/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11255500
Your off by one digit considering what’s happening tomorrow...

>>11255521
Oops.

>Space flight general
>Not a single person here has ever been to space

>>11255580
That is what I'm working towards.

>>11255580
I work in the Space industry, if it matters.

>look at the "Fundamentals of Astrodynamics" book
>its not hard its just really really tedious
im just going to study something else

When will Elon admit that the ''Starship'' project was all just a practical joke?

Do people actually believe they're going to be able to send a giant tin can to the Moon and Mars carrying a bunch of people within the next decade? they can't even launch people in a tiny capsule on top of falcon 9 yet after all these years.

I'm not hating, I just don't see it.

>>11255613
a decade is a very long time, anon

>>11255521
>>11255568
This better go off without a problem.

>>11255613
>When will Elon admit that the ''Starship'' project was all just a practical joke?
What makes you think it is a joke? Because many of the hardware that are meant for Starship are real and they work so it seems like alot of work for some joke.

Or are you suggesting that the time table is a joke? Because anyone who is actually knowledge about spaceflight don't believe Elons predicts. However, SpaceX have proven themselves to be a very capable space organization, and it seems like they can make Starship work even if its a little bit later than what Elon said.

>>11255618
it is in literally everything, other than /Space Flight/

>>11255619
That’s pretty much the general attitude of the Chinese towards this launch, things are very tense. You can argue that it was naive and short-sighted of them to design their Mars mission, Lunar sample-return mission, space station modules and heavy satellites around a single launcher using untested (by China) technology.

>>11255627
Not for the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo programs, and apparently not for SpaceX

>>11255613
>I just don't see it.
Be honest, did you see electric cars being mainstream 10 years ago? Did you see reusable rocket under $50M 10 years ago? Did you see commercial rocket from US taking over European/Russian market?

Not to hate on you personally, but people that cannot think ahead in decades term, will not understand future. Yet retards like you scream the most without ANY credibility in the topic of interest.

Interesting diagram about the severity of lunar ejecta caused by lunar landers, this diagram was part of a simulation using a 40-ton lander.

>>11255658
nobody can think ahead in terms of a decade, anon
you simply must ganbarre

>>11255659
Got a source on that plot?

>>11255659
haha oh fuck, what propellant was the lander using?

>>11255613
It's physically impossible to build something like this hence why nobody built one with the closest disastrous attempt being the space shuttle. I mean. It's not that hard to imagine hugely capable and at the same time cheap machine to take your spy sats, people, and weapons in space. It's just that it can't be done.

>>11255659
Ban on lunar landings to prevent kestrel syndrome when?

>>11255669
>It's physically impossible to build something like this hence why nobody built one with the closest disastrous attempt being the space shuttle
What? How?

>>11255669
[citation needed]

>>11255660
You need to humble yourself more. You're an average to slightly above average at best. You probably possess minimal to no professional/scientific knowledge with regards to rocket science. At best, you have surface level understanding of rockets and have never actually been near a rocket/space industry facility, let alone thought of working there. Its okay to admit yourself being a retard; 95% of the world is retard with regards to every other topic other than their professional dependent career.

With that in mind, can you honestly say you understand rocket technology better than people developing rockets themselves? Just because you cannot think of how a rocket is made doesn't mean there aren't people who don't know the ins and outs of rocket development.

>>11255665
The world’s foremost expert on lunar regolith: https://twitter.com/drphiltill?lang=en

>>11255658
You're right to be honest I didn't see most of what is happening today 10 years ago, space shuttle was still doing launches in 2011 and that seems like a lifetime ago.

Although space flight is just full of so much bullshit that will hamper down development. I really do hope by 2030 we will have a small space economy going and for it to really kick off in the 2030's

>can't land on the moon with a big landed because dust
>can't live on mars because perchlorates
>can't live on Jovian moons because radiation
reeee

>>11255695
>Although space flight is just full of so much bullshit that will hamper down development
For Starship development, as long as there isn't an actual law against SpaceX development, the funding should be relatively "secured." The security being provided by next year's global coverage by Starlink. Then there's no need for government dependency and commercial launch drought issues. Government dependency could go either way due to politics. Commercial drought could go either way due to market forces. With a stable Starlink base, they will have an indefinite steady source of income.

>>11255676
Think of the military application a 'starship' thing can have
>100+ tons to orbit
>fly multiple times a day
>cost of each flight is cheap fuel
>cost of each unit is less than most military planes

It's a superweapon. Superweapon so utterly game changing that the whole idea that nobody thought of it is laughable when we consider how many stupid ideas were considered seriously over the years. In fact the USSR stole the shuttle designs and copied it as close as they could solely because they suspected it could be used for precision nuclear attacks. Capability so utterly inferior to what 'starship' promises that it's just laughable.

Clearly, there was interest in vehicles with such overwhelming capabilities. So why hasn't anyone ever attempted to build a 'starship'? They were stupid? Didn't have the money? The computers were too slow? I'm not buying such explanations.

And even if we assume the people of the past were morons. Why is the US today essentially ignoring the 'starship'? For a nation that is obsessed with military superiority, you'd expect the birth of such brilliant idea to spark a bit of fire in the eyes of generals so keen to burn fortunes on dubious projects with far less return potential. Reality is the 'starship' is essentially backyard project of some rich hobbyist given some minimal lip service from officials that are either extremely brave or extremely stupid and immune to embarrassment.

Clearly there are reasons for this and I strongly suspect they are quite simple: it's not possible to build a vehicle that fulfills all these promises at the same time. And a vehicle that does not deliver them all is neither a superweapon nor a mars colonization device.

>>11255774
>nobody's done it so it can't be done
>what's that, computer simulations and avionics power has increased massively in the last 10 years, and the Shuttle was a product of the 70s?
>nah I don't buy that, everything's just a massive conspiracy
>it's impossible because nobody's done it because it's impossible QED hahaha
jesus fuck just vent yourself

>>11255774
The reason why something like Starship hasn't been developed and why the US government hasn't been interested in it considering how revolutionary the rocket is expected to be is for two main reasons.

>There isn't any immediate need for it.
No one has any 100t payloads. Sure there are concepts and proposals, but there are none that are either ready right now or in-development. So, for a government organization, why develop a rocket with capabilities that are not needed? As for the rest of the "specs" you have listed, those can be done on smaller rockets and are currently being investigated right now.

>The technology wasn't as good in the past.
There was no CFD, there was no advanced material science, etc. When the Shuttle came out it had severe limitations on it due to the technology at the time, the most infamous of which are the fragile heat tiles. Those were the best they could make at the time, but better have been made and proven to work.

There's also a third reason, politics. American spaceflight has always been hampered by the ever changing political winds and has resulted in stagnation of American spaceflight.

>Clearly there are reasons for this and I strongly suspect they are quite simple: it's not possible to build a vehicle that fulfills all these promises at the same time.
Then list some actual technical reasons why this couldn't be done instead of speculating that it couldn't be done, and then preemptively reject any explanation that it could be done.

>>11255774
Even with an expendable SS it'll still be a game changer with reusable SH powdered by Raptor

>>11255613
>Do people actually believe they're going to be able to send a giant tin can to the Moon and Mars carrying a bunch of people within the next decade?
Yes.

>>11256006
based and optimismpilled

>>11256006
NASA's current space telescope project is now more than 12 years behind schedule and 2400% over budget. How do you expect an organization which delivers the results of it's efforts more than a decade late to deliver anything by the end of the decade. The earliest NASA could reasonably be expected to deliver a paper airplane of conventional construction would be 2032

>>11256016
Because NASA has bureaucracy and politics issues. SpaceX does not. Seriously, SLS is a nightmare of project management. SpaceX has shown to be abit more competent, such as delivering Falcon Heavy with much less money spent than what NASA has predicted.

>>11256016
NASA won't land people on Mars, SpaceX will

>>11256016
SpaceX will, not NASA. Musk literally wants to retire out on a mars colony and die there(just not on landing).

>>11256006
Based yesposter

>>11256016
that's because James Web wasn't even a completed design before they started building it
you can't just write down "we'll invent this bit later" when you're planning a telescope

>>11256098
>that's because James Web wasn't even a completed design before they started building it
Got a source on that?

>>11256057
SpaceX can’t land on Mars legally. They can only provide ships to NASA

The only feasible way technologically viable currently to send people to mars without riding on top of a flaming pile of about 750,000 gallons of fuel is the skyhook, and the skyhook is a retarded idea if that tells you anything.

>>11256127
>the fuel isn't going to be flaming if it's inert

>>11256120
>SpaceX can’t land on Mars legally.
Source?

>>11256098
Also, what’s happened to JWST is pretty much the norm for flagship space telescopes:

> Congress eventually approved funding of US$36 million for 1978, and the design of the LST began in earnest, aiming for a launch date of 1983.
> Launch date: April 24, 1990

And Hubble wasn’t even based on a unique design like JWST is...

>>11256098
>this failure is excusable because
what about all the other ones? how come the first space telecope has a fucked up mirror? how come the shuttle program was a failure? they were promising regular liftoffs when it getting going, it was gonna be flying every week or two.
why has the last half century of NASA efforts been nothing but expensive disappointments? what value have they created to justify the gigabux they've consumed?

>>11256130
While a solid rocket design, fission-fragment rockets aren't all that groundbreaking. If I remember correctly the first experiments with it dated back in the late 60's. Way too much redtape for it to ever be used, though. If we ever unlock the secrets behind energy positive fusion however I think the endless potential that alone will provide could revolutionize not just space travel but society as we know it.

>>11256133
There is no source because it's wrong. There is no legal precedent established when it comes to landing on mars.

>>11256144
>what about all the other ones?
Failure happens.

>how come the first space telecope has a fucked up mirror?
Because there was a miscommunication between NASA and the company who was making the mirror.

how come the shuttle program was a failure?
Lots of reasons, but it comes down to two main ones. One, a development that was compromised by politics and low funding. Two, unwillingness to iterate on the design. One of these issues would be bad, but manageable. Both was damning.

>why has the last half century of NASA efforts been nothing but expensive disappointments?
Because NASA has always been closely tied to political winds, which has resulted in mismanagement after Apollo.

SpaceX doesn't have any of these issues. They produce most of their hardware in-house so miscommunications are minimized. Their development programs are both frugal in spending and well funded. They have shown to iterate designs even as they're in mid-production. Lastly, they're not tied to the whims of a government that changes it's mind every 4 to 8 years.

GTFO with your negative defeatist attitude.

>>11256134
This is why NASA's management staff needs to be pruned.

>>11256120
there are no laws in space

>>11256016
>NASA
Very first part of your sentence answers your own question.

>>11256144
oh no, it's not excusable
we're just trying to identify how it could easily be spotted that it was all fucked long before the first mirror was ground

>>11256173
Lol

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

>>11256179
>outer space treaty
>every time plebs talk about space force they immediately invoke it
>think it means space militaries, weapons, and all other kinds of shit are banned
i hate this treaty so much

>>11256179
Theres no way to enforce that once you're in space.

>>11256179
Come up here and enforce it yuropeon.

>>11256190
If you really think about it, the treaty is just a promise to not use space selfishly. Theres no provision in it to punish a member for breaking it or leaving it.

>>11256190
These are the same morons who think guns have never been taken into space and fired to test their effectiveness/defend stations.

>>11256173
Wrong. Space is not treated any differently than international waters legally.

>>11256193
You’ll have to return eventually, and your assets exist on earth where they can be seized, so yes there is. By the time this isn’t the case, there will be space police.

>>11256221
Honestly 23mm is way excessive for a space gun, refire rate and volume of fire along with volume of ammunition per cargo load to orbit is more important. If it's possible to use telescope cased rounds that would be a great boon, probably don't need them to be more than 15mm HEFrag, the rounds also don't need to be spitzer types because aerodynamic forces are virtually irrelevant so they can be made more compact. The barrel can also probably be smooth bore since you also don't need aerodynamic spin stabilization.

>>11256243
I think they used it more so because the soviets were cheap cunts and just used what they had on hand and in production that they could use in a vacuum environment with minimal issues.

>>11256227
>You’ll have to return eventually
Not for assets that stay in space such as comsats, spysats, or colonists.

>and your assets exist on earth where they can be seized
>What's China? Or any nation that has enough power to hold back others?

>By the time this isn’t the case, there will be space police.
There absolutely needs to be a space police because as long as there's no way to enforce laws in space, space is in anarchy.

>>11256227
>attention illegal Chinese satellite this is the American space police, you are required to change your orbit pursuant to American space code 8367e8328
>FUK U WHITU PIGGU WE SHOOT MISSILE AT POLICE SATELLITE IF YOU TRY

>>11256267
China would comply, because China knows they would be stomped by the US in a war.

>>11256257
>Not for assets that stay in space such as comsats, spysats,

Shoot them down.

> or colonists.

Colonists can be arrested by the Moon Police

>What's China? Or any nation that has enough power to hold back others?

No nation has the power to hold back ‘Murica.

>>11256292
Ah yes I note their existing compliance in international waters over their fuck loads of illegal activity lmao

>>11256297
>Shoot them down.
And create a debris cloud that can mess up other satellites? I mean, we had a whole freak out over India doing so as a "controlled" test.

>Colonists can be arrested by the Moon Police
Which we don't have right now.

>No nation has the power to hold back ‘Murica.
They can if they have nukes, but without nukes a nation doesn't need to be able to hold back the US forever. They just need to make the conflict nasty and bloody enough to discourage the US from investing in a long invasion campaign. It has worked in the past.

>>11255592
One of the amazon reviews mentioned using the problem set in it to practice python scripting which sounds like a fun idea, but reading it cover to cover would be a mission.

>>11256297
>No nation has the power to hold back ‘Murica

A list of wars America has fought by itself and won in the last 100 years

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>>11256322
Since humans crawled from the ooze wars were not fought without allies.

>>11256331
Quest for Fire is a fantastic movie, yes

I am the most scientific person ever

>>11256331
Jumping in the middle of a fight when the other guy is already on the ground bleeding does not make you a tough guy.

>>11256333
Never heard of it.
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check it out.

>>11256338
True, but it makes you a smart man and better an alive man.

I have a slight feeling that most of the people posting are drunk

>>11256386
I wish. Could go for some rocket-grade ethanol right now.

>>11256389
what proof was the German's rocket fuel? 160?

>>11256386
Might try LSD one of these days. Drinking isn't fun when your friends aren't doing it with you.

>>11256391
I believe it was 75% ethanol and 25% water, at least before they started poisoning it to discourage drinkers. I could be wrong though.

>>11255690
That whole thread is golden
>>11255521
When is the launch time?

>>11256217
Holy shit I was looking for that rocket, i remember watching a concept animation of it as a little zoomerling.
https://youtu.be/Kx7af-ASHC0
Now to find the animation that had "let it rock" playing.

>>11255723
>Send smaller lander, build pad
>Don't eat perchlorates
>Underground habitats

There you go problems solved.

>>11256423
I FUCKING FOUND IT YEEEES
https://youtu.be/4qAjxWV7Xdo
CHILDHOOD HERE I COME

>>11256406
150 proof, yeah

>>11255592
>>11256312
I am intrigued

What's this all about?

>>11255613
We went from inventing rockets to landing on the moon pretty damn fast, anon. And at the start of the 60's, we were still figuring out rocket science and then look what happened.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31445/recently-retired-usaf-general-makes-eyebrow-raising-claims-about-advanced-space-technology
He means E2E SS right

>>11256453
It would fit the description.

Should we do the Fundamentals of Astrodynamics group here in /sfg/ or at discord?

>>11256470
sure

>>11256453
Yes obviously, /x/ fucking exploded over it though lmao.

>>11256483
/x/ explodes over anything the government does. The USAF could put in an order for new toilets for their facilities and /x/ would speculate on what kind of aliens/otherkin/succubi the government have locked up based on what kind of toilets were ordered.

>>11256438
its about learning the math behind how spacecraft move in space

>>11256453
yeah, idk why the drive would put out a shitty article like that. they're usually based.

Don't mind me. Just dropping this beauty here.

>>11256453
This is really exciting, for a bunch of different reasons. There's E2E, but also the military applications of such (straight up orbital marines baby), and then there's this:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a29427713/navy-compact-fusion-reactor/

>>11256538
Obviously. If I'm a mathlet, should I read something else first?

>>11255669
> disastrous space shuttle
You do know the STS flew 135 times and only failed twice, right?

>>11256591
>Obviously. If I'm a mathlet, should I read something else first?
I only read part of the first chapter, but the math covered was a mix of vectors with one differential equation. So I'm not sure what level of math is required, but probably nothing beyond multivariable calculus, differential equations, and linear algebra. Maybe you don't even need any of those either, just an understanding of physics 1 vectors, so if you want to read something beforehand, I recommend an easy to understand physics 1 book.

>>11256591
You are retarded if you think that fusion reactor is real.

>Orbital marines baby

Oh yes you are retarded

>>11256596
DESU to him, the Shuttle completely failed it's goals of lowering the cost of space access and pretty much locked NASA's manned programs to LEO.

>>11256606
I'm still salty about NASA blocking Spacehab from allowing commercial/private astronauts to fly on the Shuttle.

>>11256599
Damn, I probably wouldn't be able to understand this book then. Maybe in the future.

>>11256601
>You are retarded if you think that fusion reactor is real.
Idk, multiple sources reported it
>Oh yes you are retarded
The same technology that can enable E2E can enable orbital marines that can drop anywhere on Earth.

>>11256606
So is a spaceplane at all viable?

>>11256615
>So is a spaceplane at all viable?
Depends. They're great for easy reentries and having generally a better landing profile than propulsive landing. But they carry lots of dry mass that could severely hurt performance. It's hard to judge how well a spaceplane can do since the Shuttle is the only well used one, and that's like judging if cars are good based on the Reliant Robin.

>>11256623
Is it possible we could develop a spaceplane that can take off entirely on its own, and then leave Earth's orbit entirely? Possibly even allowing for interplanetary or even interstellar speeds?

>>11256423
>>11256426
While we're on shitty old animated videos, anyone remember a version of the LCROSS video but it was redubbed into a rap?
https://youtu.be/3mJahYEWxQE
There were also clips of that Indian moon mission and how it found water. I've been searching for it for like a decade and I can't find it.

>>11256628
>Is it possible we could develop a spaceplane that can take off entirely on its own, and then leave Earth's orbit entirely?
You mean in a single stage? In theory? Yes. In practice? It's very hard. The closest there was is the X-33, but there are doubts that it could work.

The big issue is propulsion. The best chemical propulsion we have (hydrogen+oxygen) is barely enough to get the job done, but that means that even if one part of the spaceplane is out of spec then it won't get to orbit. This can be remedied by other propulsion such as atomic or fusion, but those aren't developed much.

>Possibly even allowing for interplanetary [speeds]
Yeah. Orbital refueling might be needed though.

>or even interstellar speeds?
By that you mean, a speed that isn't going to take thousands of years to get to Alpha Centauri? Then, no unless it was ridiculously overspeced to do so. And by that point, it might just be easier and better to use a separate craft for that.

>>11256615
>Idk, multiple sources reported it

Oh wow yeah msm looking for clicks, imagine my shock. Here's a tip for you, patents don't actually have to work, there are a million and one patents out there for miracle machines that don't actually work. Big companies do this all the time, see an idea that could maybe, possibly have some application so they patent it real fast in case someone wants to try use it for that or any other application and they can claim royalties.

>The same technology that can enable E2E can enable orbital marines that can drop anywhere on Earth.

Sure, dropping a bunch of troops onto a prepared pad where you already have a large military presence, wow. Maybe useful for expedition shipping some desperately needed parts or equipment but that's it. Dropping a rocket into a hot combat zone, assuming it can land on unprepared ground in 1g, is such a laughably bad idea.

>>11256633
>The big issue is propulsion. The best chemical propulsion we have (hydrogen+oxygen) is barely enough to get the job done, but that means that even if one part of the spaceplane is out of spec then it won't get to orbit. This can be remedied by other propulsion such as atomic or fusion, but those aren't developed much.
Interesting, interesting. So really, fusion solves a shit ton of problems regarding space flight then.

>By that you mean, a speed that isn't going to take thousands of years to get to Alpha Centauri? Then, no unless it was ridiculously overspeced to do so. And by that point, it might just be easier and better to use a separate craft for that.
I thought that might be the case. There are going to be a SHIT ton of different specialized spacecraft for different purposes, aren't there?

>>11256644
>So really, fusion solves a shit ton of problems regarding space flight then.
It does, spaceflight needs alot of energy. Atomic can meet those needs pretty reliably but nuclear is the second most feared n-word.

>There are going to be a SHIT ton of different specialized spacecraft for different purposes, aren't there?
Yeah, but there are some crafts that can be merged if you're willing to take the performance hit like what SpaceX is trying to do with their Starship.

>>11256647
>It does, spaceflight needs alot of energy. Atomic can meet those needs pretty reliably but nuclear is the second most feared n-word.
Yeah that sucks but Congress just passed a bill for funding nuclear propulsion systems, so that's promising.

>Yeah, but there are some crafts that can be merged if you're willing to take the performance hit like what SpaceX is trying to do with their Starship.
Interesting. Like what?

>>11256651
Just for Starship, there are...
>upper stage
>interplanetary ship
>Mars lander
>Mars-to-Earth return vehicle
>Earth lander
There's also talks of using a landed Starship as a wet workshop space station or planetary base due to it's size.

>>11256653
>Just for Starship, there are...
Well, I knew all that already but I guess you make your case. I imagine if we're headed to other places, like Venus, you might need other types of specialized spacecraft though.

When will a starship reach orbit? will it happen in 2020?

>>11256676
My guess is 2021 at the earliest. There's still lots of work that needs to get done such as the reentry profile and Superheavy.

>>11256678
Mars is probably not till 2026-2028 right? 2024 sounds like insanity at this point. 2028 is still like 7 years earlier than nasa estimates

>>11256680
I'm not sure enough to guess, but I can see an unmanned test flight to Mars by 2024 if no major accidents don't happen between now and 2021.

>>11256615
Learn vectors from Paul's math notes online.
The Serway book is great for physics.

Long March 5 Livestream of the pad :
https://mobile.twitter.com/LaunchStuff/status/1210445083532824578

>>11256680
I could perhaps see an unmanned flyby by 2024, with the ship being basically a hollow shell with nothing but some camera equipment so it can take some snazzy video of the planet as it passes close.

I know a lot of people here shit on him,but Tim Dodd made a good video looking at abort systems and the philosophy behind having or not having them-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6lPMFgZU5Q

I really hope Ol' Musky doesn't incinerate a bunch of people due to a popped pressure vessel. Would be dope to die knowing that a martian city was starting to take shape. Let's hope they name a city after everyone's fav comb-over aficionado Robert Zubrin.

>>11256690
That's a livestream that I would watch.

>>11256676
I think its very likely we will see some kind of high altitude test of starship in 2020, how high it goes though idk. I also think its pretty much 100% that the first prototype will RUD on re entry but will improve from there.

>>11256685
Dead peasants soon fellow changs.

>>11256698
They have a low social credit score, so they don't even count as "legally alive". All is good.

>>11256694
Go shill your shit on rebbit estronaut, no one here gives a fuck about astronauts. If more dead cunts it takes to get us to space sooner the better.

>>11256698
>>11256699
For real though they have this huge east coast, why not launch there?...

>>11256704
Probably because any useful launch azimuth passes too close to Japan.

I'm following fusion power research and starting to get a little excited at the potential application to rocketry. With the right Q factor and a reactor that isn't absurdly heavy you can make a viable SSTO with ease, a ship that could make a journey to mars in less than 2 weeks. But who fucking knows when that will be viable-probably we'll all be geriatrics or dead.

>>11256682
Elon's going to say 2022, and he might push for it but it'll be useless

>>11256714
how do you get enough thrust?

>>11256714
There is literally nothing to be excited about. The most promising positive q designs are still so absurdly heavy you can forget about anything spaceflight related. You can't ditch the giant lasers, you can't ditch the giant magnets, that's it. Maybe you could also actually learn what you are talking about before regurgitating pop sci trash on here too?

>>11256720
who pissed in your butthole anon?
why dont you quit being a dick and have an open mind instead of an open butthole?

>>11256726
Take your pop sci shit to reddit faggot. That has to be the millionth "omg but fusion guise" post we have had on this general, fuck off.

>>11256729
go take your open butthole to reddit faggot kys nigger

>>11256733
Seethe more redditor

>>11256720
Dude I literally said it wouldn't be viable until many years from now...are you retarded? do you think we won't learn how to build better magnets and electrical systems over the next 60 years?

>>11256741
fucking kek
kys retard

>>11256676
Soon as they can verify Mk3 is good and they have enough raptor via production rate maturation. Starship devs have taken a step back right now and are rethinking how to build the rocket. They've leased some fancy automated welding systems right now and will do more automation later on. Currently they're focused on getting some of their building structure up and running.

>50 fucking years more until some tard in a suit stabs a flag in a flat field on mars and turns back home a week later never to return
Clownverse.

>>11255580
I bet there aren‘t even generals here either.

>>11255521
CHINA NUMBER 1

>>11256227
>You’ll have to return eventually
>Elon wants to build a self-sufficient colony on Mars
thinking emoji

Pictured is the very glorious Long March 5 about to launch in a few hours
https://mobile.twitter.com/LaunchStuff/status/1210483468225982464

>>11256559
>90 engines

>>11256698
>>11256699
>>11256704
>>11256709

No dead peasants today boys. They are launching from the new Wenchang space center.

Just over two hours until GO time for the third fat five! (unless the rocket encounters issues, delaying the T-0)

Long March 5 Livestream with commentary! If you understand Chinese.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vll35BS1qVk
Pro tip : checkout newpipe for android

>>11256907
Not far from Hong Kong, if you know what I mean ;)

>>11256928
Who cares about Hong Kong? Protesters are literal terrorists

>>11256714
>With the right Q factor and a reactor that isn't absurdly heavy you can make a viable SSTO with ease
If you‘re following fusion research seriously, you would realize that we are closing in on decent Q, but something that isn‘t absurdly heavy is ridiculously out of reach.

>>11256933
>t. Wumao

>>11255580
>>11256841
Kek. Always gets me

>>11256916
Is there a map of it's flight path? I really don't want that going over my fucking head.

>>11256996
This thing looks like some weird fusion between Ariane and Energia.

>>11257020
It kinda is, using a hydrolox core-stage and staged-combustion kerolox boosters.

>>11256720
All of that heavy shit will be manufactured in space.

>>11257007

>people assblasted because Chris G bought a Tesla
wew

The Sea Dragon in 1983

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1VveDhtH7pk

https://spacenews.com/successful-long-march-5-launch-opens-way-for-chinas-major-space-plans/

Are the chinese going to increase their budget now that they have a functional heavy rocket?

go long march!

>>11257155
No, the importance of this success is more about providing the ability to launch existing payloads like the Mars and Lunar sample-return landers, space station modules, next-generation capsule prototype etc. These payloads already exist and were waiting for the LM-5 to become operational.

>>11257165
Ladies really love the “Fat 5”

>>11256453
I've read rumors of another, currently existent suborbital E2E craft in the DOD's quiver that's not SS but is much smaller, able to be transported inside a C-5, and was possibly related to or descended from the Air-Launched Sortie Vehicle concept from the late 70s. If it indeed exists, it was almost certainly built in either the late 80s or the early 90s. I'd guess that it's operational profile is probably very similar to the USMC SUSTAIN concept from the 2000s.

GRORIOUS CHINA STRONK RURE SPACE CHINA CENTURY

>>11257274
Nothing personal, Western piggus!

>>11257297
what does this mean?

>>11257305
number of launches and number of failures (red X's)

no idea what the order is supposed to be

but yes china had the most launches, however they launched less mass than usa or russia. electron and falcon heavy both count the same

Is it true that SpaceX is killing astronomy and thus we should shutdown SpaceX and let the real professional space industry take over?

>>11257359
no, it's not true
Starlink is going to make things very annoying for a specific subset of optical astronomers, but Starship Super Heavy should enable them to just put their telescopes in space instead
it will, of course, take them twenty years after this capability is available to make use of it, but that's their fault

>>11257313
>china had the most launches, however they launched less mass than usa or russia

They launched less mass than the US, but they definitely launched more mass than Russia. LM-5 closes the payload mass gap between the US and China, e.g. it has the same payload to GTO as the D4H.

>>11257359
>Is it true that SpaceX is killing astronomy?
It's not true, that is from an overreaction.

>>11257165
uuhh bros im gonna break my no fap record

>>11256996
Long march is long

>>11257359
Those are the undeniable scientific facts.

>>11257359
No because SpaceX plans to create similar network of satellite telescopes very soon.

>>11257394
An attempt was made.

F for Rokot, a neat launcher with a commendable launch history.

>>11257165
I would have expected this from the Russian never the Chinese

>>11257399
no they don't
their super heavy class launch vehicle will enable that, but it's up to everybody else to make it happen

>>11257386
>but they definitely launched more mass than Russia
No. You can calculate it yourself
http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/log2019.html
Just add LM5 to that

>>11256895
>3 times the failure chance

>>11257432
Russians plan to replace it with Rokot-2, what is the same thing but without ukrainian hardware.

>>11257631
With all the problems Russia has with Ukrainian hardware, one could suspect that the Ukrainians were holding up the entire Soviet space program.

>>11257394
That would work better if you posted it as multiple images.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1210649166407438336

>>11257860
So THAT'S what they're doing in that shed
looks like a comfy as hell worksite

>>11257865
>>11257860
>ywn visit the Musky Shed

LM5 plushie

>>11257944
Looks cute desu.

What are some well researched and thorough publications about
-the metallic composition of near Earth asteroids?
-types of metal rich ores in moon craters left from impacts ?

>>11257860
That dome looks a hell of a lot better than the last lot.

>>11258176
It looks exactly the same...

>>11258180
No it doesn't, the last one had trash tier welds with sloppy as fuck grinder marks that look like they were done by a two year old, this one has super neat and tidy welding work.

Fucking yes
those new parts look sexy as fuck.

>>11258199
I think you should probably get your head checked if your sexually attracted to shiny metal rings...

>>11258206
>be in /sfg/
>not get turned on by spaceflight hardware
Why are you even here?

>>11257860
Resident welder here

>tfw will never weld rocketships in the musk tent because fucking ITAR

If you are reading this Elon-sama pls sponsor me for citizenship, will work for tendies and a bed.

>>11258213
What you’ve posted is spaceflight hardware, those rings on the other hand...

>>11258222
tight is right

>>11258222
they are obviously just parts for a watertower. real rockets need need at least 10 factories in 5, no better in 8 different states.

When will Musk's scam fall apart?

>>11258237
After musk had retired in a Mars colony with a million people to form an independent Mars government and has armed itself with 10000 nukes to deter Earth from taking hostile measures.

Are you guys fucking ready for Starlink to be 30% of all operational satellites by the end of 2020?

>>11258245
Two launches a month is going to be crazy if they really do it.

>>11255613
Imagine you see a 5 year old boy, he stumbles as he falls.
>ha, he can hardly walk 5 meters, do you want to make me believe he will be able to run races in the next decade?

>>11255674
ban on your mom to prevent kerbal syndrome

>>11257165
i get so horny at the idea of going to china and being an alpha chad desired by all the cute chinks who are so much programmed to be slaves that the mere idae of something even barely exotic will send them into full compliance mode, i could impregnate 200 of them with no consequence.

>>11258245
Will everyone connect to Starlink directly from the terminal they give you or will they still have to lay fiber in some parts. Also what happens to your signal during extreme weather

>>11258286
- not sure I understand the question. Your terminal will act as a pipe for internet to come out.
- might be shaky. There's something called 'rain fade'. It's generally not a problem most of the time

>>11258237
What scam? Is funding one of the most dominant launch providers in the world a scam?

>>11255580
I worked with Surrey Satellite Technology a while back, and have a degree in Remote Sensing.

>>11257165
>bunk beds
Are they in prison? Or just a regular chinese boarding school?

>>11257359
>let the real professional space industry take over?
Yeah no launches sure helps to keep orbit clean of debris

>>11258312
I think most colleges/universities have bunk beds. It's cheaper to replace beds with bunk beds than to build more dorms.

>>11258312
Haha normal Chinese high school or college dorm

>January 11, 2020
>An atmospheric test of the Dragon 2 abort system at Max Q. The spacecraft will deploy parachutes and splashdown in the ocean. The test was planned to be performed on the SpX-DM1 capsule before it exploded during a SuperDraco engine test on April 20, 2019. The abort test will now use the capsule originally intended for the first crewed flight.
>February 2020 Dragon 2 will carry its first crew, NASA astronauts Douglas Hurley and Bob Behnken, on a 14-day test mission to the ISS. This flight will use a new booster.
Can they turn the Dragon round in a month? Would have thought it would take longer since knowing NASA they will probably demand a bunch of after tests...

>>11258340
>Can they turn the Dragon round in a month?
I have my doubts. Seems like just a short due date to encourage employees to work harder that's typical of SpaceX.

>>11258340
they will be using a new capsule to launch the astronauts.

>>11258340
>that cupola pic
I wish we had another one on the ISS, but one that gave views of the Moon instead of the Earth.

>>11258340
NASA doesn't allow SpaceX to reuse Crew Dragons, so the only turnaround time that matters is pad prep. And the capsule for IFA was originally the DM-1's, and once that exploded they had moved up the order. IFA would use DM-2's capsule, DM-2 would use USCV-1, and so on.

>>11258351
Ah, my bad I was still under the impression they were going to use SN 205 for both abort and demo 2 but they have built a new one for demo 2 now.

Strange that they have a test module (204) listed for their may launch though. I'm guessing it's capable and cheap enough to use for a commercial launch.

why is fairing reusability so hard? can't they just strap some hinges and pistons onto it and open it like a mouth when they deploy the second stage, then close it back up and return it with the first stage?

The Starliner fiasco makes me glad that we have Soyuz as a backup. Would be better if we had Dreamchaser tho.

>>11258357

>>11258361
Probably because when the first (expendable) Falcon 9 was designed that wasn't considered.

>>11258340
Firstly, their not using the same capsule and secondly, February will definitely slip even if everything goes perfectly, because SpaceX and NASA have to go through the abort data and then do a bunch of post-launch reviews to get permission to launch. Furthermore, Crew Dragon isn’t at the Cape currently and it takes a full month to prep and fully integrate CD onto the stack.

>>11258286
End users will connect directly through the pizza box with no wires yeah, they will still have to lay a bunch of fibre though because it seems they have nixed the laser interlinks in favour of ground stations, not a fan of that but maybe the interlinks were simply too difficult. As far as weather goes, it depends, they are using phased array antennas which are vastly superior to the point and shoot dish style receivers which are generally pretty good. Generally it's got to do with the thickness of the clouds, it could be pissing down with rain but you still have perfect signal because its a very thin cloud layer or it could be overcast and you take some signal loss because they are thicc clouds. The signal loss thing is imo pretty minor given that most uses cases (planes, boats, off grid and super rural areas) already use satellite Internet and the prices are obscene.

>>11258361
Gotta keep those weight costs down m8. but to answer your comment on making the fairing a hinged opening, yes this can be done.

Pic related.

>>11258245
>Are you guys fucking ready for Starlink to be 30% of all operational satellites by the end of 2020?
It should be closer to 40% of all sats if they get the 20+ launches they hope for.

>>11258378
>say "AAAAAH"

>>11257297
>iranian spaceflight
>2 launches, both were failures
We need Iran to get their heads out of their asses. Space Force needs enemies to fight against.

>>11258378
>the power of the fifth reich, in the palm of my fairing
jesus elon

>>11258390
What?

>>11258378
>Britain's face when you start asking why they are using a hinged opening for a rocket and built a satellite tracking station at Fylingdales at the same time

>>11258361
but the fairings are in the second stage you retard

>>11258415
I though it was just 2 stages? first stage has the second stage on top and surrounded in the fairing. when it's ready it pops open the fairing and the second stage goes

>>11258419
That's just the Atlas and Delta. Falcon 9 has the faring on top of the second stage.

>>11258419
The payload sits on top of the second stage. The fairing surrounds the payload. The fairing is disposed of when it becomes aerodynamically unnecessary, to reduce the mass the second stage has to lift, thereby increasing performance.

SN1 starship flight 2/3 months away. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1210756057791729665

>>11258458
Ok Elon you have fun with that, I preferred when it was called Mk3, now their just using engine serial numbers for Starships as well, I wonder if he’s gonna start referring to his employees in the same manner...

>>11258465
It’s like you don’t remember Falcon 9 full thrust V1.2 Block 5 version 7

>>11258340
no, they're using a new capsule for both tests

>>11258466
I do and it was much cooler than basic serial numbers

>>11258472
Routine space travel is here the moment we stop having a patch for each launch imo

>>11258477
If spaceflight was becoming routine we’d have named ships doing many flights and not disposable serial numbers like has been the case for the last 60 years.

>>11258472
Starship Mk4 V2.3 Iteration 7 Block 2 Version 4.231 Beta Post-Reset Model 2025 Total Recall Version

Starship of thesius

>>11258482
>Starship uses canoptek scarabs for assembly and repair
Fund it

dunno lads the issues with a starship blasting a hole in its landing surface on mars or ejecting material into lunar orbit seem like hard problems. How will they be solved? That and Martian perchlorates

>>11258492
Landing may need a 'landing gimbal' where the engines arent hitting the site straight on.
Perchlorates just need to be chemically removed and stockpiled for future use, it's not much of an issue

>>11258492
>starship blasting a hole in its landing surface on mars
My guess is that it doesn't matter because in the first landings there would be nothing there to worry about.

>or ejecting material into lunar orbit
That would have to be something tested on-site to see how bad the issue would be. But a solution is to just tough it out at first until a solid landing pad is made.

>That and Martian perchlorates
Really good filters.

>>11258492
>dust in lunar orbit
Swing big dick and don't care.

>>11258519
correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t even a single sand of lunar soil slamming into starship be a big ouchy?

>>11258535
How? A single dust particle would have to be traveling about about 56 thousand kilometers-per-second to reach the kinetic energy of a 5.56 round. Sure, can be nasty, but isn't damning.

>>11258544
Wonder if those clouds of needles in orbit have ever hit a junk satellite or something

>>11257944
cute and chubby

>>11258492
>hard problem
No such thing. All it takes is some good engineers to solve any problem.

>>11258579
but but space is hard

>>11258580
Only if you're an underachiever who really only wants to farm taxpayer money for yourself.

>>11258477
soon it'll be a patch for each series of launches if orbital refueling kicks off

Bulkhead is “done by dawn” per Musk

>>11258593
I hope he gets enough sleep

>>11258601
>implying that Elon isn't a reptilian who went rouge and used the powers of the reptilian deep state to try to start his own space empire and thus has no need for a human function like "sleep"

>>11258613
Is he in league with the Bogs or opposed to them?

the boys are putting up insulation in their new tent.

Do you guys think it's for climate control quality control, or simply for A/C comfort?

>>11258622
If the Bogs are Seele, against

>>11258492
What's the problem with perchlorates? You aren't eating the regolith or trying to grow anything in it, any habitats will be below ground or cleared back to a solid surface and built on top of. Seems like a shit meme problem to spread FUD.

>>11258630
I think it's for thermal expansion management. The circumference of the rings varies by 14mm for every 10 degrees Celsius difference in manufacturing temperature.

>>11258635
Hello Elon

>>11258640
It's simple math dummy
>>11258635
yeah that's what I was thinking

>>11258635
if you're joining parts at the same temperature in a tent...

that means you're forced to use horizontal assembly

>>11258630
thermal quality control

>>11258645
the big "windbreak" that they built is big enough for half of a Starship

>>11258635
What's today's froyo flavor?

>>11258650
Heck if I know, I don't work at SpaceX.

>>11258654
Post welding rig

>>11258630
>Do you guys think it's for climate control quality control, or simply for A/C comfort?
yes

>>11258654
Post Grimes

what can we expect from spaceflight in the next decade that might not already be obvious? we already know that we are getting megaconstellations, new space stations, starship, and probably people on the moon and mars, but what else are we getting?

>>11258662
Space war doctrine.

>>11258657
>if we fuck up this job and blame it on thermal control we can make him build us an A/C factory
flawless victory

>>11258666
if only. i feel like we arent getting that for 20-30 years at the earliest.

>>11258662
so the soviets were the first to have people die in space but soon we will have the first person killed in space

>>11258678
Do you believe geopolitical was today as it was in 1990/2000? That's a rhetorical question. We're not in the same geopolitical reality anymore in just 20/30 years. US has lost a lot and China has gained a lot. Russia grew back to somewhat challenging foe today. 20-30 years will only see an acceleration of these trends to the nTH degree imo. The changes will be driven by economic growth and military growth. The world will be much more multipolar, geopolitically.

Pics related, latest 2030/next 10 years GDP projection from world bank. 20-30 years will be completely different geopolitical reality.

>>11258666
Checked

>>11258359
It also means that DM-2 will use a capsule built for a full six-month mission, so they might do just that.

>>11255580
I've done lots of DXM so it's basically the same thing.

>>11258285
Based. Impregnation part is a bit cringe tho

>>11257297
Does New Zealand even count?

>>11258836
cringe? fucking beta you dont want to spread genes around?by impregnating lots of girls you are not only literally efectively genetically invading another country more effectively than an invading army but you are literally making the world more you.

ghegis khan impregnated so much that people will be noticeably related to him for so long his genes will probably make it quite noticeable to the point of the first inmortal human beings or when we artificially stop evolution. HE RAPED HIS WAY TO INMORTALITY

>>11258679
>so the soviets were the first to have people die in space but soon we will have the first person killed in space
no on was killed in antarctica and we had far more people go there

>>11258657
>>11258675
Kek

>>11258847
Don’t like race mixing. If you’re doing it to spread/grow white genes in the population just remove the sub-skins- never negotiate with terrorists

>>11258857
i dont give a damn about race mixing, all girls are beautiful, if you dont fuck a girl because of her race youre the cringey incel

>>11258790
Looking at the expedition roster, the next Soyuz crew is only expected to arrive in April 2020. Half of the current expedition 61 will leave soon-ish and then the rest in spring, which makes expedition 62 kinda short lived and undermanned for a while. Maybe they'll have DM2 to stay on until April or even until May when USCV-1 is supposed to join Expedition 63. There's two IDA docks...

Space general popping off today lads >FeelsGoodMan

Quick question- are you guys subscribed to any space-related newspapers or journals to keep up to date on what’s happening world-wide? As an ausfag I like Aviation weekly’s daily newspapers on aviation and defence

>>11258859
Wouldn't that be volcel?

>>11258859
I’m worse than that- I only date girls with blue eyes too because I want to pass that on. I’m not an incel though

>>11258709
>the poos gdp goes up by 17x and the chinks by 5x while the US only goes up by 1.5x
fucking kek
keep dreaming retard

>>11258864
Honestly this shitheap is one of the best places to keep updated on the latest news so long as you keep on top of threads and ignore the few spergs. Otherwise I would say NSF, even more autistic than here but populated by boomers, cool boomers for the most part though and mods are chill. Magazines and other publications are usually pretty useless.

>>11258864
I’m subscribed to a few different RSS feeds for space related news but I would say the best is SpaceNews.com for coverage on all of the important stuff. I am also curious what others follow.

>>11258867
youre missing out on all the black brown and green eyed cuties

>>11258869
the us basically owes 20 times its gdps in debt to china. If usa and china were to set their debts with each other straight then 80% of the american economy would belong to china.

This will either happen happen or you will prevent it by use of force, which means inmense garillions spent in an offensive war, china can defend itself with its current war budget.

Chinese products used to be extremely cheap and very bad quality.
Now they are getting to be extremely cheap but medium quality.
American products are expensive and shit.
Want good price/quality relation? buy chinese
Want expensive but very good? buy japanese or german.
Theres not even a niche for americans.

Americans are extremely retarded and resistant to all future tchs.

China has implemented mass society control to increase productivity
its workers perform grade a work for less than inhuman condition and dont whine
american workers live 200 times better than a chinese worker, produce 100 times less and with worse quality and then proceed to bitch about it all day.

Also, chinese have no stupid religious beliefs and will try groundbreaking techs without a doubt. In america most people dont know about the confirmed fact of evolution because jesus is more important, in chinese they are experimenting with genetically modifying humans lol they dont care.

so yeah, china will grow inmensely and the us will tanki hard. deal with it

>>11258892
>the us basically owes 20 times its gdps in debt to china
The US owes over 400 trillion dollars to China?
Cute post.

>>11258892

So how many villages did the LM5 boosters nuke this time? They aren't hypergolic I guess so at least no cancer cases, just regular pulped corpses.

>>11258883
Don’t care it’s not about what I like

>>11258896
unironically yes, thats why europeans are cucks of biggest more industrial less sjw empires.
you behave like liberals for everything.
when you have to protect your mothers and daughters from rape you go "mmm lets analyze first, is it moral? what would kant say? and then spend the whole afternoon debating and 1 hour making something useful.

Americnas say "hell naw, you aint messing with me and spend 23 hours of the day making machines taht make machines that make machines and more machines and more aericnads and 300 million super powerful ultra industrial beings againts, how many? 10 people in the european union?

i love how you have to suck our dick or you get owned by soviets/arabs/chinese. Its so delicious to know that we own you, i could impregante any of your girls at any time, you cant mine. its the simple truth of the darn cookie, ya get my driftarooni playa?

>>11258880
>>11258882
Thanks- I’ll check em out

>>11258898
>>11258907
have you talk to an actual geneticist? maybe your effort is in vain, not every trait works like "lol le hur le durrr 1/2 mom triats 1/2 dad traits a dash of sugar and hes done"
dont kill your children if they dont have blue eyes, or even if they have red hair or dark skin, talk to a geneticist first and test them, some genes are hard

>>11258908
Based delusional-yank fag

>>11258908
>>11258917
Blow it out your ass.

>>11258914
Retard. I only care that they have blue eyes (which would guarantee my kids have blue eyes) and that they are white. Anything else is minor or just preference (eg blonde hair too)

>>11258923
no , again. THATS NOT HOW GENES WORK

to have any kind of even vaguely certain prediction about how your kids will be like you have to at least know her parents and grandparents.
and you can even get cucked by genes that go back to grand-grand parents.

so are you SURE no one in her or your family fucked a nigger? because if ANYONE did your effort might be in vain.

So uh
any rockets launch lately?

>>11258927
I’m from Australia I don’t need to worry about nigger genes you cucked yank. The worst I have to worry about is Indian or chink genes- but those are prominent and not even ugly Australian women aren’t lowering themselves to chinks yet. I’m definitely right about blue eyes though.

We have shitted up this thread so bad

>>11258869
>>11258908
No. The only reason chinks/poos grow so fast is because they're starting off from bottom of the pile while the western states are fully developed.

Take a look at other countries like Indonesia/Nigeria/etc its the same shit.

>>11258931
Another MOMO launch in about twelve hours.

>>11258937
you need to worry about literally anything thats not blue eyes you retarded asshole. As a matter of fact, depending on how many of your grandparents fucked non blue eyes then you want a certain amount of non blue eyes fuckers in your wifes family.

>>11258937
the threwas was on rails, it got derailed and then the each separate derailed locomotive landed on a ship, that ship went traveled across the sea and loaded the trains onto space ships, tahts how close we are to the thread.

>>11258957
hope it works out for them this time

>>11258908
based schizo poster

>>11258965
Doesn’t matter when it comes to blue eyes- I don’t think you have a great understanding of genetics.

>>11258967
Kek

>>11258967
I see the drinks are getting in

>>11256820
>Starship devs have taken a step back right now and are rethinking how to build the rocket.
This "program" is a joke. That's the easiest fucking step.

>>11258850
>no on was killed in antarctica
do you even history bro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Falcon_Scott

>>11258864
If you use Discord, then Rocket Emporium is a good place for updates. Pretty sure the owner never sleeps, since he posts at all hours of the day.

>>11256895
All modern engines have 99.9 % reliability, and if they fail they do not explode and take out their surroundings. Except Chinese engines because they were sleeping for a long time and just recently started developing them.

The N1s problem was more related to the actual plumbing and material science of the pumps which wasnt "there" yet.

So 30, 60, 90 engines, whatever, 2 engines failing has no impct on final performance.

>>11258458
>SN1
>V1.0
>Mk3
Why can't he number his projects competently

>>11256453
>E2E SS
what's this?

>>11259361
Starship for earth based transport.

>>11259387
What's Musks fever dream of its launch costs again? 200k $?

Right now it looks like this:
Ship - bulk, slow, cheap
Rail - less bulk, faster, costs more
Plane - low quantity, fastest, costs the most

SS would be: Even less qantity, new fastest, new costliest.

Which goods that are fairly small and need a 2 hour transport time but are expensive enough to warrant a transport cost 10 x of what current air post costs can you name?

>>11259393
Cost is to bring down per kg to around couple dollars per kg and the effective cost being close to single digit million dollars per launch vehicle.

>market place for as e2e
Military transport. Business travel (if they manage to get a handle on safety and comfort margins). Cost per ride per person would be in few thousands of dollar. Airforce and army uses expensive ships/aircrafts to transport goods thousands of miles which take quite a hit of time AND cost quite a lot. If musk delivery service reduces cost close to their goal, that will be a game changer in providing a much needed logistics capabilities for our military.

>>11259387
>taking off and landing from sea
why do I suspect Musk doesn't give a shit about SpaceX being US centric? He could just move his shit elsewhere and it still would work

>>11259420
No. It just increases American presence in American friendly countries. Thus it will be a tool to promote American values and idea.

>>11259421
>private company started by a south african
>American values
I don't think he cares desu. obviously he'll suck american dick while the US govt finances his shit but will stop once he starts making money

>>11259421
>Sucks the CCPs dick to open a Tesla factory in Shanghai
>Murrican values

Money dear boy.

>>11259424
Tesla is a car company and not a rocket company. But even so Tesla is promoting American brand, American dream and American innovation to China.

Ironically tons of American hate the only real American car company.

>>11259432
Don't fool yourself. He'd do the same with SpaceX if he could.

But there's so much regulation and laws regarding rockets that SpaceX is essentially a part of the DoD, a state owned corporation if you will. He simply can not whore it out for $$$.

>>11259424
>“China is the future”-Elon Musk
>Tesla has announced that it has secured $1.29 billion (9 billion yuan) from Chinese banks to assist with construction and production at its Shanghai factory.

>>11259437
So what you're essentially saying is "if there were no rules, Musk wouldn't obey rules." You realize how stupid your proposition is right? Its a dumb criticism when the hypotheticals stay hypotheticals and apply to everyone else in the world.

>>11259437
he could buy an island or something and take his shit there...
obviously he'd have to hire an army or something to counter the threats from the US govt but still...

>>11258949
>Nigeria
Always gets me

>>11259355
Hopefully using lots of engines can be done easily soon. Only being able to use a couple of engines in the first stage seems like the largest limiter to really big rockets.

>>11258949
Lets do a little math problem.
India's growth rate is around 6.6% and their 2017 GDP was around $2.6 trillion.
What would their growth rate need to be to hit $46.3 trillion GDP in 10 years?

>>11259503
The initial economic projection chart is in PPP, the strength of a domestic economy with relative to inflation and standards of living. In the case of India, their 2019 GDP (ppp) is ~$11.3 trillion economy. Also if you're interested in math, here's one from world's best mathematicians.

>http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/814101517840592525/pdf/India-development-update-Indias-growth-story.pdf

new Boca Chica flyover

link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvUbh5mtk9A

that's it for the interesting screenshots I took. Sure is a lot of activity going on

>>11259590
MOOOAAARRR

When are SpaceX due to start sending stuff up to Mars?

Surely if there's only a few years left till Musk's original deadline they should be getting on it by now

>>11259568
do you think they have enough steel

>>11259659
They plan to fly in spring coming year. Once Dragon docks crew to ISS, SpaceX will shift resources to Starship

>>11259660
no

>man on the moon in the 60s
>half a century passes
>still no man on Mars

Is it that much harder or what

>>11259675
we need a techno-monarchy. Democracy has clearly failed

How heavily are SpaceX investing in drones?

I would have thought that Musk's dream of cities on Mars would be far more easily built by drones than humans

Imagine the first humans arriving to a town that had already been built in advance, with a fully functioning spaceport and fuel plant

>>11259675
Its not that much harder, but the problem is that no one who can fund an Apollo-like program is willing to do so.

>>11259675
As soon as Armstrongs foot met regolith Americans went "REEE MUH TAXES"

You could have been on Pluto by now if you taxed and spent like Europeans.

>>11259682
human hands are the most advanced precision instruments in the world.
>One of the authors, Mark Rutland, Professor of Surface Chemistry, says that the human finger can discriminate between surfaces patterned with ridges as small as 13 nanometres in amplitude and non-patterned surfaces.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130916110853.htm

>>11259695
True, but rather than waiting however long for manned missions, we could send robots up to construct habitats and spaceports right now, then have them ready for humans when we get that done

Seems logical rather than having people doing manual labour after waiting like a decade to get them up there

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>>11259437
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU JUST CANT OPEN A FACTORY TO SELL CHINESE BUILT CARS TO CHINESE PEOPLE IN THE WORLDS BIGGEST EV MARKET. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THEM IN EXPENSIVE CALIFORNIA AND PAY THE 25% IMPORT TAX THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT INSTEAD
>>11259438
The loan has the best rates their government offers and it would have been stupid for them not to take it as they can then put their cash reserve towards other products and the German factory. It's basically free money for five years.

>>11259686
The problem isn't taxes themselves you dumb shit. The problem is that the government is too busy paying to suck Israel off and feeding niggers instead of actually using the money for the country itself.

>>11259686
The opposite, Euro-Peons and their socialist shitholes have produced some of the most lackluster space programs on Earth, the US which is only marginally less socialized is the ONLY country in history to land a human being on another celestial body.

>>11259682
Humans are underrated

>>11259701
It would if the robots were smart enough to do all that shit on their own. As it is by the time we build an AI smart enough AND power/space efficient enough to run such an operation, we'll probably be ready to send humans directly there anyways. What I definitely would do is send a lot of materiel in automated landing carriages down ahead of humans, four or five ships all sent at once which drop hundred ton payloads made up of a few habitats or huge containers of non-parishable food, clean water, supplies, etc to land ahead of the human colonists. You could easily come up with a moderately well shielded expando-hab with all of the life support necessities built into it that would tip itself over and expand to full size, ready to use, before people arrive. That and the landed colonist ships themselves would be used as safe habitats until the rest is assembled. You could also bring along robots that humans could operate from the safety of the ships and initial habs to assemble heavy structures that would take longer for people to finish.

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>>11259422
>https://www.pbs.org/thinktank/transcript1292.html
Musky loves America.

>>11259760
Kek good one. Before Europoors Americans thought rockets should have engines at the top and not bottom.

>>11259891
>Before Europoors Americans thought rockets should have engines at the top and not bottom.
False. Robert Goddard figured that out on his own. He made a mistake at first, but it is expected since he was among the first pioneers of modern rocketry.

If you want to show off European spaceflight accomplishments, then mention their developments into regenerative cooling, or early closed cycle engines, or dominance of the GSO market. Don't make up facts, it just makes you look stupid.

>>11259899
pic related, a later development of his

>>11259891
And yet our ships and people reached another celestial body and yours can barely even get to the same place at a fraction of the mass budget without crashing into the surface. Why is that do you think?

>>11259912
Because you guys can't into conversions from football fields and liberty statues into realistic units before fuelling it up

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