/sci/ - Science & Math

Because its enjoyable

>>11257299
just vape instead.

>>11257298
Because it makes money and because it's up to you whether you fuck your health or not.

>>11257319
>it's up to you whether you fuck your health or not.
that would make sense if health care wasn't at all subsided or paid for completely (depending on country) through other people's tax dollars. perhaps big tobacco should be footed the bill and we'll see how much money they'd make then.

>>11257319
This. If ms-13 gets you hooked on fentanyl and grooms your sister into a life of prostitution and uses the profits to get away with it, then that's your choice and ws need to respect that.

>>11257298
You know idk, we made seatbelts mandatory, carseats mandatory for like 8 years while codes change every 3, drinking a beer at work lunch a fireable offense, England made kitchen knives illegal.

Honestly I'm just waiting for the day we have to wear elbow pads and a helmet when we go out.
Ha, wouldn't it be convenient if we could install little printers on your car dash and the state can print you a ticket if your car camera or accelerometer catches you doing anything naughty.

Good call OP. Let's just intervene in everyone's lives. They'll thank us when they safely arrive to the grave.

>>11257338
desu i'd be fine with smoking if it was just a matter of personal health and didn't impact innocent bystanders. but second hand smoke is a thing, healthcare is either subsidized in part or paid completely through taxes, and the environmental impact of both manufacturing and smoking releasing co2.

>>11257353
>second hand smoke
this is a meme and you know it

>>11257362
except it's not. smoke disperses and effects everyone around them. those carcinogens don't just magically disappear after being inhaled. some are absorbed by the smokers but the rest go with the smoke and inhaled by those around them.

>>11257298
population control, people have to die to keep balance

>>11257298
Capitalism hurts far more people than smoking does and it isn't banned.

>>11257366
> rest go with the smoke and inhaled by those around them
>every molecule exhaled goes into someone else's lungs
The only time second hand smoke is a legit problem is in enclosed spaces such as cars and buildings and, more importantly, over extended periods of time. Unless you are giving them mouth to mouth as they are smoking, you are taking negligible amounts of carcinogens and you take in just as many if not more when you burn your popcorn in the microwave and filled your shitty 1 bedroom apartment with all kinds of radical and ionized carbon derivatives.
I bet you are one of those retards that gets butthurt when they see someone smoking a cigarette and tells them they are killing everyone around them while smoking a nice fat joint.

>>11257298
That picture is pseudoscience, used dead lungs and smoke machines. Not actual samples of smokers.
>terrible for personal health
It isn't.
>terrible for health of innocent bystanders
It isn't.
>unnecessary emissions of co2
Insignificant , not nearly as unnecessary as the ones you'll emit by your worthless existence.

>>11257298
>why hasn't smoking been b&,
Because its B I G business. For places like virginia and north carolina its a big part of the economy.
People buying cigarettes are also paying a lot of taxes on it.
There are fewer people than ever smoking these days so education and restricting where you can smoke is more effective than prohibition which never works.

>>11257637
in close vicinity outside it takes time for the smoke to disperse and you can inhale some of it. and no i don't smoke period.

>>11257645
>That picture is pseudoscience,
as if an expert can't be paid off by big tobacco to spout their propaganda.

>smoking isn't bad
meanwhile from honest experts who aren't paid off by big tobacco:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15552776
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1548964
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17893872

>Insignificant , not nearly as unnecessary as the ones you'll emit by your worthless existence.
all else equal a smoker emits more co2 than a non-smoker. you cannot deny this. and it's not insignificant.
https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/93/12/15-152744/en/
>Tobacco smoking leads directly to the emission of 2 600 000 tonnes of carbon dioxide and about 5 200 000 tonnes of methane.19 Data from 66 low- and middle-income countries showed that tobacco growing and curing caused significant deforestation between 1990 and 1995, amounting to approximately 2000 hectares – on average, 5% of each country’s estimated deforestation during that five-year period.20 Worldwide, approximately 13 000 000 hectares of forest are lost due to agriculture or natural causes each year,21 and of this, at least 200 000 hectares are for tobacco agriculture and curing.1 Deforestation is the second largest anthropogenic source of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere (approximately 20%), after fossil fuel combustion.22 One estimate of the impact of deforestation in tobacco agriculture and curing is that it causes almost 5% of global greenhouse gas production.23

>>11257678
>For places like virginia and north carolina its a big part of the economy.
as far as employment is concerned it's very small.
https://www.ibisworld.com/industry-statistics/employment/cigarette-tobacco-manufacturing-united-states
>There are 12,291 people employed in the Cigarette & Tobacco Manufacturing industry in the US as of 2019
these people could easily be relocated to other manufacturing jobs.

>People buying cigarettes are also paying a lot of taxes on it.
that are quickly lost with the healthcare costs of treating smokers. the cost of smoking far outweighs whatever tax revenue.

>>11257687
>epidemiological ' evidence '

>>11257298
>why hasn't smoking been b&, senpaitachi?

Why should recreational activities be banned just because they harm people? It’s their choice. Grow the fuck up.

>>11257714
see: >>11257353

>wanting a nanny state

>>11257722
>a bit of regulation
>total nanny state
ok, ancap.

https://youtu.be/WJIMffhpZRw

https://youtu.be/hGimm2QaVYU

Yes but cigarette taxes pay for a third of the cost of the National Health service. We're saving many more lives than we otherwise could, because of those smokers who voluntary lay down their lives for their friends. Smokers are national benefactors.

>>11257687
>in close vicinity outside it takes time for the smoke to disperse and you can inhale some of it. and no i don't smoke period
Yes this is correct. But unless they are blowing it directly in your face the amount you are inhaling is completely negligible. Even if they are blowing it in your face the amount you take in is almost negligible.
You get more carcinogens just walking around town for a bit than you do from second hand smoke outside. Ever had a camp fire? You've probably taken in more 'second hand' smoke and carcinogens from one campfire than all sources of tobacco in your entire life.

>>11257808
i like to avoid burning period. i don't go next to camp fires for this reason. also why would i want to compound the bad air quality with smoke? just because the air quality is shit doesn't mean i should be exposed to more unhealthy particulates.

>>11257817
You might as well never go outside ever again. Oh wait you probably don't ever go outside in the first place.
Stop worrying over every little thing about your health because it will just make your life shitty and make everyone around you think you are a bitch and hate you.

>>11257828
except that health is the most important thing to worry about as there is no life without it. if people think i'm being a bitch as you say then they are just idiots and their opinions on this matter are irrelevant to me.

>>11257338
Unfortunately, we need to intervene in people's lives because retards are allowed to nurture children and hold major responsibilities such as operating a motor vehicle on the road with others.

>>11257298
It's being banned about as quickly as governments can manage to. Even in relatively non-statist regions of the US like Texas now you aren't legally allowed to smoke cigarettes inside your own apartment, and other countries like Australia are grandfathering it out so that if you were born after X year you can't buy cigarettes even after you reach what used to be smoking age there.

Smoking age just got raised to 21 in burgerland. I hate living in a third world country

>>11257843
>everyone other than me is retarded
>their opinions are shit but mine are not
>ME ME ME ME
yup sounds about right

>have things to do
>smoke weed
>all jobs now take 1000 years due to the time dilation
>sit down and twitch myself to sleep

Why is this shit legal?

>>11257625
its only 10 years out of 85

>>11257848
this.
why should you be allowed to accelerate a lump of iron to such velocities it can kill bystanders?

>>11257868
I didn't know!
t. Burger.

>>11258033
Kicks in like in september. So I'm going to have roughly 11 months of not being able to smoke. Joke's on the feds though, my buddy is a year older than me

>>11257867
>if you were born after X year you can't buy cigarettes
>ff 50 years
>all the old niggas are plugging cigs to the younger generation
>retirement funds now obsolete

>>11257298
Corporate interests

>>11257929
if you're gonna call anyone a bitch because they're concerned about health then you are indeed retarded. also rich to call me selfish when i'm not the one polluting nor adversely impacting people's health around them by being such a weak willed bitch who can't kick a bad habit.

>>11257727
>DON'T INHALE CHEMICAL
>>a bit of regulation
ok loser

>>11257298
why hasnt the flu been banned?

>>11258224
lemme guess heroin being regulated is pure fascism?

>>11257817
How sad is your fucking life? Go out, sit by a campfire, smoke 20 cigarettes and then drink a bottle of whiskey. Goddammit live man

>>11257298
>>11257328
>>11257353
>>11257625
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>>11257796
Smokers are actually less of a burden on the healthcare system than the obese, since smoking kills earlier while stuffing yourself usually won't kill you but will make you very sick and therefore you end up needing more medicine than the smoker who died of terminal lung cancer. I think it's great, it culls those stupid enough to hand over their money to corporations so they can slowly poison and kill them.

>>11257328
almost the entire cost of cigarettes is tax or built-in cost from massive government lawsuits. the things would be like $1/pack otherwise. that's about what they cost in countries that don't tax and regulate the shit out of them instead of $5-$20 like in the majority of the developed world

>>11258575
obesity and smoking on average shortens your life expectancy the same except obesity impairs your quality of life the whole way, smoking usually doesnt do shit until later other than inconsequential meme shit like no more wind sprints

>>11257298
Prohibition doesn't work