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I have autism and anxiety, diagnosed and all. Recently over Thanksgiving break I discovered that I had successfully recreated an experimental treatment for it, using a full round (or almost full round, kind of fucked it up a bit) of antibiotics to destroy a bunch of bacteria in my stomach, and then using probiotics afterwards that contained Bifidobacterium lactis and Lactobacillus acidophilus. I did not use near enough antibiotics, or they weren't reaching my gut in large enough quantities, because the positive effects only lasted for a little more then five days or so. But during that time I was free of anxiety, I was laughing with people, smiling, enjoying myself and generally being a normal mentally healthy person. I want to try to get to that state again, and this time permanently. I know that a fecal transplant can obtain the better and more permanent results as my temporary cure, but I'm not sure how to get that treatment, or if it's even possible. TLDR: Any ideas on how to destroy a large portion of gut bacteria and fill the gut with healthy bacteria?

>> No.11276945

wfpb diet

>> No.11276956

>>11276945
Fair enough. That won't kill off the bad bacteria however, as it was only over the break that I found that all my anxiety was actually gone. I hadn't experienced that before, so I didn't know how horrible I actually had it. But it was like a crowd of strangers had suddenly stopped staring at me. No diet has ever done anything like that for me before. I grew up with hippy parents who believed in only eating nice non processed foods, and I had autism then as well.

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>>11276938
Anxiety exists to keep you safe, do not rid yourself of it.

>> No.11276963

>>11276938
Eat Oatmeal,brocolli,avoid wheat flour,sodas or sugar.

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>> No.11276975

>>11276958
I don't want to be alone anymore anon. I'm tired of not being able to talk to people in person, or destroying any relationships I try to build. I'm sick and tired of having tension in my back, shoulders, jaw and chest all of the time. I hate it. I'll fucking steal a bottle of antibiotics before I give up on this.

>>11276963
I eat broccoli, I don't eat sodas or sugar on a regular basis, maybe once every few months. I'll try the other things you've said. I'll say this though, I know there are people who eat all those foods and don't suddenly develop autism. What happened over break was nothing short of a miracle, it was like a huge crushing weight had been lifted from my shoulders. I've never felt anything like that before in my life.

>> No.11276980

>>11276938
drink bleach
it's a real cure to autism

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>>11276975
>I don't want to be alone anymore anon. I'm tired of not being able to talk to people in person, or destroying any relationships I try to build. I'm sick and tired of having tension in my back, shoulders, jaw and chest all of the time. I hate it. I'll fucking steal a bottle of antibiotics before I give up on this.
Copy. Good luck. Stay strong.

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>> No.11276990

>>11276956
drink patron and henesee bri

>> No.11276992

>>11276990
Do you think alcohol could kill a significant portion of the bacteria in my stomach? Probably would be way too much and would give me alcohol poisoning before it actually did anything though.

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>>11276992
Perhaps. It probably does a number of things that lowers anxiety but it will just cause other problems sadly. Best advice i can give is do yoga. Meditate. Fast. And work really hard on not giving a fuck about anything. Your body/mind are controlling you anon. You gotta figure out how to turn the tables. This is your journey.

>> No.11277005

>>11276997
My dude, I have actual autism. As in, I don't talk to people, and when I do I say dumb things that make people feel awkward. Only reason I can talk here is because I"m alone in my room. I do exercise though, so that's kind of like meditation from my understanding. I could try fasting, I've heard it's pretty good for some things.

>> No.11277011

>>11276975
Other hypothesis is Candida on Gut

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/candida-symptoms-treatment

Other point is sunlight, and dirty/non-sunlight bedroom had candida or other fungus (Autist guy on Basement)

>> No.11277016

>>11276938
Don't blindly eat antibiotics. Different bacteria respond to different antibiotics which could potentially increase inflammophiles. Not to mention, your microbiome has a high propensity to rebound to the previous state.

You should try a mediterranean diet or just one with a rich variety of different fibers. Stay away from shitty processed foods. This will promote a diverse microbiome which has correlations to decreased autism. You should be aware that your microbiome hates change and this diet will take at least 6 weeks to show some change.

I would try the change in diet (which is the variable most likely to alter your microbiome, the 2nd is the environment you are in) first before you take drastic measures such as volunteering for fecal transplant trials.

Of course the microbiome isn't the sole contribution to your autism and nobody knows the actual percentage it contributes but you should also try to increase your willpower and self-esteem to help you communicate with others.

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>>11277005
>As in, I don't talk to people, and when I do I say dumb things that make people feel awkward
Liek i said, this is your journey. I am only partially liek you. It is only natural my advice will offend.

>> No.11277019

>>11277005
shoot heroin you fuck] g retard

pure. opium gives you super powers. no fentnyl just pure poppy in a rig

>> No.11277031

>>11277011
Didn't see much of anything in there about autism, but an interesting read nonetheless.

>>11277016
I will keep those points in mind, but as I said I am pretty desperate.

>>11277018
I didn't take offense anon, sorry it came out that way. I'll take your advice to heart.

>>11277019
>become druggie
no thanks, already take vyvanse, don't need more drugs in my life.

>> No.11277034

>>11277031
>cant give up a shitty chemical in exchange for a plant base

>> No.11277039

>>11277034
I don't want to be dependent on chemicals for the rest of my life anon. I'm tired of that, I want out of this madhouse not to change apartments.

>> No.11277050

>>11277031
Oh I forget about autism
this
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5320696/

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>>11277031
>I'll take your advice to heart.
Well here's a bit moar then, self-awareness and emotional control are damn near impossible to achieve in the midst of what your doing. But it's not impossible. The road i advise is filled with a whole lot of discomfort. But as far as i can tell, it's the only road to take in order to achieve inner peace. I hate sound liek a hippie faggot, but it is what it is. There's no shortcut for this. Constant energy being poured into self-awareness and doing what you can to manipulate your own emotions/thoughts is the only thing i've found success with. I've just recently started doing a real faggoty thing to help myself out along this journey, which is asking god for help. I'm not religious, but through my constant endeavor of achieving self-awareness i have no choice but to recognize that i am controlled by my own emotions way more often than i'd liek. It's been absolute hell figuring this shit out but i guess i have the luxury of having snapped at age 11 or so and have been spending every waking moment since trying to understand everything i possibly can in order to bring myself peace. I have a fucked up mind/body. You have a fucked up mind/body. Everything is correlated. Everything is connected. Good luck.

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>>11277055
>Well here's a bit moar then, self-awareness and emotional control are damn near impossible to achieve in the midst of what your DEALING WITH
rather. i keep fucking up my communication. Oh well LOL

>> No.11278429

>>11276938
how can this bacteria get you rid off anxiety?
could you explain please?

>> No.11278696

>>11276938 (OP)
how can this bacteria get you rid off anxiety?
could you explain please?

>> No.11278712

>>11278696
You don't have to write "(OP)" you retarded Reddit faggot.

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>>11278712
>Newfag detected
>Reeeeeeeeeeeee
Give the newfag a break, he’s asking a genuine question

>> No.11278791

>>11278712
Sorry I am too curious. Everytime there's somenthing new I wanna know it
I am too curious about this universe . It's so incredible and fascinating.
I mean a bacteria curing anxiety. WOW.

>> No.11278795 [DELETED] 

>>11277055
ok ma hai ottenuto il controllo sui tuoi impulsi almeno in parte? È molto difficile e hai ragione, ma è un percorso che se riesci a farlo porta a un'enorme consapevolezza. Faccio fatica con la meditazione consapevole

>> No.11278903

>>11277055
okay but have you achieved control over your impulses at least in part? It is very difficult and you are right but it is a path that if you manage to do it leads to an enormous awareness. I struggle with mindfulness meditation

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>>11276938
ride a bike everywhere if you can, OP
a bike is an efficient mean of transportation, a healthy way to exercise and something wich can help you focused on what's going on inside your mind and body
a bike can quickly become your best friend
if found this helping me a lot
it depends what kind of person you are and what kind of environment you're living in, of course
go to >>>/n/ for advice
they're pretty cool guys

>> No.11278995

>>11276938 that wasn't gut bacteria but the fever effect. Look it up.

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>>11278903
>okay but have you achieved control over your impulses at least in part?
Ya but i could've easily ended up dead or in jail at any point along the journey. But you're gonna be dead regardless of anything so throw that idea right the fuck out the window and just enjoy the fact that someday you'll be released from this miserable fucking world. Focus on not ending up in jail. You need to have teeth in this world. That's the real key to being likeable socially, it's a balancing point. Likeable yet unwilling to tolerate anybody's bullshit. It's ok to rub people wrong from tiem to tiem. Hell, i've been volunteering at a soup kitchen for over 3 years now so i can have the confidence to not give a fuck about what anybody wants from me socially. Which makes everyone love me blah fuckin blah i dont fucking give a shit i just want peace of mind so i can be comfortable until i fucking die. This requires a monumental effort of counter-intuitive combined with intuitive shit and it fucking sucks.

Good luck.

>> No.11279237

>>11276938
>I had successfully recreated an experimental treatment for it
You didn't you gullible piece of shit. Why would you ever think it would make any sort of sense to be your own judge of whether or not a fucking psychological problem you yourself have has been treated by something you did? Do you not see the problem here?

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>> No.11279473

>>11278429
>>11278696
There are a few types of bacteria that can live in the digestive tract that appear to produce neurotoxins that inhibit the brains ability to produce oxytocin and dopamine.

>> No.11279488

>>11278982
I do actually ride my back everywhere, its the only transportation I have outside of my feet.

>>11279237
You may be right. But the problem is I was happy and talking anon. I hadn't felt so comfortable in my whole life, ever. Not even when I've had a fever (the fever effect already mentioned by an anon here >>11278995)
did I feel so carefree and social. You are certainly right in that I am no unbiased judge of my abilities, but I can't shake the feeling that I did something right there. Look at it this way, I am attempting to recreate the effects of a previous experiment. I'll be going to a psychologist, so hopefully I'll be able to have her observe the effects, if any, of my procedure.

>> No.11279581

>>11279488
I mean it's a known thing, and it's the fever, not the antibiotics.
Google "autism fever effect".
https://embraceasd.com/the-fever-effect/

>> No.11279587

>>11279581
I'm well aware anon, I recall there having been a few times in my life where I've had a fever and a lot of my tension and anxiety melted away. That's part of why this test of mine was so noteworthy to me, even during those fevers I didn't feel so carefree and happy.

>> No.11279922

>>11279587
that fever effect thing to me was just a relieving feeling of having family/friends around while im on the brink of death. i hate that feeling.