/sci/ - Science & Math

Well maybe she should have wished for something else.

girls should stop playing with dolls

>>11257166
Shush. It's men's fault whenever women make bad choices!

>>11257166
>girls have control over what toys they get. Shitty parents don't force them to conform to stereotypes

>>11257179
>"Honey, what do you want for your birthday?"
>"An arduino kit!"

Said no girl ever.

>>11257196
They probably just don't want to get molested again for failing to act like a girl

>the toys you're given shape your present and future interests
Seems a bit simplistic now I must admit.

I loved legos as a child and wasn't interested in becoming an engineer.

If this is true, OP, how come countries with lower levels of gender quality have MORE women going into STEM fields? Do you really think Algerians or the Turks are buying more of their daughters robot kits than the Norwegians or the Dutch?

>>11257224
That's clearly because the men force all the difficult jobs on women, who also can't provide for themselves otherwise.

>>11257224
>Global Gender Gap Index
>being anything besides Western propaganda
You don't actually take 'data' from international organizations seriously, do you? You don't find it suspicious they always happen to say the West is the best at everything and the West's rivals are the worst at everything?

>>11257245
How is that graph saying that the West is better than the rest? If you take women in STEM as the metric it is actually saying that it is worse and you could easily verify that data. And if you take the gender gap index do you really want to argue that the gender roles in countries like Qatar, UAE or Algeria are not much more restrictive than in western countries?

>>11257385
Shhhh you are destroying his strawman

Then you give a mechablox to a girl and she will make a doll out of it.

>>11257158
Yup. 100,000 years ago some patriarch douche thought to himself "if I give the boys sticks and the girls dolls it will ensure no more of these uppity women correct me next time". Women have been cursed by this social engineering tradition ever since.

>>11257158
Hmm, it could be this universal conspiracy theory that transcends borders and allows humans to be programmed with toys....... OOORRR it could be something to do with testosterone.

>>11257158
if you give baby chimps the choice of a baby doll or an object the males will mostly pick the object and the females the doll

>>11257158
why do some people believe the tiniest things in childhood have earth-shattering consequences in adulthood? seems like utter nonsense to me

>>11257196
>>11257179
Kids are the dumbest fucking demographic, that's why they're advertised too so heavily. And advertising budgets bank heavily on marketing to either little girls or little boys.

>>11257224
Because if your choice is to be married to Jamal the lazy-eyed-and-violent or go into STEM you'd pick STEM. If you live in Norway and you can live comfortably doing something that's only gonna be 30-40 hours a week of work, why struggle?

>>11257482
This is partly true though. Toys for young boys were designed to teach them they'd someday be warriors or hunters.

>>11257158
My (fraternal) twin sister and I grew up sharing toys, which were mostly Legos and action figures. She also had my little ponies because she specifically asked for them. Somehow she still ended up being an English teacher while I ended up in STEM. Every one of the handful of girls in my graduating class was super into girly shit, also. The writer of that propaganda comic is full of shit.

>>11257385
>And if you take the gender gap index do you really want to argue that the gender roles in countries like Qatar, UAE or Algeria are not much more restrictive than in western countries?
Yes, I would argue that. Women are free to pursue careers they wish without artificial barriers to entry like in Western countries. That graph alone ironically proves the opposite of its assertion. When all the evidence points toward Western rivals being more gender-equal, the only reasonable conclusion is that they genuinely are. Instead, we get "confused" as to why thesr paradoxes seemingly exist in our free and fair society.

>>11257158
Take kid to toy-store, let them choose a toy based primarily on cost (only say no if it's too expensive). Girls pick dolls way more than boys.

Also, parents buy presents for their children by asking them what they want, they don't just give them dolls whether they want one or not. The cartoon is bullshit.

>>11257784
For this to be a proper experiment you would have to separate the child from all popular culture.

This thread reeks of physics envy. Soicial "science" is truly cancerous

>>11257158
>You know he's right
He is not, countries with best "equality" standards still get the same representation of women in people services and men in abstract studies, economics and STEM. God, me and my sister both played with legos, videogames, etc, she still turned to arts while I picked STEM. Just because they've pushed that narrative to infinity doesn't mean its actually true.

>>11257237
I'm assuming its bait. But on a serious note, third world countries do get more women in STEM because they are high paid jobs and the promise of social mobility clearly influences that choice. Whereas, in first world and countries where "equality" is preached in a way that women's economic stability is not in question, they still pick what they prefer which usually is not STEM.

>>11257585
>Toys for young boys were designed to teach them they'd someday be warriors or hunters.
And toys for girls suggest they will all be supermodels, pornstars and prostitutes, which is what 99% of women aspire to be anyway.

>>11257841
>supermodels, pornstars and prostitutes,
examples? I'm not familiar with the girls toys market.

>>11257847
Fucking Barbie dolls, m8
Make up kits
Slutty clothing
Daddy's weirder friends
These are girls toys since forever.

>>11257224
I''d say because the shittier the country the less they are going to be influenced by propaganda/ads

>>11257853
>Daddy's weirder friends
What sort of toy is that?

>>11257856
The kind young women seem to like the most. The one toy that showers them with attention and God knows what else

>Why are there so few female engineers?
Because boys are given building blocks and girls are given dolls.
>Why are boys given building blocks and girls given dolls?
Because our society perceives boys to be better at creating things
>Why does our society perceive boys to be better at creating things?
Because most creative geniuses in history were men
>Why were most creative geniuses in history men?
Because gender roles at the time made women stay-at-home mothers while men ran society
>Why were women stay-at-home mothers while men ran society?
Because humans are a sexually dimorphic species. Like many sexually dimorphic species, human males display extreme variation in their traits, which makes a certain number of males more suitable for different tasks that require intelligence and creativity, such as engineering. Human females display less variation because their only role is to select the male with the most desirable traits and produce offspring with him. Also, males are more competitive and less risk-averse.

Social norms forces women to carry and nurture the child while the opposite is true for a couple of other species.
Man up and get pregnant for your wife and future daughter!

>>11257164
maybe her first present (when she was unable to speak) shouldn't have been a doll

>>11257158
Quite the opposite >>11255968

women have less neurons in their brains than men

>>11257956
sea horse?

>>11257807
You see this in babies only a few weeks old. They also saw it in young rhesus monkeys.

I don't know, man. Obviously society influences things, but if there were a biological/hormonal effect influencing toy/occupation choice- it would also have an influence over the sort of society that comes out, wouldn't it?

>>11257158
As a tranny this is garbage.
It's simple scientific fact that newborn girls are more often attracted to dolls than trucks.
Denying this is like denying that most women are sexually attracted to men and vice-versa.

>>11257158
>Give girl the robot toy
>She throws it in the trash and picks up a doll

>>11257207
>tfw parents got me Meccano and a chemistry set as presents
Fuck all that practical bullshit. I decided to do maths instead.

>>11257158
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/icd.2064
>From an early age, most children choose to play with toys typed to their own gender. In order to identify variables that predict toy preference, we conducted a meta‐analysis of observational studies of the free selection of toys by boys and girls aged between 1 and 8 years. From an initial pool of 1788 papers, 16 studies (787 boys and 813 girls) met our inclusion criteria. We found that boys played with male‐typed toys more than girls did (Cohen's d = 1.03, p < .0001) and girls played with female‐typed toys more than boys did (Cohen's d = −0.91, p < .0001). Meta‐regression showed no significant effect of presence of an adult, study context, geographical location of the study, publication date, child's age, or the inclusion of gender‐neutral toys. However, further analysis of data for boys and girls separately revealed that older boys played more with male‐typed toys relative to female‐typed toys than did younger boys (β = .68, p < .0001). Additionally, an effect of the length of time since study publication was found: girls played more with female‐typed toys in earlier studies than in later studies (β = .70, p < .0001), whereas boys played more with male‐typed toys (β = .46, p < .05) in earlier studies than in more recent studies. Boys also played with male‐typed toys less when observed in the home than in a laboratory (β = −.46, p < .05). Findings are discussed in terms of possible contributions of environmental influences and age‐related changes in boys' and girls' toy preferences.

>>11258149
>Despite methodological variation in the choice and number of toys offered, context of testing, and age of child, the consistency in finding sex differences in children's preferences for toys typed to their own gender indicates the strength of this phenomenon and the likelihood that has a biological origin.

>>11257158
So do compsci nerds just stand around asking questions like this? I don't think they care about girls.

>>11257507
I knew it. You have to be retarded to play with dolls. You have a fantasizing roleplaying sociopathic autistic objectphilliac projecting piece of shit to ever pretend that a doll is a puppet you play with or a real human being you interact with.

>>11257158
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0163638300000321

>Sex differences in human neonatal social perception

>Sexual dimorphism in sociability has been documented in humans. The present study aimed to ascertain whether the sexual dimorphism is a result of biological or socio-cultural differences between the two sexes. 102 human neonates, who by definition have not yet been influenced by social and cultural factors, were tested to see if there was a difference in looking time at a face (social object) and a mobile (physical-mechanical object). Results showed that the male infants showed a stronger interest in the physical-mechanical mobile while the female infants showed a stronger interest in the face. The results of this research clearly demonstrate that sex differences are in part biological in origin.

>>11258119
>>11258117
*Beats the living shit out of the cell and tazes it till it respects orders*
DO YOU FUCKING DARE DISRESPECT YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS?
I''m smarter than any subconscious, instinct, hormone, biological need and you will learn to fucking respect me OR ELSE.

This is why we can't have nice things. We need to beat the living shit our of cells till they learn to stop doing retarded shit like growing unneeded hair and letting the pain and emotional receptors turned on during combat and stress.

>>11258129
*Tazes you* maths is for scammers and useless arrogant fags, you fag. Respect muh authority.

>>11258114
Then find and document the biological affect. Males on average have shorter hair than females but the rate at which it grows is the same for both sexes.

>>11258232
Do you think we could fix society by beating the shit out of it? Or is the cell so stubborn and dumb that it's too handicapped to follow orders?

>>11258117
as a tranny you have a mental illnes, i would still use you for sex tough, but thats because its my healthy drive to impregnate soft stuff, so if you are a woman shaped man its still healthy behaviour by my part, is you who are imitating a girl because of brain damage that makes you believe you are one of the two real kinds of sex, man or woman.

>>11258063
Maybe your first present (when you were unable to speak) shouldn't have been your father's cock being shoved down your throat. Perhaps then you'd be less of a faggot.

>>11257224
Genuine question, but does anyone think this might be because STEM is a good way of getting out of these shitty countries? Western countries pretty much beg for STEM grads wherever they're from, thats why tech companies typically oppose immigration restrictions. If I were a woman from Yemen or some other shithole, I'd want a STEM degree so some nice company in 'Murica or Britain would hire me.

Do women ever take responsibility for literally any negative aspect of their life

>>11258958
that kind of women are misogynist

>>11257158
>>11257170
>>11257179
Studies with monkeys have shown the male monkeys are more likely to play with a truck and the girl monkey is more likely to play with a doll.
This is not “monkey culture repressing females”
This is females (not all, just more females) prefering a toy with a face and males prefering a toy that is a tool.

>>11259054
Bigot!

>>11259054
suuure, those must be very reproducible studies made by vast amount of the best harvard professionals right?

oh no, its retarded right wing pseudoscientists from the state university of fuckwhere.

yeah, dont maker me laugh. equality is new king and if you dont like it you can commend my subjectivety with a rational dicotomy any timer.

>>11257179
>women don't possess agency and are just meat sack wombs

Way to defeat your own argument idiot

>>11259092
>question claim by saying study was conducted by bigots
>subsequently implies for Harvard scientists to be impartial
Gotta say, it has become very, very hard to detect trolls.

>>11257158
>You know he's right

No, I don't. And neither do you.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4726418/

>>11257158
>"Why are there so few girl engineers?"
Hmmm...based on that logic, why are there so many male transgenders?

>>11259172
its the best college. If you get a cancer are you gonna get it treated by a youtube taught surgeon or by a harvard taught one?
you know i have objectively won the discussion with this, this is undeniable.

>>11257158

>>11259206
why would you willingly risk your life going to an inferior black doctor just because he has a havard degree? blacks don't qualify for harvard medical school based on merit, they only get special treatment because of their skin color.
and the results aren't pretty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0wk4qG2mIg

>>11259054
>Studies with monkeys have shown the male monkeys are more likely to play with a truck and the girl monkey is more likely to play with a doll.
Link the "studies" then.

>>11259228
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982210014491

>>11259206
>youtube isn't helpful to study and learn

>>11259222
lmao mutts are indeed retarded

>>11259206
Is Oxford good enough?

>>11257224
that graph can be manipulated to mean anything, considering literally a 8% grouping of outliers are defining the graph

>>11259277
no

>>11258704
I think that does apply to the female programmers in India.

>>11259092
>>11259206
This has to be a troll, right? How can someone say the stupid shit you’re saying with a straight face? It honestly boggles the mind.

>>11259054
>prefering a toy with a face and males prefering a toy that is a tool.
Therefore future women will be the ruling class and engineer who teach/code the AIs, while the male will be the servant class who self identify as tools.
Anyway, I think this pic is bound to be posted anyway

>>11257164
>Well maybe she should have wished for something else.
Exactly. Baby sister asked for Legos. Not sure if that's because they look a lot like Roblox, because that's what she plays too.

>>11261196
lmao nope. the last career paths will be programmer and engineer which is the path of the tools-minded, ie men. men will build robowaifus and artificial wombs while roasties will be on the streets dying off from their uselessness.

>>11258175
No

>>11260495
I’m not sure. Most engineers in India are rather forced to take up CS even though someone may have interest in physics or math.

>>11257158
There is a famous Norwegian study (mentioned on "Hjernevask", find it on youtube), which shows that only weeks old boys and girls have different PREFERENCES in toys in concordance with gender stereotypes.

What's the neurological difference between dolls and stuffed animals?

>>11257158
except little boys choose mechanical toys and little girls choose baby-like toys

it's biology, not culture

as a woman, i feel privileged to have been discouraged from doing engineering

>>11261497
tell'em sis

>>11261497
>As a woman
Go make me a sandwich

>>11261506
you sound like lizzo is your spirit animal too ;) luv u grrl

>>11257158
Wow i used to like these comics

>>11261329
Dolls have a more developed Broca area but are also more susceptible to epilepsy

>>11261497

>>11261538
and then you became a white supremacist

>>11261542
the SASSINESS xP

>>11258175
I think the guy just wanted to get laid

>>11259241
DELET DIS!!!!

>>11261497
I never knew women were on /sci/.

>>11261497
How frequently you women post here?

>>11257158

The reality is that most kids, boy and girl play on iPhones now and little else.