/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11226546
depends if it is RAM or ROM

>>11226546
better question where does it come from when you're born?

>>11226546
reincarnation is real and there's evidence for it

Murdered, have you. How many. Men? In real life?

>>11226811
wanna be my first?

>>11226731
It doesn't exist

>>11226750
such as?

>>11226546
Consciousness doesn't "go" anywhere when you die, it just fades because without a brain there's nothing that can give you senses or a consciousness.

>>11226546
Consciousness dissipates into nothing when you die. Data is stored physically on the drive when you turn off the computer unless its some kind of RAM or primitive core memory, where the data is stored in the form of magnetized metal rings, if you lose power the data is just gone forever. If you destroy the hard drive the data is just gone forever. Kind of like if you burn something, some waste heat is left and some ash, but the complex molecules that made up the ordered object are gone forever, impossible to be reformed, forever.

>>11227334
I'd also like to know.

>>11226546
Consciousness is a myth

>>11226613
you can't save shit into ROM retard

You were the consciousness of your dads sexual desire and your moms. Then you got shunted into a fetus. Then you got born and started building a complex brain world model to live inside. Then you live and eventually die
Then your consciousness reduces to the being of the individual cells of your body. Then it gets sucked up into the microbes that decompose your body. Then it eventually makes it back into the world over time as it gets further spread.

This is why killing yourself is a bad idea. You will literally still have experience but in a new way where you are extremely aware of everything that resulted from your death, every tiny consequence.

>>11228304
test

>>11228304
If you die in agony, just imagine that you make the whole universe suffer with you. It should be one of the greatest sins. Just imagine. Of course you can always imagine something opposite or something completely unrelated.

>>11228304
what the fuck is this retardery. cells aren't conscious

>>11228852
>cells aren't conscious
Never gonna make it.

Consciousness is hidden in our DNA. The "unnecessary baggage" in our DNA is what our consciousness derives from

Consciousness is the product of a living brain. Destroy the brain and you are destroyed as well.

>>11228859
>unnecessary baggage
it's leftovers from inferior species we evolved from

>>11226546
>Where does data go when I power off a computer?
sucked into the NSAs cuntflaps

>>11226546
There is nothing after death. No victory over it.

>>11226750
based schizo

>>11226546
Honestly /sci/ is kept alive by these threads. Otherwise it's a fucking sandbox. Thanks OP. Consciousness is everywhere , just disembodied and it's intelligence is non-specific.

>>11226546
>Where does data go when I power off a computer?
When we die, our neurons die fairly quickly, unlike data in a hard drive. Those neurons have huge complex connections, so complex that we can't understand them as much as we understand the universe itself, but we know consciousness is there somewhere, and when all those neural connections die the consciousness dies.

You die
And words won't do anything
It's permanently night
And I won't feel anything
We'll all be laughing with you when you die

>>11227664
>what is EEPROM

>>11226546
>Where does data go when I power off a computer?
Terrible analogy, think about for more than few seconds.

Here you go:
>Where does a party go when everybody leaves?

It's an AI. We're an AI. The alphabet is the technology. Basically a couple thousand years of cleverbot.

>>11232509
>brain structure is intact when you die, it's just not active
cool
>data structures remain on a hard drive when you turn off the power, it's just not active
cool

>party structure remains in a room when the people are gone, it's just not active
Retarded

See how any analogy can be made to sound "terrible", you autistic fucking retard

>>11227663
Then why are we talking about it in the first place? If consciousness doesn’t exist, then your self aware existance wouldn’t. You’d just be a big molecule that reacts to it’s enviorment, which in turn would mean that nobody would ever have invented the word for consciousness because it isn’t a thing to experience.

>>11226750
>>11227663
>>11228304
>>11228859
>>11232601
>>>/x/

>>11232945
>brain structure is intact when you die, it's just not active

That isn’t true. Death is DEFINED by the DESTRUCTION OF BRAIN STRUCTURE. A person is deemed dead when their brain has suffered enough damage that awareness cannot be restored.

>>11232960
>which in turn would mean that nobody would ever have invented the word for consciousness because it isn’t a thing to experience.

The word “leprechauns” exists too

>>11232970
Nice strawman. Because those are made up creatures from ancient folk tale stories. Not applicable to the concept of consciousness. If we aren’t conscious, nobody would’ve ever thought of it because consciousness allows the being to self reflect on that part of existance, the fact that they are self aware. We feel conscious therefore we are conscious—in the case of conscousness. Consciousness is REQUIRED for the memetic idea of consciousness to be thought of and debated.

>>11232978
> Nice strawman. Because those are made up creatures from ancient folk tale stories.

Consciousness is a made-up phenomena, like magic and leprechauns,

>>11232502
The party for electrical engineers you were not able to get a date to.

>>11232985
I’m willing to accept that you’re an unaware big protein and molecule sack. Have fun while I enjoy my self awareness.

>>11232985
>Consciousness is a made-up phenomena
No, it's something that exists. What's next, you're gonna say that pain and other stimuli are made up as well?

>>11233016
> No, it's something that exists

Detail an experiment that could be used to verify its existence.

>>11233010
>Have fun while I enjoy my self awareness.

>Have fun while I attend Hogworts

>>11233037
You are able of speech and shitposting here, this is proof enough.

>>11232988
Absolutely kekked and checked.

>>11233042
>You are able of speech

So is my phone. Language is just auditory data transmission.

> and shitposting here

Establish the causal link between using 4Chan and possessing the mystical trait of “consciousness”

>>11228304
I have had this theory for a long time reincarnation is real, epigenetics,viruses and convergent evolution also support the theory of reincarnation.

It energizes the Pineal Almond which itself becomes quantum entangled with the 2D holographic universe. Like a battery.

Reality is an infinite, negentropic, holofractal Lorenz system.

Heaven & Hell, forever. You are light. Light never dies.

Heaven is the Sun & “God” is just the collective of all stars, who themselves are each a collective all of their planets harvested, sentient entities of love. This “collective of collectives” co-creates reality for each other. All love.

Every star is a sentient collective. Every star is a heaven unto itself. If you love in this toughest of dimensions, you get harvested into heaven when you die, where you live forever with your family and everything you loved in this life and it is beautiful forever.

The Egyptians called the “as above, so below” phenomenon correspondence. In this density, you can notice correspondences by picking up on what Jung called synchronicities.

Heaven changes and gets better as it orthogonally twists up into higher dimensions forever, outside of time, etc. You traverse the universe as sentient light and who knows what else.

>>11233135
we wuz kings

>>11233135
The ankh is a symbol of Horus king of heaven aka the Sun. In an alternate dimension the Sun is actually like the earth... except it radiates love. It is a beautiful place with a constant nostalgic feeling of a hug by God. There are cities and you travel wherever you want to be in the blink of an eye. When going there you literally pass through the mesh of reality. Reality means Re or to constantly repeat, al or all, I meaning all is I, T as in time, and Y which symbolizes equals. The word eye can help to understand this. The to eat are points at which the energy enters combining together into the I or ego/self. Everything we see becomes a part of our selves right? The Sun God Ra literally translates Ra(Sun) Dia(God) T(Cross or time) E(Energy or everything). Also Radius meaning round also means Sun God. Dios or Dia are cognates of the word God and Ra means ray or sun. This is why the Bible say Jesus came to earth from heaven and also why In heiroglyphs they show the ankh descending from heaven (the sun) to earth. These are not fancy ways of explaining the physical but are actually spiritual truth of heaven. Notice that time on earth seems to revolve around Jesus (BC /Before Christ, AD /After Death) BC counting backwards to his death then moving forward. Just as the Earth revolves around the Sun.

>>11233169
See:
>>>/x/23940821

>>11233172
Hm yes. The law of one:

https://www.lawofone.info/

>>11226731
Babies are literally barely conscious until the experiencing structure develops during their first years.

>>11233045
What definition of the consciousness are you arguing against? If consciousness is just defined as being aware of your existence, death, birth, and impulses(everything), would not you agree that there is some sort of consciousness. By this definition you are realizing that all your actions are just fueled by impulses and have no free will but at the same time you are aware, or conscious, of this.

>>11233072
Just cause your materials are used up again and traces of your DNA could be found in other organisms doesn't mean you will have another life doe

>>11232960
>no one would've invented the words "fairy fart-god ultra bazillionaire" if it wasnt literally a real thing.

>>11233182
>Babies are literally barely conscious

Prove it. How the fuck are you testing this?

>>11233462
>By this definition you are realizing that all your actions are just fueled by impulses and have no free will but at the same time you are aware, or conscious, of this.

Let’s apply Newton’s flaming laser sword to the problem.

>>11233135
>If you love in this toughest of dimensions, you get harvested into heaven when you die, where you live forever with your family and everything you loved in this life and it is beautiful forever.
Um..
But ah..
What if I really do want to spend eternity Beth my family, but they were HATEFUL shits and they don't get into "heaven" yet?
or the other way around,
I deeply resent them but love everything and everyone else, so I don't want to spend eternity with them, but whoops there they are..

Honestly would love to hear a response to this.
I've read the law of one.

>>11228855
Have a (you).

>>11234204
bumping for a response to this, still

>>11227348
No shit dipwad, OP is referring to an outside data storage facility like heaven/hell which we return to after we die much like everything you do on your computer (online) is recorded and persists even when the computer dies.

>>11234204
Law of One is bullshit and there is no heaven. If you die, you cease to be conscious and won't even be aware that there is nothing.

>>11235467
the ra material makes no claim of heaven and when you or I or anyone else dies, there isn't nothing you absolute retard, the whole world and universe goes on, it's just that YOU have died.

you seem like a fedora tipping sperg, no offense, sperglord.

>>11235494
>anon mentions heaven
>say heaven doesn't exist
>b-but my faggot material doesn't say anything about heaven!
This is your brain on /x/

>>11235498
>can't grasp context
>literally ignores 90% of the post
>smug_face.png
this is your brain on ultra-smooth time

>>11235529
>>can't grasp context
Coming from the guy with shit tier reading comprehension who has to put words into other people's mouths constantly.

>>11235532
not even close to a rebuttal

>>11235532
Chrome kettle

>>11227334
>>11227659
Not him but:
Mass and energy are conserved in isolated systems (depends if you consider our universe as isolated or not I guess).
Whatever you are transforms into something else when upon death (die>become organic matter>become bacteria or something, same for energy die>release heat>eventually become something else).
Given enough time I suppose there's a chance (read: almost nonexistent) that all the energy and mass you released upon death finds itself wholly in another organism, which would be the equivalent of the traditional idea of reincarnation.

>>11235467
unless you can demonstrate that empirically and definitively, that's merely your own speculation being presented as "scientific fact". in reality, you can't demonstrate anything to be conscious or unconscious, nor is there any known methodology at this time which can establish such information. the only procedure currently followed is to associate neural activity with consciousness and thereby deem consciousness to cease when the former does, but that's not a valid methodology at all, it doesn't explain any of the details regarding what consciousness is, or how one knows definitely whether something possesses consciousness or not, and how it does so. just a way for proponents of materialism to say "i am right, even though i haven't answered any of the questions this subject entails".

when did scientific enquiry become equivalent to religious dogmatism? i'm not sure, but i think we're now able to clearly observe the difference between true scientists i.e people who want to understand the nature of reality, and use empirical investigation as their primary method of doing so, versus those who just have their own preconceptions of reality, not based on empirical evidence nor philosophically coherent, that they simply want to pass down to others as "truth" just like the local apocalyptic preacher. having your own opinions is fine, pretending they're "true" without any evidence behind them nor rational explanations underlying them (ex. hard problem of consciousness) is not.

let's just wait until the actual institution of science has made progress on this subject before simply declaring our subjective opinions, be them mystic or materialistic, as conclusively answering them. might take decades, but nonetheless that's what a sensible person would do

>>11227664
ROM = read only memory, if there was no data wtf do you think is being read you massively retarded imbecile?

>you can't save shit into ROM

Oh really how did it get it there then? Someone just shit it out with information on it God put there? What you are trying to shit out of your empty head is that you can't "re-save" to it (overwrite it) you elementary school moron, because the data is permanently stored on it and it doesn't lose the data with power loss (magentic loss zeroing the grid) hence why I asked him to begin with. RAM loses the data with no power, ROM does not which directly relates to the question he is asking from a mechanics standpoint you absolute tool.

Can the people on this board get any stupider? Every time I think they can't someone like you surprises me with some shit for brains idiocy like this. Never post on this board again, don't even lurk here.

>>11228304
>Then you got born

>>11235664
Shut the hell up you inbred bacteria

>>11227348
Nothing comes from nothing and so nothing can just become nothing

>>11226546
open individualism

>>11226546

we still don't really understand what consciousness is. I reccomend reading up on Donald Hoffman about possible answers

information in itself though, if defined as non random entropy, is rather well understood. the thing about information is, that it doesn't really exist. it's only an arrangement of things that than gets interpreted as information. you can think about it like a book. the book exists. it consists out of paper with ink on it in specific patterns, but the meaning of the words the book contains is not part of the book itself

all information is like that, even your memories

it doesn't "got" anywhere when its medium desintigrates, because it's not part of its medium to begin with

>>11238061
*go (not got)

>>11228304
fukkkkk I hate suicide now

>>11228304
nice chain of metaphysical assumptions without any basis for plausibility

>>11233135
>>11233169
>muh love
gheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey

When you die, the wrapped electromagnetic fields that encompass your consciousness explode outwards at the speed of light like that in a solar flare.
As of the inverse square law, as it spreads further and further out, you lose a cohesive consciousness due to the limits of physics itself.

BUT, there's something 8 minutes away. Something big. Something very electromagnetically active - The Sun.
As soon as you start to get closer and closer, you get pulled in more and more.
More of your consciousness ends up twisted inside of billions of other warped fields.
Congrats, you are Sol now. Along with every other consciously sentient lifeform that has or other will exist around this star.

There is evidence for this in near-death experiences.
In every single case, people point to a bright light in the sky, above the horizon, or a dark, fiery red ball below the horizon.
In every single case, the ones that mentioned bright lights died during the day, and the oens that mentioned hell died at night.
People that were dead for more than 8 minutes and who come back say they felt like they lost something, like a part of them remained "in the afterlife", that coming back felt wrong. (even the "hell" NDEs)
There's no sin to it, it's entirely physics.
Anyone want me to give a message to Hitler when I die?

>>11238061
if you have to understand these basic principals of thought to someone, its best to just abstain and let them think for themselves if they ever decide to.

>>11235419
Some of the data may be stored off-site in a computer's case. But I know you're trolling. Have a good day

>>11228852
They arent self aware. But they are conscious.

Consciousness directly correlates with intelligence

On a slightly related note, how do I deal with death anxiety? Ever since I had a panic attack about it around a month ago I've been constantly battling to keep it out of my mind. I end up going to bed with my stomach in knots everyday because I can't stop thinking about it. The void is terrifying. Plez halp.

It's stored and transferred via magnetic fields.

>want to believe you die forever and all is chill
>gut believes you are assigned to a bundle of qualia endlessly

How to cope with karmaless buddhism?

>>11239054
bump for therapy.

>>11239054
Super bump

>>11239054
Put a bullet through your head

>>11239054
Microdosing.

>>11235666
I second your statement, without the viewpoint of scientific skepticism, none of our arguments have any hope of being closer to validity.
But consider this, if reality is infinite, if reality is a system in which infinity exists in any part thereof, then by simple logic, you as an entity that experiences, a conscious being, exist in this form and in an infinite variation of forms infinitely.
In a sense, you would be everything, and everything would be you, in every concievable way, always. (Quite similar to Spinozism or the belief system Einstein conceived of for him self, that God is both the garden and the gardener).
This all rests on the assumption that reality is infinite, but think about it, wouldn't it be weird if all of existence was finite? What would that which doesn't exist be? What is nothing really?

This argument could also hold for the simulation hypothesis, which I'm not going to elaborate on.
This conception of infinity was written up properly for the first time by the mathematician Emile Borel, commonly known as the infinite monkey theorem.

Hail the Beast, for his name is the number 666.

>>11227079

who wrote this post?

>>11241554
A philosofag.

>>11239054
Sign up for cryonics and donate to the SENS Research Foundation