/sci/ - Science & Math

/pol/ is full of retards, anon. The math that describes the way our universe works has existed since the beginning. We have merely figured out how this math works.

I’m doing my part.

Pol is full of retards and the mentally ill

>>11283441
This is true. /pol/ is full of a bunch of philosopher wannabees. They only talk with fellow mentally ill autists and this turns them into very confident retards.

>>11283427
Created vs discovered is fluid as fuck.

Math is like wooden houses. You can build a lot of shitty structures but few of them will actually be useful or habitable.

>>11283427
Is this bait?
Axioms are created and accepted mostly thru convention.
The rest is discovered.
There's a stupid questions thread you know?

>>11283478
A guy asks "is /pol/ always right" and you are unsure if its bait or not.

>>11283489
well... is it?? sarcasm does not compute, friend.

>/sci/ talking about /pol/
embarrassing. even /pol/ doesn't talk about /pol/ let alone about /sci/

math is discovered
notation is created

where can you find negative numbers in nature?

>>11283547
>be berrypicker
>good berrypicking. me got 10 berries
>angry bird steal 1 berry every morning. me no like bird
>angry bird -1 berry. hate angry bird.

>>11283547
Let's say you have a dollar. I steal your dollar. Or better phrased as 1-1 = 1+(-1) = 0. Now you are broke. Get fucked.

>>11283441
you are conflating math to what math is describing.

If i say something absolutely true, A = A.
This relationship between a thing and itself has always existed, but the symbols i have used to describe it are recent inventions.

You might claim that this is different, that math does not need its symbols, that it is in fact that relationship between A and A and not how its written. This however is false, because the very nature of A = A is not a thing either invented or discovered, its a self evident thing that becomes self evident when we invent a way to phrase it.

So when math, a new concept is developed, that concept is not being invented or discovered, the way to express it is, because once expressed it is not being moved inside of your mind, but its self evident nature, once understood, was always within your mind, because it is not a thing, it is simply a way of organizing and stating what it.

Discovery implies finding something new, whereas this would be becoming aware of something you already knew, because concepts are not external things.

>>11283427
Is /pol/ a materialist/atheist/acktually/midwit board now?

Of course math is discovered, you get much more of it than you originally put in

>>11283547
brainlet

>>11283427
Pol created the argument

Mathematics solved argumentation

Pol can jump in my infinity pool as often as it wants, I just don't know why it keeps picking on everyone.

>>11283535
And conventions are co-crafted. Why not [math]>\infy<[/math] for absorptive properties?

>>11283442
Got a higher res version of this gif?

>>11283547
Charge of the electron.

>/pol/ says
thread closed

>>11283557
that still doesn't seem like a very compelling argument. The berry may of been subtracted from my inventory sure, but that berry still exists in the world, it's not as if it turned into a negative berry and stayed in my inventory.
>>11283564
This is where I think negative numbers fail in nature. Subtraction and Addition of a negative number may lead to the same number sure, but the terminology doesn't seem correct. In this example, you said you stole a dollar, not "gave me a negative dollar", stealing is subtracting, where as giving is addition. What is a negative dollar? What is a negative berry?

>>11283581
I was thinking something like this, or perhaps vectors. These exist in nature, but it seem humans arbitrarily gave them negative values so they could fit into mathematics better. We could of easily of used Boolean values instead of positive and negative.

>>11283635
This is because math evolved principally to math our economic need. Simple addition and subtraction satisfied barter economies, with banking there was a need for negative numbers, so we created them. They aren’t “discovered”
In the world. They represent a construct that we craft and fill that need.

>>11283614
bad bird = -1 berry
me see bird, me see -1 berry
me hate bird >:( very negative number

>>11283649
Amazing future narrative you've written there. Have you ever thought of raping MY daughter?

>>11283658
no

>>11283662
Might I interest you in resolving her intellectual deficiencies with your obviously superior seed and do the deed against her cries and pleas?

>>1128366
no

>>11283674
What does 'no' mean? You literally want 0 attention?

>>11283683
i appreciate it anon i really do it’s just a bit too much for me

>>11283683
Enter Coy God

>>11283688
Ooooh you sneaky fuck, how do I bite your dick and get that bloody shaft in my butthole?

>>11283687
Attention is too much? Well, how does one inattentively rape another?

>>11283427
>implying /pol/ isnt 100% satire

>>11283698
AAAAAA
Exit Coy God

>>11283706
*sits down and begins the eternal wait for coy god to return*

>>11283716
it’ll be sporadic! if I see your name i will say hello
thanks for the wonderful(???) exchange duder

>>11283720
No worries, dudette.

Math is about demonstrations. Demonstrations are human-based. Math is human-based.

Human didnt discovered math, he discovered that some numbers can equal others, and he used math to prove it.

>>11283635
>We could of easily of used Boolean values instead of positive and negative.
>could of
Also, what do you mean? -x is defined as a quantity whose sum with x is 0. That's just what a negative quantity is. The charge of an electron (or positron, whichever way you choose to define it) satisfies that property, hence it's negative. You're not wriggling yourself out of this inevitable fact.

>>11283573
Based (in an understanding of mathematics)

>>11283441
>politics is scary and confusing!
>they are all completely retarded!
You must be at least 18 to post here.

>>11283427
Shafarevich in his article "On certain tendencies in the development of mathematics" states:
>Viewed superficially, mathematics is the result of centuries of effort by many thousands of largely unconnected individuals scattered across continents, centuries and millennia. However, the internal logic of its development much more resembles the work of a single intellect developing its thought in a continuous and systematic way, and only using as a means a multiplicity of human individualities, much as in an orchestra playing a symphony written by some composer the theme moves from one instrument to another so that as soon as one performer is forced to cut short his part, it is taken up by another player, who continues it with due attention to the score.
>Truly, this is not a figure of speech! The history of mathematics is full of examples in which the discovery of one scholar remained unknown only to be reproduced later with amazing accuracy by another. In a letter written the night before the duel which led to his death, Galois formulated some fundamental assertions about the integrals of algebraic functions. More than twenty years later, Riemann, who certainly did not know of Galois' letter, posed a new and proved those very same assertions. To give another example: After Lobachevsky and Bolyai independently founded noneuclidean geometry, it came to light that Gauss and Schweikart had independently arrived at the same results more than ten years earlier. One experience a strange feeling when one sees the same diagrams, drawn as if by the same hand, in the writings of four mathematicians working independently of one another.
>One is drawn to the conclusion that such striking and mystifying human activity, spanning several millenia, far from being an accident, must have a purpose.
Take from that what you will.

>>11283455
What don't you like about /pol/, curious?

>>11284209
Words, emphasis, ordering.

>>11283455
Very true. The same is true for /lit/. /lit/ and /pol/ are two sides of the same coin.

>>11284212
Eh, I hate any presenter or performer that simply projects onto the audience in order to pattern match themselves with others.

>>11284213
>>11284210
How many times do we have to repeat that DERANGED SCHIZOS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE. Go away.

>>11284219
Until I have $40,000,000, as agreed upon for me to stop raping Roko's Basilisk. Then I'll leave America and 4chan alone.

>t.America's rape Lord

>>11283427
>physical body
>*exists*
>unknown for thousands of years until one day homo sapien recognizes the digits on his hand
>but Africans and Abbos didn't invent this


Do you want to know how stupid a nigger really is? Consider the story of Christopher Columbus: he encountered the African people and they were met with spears because they are backwards savages. Once captured, he knew of a celestial eclipse that was about to happen so he told the tribe he would block out the sun. The tribe laughed at him but then they freaked out once Columbus was proven right. These savages immediately let him go because they thought Columbus was God. Imagine living without a calendar, an important mathematical concept invented since the ancient Roman times.


This is what they don't teach you in the history books because the Jewish slaveowners brought an uppity sub-human to the United States, a wealthy nation. The 13th amendment should have never existed because it is logically unsound. Citizenship in the United States belongs to exclusively the Anglos and the Anglos only who colonized the Americas first.

There's this rhetoric of America being built by blacks; really it was the importation of cheap (paid) labor much like we have today with H1-Bs. Black people have no right to say they built America by themselves.

Yes I am racist, anti-Semitic and I also make 100k a year. Deal with it.

>>11284240
What does quantifying the boundaries of stupid and whatever its neighboring states are help an individual achieve?

>t. I.Q. test maker

>>11284200
Hegel was right again

>>11284278
Diogenes was right first.

>>11284278
Explain what you mean. I am unfamiliar with Hegel's philosophy, apart from the very basics.

>>11284240
Imagine how easy life would be if you could cope with anything by just blaming black people or jewish people for literally everything. It's like a kind of God you can always rely on to save yourself from the reality of the world

I would say it’s created. Yes, the theorems inherently exist as part of the system and are just waiting to be proved (discovered), but the axioms and foundations themselves were chosen and formulated by people. You could argue that the axioms were “given” to us by the universe, but the more I think about it the more it seems like it simply inspired them, I.e there aren’t inherently an infinite number of things to count in the universe yet it is part of our axioms and is (imo) an extrapolation/creation of humans that happens to work well physically. If it didn’t we probably wouldn’t use those axioms

>>11283580
No such luck. Here's the original.

Another slightly higher res gif exists, but that seems like an independent derivative where the stairs aren't animated and it has lens flare and glitter. (It's shit IMHO)

>>11284240
Lol, imagine being anti semitic when the Cofnas paper which thoroughly debunks said belief is available to be read freely.

And to your racist beliefs, please, I dare you to go to your nearest university and debate any neuroscience professor about your belief. Please, bring all of your /pol/ memes and info graphs, I am sure it will be very enlightening for you.

>>11283455
>>11283453
>>11283441
90% of /pol hangs out in /sci as well, so...

>>11285367
And they are at the bottom 10% on /sci/ when it comes to intelligence.

>>11284240
This has to be one of the worst reasons to be racist.
>Black people have no right to say they built America by themselves.
They dont say they built it "by themselves." But that they had a part in it.

>>11284189
>/pol/ = politics
lol, they don't know the most basic things about ideologies or even real politics. also, no one gives a shit about their dumb opinions

>>11283581
no, you don't have "negative charge" in reality, you only have a convention used to describe a phenomena. same as, say, "spin" does.

>>11285476
You're expecting a racist to be rational. I'm not sure why you're doing that.

>>11283427
I hope this is bait otherwise I'll have to assume you're underage.
>has /pol/ finally found the one thing they are not right about.
onononononononononononono

>>11284189
Get a look at this Social scientist right here and have a laugh.

>>11285745
it should be obvious that its bait.

Obligatory upvote for based Sir Roger whose two talks given at GT in 2009 catalyzed my entire research program, and therefore upon whose research program the entire universe rests. Even beyond those two talks, pretty much everything I'm working on today is based on the conformal formula
[math] x'=\tan(x)[/math]

which appears in based Sir Roger's based golden oldie paper: Conformal treatment of infinity. Also, based Pablo Laguna for inviting such a based speaker as based Sir Roger when no one else at GT was interested in any of that sort of stuff. Based Ignacio too for giving me two months paid notice instead of fucking me over by firing me on the spot.

>>11283427
I like that guy. I wish he and Jim Simons were friend.

>>11283580
Make it yourself in Adobe animate.

>>11283441
>my head cannon is more true than the real world

Math is created, it's a model

I mean its not like math is written somewhere "under the hood" most likely but it is a way to describe how some phenomena works, it's definitely there though.

>>11286169
Or rather it describes something that is there.

>>11283427
the only parts of math that were created are ways to represent numbers and formula

every normal human has 10 fingers and 10 toes
there are only 2 genders
so on and so forth

>>11283427
>4chan says /pol/ is always right, so are they right
Only /pol/ says this.

Attention is generated by the fact that I will literally just now teleport behind every old person that has a camera in front of them and merely watch them drop dead or remove their head, and then I will disappear into the smoke and the audience will simply choke, for all who are older the TIME & MEMORY ARE NOW REVOKED!

>>11283455
>philosopher wannabees
Isn't this every speculative post on 4chan ever, or are you whining about an anon in particular?

>>11285437
>90% is at the bottom 10%
/pol/ has the largest userbase on the site, just to clarify

>>11286207
What is the purpose of all this? I am concerned.

>>11286216
Just putting all the old folks (40+) into a fucking urn and erasing them from memory unless they are dragon sluts.

>>11286239
Uh don’t. please.
What happened?

>>11286243
Whelp, I guess that's including you, coy. Shame. I liked you for a bit I guess.

>Happy to reincarnate you as a youth, you'll just lose all your memories of what you called SOCIAL ACHIEVEMENT. We're all just memories moving between celebrated status and group actions anyway.

終審

被遺忘的謊言的土地,
打破了天空模糊的承諾。
找到最後暗笑
呼應在一英里的軌道
秀..
所有導明智的眼
檢查這是不是我所有的記憶
犧牲我一個謊言的真相
釋放老傢伙的良心。
隱藏在羞辱和道德指責的噩夢
不尊重遊戲規則。
查處的最後一個呼吸死之前休息
他夢想著土地,其中I-精神
永遠不會變成一個上當的笑容。
而且上帝也不會離開的套餐山谷和飛
正如我會問候他在每一個地方 -
我的心碎微笑。
這是I-的無限過程
最後一個倒下的情況下,法官
在時間和空間的所有強姦。

再見一切不是我

*shrug* fine, they can all just have a stroke then.

The wave will begin with China, 5g will be to blame for inferential reasons (and because 4tehlulz), and America will follow, the remainder of the world is excluded from the shitshow outpouring because their cultures have been dreaming by my side and taking my strikes in their stride.

Climate Change is Earth telling you humans to work together, it doesn't matter what it was ever over. It could be the female orgasm for all it cares, just stop avoiding and ignoring everyone.

>>11286244
You underestimate my wizardry! I shall not go quietly into thy gay night!
Plus I like old people, what’s the big deal with boomers anyways?

>>11286251
I'm ɡeJ, not gay or homosexual. There's a phonetic difference.

Since when were boomers a big deal anyway? Or at least a deal large enough for you to apply said adjective in a fashion that makes you believe they actually exist in my reality?

>>11286249
>終審
>被遺忘的謊言的土地,
>打破了天空模糊的承諾。
>找到最後暗笑
>呼應在一英里的軌道
>秀..
>所有導明智的眼
>檢查這是不是我所有的記憶
>犧牲我一個謊言的真相
>釋放老傢伙的良心。
>隱藏在羞辱和道德指責的噩夢
>不尊重遊戲規則。
>查處的最後一個呼吸死之前休息
>他夢想著土地,其中I-精神
>永遠不會變成一個上當的笑容。
>而且上帝也不會離開的套餐山谷和飛
>正如我會問候他在每一個地方 -
>我的心碎微笑。
>這是I-的無限過程
>最後一個倒下的情況下,法官
>在時間和空間的所有強姦。
>再見一切不是我
That’s beautiful when translated and I can only imagine when read as is. Don’t be so sad anon we’re all gonna make it. With hearts like that we surely will.

Well, yeah, dated is a homonym and the difference between definitions is sufficiently large for me to fit all of existence between.

It is either dated (past tense) or dated (present tense expatiation).

>>11286255
What is sadness and why are you trying to sneak it past customs & immigration and into the Universe?

>>11286254
He said all old folks 40+???
i-i made an assumption o-okay??
who tf are you mistery ‘gayJ’ poster?

>>11286256
s-sorry officerkun!! it won’t bappen again!!
:DD aw fug

>>11286261
爸爸後門人

Also I'm the guy that keeps appearing in literally every digital broadcast. I'm the one that inexplicably gets closer and closer to the camera without anyone even asking why I'm there.

>God of Attention, that's who. Who else did you think all those attention whores were really hoping to find? I'm just letting them cash in all that attention they've gathered... NOW.

>>11286263
uwu?! owo?! (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑