/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11282430
For what I understand, schizophrenia is an spectrum of disorders, so there is not a single cure as it manifest differently in every patient. Might no be the best of advices, but try cognitive behavioral therapy, exercise, going outdoors, and anything healthy that can help you forget a bit about the disease.

>>11282430
There is medication that doesnt make you fat or veg. Just ask the doctor

>>11282430
Well anon for what it's worth I believe in you man. Don't let it completely overlap your sanity. Survive anon, survive.

>>11282430
Meditate in a safe space. Imagine the part of you that feels unlike you as friendly or misunderstood. Try to get into contact with it and in doing so make it a part of yourself. This is why so many schizos fall apart claiming they are jesus or god, they have lost control. Meditation is regaining and maintaining control. This may not be helpful since as >>11282442 pointed out, schizophrenia is a spectrum. But for me, my condition improved immensely when I realized that while everything inside me may not feel like it is me, it is still inside me and therefore under my control. I am not god, but I am god of everything inside my head.

>>11282448
all antipsychotics veg you out over time and shrink the brain

>>11282442
i already do exercise but i keep getting fater because of the damn meds, but when i do not take them i turn absolute insane and find myself in very extrem delusions. I tried diffrent meds over the time but risperdon is the one i have the least side effects. But this weight gein is really anoying. I was acually really thin and fit in the past but when i got ill i turnend into a living doomer meme. I weigh about 120 kg from 80 in just half a year.

>>11282464
Not true.

>>11282469
great evidence

>>11282482
taking these pills is certainly better than having delusions

>>11282482
burden on you

>>11282482
Show yours

>>11282453
i am trying man, i am trying but it's really hard

>>11282460
Except it isn't under your control. If it were, you wouldn't be schizophrenic. So, stop larping.

>>11282465
I wonder if antipsychotics could elucidate the cause of obesity.

>>11282486
>>11282487
you want me to cite the shitloads of studies that show brain volume decrease with increasing exposure to antipsychotics? maybe the dopamine blockage has already gotten to you fags if you're forgetting the obvious here

>Greater intensity of antipsychotic treatment was associated with indicators of generalized and specific brain tissue reduction after controlling for effects of the other 3 predictors. More antipsychotic treatment was associated with smaller gray matter volumes. Progressive decrement in white matter volume was most evident among patients who received more antipsychotic treatment. Illness severity had relatively modest correlations with tissue volume reduction, and alcohol/illicit drug misuse had no significant associations when effects of the other variables were adjusted.

see u in 10 years when "muh atypical antipsychotic latuda" results in your hands being too shaky to type

>>11282502
Anti-hystaminergic effects.

>>11282519
Cite one and let us check it out :)

>>11282519
op here. I know these meds are not good, but what is the alternative. You don't know how it is to live with schizophrenia, the delusions creep up on you and you don't even realize that your are delusional and then out of the blue you try to commit suicide because you thought that you were the cause of world war two or some shit and you can't even imagine the stress which is caused by this. I can't really describe it, but it is almos impossible to cope with this illnes without meds.

>>11282430
try sarcosine

or glycine

>>11282519
>Taken in the context of strong evidence from clinical trials that antipsychotic drugs have beneficial effects on symptoms, function, relapse and cognition, and observational evidence that treatment normalizes other imaging indices and reduces mortality, the balance of probabilities is that antipsychotic drugs do not cause adverse structural brain changes in schizophrenia.

See? Everyone can cherrypick

>>11282493
Not larping, still have outbursts sometimes. Genuinely, unironically, no larp, the best thing ever for me was meditation. The placebo effect is real. When I believe that I have more control, I literally do have more control. When life gets stressful, I am not as good at it and I genuinely believe that I am losing control. I am not trying to say abandon medication and go do yoga, but you agree that schizophrenia is a spectrum, I do not have to be completely out of control to be schizophrenic. Some days it is as little as being convinced that when I take a shit in the morning I am a vegetable in a hospital bed and I am currently shitting myself and my life is not real or maybe it was real but at some point I got into an accident, because sometimes it also feels like a dream and that isn't helping either and from there it just spirals out, and taking a few deep breaths, closing my eyes and imagining nothing for a few minutes helps suppress these feelings and let me get on with my day, and as such I believe that simple meditation can add to the efficacy of other treatments. You can dismiss this if you like, I am only responding in hopes that someone decides to give it a try and it improves their condition, even if only slightly.

>>11282540
aren't that meds from the old generation?

>>11282430
I work with schizophrenics as a therapist. What seems to work very well with everyone is these things:

A good sleep rhythm, healthy food, healthy lifestyle, no stimulants, no drugs, stable life, minimum amount of stress.

Also realize you are creating these hallucinations and delusions yourself. Never try to externalize your internal problems. You are not seeing things, your mind makes you see things.

>>11282686
>A good sleep rhythm, healthy food, healthy lifestyle, no stimulants, no drugs, stable life, minimum amount of stress.
LOL NO FUKKIN WAY

>>11282689
Half of my patients drink 2 liters of coffee. None of them exercise. This might not be important for a healthy individual. But for people suffering from schizophrenia this is essential.

Sleeping well is most often the reason why my clients stay out of an episode. When the sleeping stops, the trouble starts. Food, vegetables and fruit, exercise and a predictable sleeping and living pattern can prevent people from not sleeping. Avoiding stuff that disturbs your sleeping pattern is also key.

I can't prove this but a lot of clients say they feel like they are awake and dreaming at the same time. I think it has a connection to each other. And those who manage to regulate their life well seem to benefit from it.

That said, medication helps in the case of schizophrenia. It is harmful in the long run thou.

>>11282430
>it's another wannabe schizo thread

>>11282703
> And those who manage to regulate their life well seem to benefit from it.
It's a superpower in development

>>11282430
>>11282490
>>11282533

as long as you're not posing threat to others, skip the meds. when you do pose threat to other people, get yourself locked up before you do anything, but still reject the meds.

>>11282430
I do not doubt that it is very hard to improve schizophrenia, but cannot help to imagine that the label might be even more persistent than the actual illness or even act as an driver for the illness. For example by being an easy way for people in contact with the schizophrenic brush all kinds of non-violent abuse under the rug. Because I imagine that schizophrenic breaks might sometimes be caused by a stressor like the sudden realization that ones closest wants to harm you.

>>11282430
Because schizophrenics submit to people describing them and not the other way around. It isn't curable because it isn't self-affirming, which is what 'health' and 'meditation' consider themselves to be.

~Signed, KumKum~

>>11282720
the white/grey matter shrinkage doesn't even matter. your delusions are you as much as everything else in your mind.

>>11282533
if your delusions wanted to kill you, you'd be dead. you'd never have had the chance to even get diagnosed. it's fine to TRY commit suicide as long as you don't do it. maybe you can feel inside that you are too afraid of certain things to progress with your life. like death. and you're desperately trying to show yourself that anything can happen even if you lock yourself up in a bubble.

not saying it's what happening, just trying to show you that the human mind is a LOT more rational than we perceive it. there's a reason why it puts you through the delusions it does when you're off meds, and if you dropped your fear and inability to cope with living in literal hell, and just let it take you through its rides, just learned to accept that this is part of what you're meant to go through in this life, you'd arise as a far stronger man. you'd probably be capable of achieving things the rest of us could only ever dream of.

Also how the fuck are their groups of humans scrabbling for their own scraps of sanity when there is literally nothing from external information sources that can correlate what would be considered a distributive or beneficial moment?

Politics
Science (you guys have done SO little so acting superior from ivory towers just entrenches you more in your language bullshit)
Economy (Rich get richer; etc.)
Education

List goes on. How the fuck does anyone actually stand as the arbiter of sanity when nobody demonstrates any willingness to share warmth anywhere? Or are we all doomed to always be cold observers, indifferent to the vibrations we witness, until we get 'far enough away from it'.

>>11282430
Learn to fast, cut out processed foods and most meat (leave in fish and white meat), start meditating on self-acceptance, and begin micro-dosing psychedelic drugs with possible plans to have a large DMT, muchroom, or lsd trip.

>>11282741
and if you feel like you were the cause of WW2, there could, for example, be something you're doing wrong with your life right now.

like, imagine a german journalist composing a slightly demagogue article about jews in 1920s germany, that seemed completely harmless at the time. there's a chance that that person was literally who hit off a chain reaction that put hitler in power and started ww2.

there's obviously nothing like that about you, but your mind can probably sense that there's something you are doing wrong right now that could lead to a catastrophe later in some way far too complex for your concious mind to understand. just let it show you the guilt and if you let yourself think about it enough eventually you will realize what you're doing wrong and stop doing it. maybe not conciously, but you WILL chance.

>>11282430
because its fake news, its just people who want to make money from made up diseases and illnesses, oh look, I can make up stuff too and say you cant deal with it, then give you a treatment for a monthly fee payment or some backdoor deal with the pharmacutical industry or some other greedy pig medical industry fuck bags, people dont have to deal with that

>>11282757
WILL chance. = WILL change.

>>11282757
Quick question, "What the fuck do any of you, or anyone else, mean when you ask someone to imagine something? What is the purpose of that request if not to also enact or enable it?"

In my existence/reality/quanta/qualia imagination is what actually comes to fruition and intelligence is the masturbatory experience of it.

>>11282763
i could have literally omitted the word imagine without changing the essence of what i wrote. especially if i started it off like

>maybe there was a german journalist...

does this satisfy your question im unsure

>>11282771
I also see it when people say, "Imagine this level of butthurt."

Is it a colloquial thing? It feels people means more presuppose rather than imagine. If people are using imagination for presuppositions then I can instantly see where education, in all cultures, has gone wrong.

>>11282778
kys schizo

>>11282430
I don't know which drugs you have tried but if you sit down with a decent psychiatrist, describe what drugs have caused what side effects and which bother you the most they should be able to possible help alleviate some of them. It may help to illiterate that you are able to take multiple doses a day if you truly can do it. Some of the atypical antipsychotics like ziprasidone that have the least amount of side effects on average need to be taken twice a day with food which with most schizophrenics and even just normal people cannot do. Be honest with yourself here if you can do this every single day without fail however.

Also obviously don't listen to all the idiots ITT saying to stop your medications. Though judging by your posts I don't think that's a real worry.

>>11282778
anyho imagine in "imagine this level of butthurt", and imagine in what i said have 2 different meanings.

i... i don't feel like explaining it now idk why but i have a hard time beleiveing you really don't understand what it actually means when you're able to have this level of english proficiency.
you also sound like you put yourself above others, and probably unconsciously consider your inability to understand "common people metaphors" something that makes you better than them, something that makes you special.

>>11282793
and hence you don't actually want to acknowledge that you understand, but you do know what people actually mean inside.

Hi guys I read the schizphrenia Wikipedia and I definitely have it too.. just like you guys do. It really sucks sometimes I talk to myself and I see reality for how it really is you know? Man it sucks

>>11282781
Why does everyone want to kiss me online? They do it in public as well. It's fucking weird. I mean I'm fine when the guys kiss me but so many then tell me that they love me and grab my crotch.

If the women did that to me then I could understand that it is just a cultural thing or if I was supposed to do it to them then okay but the disparity is too big for me to comfortably conclude anything.

>>11282793
I place myself in a holding pen everytime I express myself and then attempt to triangulate a space of differentiation. It isn't about superiority, it is about putting my naked self up for grabs/manipulation so that others may correct me more effectively. I have never really engage with common people metaphors. I am a male that has primarily interacted with females his entire life. I've never had to fight with other males or intellects for resources or recreation, but I do play online games, however I don't believe people would want that personality of mine out in public as it is far more abrasive than my observational language choices.
>e.g. why you talk so butthurt? y u think your butt so special that I just gotta have it?

I'm trying to strike the middle ground between my extremes here just so people can either 'get me' better or 'fuck off' quicker, I guess.

PIC RELATED: Mathematical sorting/ordering problems are kind of the only thing I find interesting about the field/discipline.

>>11282814
are you male or female

>>11282817
nvm

>>11282814
are you op? are you diagnosed as schizo professionally? do you believe you're a schizo?

>>11282825
and most importantly do you take any mind-altering drugs on a constant basis

>>11282825
>>11282830
No to all. It is easy to 'pretend' to be a schizo because most humans are just quick-twitch neurological judgement dispensers and it is hilarious to troll them because most of their examples come from movies/media, which really are just a limited slice of a larger whole.

Funniest was when I trolled a psychiatrist in front of his two assistant nurses with a friend of mine. It's an act called, "Ripping off the mask." I did it because they were being disrespectful to Aboriginal culture and my people wanted to 'send a message' to the false mental health they've been providing to the Youth.

I'm the guy that dances outside the Vic State Library in special hat and with the pigeons. Fuck loads of people have derisive opinions of me (been screamed at and called a pedophile by some middle aged guy while I was teaching a group of young people stuff) or they think I have special needs until I bust out the dance moves. I just get bored sometimes and hate having to be 'super serious' all the time jsut to satisfy the narrative in some judgemental old cunt's mind. I still KINDA have to because they still use money to lock people up but the more aware people are of me in public the less hold private interests have over me and my people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otnyM9RJG4o

>>11282706

>>11282868
who did you vote for

>>11282430
I'd wager it's because psychiatry is a soft science. Hell most medicine is still "eminence based" the young guys are moving towards evidence based but it's a slow process.

I'd compare cutting edge psychiatry to sufficiently advanced alchemy. Seems like the neurochemists might come up with the answer eventually, but until then, just gotta have the shrink balance your humors.

>>11282870
fdp

>>11282876
So have the infinitesimal average your holistic observations?

>t.Homeopathic mathematician, Calculus & Algebra + Geometry

>>11282876
>I'd compare cutting edge psychiatry to sufficiently advanced alchemy

it's true, except it's far more damaging to others (the patients).

physiciatry is the only interesting specialization for doctors, and since in the us becoming a doctor is extremely prestigious, a lot of people have to choose it and then their wellbeing becomes dependent on beleiving that meds are actually a positive thing. it's a vicious cycle with no escapes. i hate scientologists but i'd almost respect them trying to get psychiatrists rejected, if their incredible stupidity on all other areas wasn't so well known and made their drug rejection backfiring and wasn't making psychiatry more established in the end.


we have no idea how the mind/brain actually works. no neurochemist will solve that. chemistry isn't powerful. but even if we're gonna have nanorobots that can literally turn specific neurons on and off, it'll still be impossible to judge the long-term consequences of "curing" someone of the symptoms of schizophrenia.

just fuck mind altering drugs altogether and forever and live your life the way you were meant to. with your unique mind, no matter how much harder it is for you than others. man up and take the fucking challenge.

>>11282878
fuck they look pretty based. i wanted to make fun of schizo meds making people vote for merkel

Okay, when would a schizophrenic ever know that they were healed, and when would society 'retire' that word so that it didn't resurface?

>Riddle me this, twatman.

>>11282892
> chemistry isn't powerful.
*chemistry isn't powerful enough [for making fucking molecules that mess with the mind in all the right way].

Well thank fuck that I'm the eternally retarded student that never learns everything and the entire human race is cursed to be my teacher if they ever want to have any universal gifts because they have to cater to the lowest common denominator, which is [math]\iota[/math] OR 0 or [math]\pi[\math].

Correct, there are only three potential non-integer denominators for all mathematics that could ever utilize Calculus/Algebra/Geometry.

The rest really were mathematicians that had chosen to get greedy instead of giving awareness of division to the needy.

>Being a meme and math God is kinda weird but hey, thanks Uluru and I love the gifts! TIME-SHIFT!

Well, there is var, complex conjugate (pi), and absorptive property or SIG_TERM.

I can give you all the documentation if you want but a lot of you got offended when I actually presented the solution to RZ and keep thinking I care about fame/fortune.

I actually just care about you all reaching out and giving shit about other people instead of going 'libcucktard' and whatever you guys think.

I'm not ENABLING or ALLOWED internet English into reality unless DIVINE CONNECTION is approved, n00bs.

lrn2simulate~your own father's~prostate!

>>11282920
you're taking meds and lying, unfortunately.

>>11282922
Why do you need someone like that to exist in your life, and you the observer/judge/dispenser of it?

>>11282430
Assuming this isn't bait...

At least some schizophrenic-spectrum disorders are thought to be genetic with certain rare variants interacting. It can appear random even in same family tree. Stressors can aggrivate symtoms too. I am not a doctor and can't do anything for you.

Maybe natural medicine and health-food can help, couldn't hurt... They say having certain amino acids can moderate some forms of depression. Who knows! Of course the nature of things prevents any one cure in general, sorry.

lmao just ask for a lobotomy can't break something if there is nothing to break

>>11282430
because no one knows the source of the problem, only vague guesses about too much or too little of one activity in one area or the other
poor sleep, high stress and alcohol use worsens symptoms

>>11283863
no one does that anymore

>>11283836
>thought to be genetic
like ten years ago

>>11282868
>risperdal
I was given risperdal at age 10 for tourettes and ocd. I took it for 3 years.

>>11282920

Oh shit its cubehead, thought you were dead bro

>>11284338
How the fuck would I be dead?

>>11282686
>>11282703
It's magnesium deficiency. All schizophreniacs are severelly magnesium deficient. (it doesn't show in blood plasma; too low levels make the heart stop working so the brain goes first)

>>11282584
glycine maybe. sarcosine, I don't think so.

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>>11283957
sure they do. antipsychotics are just chemical lobotomies.

as another fellow mentally ill person i think we'd be better off euthanized

>>11284434
No. Test the levels in erythrocytes (that's red blood cells). They will be super low.

>>11284518
no. you're just incredibly low iq. whatever keep on taking magnesium and believe you're fine / it's the reason why you're fine and everyone who isn't alright would be fine if they took it. retard.

>>11284583
i do take 250mg (sometimes 375mg when i'm stressed) magnesium daily btw, it makes me sleep better. but it's not going to fucking solve any serious mental issue. only overcoming yourself will solve those regardless of the supplmenets you take.

Was diagnosed with it around 5 years ago. I was very depressed (and maybe still are) and tried to kill myself.
Some moment (I think afer I took LSD) I decided to go forward and started reading philosophy and science. Some fiction, too.
I am studying physics right now, which goes pretty well. Just need to take some amphetamines for the math lecture, because it requires strong thinking. I find it pretty hard to built thoughts in my mind. Imagination works very well.
A month ago, I did an IQ test at mensa and scored 132. Yeah it is a meme, but it gave me a good feeling to not be that much useless, besides I often just sit around with nothing in mind and drink much amounts of alcohol.

>>11284698
congrats on frying your dopaminergic nerve endings. you're still too weak to handle your own mind and accept what your real purpose is with this life. the expectations of society still pressure you and you can't be the genuine you. and thanks to taking amphetamines, which cause permanent non-recoverable neurotoxicity, never will. you're not any better than a schizo on schizo meds. good job.

>>11284706
I always find it funny, how some autistic person in a thread analysis me in such a accurate way. You must be some kind of a magician or so.
But you're a really very right. Taking speed 2 times a month is very harmful and I need to get my shit together and find my god-given purpose in life.

Also, your mum is fat.

>>11284583
>no. you're just incredibly low iq.
Another reason to believe psychiatrists are absolutely fucking insane.

because it dont exist... it is made up by the people who wrote dsm. have u heard about religious sckizophrenia? in the hindu belief also there is nothing exist (ALL IS MAYA, ILLUSION), and this nothing is consciousness (you know it from quantumphysics). as to say a schizophrenic god, whos so sckizo s/he broke Self into seemingly everyone and every thing else. sometimes INI we see it like this or that but theres only one way forward... become a psychedelic apprentice at your local quantum ashram or wutwut

>>11282430
Because it's not something you can simply fix by acting directly on the brain. It's very complex and goes deeply into someone's mind. Some delusions serve as defence mechanisms for example. That why it seems clear that neuroscience will never entirely replace psychiatry and psychology.

The fact that bipolar disorder which seem like a way more simple illness isn't curable either, that puts things in perspective.

>>11284932
Actually recent research indicates a genetic variant also linked to depression and anxiety.

Considering those three conditions, it makes sense. They have similar features.

These findings will inform possible treatments.

>>11284932
> it's not something you can simply fix by acting directly on the brain.

Many have failed to anticipate the possibilities of science.

>>11282743
random anon here.
Well, at least for me, i think this way:
Everyone has a desire, a wish to do something, be it small or significant, so in the end, we are kind of slaves to our desires?
Because i don't think anyone in their right mind would do what they do without getting proper attention/recognition back.
For example, why would someone discuss politics over another, economy, and how to get rich, or how to learn something properly?
They do either for self-esteem or to achieve something farther, such as obtaining recognition for a better job, a better socializing environment, and so on.
Basicaly people do things because they believe it's a good idea, it makes them feel good, reassured, well, even if it includes stepping over someone else.
I guess that's us humans on the actual days, living of desires and copying the desires of others along the way.

>>11284980
You refer to desires while science observes behaviors. Behaviors are simply explained by motivations. The nature of those motivations are where the mystery is, however, you can further refine them to extrinsic and intrinsic causes.

Intrinsic may be deciding to eat (a behavior) because you are hungry. Or it may be extrinsic, because your adult authority figure told you to eat your vegetables. A simplistic example, to illustrate the concept.

Similarly, all the behaviors you see humans doing are motivated by a mixture of intrinsic and extrinsic factors, but the relative weights of those factors are rarely consciously considered, or can be known, mostly because they are unexamined and hard to test. For example, many believe certain rationalizations and stories they tell themselves about why they do the things they do. The problem with this is the bias toward their subjective experience. For instance someone might rationalize they work because they love their job. Then, they win the lottery. Suddenly their motivations change, and thus the behaviors change. The bottom line is that it is not typically known what truly motivates us because we are constantly making up stories to explain the behaviors in terms of motivations we prefer to think explain them.

Brain scan imaging, however, can reveal secrets to behaviors in a more objective fashion.

>>11284718
there's no such thing as "purpose", just grindy hard work.
take care of your health and have one specific goal, start with something normal/achivable (university for example, or adquiring whatever knowledge brings food to the table)
you'll start to like the grind in time, but you have to start

>>11285024
Yeah, this is bullshit

>>11282430
so much toxic status quo sick itt

>>11282430
You see some morbidly obese, emotionally inert sack of retarded uselessness, its a good bet that "shrinks" got their little claws in em.
Do these "doctors" ever wonder about what affects doing this to people might have on society at large? I mean, the victim seems perfectly content with their new existence as a BLOB, but what about the victims family and friends and the effects of seeing someone they know and love turned into such a creature? What about the effects on every day people who have to see them waddle around? Is "the doctor" happy to just go along with in as long as he can keep raking in those phat doctor box?

Im drinking alcohol while on risperidone. Screw you doc!
What's that? Im worried that my hearts going to stop. Well more alcohol will fix that.

>>11282430
It will be less money for psychofarma and psychiatric industry if somebody helped those people.

While on pill, they make money for the industry, and that is the reason.

Pill makes you crazy, and you must eat pill. That is schizophrenia.

>>11285115
I'm glad you took the time to read the post; I'm curious, what part of it do you consider bullshit and I'd like to hear an alternate theory behind motivation if you have one

>>11285142
I think the truth is much simpler than that. Small molecules and ingredients like alcohol and sugar can exert very detrimental effects on brain health, and human beings are poorly calibrated to resist the urges to avail themselves to such damaging, yet widely available substances.

Is the "victim" you refer to apocryphal or do you have a real direct experience with an example?

>>11285274
>apocryphal
I know several examples, piggy.

>>11285024
Sorry for the rudeness.
See, psychology today keeps trying to adjust to the model of natural sciences, which it isn't. In this effort it simplifies psychological objects to make them "more objective", more physical-like. But they aren't physical, so the only thing obtained is a simplified psychology ashamed of using real psychological terms, like desire or responsability.
There is no mystery in the nature of the rich variety of phenomenons you call motivations.
Knowledge of own's motivations requires logical thinking, and while it's true that a person may not know why they wanna do something, or why their motivations changed, this is not the general case (although the creation of coherent but fake explanations of a change of behavior is typicall of psychotic diseases, but in this case the patient isn't choosing or prefering the given explanation).

>>11282430
>meds that either make you fat
The meds don’t make you fat, they increase your appetite, you just need to be aware of it and have some self control.

>>11282686
From what I’ve read Vitamin D deficiency might also be a factor.

>>11285319
>no mystery in the nature of the rich variety of phenomenons you call motivations.

As many of us ask, "why do I... (do something)", there is many more behaviors for which we never ask that question; the answer seems self-evident. But this is just a feature of the mind, making it possible to act without having to do complicated cost benefit analyses with a hundred different variables objectively weighted. This is all hidden from our conscious mind in a convenient way. We're the audience watching a trick being done and the magician in one.

Humans engage in post-hoc rationalizations to explain our behaviors and it works well enough because reasoning doesn't have to be internally self-justifying, just acceptable enough to allow us to stop trying to figure it out. We tend to come up with the best, most flattering justifications for our behaviors, but science has shown all of this rationalization occurs after the fact, and isn't objectively true in any sense, even though it may feel 100% justified. That feeling of being sure, feeling justified, IS one of the intrinsic motivators behind behavior, even the behavior of trying to determine why we do what we do. So people spontaneously arrive at the most flattering, most convenient reasons, and deem them sufficient. Unless you really interrogate someone about their behaviors we have a built-in tendency to tell ourselves what we want to hear. So a therapist has to really dig into a person's experience, with their help (and sometimes without) to produce a more exact, more accurate motivation. If you don't have a handle on the real motivations, you probably won't change the apparent behavior.

>>11285319
>no mystery in the nature of the rich variety of phenomenons you call motivations.

As many of us ask, "why do I... (do something)", there is many more behaviors for which we never ask that question; the answer seems self-evident. But this is just a feature of the mind, making it possible to act without having to do complicated cost benefit analyses with a hundred different variables objectively weighted. This is all hidden from our conscious mind in a convenient way. We're the audience watching a trick being done and the magician in one.

Humans engage in post-hoc rationalizations to explain our behaviors and it works well enough because reasoning doesn't have to be internally self-justifying, just acceptable enough to allow us to stop trying to figure it out. We tend to come up with the best, most flattering justifications for our behaviors, but science has shown all of this rationalization occurs after the fact, and isn't objectively true in any sense, even though it may feel 100% justified. That feeling of being sure, feeling justified, IS one of the intrinsic motivators behind behavior, even the behavior of trying to determine why we do what we do. So people spontaneously arrive at the most flattering, most convenient reasons, and deem them sufficient. Unless you really interrogate someone about their behaviors we have a built-in tendency to tell ourselves what we want to hear. So a therapist has to really dig into a person's experience, with their help (and sometimes without) to produce a more exact, more accurate motivation. If you don't have a handle on the real motivations, you probably won't change the apparent behavior.

>>11285558
>That feeling of being sure, feeling justified, IS one of the intrinsic motivators behind behavior, even the behavior of trying to determine why we do what we do.
Would you recommend some bibliography on this subject?

Sure, what you say is correct, but then again, this certainty frame doesn't normally change with time. At least that's my experience with patients and other people. Except in psychoses. Have you experienced otherwise with other people?

>>11285429
>The meds don’t make you fat, they increase your appetite, you just need to be aware of it and have some self control.
wrong. they literally cause "metabolic derangement"

>>11285580
"Life Strategies" by Phillip C. McGraw, PhD

For example,
>Identify the strategies that drive your behavior and that of others. Control the payoffs to control your life.

Cute patterns, guys :^)

>>11285591
That is caused by a poor diet.

>Patients with schizophrenia have a poor diet, mainly characterized by a high intake of saturated fat and a low consumption of fibre and fruit. Such diet is more likely to increase the risk to develop metabolic abnormalities.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022395612003172

>>11285647
>Patients with schizophrenia have a poor diet, mainly characterized by a high intake of saturated fat and a low consumption of fibre and fruit.
kek, what a load of shit.
a keto diet with tons of saturated fat and no fiber or fruit can actually cure schizophrenia.

>>11285869
The whole organism is what is involved here, immune system, genetics, microbiome, and adjustment of this system requires professional guidance.

To be honest, none of this shit-posting can replace personal treatment by a nutritionist or ND in designing a diet for treatment of any of the depression - anxiety - bipolar - schizo spectrum disorders.

>>11285869
Keto will only work for certain people, and such a diet is not recommended to start any course of treatment. Elimination dieting is something anyone can do and something you can start any time, though. Even that is long process that most people find very hard to plan for and execute. Seek professional advice and assistance.

>>11282430
Schitzophrenia is caused by eating plants.

A raw meat diet would do a lot to curing schizophrenia.

>>11282493
You just potentially ruined the delusion that was fixing him, idiot.

>>11286125
>Keto will only work for certain people
probably true, I think.

>and such a diet is not recommended to start any course of treatment
I disagree. It definitely should be the first-line start of any treatment of mental "illness".

>Elimination dieting is something anyone can do and something you can start any time, though.
A keto elimination diet is great. You don't need anything besides meat.

>Seek professional advice and assistance.
no. most of them do more harm than good.

>>11282430
Absolute lunatic reporting in

Lived deep in the depths of insanity and psychosis for my whole childhood, from 4 or earlier to mid 20s. The whole shabang of craziness.

It all went away with HEAVY marijuana and energy drink use. I decided one day I'd try to keep my brain in one "mode". It worked well. Not perfectly, but well enough that my brain could grab onto something. Slowly but surely, I became more and morw competant. Now I'm still a bit odd for most folks, but I've eliminated the terror that plagued my life. I've even started a business.

I suggest all people manually operate their own state of insanity, that is separate from your natural state of insanity. I believe I rewired my brain in a way that it wouldn't run into the huge programming error it had.

The medications I took as a child to relieve my symptoms never worked. Weed and energy drinks is why I'm here, and why I've had any success in life. I would likely be at the point of being unable to tie my shoes otherwise, I've been there before.