/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11277522
I downloaded all three parts of the work by Planck where this quote is supposed to source from ("Where is Science Going?", "The Universe in Light of Modern Physics", and "The Philosophy of Physics") and it appears nowhere in any of them.

Sorry OP but the quote is probably bullshit

>>11277563
Interesting you have read them all? I did not know where this quote supposedly comes from if I do 10 minutes of digging will I come back here and call you a retarded faggot for posting some dumb shit?

>>11277570
The top 'quote site' result cites it from a work called The New Science, which is made of those three essays. None of those contain the quote.

Another site claims that it's from a 1944 speech called "Das Wesen der Materie" (The Nature of Matter) but it seems impossible to find a transcript online anywhere. Most likely apocryphal.

>>11277582
or it could be misatributed

>>11277585
That's also possible. The speech "Das wesen der Materie" does appear to exist, but it is only available at an obscure German archive library.

If you look at all of the works on Google Scholar that actually cite this speech, it's a bunch of crazy woo published in fraudulent 'open access' journals

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=16672085859606442262&as_sdt=805&sciodt=0,3&hl=en

My guess is that this quote is fictitious and someone, somewhere down the line made a fraudulent citation. Nobody dug through a German archive to find this shit, and if they did, a real honest transcript would be available somewhere.

>>11277522
It's like a joke where the punchline is intelligent design when the conclusion should obviously be the aether.

>>11277611
wikipedia used that quote and cited it here but I guess you've already checked that.
Das Wesen der Materie [The Nature of Matter], speech at Florence, Italy (1944) (from Archiv zur Geschichte der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, Abt. Va, Rep. 11 Planck, Nr. 1797)

>>11277631
Their online digital catalog doesn't show any work with that title from 1944

http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.363/SET=1/TTL=1/CMD?SGE=&ACT=SRCHM&MATCFILTER=Y&MATCSET=Y&NOSCAN=Y&PARSE_MNEMONICS=N&PARSE_OPWORDS=N&PARSE_OLDSETS=N&IMPLAND=Y&NOABS=Y&ACT0=SRCHA&IKT0=2088&TRM0=Planck&ACT1=*&IKT1=4&TRM1=&ACT2=*&IKT2=2072&TRM2=&ACT3=*&IKT3=2100&TRM3=&ADI_JVU=1944&ADI_LND=&ADI_TAA=&SRT=RLV&ADI_MAT=B&ADI_MAT=T&ADI_MAT=A&ADI_MAT=V&ADI_MAT=O&ADI_MAT=S&ADI_MAT=E&ADI_MAT=W&ADI_MAT=H

Of course it's 100% possible that it's never been digitized, but it makes it that much more far-fetched that all these American authors are correctly citing this speech without paying a visit to this archive.

>>11277649
my german is very poor but one could try searching the back translation?
so I google translated the forst line which threw up a bunch of results referencing one of his last speeches at florence but many seem to be hippy new age-er sites
so it might be a more complex result, it'd help if a sourkraut speaker were around

>>11277682
I have a German translation of it from a Youtube video that pops up a couple of secondary results on Google if that helps.

I don't know if this is the true back translation though - it is fully possible that it's a German translation of the English quote.

"Als Physiker, als ein Mann, der für sein ganzes Leben der nüchternen Wissenschaft der Erforschung der Materie gedient hat, bin ich sicher von dem Verdacht frei, für einen Schwarmgeist gehalten zu werden. Und so sage ich nach meinen Erfahrungen des Atoms folgendes:
Es gibt keine Materie an sich. Jegliche Materie entsteht und besteht einzig und allein durch eine Kraft, welche die Atomteilchen in Schwingung bringt und sie zu dem winzigen Sonnensystem des Atoms zusammenhält."

Reminder that Planck raped and murdered several children

>>11277746

holy fuck this thread is a journey of a lifetime. keep going pl0x

>>11278067
unfortunately it's probably at a dead end - the quote could be real and only found in an obscure speech archived in Germany, or it could be fake and someone fabricated a citation

we won't know unless some deutscheranon decides to pay the Max Planck archives a visit and pull out the transcript

>>11278198
there should be sites where autists obsess over these things a shame most of the one's I've seen are basically subverted propaganda tools used to misrepresent politics

>>11278207
digging through papers is most of my job - I gave it a real thorough search and unfortunately the only path forward is for someone to just pay that library a visit

>>11278210
are the transcripts not publicly available?

it's odd how the quote is so common really

>>11278212
>are the transcripts not publicly available?

Nope. It dates back to 1944 so it would have had to be transcribed by a librarian or archivist and there are limits to how much stuff they can pull.

>>11277563
could be your reader's ocr sucks, or you suck at searching for things

>>11278301
I specifically found PDFs that worked well with my OCR, and I tested multiple keywords from the quote to rule out errors. It's not in any of those three works.

If the quote exists, it's definitely from that 1944 speech since it's not in The New Science.

>>11278054
>cringe
Bro, I'm not sure those emotion classes for autistic children are helping.

in finland he is know as ylilauta
>yil = top
>lauta = board

>>11277522
>atom
>minute solar system
into the trash it goes

>>11278306
So, again, you didn't read the material...

>>11277522
Sounds like something a crypto kike would say.

>>11278394
No obviously not. The objective was to verify whether the quote was sourced from that material, not to read about the things Max Planck wrote in that work.

I never claimed that I read those three essays - just that I downloaded them and verified that the quote doesn't come from any of them.

>>11277611
>>11277631
>>11278212
Kraut anon here. I've checked the archive and this exact entry (Abt. Va, Rep. 11) is sadly missing. Kind of strange that documents on Planck are missing, given that it is literally the Max Planck society's archive.

>>11277522
it'll be a better world when we have very granular control over the force that "brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds [it]"

>>11277522
He was crazy but not as crazy as Tesla

>>11280371
Well, another disappointing dead end. Good work though

Good to see that the Owner of Physics is ahead on this subject. I have already explained it here... smart people have a clue about it.

>>11280746
Does the "Owner of Physics" know whether the quote is legit then?

>>11280749

Prob legit.

>>11280754
So you don't.

>>11280762

I have the special power of being a genious like him, even better, so I kinda know how one thinks. I see no reason to start a research about this subject.

>>11280770
>verbiage and waffle
Don't frame your willingness to adhere to the status quoso poorly.

>>11280746

stop smoking crack anon