/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11237376
$ = Power
$ = Knowledge
QED Power = Knowledge

>>11237376
nothing is cheating. Forget sjw bullshit. The only acceptable result in science is winning, nothing else wins. did you discover the advance? then its yours, not your societys not your parents or your money or any other bullshit.
WHATEVER IT TAKES TO WIN IS JUSTIFIED IF YOU WIN, PEOPLE WHO SAY OTHERWISE ARE JUST SORE LOSERS

>>11237421
Arnie, is that you?

>>11237376
It's not fair. It's just one part of a whole system designed to keep the rich rich and the poor poor.

>>11237376
How many free points do you think you should get to "level" the playing field crybaby OP?

>>11237376
The children of the philosopher class (which now can be nearly all due to modern technology) should be separated from their parents and raised in common by the state.

>>11238597
Fugg

>>11237376
What are you some kind of communist?

Imagine needing a tutor. Just read the book faggot.

>>11237376
>If school systems are intended to be used to filter out talented kids

They are not.

Results is what counts, not effort or talent. If some child has more tutoring, then it should be prefered.

>>11238597
O think there should be something like this but considered highly honorable and reserved for the top .25 percent of children. They should live in a state of absolute luxury and have the full arrays of elite education put into them, they should then be placed in key advisor roles to the heads of state and military.

>>11238672
Are you retarded?? This is how you get a retarded upper class with zero sympathy for the plebs. Really smart people already have superiority complexes and now you're just gonna make it worse

>>11237376
Statiscally and historically most rich families wealth don't last beyond 3 generations. I grew up in one of the wealthiest areas in the entire world a lot of the rich kids didn't adjust in to adult life at all from being cuddled with money and their parents wealth often diminished too. It takes work to stay rich, people try extort you, the government tries to take it and sometimes theres just bad luck.

The rich kid getting a tutor doesn't matter in the end because the kid can't maintain it on his own. The richest family I knew has one son working as a security guard, the other works at retail and the daughter just sluts around hitting the wall fast. The other is actually a household rich person family name and all of the kids are god awful ugly two of them are damn near retarded with severe learning disabilities.

>>11238597
agreed. imagine the level of filtering.
you could find a true god among men.
clearly they'll need to consort in physical contest as well.

>>11240568
Being rich has nothing to do with having a tutor or being educated by informed parents. I am talking about the purpose of school systems if they don't select gifted kids but select kids who are trained from childhood by means not all have access to. I knew a kid in 3rd grade who knew how to do all kinds of trigonometry because his parents tutored him from childhood mean while my own parents made me think advanced math was some sort of God learning mortals can't understand until they reach high school.

>>11237376
If you need tutoring to pass a school exam then the exam is broken.

Topic is entirely /pol/

>>11237376
>If school systems are intended to be used to filter out talented kids and set them onto a path to be leaders in society
Here is your error,
School are intended to teach children and send them toward any goal they wants. How they do it or fail to is irrelevant and only a matter of government or constitution. If they don't enforce "equal chance" it is inherently political.

>>11240962
do you think given two kids of equal learning ability, one that is tutored after school would have equal grades to one which was not?

>>11240958
Cope. Let me guess, you're smart but don't try?

>>11241320
Try what? doing grade 3 again?
I'm talking about the school system and how it is supposed to work, you're pressing the personal aspect of it.

>>11240962
t. american

>>11240568
this seems vaguely relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZFHG8wWC5s

>>11237376
Yes, the game is broken, but it is the only game in town
>gf is good at math and teaching math
>gf knows rich people
>rich people pay her $80-$100/hour to tutor their high school kids
>some of these kids have tutors for every subject
>parents paying ~$2000/month on tutors
So, brains of /sci/, get out there and start making some money off of this

>>11237376
>Is having parents who pay for tutors cheating?
Only if they're paying the instructor of the course for this "tutoring".
>If school systems are intended to be used to filter out talented kids and set them onto a path to be leaders in society, how is it fair to compare the learning ability of a child from an academically impoverished household to a child from a enriching household?
Irrelevant, because the point isn't for them to be a perfect filter for vaguely-defined inner "talents". If you have the same "talent" as a student that's performing well, but you'd need to spend a decade making up for a shitty background before you could match him, guess what? He's a higher-quality student.

>>11241372
Tell me how you get a rich gf

>>11241465
I'm Asian

>>11241465
my gf isn't rich, she just worked at a high school that had rich students
she networked with the teachers and got recommended by them to parents
once the ball got rolling, she had more students than time
and she gets paid in cash
networking is one of the most important skills

smarter kids will succeed without tutoring, dumber kids will fail despite tutoring.

>>11237376
It's almost as if meritocracy isn't real.

>>11241190
>Topic is entirely /pol/
It's ridiculous today, they're shilling nonstop.

>>11241625
this is true
but I think op is whining that mediocre students from wealthy families will do better than smart students from poor ones

>>11241587
Ok but how did you get a rich gf

>school systems are intended to be used to filter out talented kids and set them onto a path to be leaders in society

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ITS RETARDED

>>11238586
nature is designed to keep the fit alive and the non-fit dead.

Go ahead, seize the means of production. Chances are you still won't be apart of the ruling class fucking over the rest of the population anyways.
Except now the ruling class has an even firmer grip on your peasant life and can guilt you/throw you into a gulag with all the other decenters by claiming you are against the, "[peoples] revolution".

>>11241805
Well the people you think are fit aren't actually fit.
Nature sides with the strong. You're the one who thinks jews aren't strong.

Cheating: not understanding material and getting good grades
Not cheating: using money, certain drugs etc. to understand material for good grades

Yes it's that easy

>>11237376
Having parents is a disadvantage. Mine neglected me and I am smarter for it so, I guess it works out.

>>11237376
School is just teaching you how to work in a factory and accumulate debt

>>11237376
>Is having parents who pay for tutors cheating? What about parents who know academic topics?
It doesn't matter, imo. Imagine you could somehow magically prevent all kids, including very smart kids, from using tutors or learning advanced stuff from their parents, just for the sake of turning standardized tests into quasi-IQ tests. Would it really be worth it?
>If school systems are intended to be used to filter out talented kids and set them onto a path to be leaders in society
That's clearly not the intended purpose of a school system that attempts to teach roughly the same amount of material over the same period of time to every child, regardless of ability. It fucks anyone too far below or above average (except for actual geniuses).

>>11237417
>pic.

what the fuck. just what the fuck.

>>11237376
>school systems are intended to be used to filter out talented kids
>how is it fair to compare the learning ability of a child from an academically impoverished household to a child from a enriching household?
so you're saying just give everyone an IQ test early before kids get tutors and sort them by innate IQ.
That's smart thinkin anon, why didn't we do this before? Maybe because a certain tribe is afraid of us realizing there are genetic differences in IQ distributions between races?

>>11244627
Shut up goy you’re an animal

>>11244549
Biology is fucking insanity.

>>11244733
No it’s just an intrinsic survival oriented machine that we can’t really understand yet.

>>11244740
>machine
no brainlet please learn science before talking in public forums about science

>>11244754
I’ll have a degree in molecular biology by summer.
You’re the brainlet.
Do you even know how many domains are involved in gene silencing for the swi6?
Do you know what primary cilia do?
No you don’t

>>11244740
I didn't say too complex to reason about. I said insanity. The things we understand completely are still insanity. Since none of it was really engineered, it's generally a mess of overcomplexity and emergent behavior. Insanity.

>>11244754
It's machinery. There's no other way to describe what a protein is. It's molecular machinery. The cell itself is more complex machinery. The multicellular organism is still more complex machinery.

>>11244764
If you can’t cope with this stuff arising from chance go get a religion

>>11244764
It’s interesting how molecular aspects of proteins are harder to understand than the biochemical pathways and physiology.
The macro scale is much easier. Probably because it’s taken for granted

>>11244770
>Reading comprehension this bad.
You might be retarded.

>>11244761
lol at you fag

>>11244777
Why yes how did you know :)

>>11244549
Think carefully before you decide to really educate yourself.
There will be no way back.

>>11244764
>there’s no other way to describe what it is
a protein, brainlet pseud

>>11244784
At least you're smart enough to not argue with three sevens.

>>11244789
>Protein, noun.
>See: Protein.

>>11244799
Learn biophysics and never post about anything more complicated than your bug labor again fag

>>11244804
This isn't even arguing from authority. It's just pathetic.

>>11241805
Except the rich aren’t fit, they are overwhelming fat ugly and inbred. The only people still exposed to significant evolutionary pressures are those living in extreme poverty in the third world. Even mid income people at least have sexual selection, rich people have none of those things due to material comfort and an endless supply of trophy wives

>>11240958
Ok so you have problem with some people being better parents in future planning by preparing their child. The thing is this can happen in other aspects to sports, criminal activity, business academics aren't the sole path to sucess so how do you account for the coach that only coaches so his kid starts or shows him how not to get arrested for crimes.

Regardless of those other tutorings the blame in school is not just on the parents in the end its a representation of a shitty school system because you shouldn't have to rely solely on your own parents in case they are dimwits the whole reason why we pay taxes. Its not cheating the system is just corrupt so "cheating" is just playing the game.

Typically though that extra attention also puys extra pressure on the kid and the parents themselves may hit a wall nothing is constant in this world. The reason i brought up rich kids was that they have all the opportunities but often sqaunder it.

The only thing you can do is prepare your child for that live vicariously through them if you feel as if your shots been passed.

>>11244845
>Except the rich aren’t fit, they are overwhelming fat ugly and inbred.

No, they are more likely to be both healthier and more intelligent than the poor.

>>11237376
>If school systems are intended to be used to filter out talented kids and set them onto a path to be leaders in society
The school system is supposed to educate children.

>>11237417
Another goof another proof

>>11237376
>is having parents who pay for tutors cheating?
No. If they have the money to afford it and want to pay for it, it's none of anyone else's business. I'm personally inclined against people who came from a better background than mine, but it's not like they did something wrong or anything. It's not their fault that other people's parents fucked up in life

>>11237376
>cheating
What the fuck is your wojak posting problem, shitposter? "Cheating," is what losers try to label winners with. Fuck off.

>>11237376
>Is having parents who pay for tutors cheating? hat about parents who know academic topics?
No. If you're truly learning, then you are privy to an uncommon advantage. It's still up to you not to squander that opportunity.

>... how is it fair ...
It isn't. Fairness is not a right, nor universal. Fairness is relative, subjective, and is a manufactured condition. Fairness itself is unfair to those operating outside fair conditions who could benefit from conditions of fairness. Conversely, it is unfair to those within the fair constraint who could excel if not held back by fairness.
And because life is unfair, it's important for people to help others in need. Everyone can experience debilitating unfairness. For instance, a perfectly healthy wealthy guy could cause an accident that results is a lawsuit taking all material things away. Or in America get sick and lose everything in a medical bid to save his life. And there are assholes who make it through life completely blessed but never donate help in any way. It's unfair. Accept the possibility. But help where you can.

>>11244804
Any biophysicist would agree that ATP synthase is a molecular machine. I'm a computational biophysicist.