 2018, measles remains a leading cause of vaccine-preventable deaths in the world.

>>11302942
I've never given anyone measles. Are you saying I'm killing people by not doing my quota of vaccine shilling on facebook?

>>11302939
>I simply told you that you were mis-framing the argument
Nope:
>>11302894
>You being a moron
>>11302894
>so you are free to think w/e stupid shit you want

>>11302940
Enjoy your preventable diseases

>>11302944
>Are you saying I'm killing people by not doing my quota of vaccine shilling on facebook?
Nope.
You're helping kill people by actively working against the medical community's efforts to save lives.

>>11302945
anon is right you are an obvious schizo

>>11302945
the "nuh uh" argument, vn my friend

>>11302942
>] Once a person has become infected, no specific treatment is available,[12]
This is the whole point right here.
Vaccines are the only effective treatment against viral diseases, but selfish faggots won't do their part unless they're personally dying or some shit.

CTRL-F4

>>11302946
I'm not getting them anyway :^)

>>11302947
>you're killing people by encouraging skepticism
some people care more about truth than maximizing utility. nothing i've said is wrong. btw hep b vaccine causes brain damage in rats

>>11302715
Because they were forced to get vaccinate and if it's bad then they were essentially violated. It's the same as telling them that they were raped.

>>11302936
What I mean by conflating with the ideal is that the good vaccines have done is irrelevant to why people are apprehensive to be subject to them. It's like a reverse relative privation fallacy. interesting.
>vaccines have done x, y, and z
Who cares. irrelevant. The question is whether the possibility that vaccines also do bad shit is enough reason to abstain. Yes, yes it is.

>>11302865
this entire website is just idiots arguing with idiots it isn't just this board, but yes 95% of every thread is some undergards that have no clue wtf they are talking calling each other names. There are generally two or three coherent discussions going on in a thread with the rest of the p[people in it flinging shit at each other

>>11302715
Why are poltards so scared of science?

>>11302724
/thread
Unfortunately OPs problem is a serious lack of intelligence, which their is no treatment for.

>>11302962
I don't think it is every board mostly it is the boards that think they are smart but they aren't like /sci and /his/ of course you can put /po/ but they are politics so that is to be expected on boards that are supposed to be academics/intellectuals it is hilarious to see them act like bunch of feral Negroes on one hand but also sad that you can't have an intellectual thread/conversation here because it is a bunch of teenage mid wits that always run their mouth off

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>>11302767
You must be at least 18 to post here.

>>11302847
>haha cringe mass reply brigade
You have to go back

>>11302974
Clamped, vaccinated, circumcised, chlorimated, brominated, fluoridated, irradiated[...].

>>11302967
Guess how I know you're a pseud with serious dunning-kreuger?

>>11302980
Because when anyone thinks critically and asks questions instead of accepting the mainstream narrative on blind faith he calls them "pol".

The serious irony is if you trust politicians and governments you are the biggest fucking moron walking this Earth. They are literally organized crime and anyone with a pen has been writing this down for millenia even the people in government themselves. I seriously can't imagine how stupid someone has to be to trust politicians

>>11302977
Cool buzzwords! Your friends at plebbit will get a kick out of knowing you trolled us stupid 4chinners!
Please see >>11302975

>>11302980
Says the faggot who comes on this board to shit it up with the same 3 shitty subjects over and over again.

>>11302985
Except you are NOT thinking critically, you're literally engaged in cookie-cutter thought process.

>>11302988
Wtf are you even talking about? Jesus christ this board is filled to brim with retarded teenagers.

Because ur a schizo fag of the lowest rung

>>11302991
I'm not him jackass I would think you would have figured out by what my comment was since I stated as much. I imagine you have a touch of the dunning-kruger tism yourself

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>>11302969
OP's problem is schizophrenia and drug abuse

>>11302969
What a bafoon.

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>>11302969
>serious lack of intelligence
>which their is no treatment for.
>their

https://pastebin.com/aYNv0zFc Clamp me harder daddy uwu

>>11303005
buffoon

this board is a gang of imbeciles and this thread is a perfect microcosm I hope you all kys

>>11302842
Is that a yes or a no?

>>11302959
>the possibility that vaccines also bad shit is enough reason to abstain
That's not true but you've obviously convinced yourself that's the case so I'm assuming there's not point in arguing

>>11303009
Imagine the spark and sense of wonder, leaving a child's eyes. Replaced with a void.

>>11303027
But what if the alternative is Kenya?

Science and medicine bad
Being a sick Nazi caveman with a bible good

>>11303026
>you need to risk the life of your loved ones no matter what because some people said you should to go with the herd

Hmmm yah no thanks bovine. I will do what I want with me and mine based on what I deem fit to do.

>>11302842
Do you belong here? I don't. Can't it be and isn't it that some diseases have overcome our thwarts against them? Such as TB and whooping cough. Do you think that "everyone" received polio vaccine? Is it a contradiction that nobody died of measles before there was a vaccine? Is it true that nobody died of it?

>>11303034
You will be one of the first to be gassed with all the doctors

>>11303034
Quite ironic considering Germany was the most advanced nation leading up to and during WWII and they were actual proponents of Eugenics (which you will squeal like a pig about how evil it is out the other side of your face) but don't let actual facts get in the way of your narrative you sue in place of a coherent original thought smooth brain

>>11303037
That's what I thought. Well hopefully you don't have kids.
Nothing more depressing than seeing kids die of preventable disease in a country with plentiful access to vaccines.

>>11303052
Yah there is, when they die because you had them injected with poison when you knew better or at least were told you should know better

>he doesn't even vaccinate
the horror!
nonconformity will not be tolerated in the land of free, only quivering craven cowardly conformity is allowed in the home of the brave

>>11303051
Right, I forgot that Germany didn't have any science available to them... Oh, wait.

>>11302715
>some men just want to watch the world burn
>these men are called incel internet trolls
I get it. You think humanity literally suiciding itself due to stupidity is absolutely hilarious. You don't care if it all goes to shit because your own life is shit. However, the rest of us happen to care what happens to this species in the end. Because we're not psychos and schizos like you. Your all-consuming envy of normal people is only momentarily neutralized during your brief dopamine release when you've "trolled a normie". Just remember that we will live on and you will perish, despite your best efforts to take us down along with your sorry self.

>>11303063
Never read the science.

who wants to tell him >>11303062

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>>11303068
>muh appeal to authority
CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? THIS FAGGOT HASN'T EVEN READ AND MEMORIZED WHAT THE COMPLETELY UNBIASED ACADEMIC GENIUSES HAVE TO SAY.
THEY'RE COMPLETELY UNINDOCTRINATED
FREE THINKING IN THE SCIENCES!!?!?! OUTRAGEOUS!!

>>11303082
You have my meaning backwards. I'm saying that he was clamped and vaccinated, and quite frankly it's time to wake up to what's really gone on here.

>>11303026
The way I see it, the existence of the very question is enough reason to be wary of vaccination. If I do, I could be subjecting someone to all sorts of horrible shit, and all I have for assurance is the word of you and your ilk. But try to understand that your words don't mean as much to other people simply by virtue of you having spoken them, i.e. your appeal to asserting "vaccines are good tho" are entirely valueless.

If I don't, I put someone at risk of catching a disease that everyone else is immune to and therefore doesn't exist in the population thanks to vaccines. hurray

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>>11303082
Well, if you can't trust the academic community commissars then who can you trust? Nobody? Screw that, my motto is:
MIT said it, I believe it, That settles it

>>11303078
I was looking at the bottom like "how the hell does weed turn you into a sheep," and then I realized it's 4 sections.

>>11302715
Don’t reply to bait threads. Ignore them and hide them and they die.

>>11303078
But why does weed turn you into a spic, twice?

>>11303122
Clamped, vaxxed.

>>11302724
But they're vaccinated....

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>>11303128
>Clamped
Explain this meme. What does it mean?

>>11303140
Refers to early clamping of the umbilical, ie, before the completion of placental transfusion.

See:
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>>11302779
No actual anon has a problem with /pol/, just redditors. That said /pol/ has a few die hard anti-vaxxers who spam and ruin ant discussion.

>>11302802
I don't know enough to say and severely doubt vaccines lower IQ. Any of the things people posit to lower iq end up being insignificant or requiring of exposure magnitudes above any possible level. However saying "im smart so therefore they don't" isn't a convincing argument, it could be you'd be smarter or that you're anomalous etc.

>>11302715
idk have a nice day/night

>>11302833
Immunity regularly isn't total, its a dampened risk and so it is best if everyone gets it.

That said if public health planners are so concerned about the one in one hundred mum who doesn't vaccinate her kids why are they celebrating mass immigrating unvaccinated man from mogadishu with a wealth of exotic diseases? TB is resurgent throughout europe as a result where the risks of anti-vaxxers is currently all speculative.

>>11302936
Epiglottitis ceetainly has not been eradicated.

>>11303122
How is it a bait thread? Im vaccinated and will vaccinate my kids but it's an important discussion with lots of nuance.

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Vaccinated.

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Low energy false flag to try lower the level of discussion.

>>11303337
>lower the level of discussion.
>discussion

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I mark with a (you) in 4chanX. Anyone else do this to ignore this post? I tried other options but this seemed the easiest.

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>>11303328
Literally posts like this that make me engage in anti-vax discussion. I don't believe in the science but when people try so desperately to shut down the topic like this it gets me interested.

>>11303348
I just report these retards, not like it will do much though since the jannies are fucking worthless.

>>11303409
They probably are the jannies
see >>11303356

>>11303356
Depressingly accurate

flu shots are bullshit
make sure you get your real vaccinations though

>>11303133
not everyone can be vaccinated.

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>>11302896
>Your brain on /pol/
Go back already you shitposting morons.