/sci/ - Science & Math

>What is "existence"?
a meme

>>11277078

>>11277076
>What is "existence"?

Who cares? Not science or math

>>11277092
Science is about explaining why and how.

>>11277082
Reminds me of Streets of Rage.

>>11277076
interesting

DUDE WEED AND PSYCHODELLICS BROS........ BRAIN ROT AND FUNGUS PLANETS BROS... I TELL YOU THAT'S THE EXISTENCE MICROWORLD IN OUR BRAINS FORMING THOUGHTS

>>11277076
ITT
>OP poses the single most important question and gets heckled by JIDF

>>11277076
You probably thought this sounded really smart

>>11277076
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/XqvnWFtRD2keJdwjX/the-useful-idea-of-truth

>The reply I gave to Dale Carrico - who declaimed to me that he knew what it meant for a belief to be falsifiable, but not what it meant for beliefs to be true - was that my beliefs determine my experimental predictions, but only reality gets to determine my experimental results. If I believe very strongly that I can fly, then this belief may lead me to step off a cliff, expecting to be safe; but only the truth of this belief can possibly save me from plummeting to the ground and ending my experiences with a splat.
>Since my expectations sometimes conflict with my subsequent experiences, I need different names for the thingies that determine my experimental predictions and the thingy that determines my experimental results. I call the former thingies 'beliefs', and the latter thingy 'reality'.

>>11277184
This response is somewhat understandable (though still dimwitted) given the image I used. Assuming mockery or sarcasm.

>>11277195
>>11277209
These are just substanceless and inane.

>>11277092
literal NPC detected

>>11277184
DUDE MONEY AND BANK ACCOUNTS AND MINDLESS CONSUMPTION OF MATERIAL SHIT BRO FUCK YAH

>>11277537
Don't tease epsilons. They are literally conditioned from birth to believe their pathetic existence scrubbing the shit is paradise.

>>11277076
>What does it mean to exist?
Whatever that interacts is existence, nothing more. In the absence of interaction, there isn't a self-contained core nor is there a external agent hidden beneath the interaction.

>>11277645
The primary difference then is I assume there is a singular constant, likely immutable reference frame everything is unavoidably relative to. Whereas you start further back on the chain and assume that something which is floating in a void on its own cannot be said to exist or have location because it cannot be relative to anything.

The gist of the matter is where the orderly logic present in phenomena comes from, by what means does it "exist". You're arguing for circular. Self contained, closed loop.

>>11277096
Not why, only how, and even then not totally

>>11277096
>Science is about explaining why and how.

To the extent possible empirically.

>>11277528
>literal NPC detected

Life isn’t a video game. Go outside.

>>11277764
How to do it? How to go outside?

>>11277537
>DUDE MONEY AND BANK ACCOUNTS AND MINDLESS CONSUMPTION OF MATERIAL SHIT BRO FUCK YAH

Sounds like fun. Or I could waste my time and energy thinking about unverifiable and unfalsifiable pseudointellectual questions that don’t actually improve my wellbeing to any degree. What a conundrum. How ever will I choose?

>>11277774
EXIT DOES NOT EXIST

>>11277774
>How to do it? How to go outside?
Find the closest door and press the “action” button, usually mapped to the “E” key, and keep doing so until you find yourself in an outdoors environment with the sky overhead

>>11277775
Then get out. There's the door.

>>11277775
>unverifiable and unfalsifiable
Perhaps to s simpleton such as yourself, this is not the case for all of us, sorry bout your luck. Perhaps the new Onions Wars movie is on Netflix for you!

>>11277786
>Then get out.

Nah. I’m having fun making fun of you right now.

>>11277799
>Perhaps to s simpleton such as yourself, this is not the case for all of us

Please share your experimental evidence that elucidates the true nature of “existence”.

>>11277764
>Life isn’t a video game
And yet you are an NPC quite a paradox we have discovered, this could be the discovery of the decade

>>11277803
Well alright, carry on then.

>>11277783
Depending on the architecture, those instructions might not lead to the environment with the sky overhead.

>>11277805
http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

http://esotericawakening.com/is-free-will-an-illusion

Feel free to leave a comment in a few years when you understand it all mate

>>11277815
>That schizo blog again

>>11277726
I expect a response to this by the way.

>>11277783
Interesting analogy: instead of looking for doors in the game, stop staring at the screen and get outside.
But what is it that it is analogy for? Higher dimensions?

>>11277820
>calling everything you are too stupid to understand schizo

>having the stones to LARP on a science board like you understand even the basic notion of what science actually is

>>11277827
Imagine that a person is sitting in the train, the train is moving. And someone says to him: "Go outside". How is he supposed to go outside? Jump off the train?

Or maybe the analogy is wrong, I don't know.

>>11277726
>I assume there is a singular constant, likely immutable reference frame everything is unavoidably relative to
The problem with this idea is this "constant" cannot be said to exist. If its not subject to mutability, then it cannot be subject to causality and then cannot interact with and thus would not exist.

>>11277076

With only high school science and pop-sci education it seems to me that everything is waves. Waves traveling in a spatial vacuum which has fields and more waves popping in and out of existence.

If I could conceptualize what the actual nature of waves, a vacuum and fields were, then I might be better off to offer an explanation while taking into consideration the reason why light has an upper bound and whatever the fuck gravity is.

Mathematical equations and glib analogies to balls stretching a rubber sheet didn't do much for me at school :(

pseud: the thread

>>11278156

Actually, judging from what you have posted, you may be a good person to ask. Do you have any insight into what a wave is? All I have ever found are text book equations or some parrot repeating the same unenlightened definition, both of which reveal zero conceptual insight to me. To give you an idea of where I am with this: Is a wave a compression and then expansion of three dimensional space, similar in nature to a sound wave? Or is it physically a discontinuity in space, with one dimensional line wiggling up and down as it travels, much like it is pictured in a high school text, if so does it then oscillate through three dimensions or remain within 2 as you might imagine being the case with respect to polarized light?

>>11277076
You got it wrong OP, is not just two choices. There are three of them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_trilemma

>>11278203
Good point, I'd pretty much forgot about and written off infinite subdivision. I also another idea at one point where infinite subdivision is reconciled by merging it with the circular, and essentially what we see at the most macro scales is identical to what we see at the most micro. And this remains no matter what scale of organization you anchor on. Never really made it work.

>>11277082
contact?

>>11278269

[Math]\mathbb{R}[/math]

[math]\mathbb{R}[/math]
test

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>>11277076
There was a neo-kantian philosopher named Hermann Cohen and he made a distinction between existence as that which exists, and being as the rules/math/law-like relations of things. For him he subsistuted the Platonic realm of "free floating ideas" for a normative and rule orientated shaping of things. To summarize: essentially there are truths that are timeless and then there are circumstantial historical truths in the more existential sense of Heidegger or other existential philosophies. Althought Heidegger would describe Being as what I just called existence, but he's a bit confused in my opinion, I'm more thinking in terms of Godel, Cantor, Robinson and others.

>>11277076

Existence is the aftermath of the big bang which occurred billions of years ago within a state of "not nothingness" because absolute nothingness cannot exist. Otherwise. there would be nothing.

This "not nothingness" is what all of reality, life and existence is composed of. It's all the same thing, just different accumulations or structures of it. Luckily this stuff can stick together, otherwise life wouldn't exist.

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>>11278323
Maybe big bang is like when you draw a perspective you draw a railroad and it becomes a point.
So maybe big bang is how we see the never ending past from our perspective.

>>11278323
In this model: what is the relationship between this "not nothingness" and time?
Is time a part of it? Or maybe there are a lot of "not nothingnesses"? Some of them are with time, some of them are without time. And maybe there are types of times too.

>>11278348

That's a really good question.

>>11278323
>absolute nothingness cannot exist
I come to similar conclusion. By definition nothing can not exist, therefore there is something. I imagine this simple logic being the core of everything, a core that lies in the field of abstracts. And from that an algorithm/equation is produced that has a fractal as a solution. This fractal would also "exist" only in the field of abstracts, but looking from within the fractal one would see it as existence.

As to big bang, I'm not sure that is actually the core. Maybe it is, but I don't see any reason to think existence is only limited to what we see. Sounds quite egocentric to me. The rabit hole may be deeper than we are able to go.

>>11277775
>unverifiable and unfalsifiable pseudointellectual questions
If you think "falsifiability" is the only metric for knowledge, you are the pseudo intellectual, not the other anons ITT

Consciousness is fun phenomenon. To experience it, throw the ”I” out of the way.

Bumping my supposedly retarded pseud thread. ;^)

>>11278363
holy shit i feel so in the moment right now hell ya

>>11278848

This is a fun read on the topic.

https://www.space.com/31192-what-triggered-the-big-bang.html