/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11251000
Boooo

>>11251000
Trips checked

Also please define "free will"

The real question is "Does free willy exist?"

I would argue yes.

>>11251000
no

>>11251000
Define "free will" first, because I've no idea what you mean by that.

>>11251009
I tried to free willy once, and I was arrested.

>>11251037
pervert

>>11251000
No I guess, humans don't have a free will. You thoughts are made up in reaction to external things. We are conditionned by our environnement. And determined by our genetic too, your brain structure is determined by your genetic and your environment. If you were a dog, you wouldn't think the same. You can even stop or control your thoughts, only a part of them are conscious, they are made up by your brain according its structure. We can stop your thoughts, or modify the way your thoughts are made by your brain by hurting or using chemicals in your brain.

>>11251000
If it doesn't, why do some of my actions seem to be more consciously taken than others?

>>11251242
Or
why do some of my actions seem to be more freely taken than others?***

I believe there are degrees to one's willpower but I don't know how people grade it

>>11251000
Yes but only within a range, some people are way more pre disposed to do or achieve some things than others.

>>11251000
To some extent yes.

It does, just not on the way you think.

>>11251000
Nothing is absolute in this world. But the fact that absolute freedom is unobtainable doesn't mean that freedom is unobtainable.

>>11251000
Nope because you do what your brain orders you to do

>>11251304
What about bacteria? Do they have free will?

>>11251000
Impossible to answer just like that. First, define 'free will' and then we can discuss it.

>>11251000
No.
Embrace determinism and order, anon.

>>11251009
brother

>>11251000
I'm not allowed to say.

>>11251000
Free will isn't even a coherent concept.

https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Free_will_(solution)

Another free will thread
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>>11251710

It exists, since you are able to perceive the concept and it greatly affects your life.
It fills your life with guilt, hope and ambition. The question of whether it actually objectively exists is irrelevant, as well as the question of "does color really exist?"
We know color is not real, it os just the way you interpret wavelengths, but you tell me how much different your life became when you realized that blood is red only in your mind and does not contain any actual 'redness'

>>11251304
>your brain
>orders you
Who is you and who is your brain

>>11251878
does the voice actor inside my head who narrates my internal monologue have an internal monologue of his own?

Yes because free will means to act against one's impulses

This question arises due to a misunderstanding of reality, namely, that something called "the cause and effect, effect" exists.

>>11251000
Did you decide to make this thread or did something or someone force you to?

Depends on what happened before the big bang

>>11251000
no, now check 'em!

>>11251893
Dunno about you but the voice in my head is just myself

>>11251000
If everything you do, and I mean, EVERYTHING you do, can be linked through causality to a previous event, then how is free will applicable? It is not.

>>11251000
Don't ask me, OP, because I LIE, EVERYTHING I SAY IS A LIE.
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Oh, and by the way, OP?
I AM LYING.

>>11251005
Will that is free, idiot.

>>11251000
the question doesn't matter because it has no impact on how you or anybody else lives their lives.

that being said, yes it does.

>>11251000
Give us your concise, scientific definition of """free will""" so we can discuss the topic in proper terms.

Well yes, if Will is allowed parole. If not, I'm afraid the answer is no.

Some events that happen are contingent on our will.
Contingent means "could have been different."
Therefore, our will could have been different.
If our will is determined, it could not have been different.
Therefore, our will is not determined.
Therefore, free will exists.

lol this is either a sound argument, or I've equivocated "contingent" somehow.

1. Some events that happen are contingent on our will.
2. Contingent means "could have been different."
3. Therefore, our will could have been different.
4. If our will is determined, it could not have been different.
5. Therefore, our will is not determined.
6. Therefore, free will exists.

lol this is either a sound argument, or I've equivocated "contingent" somehow.

Yes. God gave us free will. What's the matter?

>>11251964
You would guess what is meant if you were at all capable of discussing the topic. Rather, I wager you've asked your question hoping you won't get an answer. I also wager that if you do get any answer, you would have declared it insufficient and made some further implication that you'll not then not bother to spare your massive intellect.

>>11251964
You would guess what is meant if you were at all capable of discussing the topic. Rather, I wager you've asked your question hoping you won't get an answer. I also wager that if you do get any answer, you would have declared it insufficient and made some further implication that you'll then not bother to spare your massive intellect.

>>11252008
>You would guess what is meant if you were at all capable of discussing the topic
Have you read free will threads at all? People don't tend to agree on a definition.

>>11252048
I'm familiar with the discussion, and lack thereof from fags that whine that no definition was spoon-fed them. There's only like two possible definitions.

>>11251956
This

No, we are cosmic slaves

>>11251000
No, next question?

yes, fate is the opposite of free will and it is a irrational superstition of the most primitive religions, paganism, polytheism

>>11252876
But what about quantum mechanics

>>11251000
Only for me.

The rest of you are chemicals

>>11251000
I think therefore I am

>>11251053
>we

>>11252997
(((We)))

Hard determinists say that everything is ultimately determined by "laws of physics", therefore our choices are ultimately determined by them as well, therefore we don't ultimately determine our own choices, therefore we don't have free will. But what are "laws of physics", other than a compact description of what happens in the world? Of course our choices cannot be in contradiction to an accurate description of the world. This sense of determinism is so vacuous that it shouldn't be in contradiction to anyone's sense of freedom and agency.

>>11253555
But what about quantum mechanics

>>11251242
Because what you’re calling a free action is a determined action that you happen to agree with out of principle. Whether you like what you’re doing or not, you didn’t will it freely if at all.

>>11253575
We can be subject to positive experiences that don't feel willed by ourselves though. If I randomly encounter some qt on the street I involuntarily experience pleasure.

You can always go back to saying that if a choice was determined by anything at all, it wasn't really free, and also say that if a choice wasn't determined by anything, it wasn't determined by the subject either so it still wasn't free (IMO only the latter statement is true and the former statement is just plain retarded). But then you're just relying on a trivially contradictory definition of freedom nobody should care about.

>>11251000
No. I used to believe it exists but recently I was prescribed Paroxetine, and suddenly I was trying to engage in taboo. I became empathetic and talkative, loved everyone but at the same time I wasn’t afraid to kill someone who do wrong to me. I realised about my behaviour after I stopped taking it.

>>11254558
How does that disprove free will? It was your free will that you're going to take the medicine to begin with. You could have easily thrown it away